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    the 2010 VooDoo Soukri

    Here's a snippet from VooDoo's official announcement:

    "The frame is a Reynolds 631 steel hardtail 29er designed for a 100-125mm travel fork. It will also fit any 490-510MM long rigid fork. Other features are: cable guides routed under top tube, VooDoo adjustable sliding dropouts, and a new down tube gusset. "

    It will replace the Dambala in the VooDoo lineup. Color scheme looks interesting with the bone white frame with red panels, and human spine graphics.

    Geo numbers match up with the Dambala, so ride quality should be the same.

    Soukri means Sacred Temple, by the way.
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    Looks nice. I don't think there are a lot of 490mm rigid forks around now that Niner has gone to 470. Maybe Singular - theirs is long but I don't know AtoC.

    FWIW - I had a Niner 490mm fork and it was nice.
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    Soul Cycle makes a 485 A-C. There seems to be more 100mm hardtail frames coming to market, so we might be seeing more 100mm corrected rigid forks.

    FWIW I always thought the Niner 490mm fork had a exceptional ride quality also.
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    Yep, the Singular fork is a 490, but I don't have any to sell. Sam may though.
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    here's the geometry:
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    So......let me get this straight: They are going for a longer travel hardtail (100-125mm travel fork) and 72 degree head angles?

    Seems that something meant for such a long fork would be better off with a 70-71 degree head angle, given that running a 120mm fork would indicate more severe terrain type use.

    Maybe I'm missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    So......let me get this straight: They are going for a longer travel hardtail (100-125mm travel fork) and 72 degree head angles?

    Seems that something meant for such a long fork would be better off with a 70-71 degree head angle, given that running a 120mm fork would indicate more severe terrain type use.

    Maybe I'm missing something?
    The thing you are missing is variety. Why should every bike have the same geometry? Just cause it can take a 100 to 120 fork doesn't mean that every bike in that range is going to be doing severe terrain all the time. What goes down must go up. Some people like slack head tubes and some like steeper ones.
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    The thing you are missing is variety. Why should every bike have the same geometry? Just cause it can take a 100 to 120 fork doesn't mean that every bike in that range is going to be doing severe terrain all the time. What goes down must go up. Some people like slack head tubes and some like steeper ones.
    I think you are missing something too. The issue with a steep head angle on a longer travel frame is about more than just preference for slackness. Even if you aren't bombing down rough trails, wouldn't you tune the fork to use most of the travel? When a fork is at the bottom of its travel the head angle is steepened, making the steering twitchier at what really could be the worst time. With a longer travel fork the head angle can really steepen, so head angles are usually slacked out appropriately to compensate and keep the bike from being squirrely on impacts. It looks like this bike would have almost a 75deg head angle at full travel on the XL, but I'm just guessing. Also, 20% sag on a longer fork will sit lower in the travel, so you are already steeping the HA more right from the start.

    There's no reason anyone can't voice their criticisms. I have no problem with them making a bike like that even if I wouldn't want it. I think this bike could be really cool, but the HA jumped out at me too when I saw that post

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    Maybe the new breed of offset forks will have something to do with it?

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    I like how Voodoo has lots of sizes in the core of the market: 16", 17", 18", and 19". Most makers are just every two inches.

    This doesn't really help me, as I would ride the 21", but it's still a nice move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    So......let me get this straight: They are going for a longer travel hardtail (100-125mm travel fork) and 72 degree head angles?

    Seems that something meant for such a long fork would be better off with a 70-71 degree head angle, given that running a 120mm fork would indicate more severe terrain type use.

    Maybe I'm missing something?
    Perhaps 72 degree HT is for 100 mm fork travel. If you put a 125 mm fork you've got less than 71 degree (betwen 70 and 71).

    So Voodoo geometry is in the place and you too

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    I think you are missing something too. The issue with a steep head angle on a longer travel frame is about more than just preference for slackness. Even if you aren't bombing down rough trails, wouldn't you tune the fork to use most of the travel? When a fork is at the bottom of its travel the head angle is steepened, making the steering twitchier at what really could be the worst time. With a longer travel fork the head angle can really steepen, so head angles are usually slacked out appropriately to compensate and keep the bike from being squirrely on impacts. It looks like this bike would have almost a 75deg head angle at full travel on the XL, but I'm just guessing. Also, 20% sag on a longer fork will sit lower in the travel, so you are already steeping the HA more right from the start.

    There's no reason anyone can't voice their criticisms. I have no problem with them making a bike like that even if I wouldn't want it. I think this bike could be really cool, but the HA jumped out at me too when I saw that post
    hey guys. we are talking about just 20mm more travel. to my knowledge the angles are measured with 15% or 20% sag included.

    also, i like it how voodoo is using different angle based on frame size - 71-72.5 degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbow
    Perhaps 72 degree HT is for 100 mm fork travel. If you put a 125 mm fork you've got less than 71 degree (betwen 70 and 71).

    So Voodoo geometry is in the place and you too
    Agu said the geo numbers are the same as for the dambala, so this is indeed correct (As the dambala's #'s are for a 100mm fork.)

    This is neat! It looks pretty similar to the dambala frame, I wonder how the DT gusset is different.

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    Here's the Dambala geo vis a vis the Soukri's:


    My guess is there has been a subtle redesign somewhere, probably at the gusset as Bobbotron suggests (to handle the 120mm fork).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook
    hey guys. we are talking about just 20mm more travel. to my knowledge the angles are measured with 15% or 20% sag included.

    also, i like it how voodoo is using different angle based on frame size - 71-72.5 degrees.
    geometry numbers are almost always without sag, and if they are with sag they really should state that.

    I didn't realized these numbers are the same as the Dambala. Still seems too steep to me, but I guess it works for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook
    also, i like it how voodoo is using different angle based on frame size - 71-72.5 degrees.
    They've retained the same size-specific tubing diameters as the Dambala too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    They've retained the same size-specific tubing diameters as the Dambala too.

    yikes..same diameter down tube but adjusted for a 100-120 fork? yikes.....
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    I have a Dambala. I have run it rigid, and with a Reba at both 80MM and 100mm. It is a great handling bike in all 3 configurations. I think there is a lot of e-hand wringing going on for no big reason.
    My only complaint with the Dambala is foot strike. But I have a narrow crank and a 2.55 WTB tire up front.
    My brain went from "you probably shouldn't say that" to WTF!

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    Well, let's say for the sake of argument that VooDoo is basing this off of a 100mm travel fork. Fair enough. I will also assume, (because I haven't seen numbers to the contrary) that the Dambala hasn't changed in geometry since it was introduced. (Maybe somebody could ferret that out)

    Assuming the above is true, one thing that has changed is fork offsets. 44-46mm is the rule anymore these days. If this new model runs a 72 degree head angle unsagged, and I get on it with proper sag set, I now have a steeper than 72 degree head angle rig. Being that suspension is dynamic, what boomn posted earlier certainly comes into play- That being that at the most critical moment- let's say going into a downhill pitch switchback, you will attain your steepest head angle and least amont of trail.

    Now- I am not saying it won't be someones cup of tea. I am not saying it will be unrideable. What I am saying is that it doesn't seem too much like a rig a lot of people on these boards are gravitating towards. It just seems a bit odd at this point in time.

    That's all I am saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    I have a Dambala. I have run it rigid, and with a Reba at both 80MM and 100mm. It is a great handling bike in all 3 configurations. I think there is a lot of e-hand wringing going on for no big reason.
    My only complaint with the Dambala is foot strike. But I have a narrow crank and a 2.55 WTB tire up front.
    Yeah, for sure. I mean, it was built for a 100mm fork now, adding another 20mm onto that isn't wild and crazy. They probably just made it a little stronger in the HT for good measure.

    Yeah, I like my dambala a lot too, fun bike!

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    Interesting discussion here. I agree that suspension is dynamic, and so is rider position, weight bias and of course the terrain we ride in,

    Now seeing that the numbers are the same as a dambala, the soukri should ride and handle the same.

    We've sold quite a lot of dambalas and every rider has nothing but positive things to say about it.

    Rest assured once we get our hands on a soukri we'll be giving it a proper review. In 100 and 120mm configurations :-)

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    With numbers :

    - 125 mm unsagged, it's a little bit less than 71 degrees.
    - 125 mm sagged with 20% (100 mm unsagged), it's a little bit less than 72 degrees.

    Perhaps it's not a great, great conditions for stability at very high speed but handling will be great on technical sections.

    I think, it's a compromise like all Voodoo's geometry. No ?

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    I have a white brother BW 1.0 (100mm) fork on my Dambala. It has a 43mm offset - the steering is extremely similar to the voodoo zombie rigid fork I used to have on it, which has a 38mm offset. I can imagine that a 120mm fork would slack out the bike a little bit, but not change things that much...

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    Is the 490 a safety limit, or a handling matter?

    I had an 07 Damabala and ran it originally with a 463mm Surly rigid fork. Loved the handling, though slighly twitchy. I swapped out to a 100mm Reba, and liked it even better. If I rigged the Soukri as rigid (current on-hand option is a 470mm Kona P2 fork), then I assume if Soukri numbers match Dambala's, then my experience will mimic the Dambala/Surly fork combo I had. Is this a safe assumption? or is the 490 "limit" a safety issue or similar matter? I would think not as shorter forks don't exert as much stress on the HT as longer ones. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye
    I had an 07 Damabala and ran it originally with a 463mm Surly rigid fork. Loved the handling, though slighly twitchy. I swapped out to a 100mm Reba, and liked it even better. If I rigged the Soukri as rigid (current on-hand option is a 470mm Kona P2 fork), then I assume if Soukri numbers match Dambala's, then my experience will mimic the Dambala/Surly fork combo I had. Is this a safe assumption? or is the 490 "limit" a safety issue or similar matter? I would think not as shorter forks don't exert as much stress on the HT as longer ones. What do you think?
    I think a 490mm makes sense, because that's what the frame's geometry was designed around. Using a shorter fork will steepen the head angle (and trail) and lower the bottom bracket (making your cranks lower to the ground.)

    The frame works really well with the voodoo zombie rigid fork, which has the right A-to-C for the frame, and a good rake for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    Interesting discussion here. I agree that suspension is dynamic, and so is rider position, weight bias and of course the terrain we ride in,

    Now seeing that the numbers are the same as a dambala, the soukri should ride and handle the same.

    We've sold quite a lot of dambalas and every rider has nothing but positive things to say about it.

    Rest assured once we get our hands on a soukri we'll be giving it a proper review. In 100 and 120mm configurations :-)
    Who do I have to talk to to do a review of a 120mm soukri in Canada?

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    Looks very interesting!

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    Zombie is 470

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbotron
    I think a 490mm makes sense, because that's what the frame's geometry was designed around. Using a shorter fork will steepen the head angle (and trail) and lower the bottom bracket (making your cranks lower to the ground.)

    The frame works really well with the voodoo zombie rigid fork, which has the right A-to-C for the frame, and a good rake for it.
    However, the Zombie is 470mm A2C, no?
    http://www.spadout.com/p/voodoo-zombie-rigid-fork/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye
    However, the Zombie is 470mm A2C, no?
    http://www.spadout.com/p/voodoo-zombie-rigid-fork/
    Yep, which is weird since the geometry numbers they post are for a 505mm fork and they say it is optimized for 100mm travel. So if you use their rigid fork with the bike then the head angle is bordering on 74*

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    You could pair it with a Soul Cycles Dillinger fork, which is 485mm A to C.

    http://blog.ridesoul.com/?p=179

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    Pic is up - looks nice.

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    What's old is new again (but with different paint and name)?

    Looks like a Dambala with white paint and a red panel. The geo chart a few posts pack indicates the same thing. There might even be Dambala's being ridden with 125mm forks right now! What really is different about this frame?

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    I don't think Dambala's have the sliding drops anymore for one thing.

    I think the Geometry table must be wrong. I'm hoping that it's closer to a 69-71 degree swing from 80mm-120mm travel. Seems like everything else they have is steeper than that.

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    Ok, I stand corrected. The head tube gusset is new for the longer travel fork and the cable routing is under the top tube. But that's it. It's a white Dambala! And this is great for those who like the Dambala/Zaka/Aizan geometry, me being one of them. Just would have liked to see something more unique and or different from Voodoo with the introduction of a "new" frame. Or even better, just call it the 2010 Dambala, now available in "Bone White". I think the Canzo went through more changes (geometry, cable routing, straight vs curved top tube, and yes, color), yet it's still called Canzo. Whatever, it's still a well priced, good handling steel frame. And yes, the Dambala had sliding drop outs too.

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    funny how the latest pics have the cable routing in on the bottom in the drawing but a pic i saw somewhere had it above now. i wonder what kinda decision goes into that? hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by frontierwolf
    I don't think Dambala's have the sliding drops anymore for one thing.
    My 07 did, Was pretty sure they all did ?

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    Maybe thinking about the Aizan. I thought one of them had sliders for a while and then they changed it to vertical drops. At least I thought I saw an Aizan with sliders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frontierwolf
    Maybe thinking about the Aizan. I thought one of them had sliders for a while and then they changed it to vertical drops. At least I thought I saw an Aizan with sliders.
    yep. the 2006 aizan's had sliders, then vert drops thenafter.

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    I once ran the numbers on Dambala's geometry. Wheelbase for the smallest size was greater than the 19" model if I recall correctly. If did inform them of this.
    Good luck finding a fork with 38mm, from the era VooDoo has its basic "steep" 29 geometry.
    I own 3 Voooo's, pre-29". Used to be a real fan. 3 years back I would recommend folks a medium VooDoo 29" if it fit, now...can't anymore. Don't see the logic anymore. They used to be great at that.

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    I have heard news of April production, so ONE MORE MONTH!!!!!!!!!

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    Anything new on this frame? Working with a bike store and this is one of the frames they had recommended I look at.

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    it appears that these are now available to order

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    Hmm, does BTI list them as available now? I also saw that Voodoo has finally started to update their website from 2009 to 2010. And something I have never heard of before, the Bokor 29 appears under the Soukri

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    I just ordered the last 18 inch today! Apparently they only made a limited number, and the next round is gonna be blue instead of white/red.

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    18 inch Voodoo Soukri. Left the fork at 80mm, and it feels really good so far. And yep, steel is smooth! Big thanks to Voodoo for putting this pic on their blog.
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    Any news on availability of this frame? Seems the 17 has a 23 tt but BTI or anyplace else does not have the 17 being available. Any reviews as far as ride quality? Also I am hearing this 490 for thing, would a 09 Fox F29 set at 100mm be appropriate for this frame?

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    Soukri 21" in the house!

    A few weeks ago, I rec'd my 21" from BTI. Gotta say, this frame is beautiful. The metallic pearl white is unreal.

    It's a dead-ringer, geometry-wise, for my old Dambala (R.I.P.). I know the Soukri's description calls for a 490mm + fork, but I had a sweet set up on the Dambala with my 470mm Surly fork, so I rigged it up as such, only this time went 1X9 instead of 2X9. Only marked difference I could tell is the 21" model's headtube is about 1/4" longer than that of my Dambala, and it has a beefy gusset on the down tube, and another at the top tube/seat tube junction. The Soukri handles great with the 470, so for those worried about having to run longer length forks, don't sweat it. This bike rocks, and kudos to BTI for staying on top of my order (I requested it in late 09) and to Voodoo for keeping the legacy of the Dambala alive!!
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    Looks awesome!
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    new frames soon and the color stays

    Hey everyone, thought I would chime in and let you know that all the Soukris will be whit with the red decals. Blur was our first choice but changed it before any were ever made. Also, BTI should be getting more in early July.

    Also, we are working on a rigid fork that is 500mm long A-C with long offset and hope to have it ready this Fall.

    I'm also putting a 120mm fork on mine soon so if anyone has questions about the ride with a long fork email me directly at [email protected].

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    Blue would have been too much like the El Mariachi I guess.

    Not a fan of the color scheme though. It would be nice if there were 2 options so you could have a choice.

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    I just ordered mine, and should get it next week.

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    Finally got her built up.
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    How do you like it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbotron
    How do you like it?
    Well so far with some light off-road XC and a lot of hardcore NYC city commuting I love it. My fork is about to break off but its from 2006 so its about time to get a new one.

    The dropouts are a bit tricky to get dialed down so to anyone getting the bike. Just rub the paint off right away and get yourself some locktite.

    I have it setup with 100mm travel and that seems like the perfect spot to me.

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    Right on! I have the dambala, the Soukri's predecessor, I really like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbotron
    Right on! I have the dambala, the Soukri's predecessor, I really like it.
    Thats the bike I was looking for

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    what site did you guys order from? thanks

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    Isn't one of the major differences between this and the Dambala the steel they're made from? Reynolds 631 vs Voodoo Black Magic CrMo.

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    I love my Soukri...

    No experience riding a Dambala but this is one fun bike to ride! Waiting for the brown Santa to deliver a set of Hope Tech X2 brakes today.
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    Interesting that some of the bikes pictured have the cable routing on top of the tube (like the Dambala) and others have it on the bottom. The headtube gusset doesn't look too different, maybe it's a little bigger or thicker material. I believe the 2009 Dambala was Reynolds 631 too. Maybe they just wanted to change names because some of the older Dambala's broke (near the headtube). The white/red looks a lot better than the Dambala green in my opinion. I just built up a used Dambala frame but have yet to get it out on the trail. I put on a 475mm AC rigid fork because I had one, I'll probably go to a 100mm reba or something in the future if I like the bike.

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    I was looking at the Soukri because I am interested in a hardtail 29er that I can run geared or single-speed.

    I love the ride and nostalgia of steel too.

    Thing is I can't determine what this frame is inteded to be use as. I am riding primarily fast rooty single track with out mainy technical sections or rocks or drops. I would also like a bike to race the Iceman next year, so speed and performance first versatility second.

    Does anyone know if this is the right bike for this purpose? I am thinking with a 100mm fork this should be a fairly responsive bike that is good going up and nice going down too but don't see alot of information on how this bike is being used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChief
    I was looking at the Soukri because I am interested in a hardtail 29er that I can run geared or single-speed.

    I love the ride and nostalgia of steel too.

    Thing is I can't determine what this frame is inteded to be use as. I am riding primarily fast rooty single track with out mainy technical sections or rocks or drops. I would also like a bike to race the Iceman next year, so speed and performance first versatility second.

    Does anyone know if this is the right bike for this purpose? I am thinking with a 100mm fork this should be a fairly responsive bike that is good going up and nice going down too but don't see alot of information on how this bike is being used?
    I initially built mine up as a single speed... At 47 I've decided that I can use a few extra gears on my ride so I'm now running a 1x9 setup (32t w/11-34 cassette). I run a 100mm fork up front as well.

    I think that with the right build you could easily put together a bike that is very fast and performs quite well. In terms of versatility I'd give the Soukri a big

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    ^^ I'm also running it as a 1X9 (33 X 11/34) but with a rigid front end (485 AC). I mainly ride in on modesty technical XC and it handles very responsively. This Soukri replaced a Dambala I had with a 100mm Reba fork on it, and seeing as the geometry of the Soukri and the Dambala are identical, I think with a 100mm fork you'd be great. When I had the Dambala, it was rigged as 2X9, and it was fine on technical XC, including up in NY's Adirondacks.

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    Yep, agreed to many of the above. I have a Dambala. Very versatile. Currently in 1x9 rigid but it's been SS, rigid, HT. Handles really well, feels great! That steel feel is wonderful and I've recently discovered that not all steel bikes have that feel. I'm no racer but I think you'd be able to do so. It's pretty capable on the technical stuff while maintaining stability with great turning and handling attributes. It just does well.

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    Here is my Voodoo and had a summer of hard riding on it! Love it!

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    This may be a dumb question but since the Soukri has a sliding dropout can the chainstay length be changed running it as a 1x9? Basically I was wondering if the chainstay could be less than the 17.9" the Voodoo website states.

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    Not sure what the limits are but I'm pretty sure it can be changed within those limits. On my Dambala, I just kicked the sliders all the way back to make room for the potential addition of a front derailuer. I haven't added the front drailuer nor have I test ridden it yet but it seems to work and shift fine on the stand.

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    I'm looking at the Voodoo Soukri and just trying to work out the sizing. I'm 172cm tall, anyone here the same and if so what frame size did you go for? Looking at the current specs and the stand over (747mm) I'd need the 14" which seems a bit small?

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    Anyone have a 17" Soukri? I'd like to ask you about your fit... a little worried about the stand over height.

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    If your an appropriate height to fit a 17in frame...

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    Anyone have a 17" Soukri? I'd like to ask you about your fit... a little worried about the stand over height.
    I would not worry about that at all. Voodoo's have radically sloping top tubes making stand over a non issue on a frame that fits. Even if you have short legs for your height.
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    anymore recent pix of peoples builds? im curious to see if the cable routing on the newer frames is along the bottom of the top tube.

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    Medium with quasi-custom decals
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    Hello All,

    Went with an Alfine 11 on mine. Love how it rides.

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    I have grown to love

    my Soukri. In ss rigid mode its my favorite production frame to date. Not sure why they are not more popular but I think the aggressive angles have something to do with it. That and the cs stay length which does not seem to negatively effect its quick and nimble handling in tight single track. Slack angles with short stays is whats popular now. Especially with those that ride steep, technical terrain, which makes sense. for classic xc and tight, twisty, woodsy single track this frame rocks .
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    Hoooolly cow, that is a NICE looking build, just awesome!

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    Hello All,

    Went with an Alfine 11 on mine. Love how it rides.


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    Hello All,

    Went with an Alfine 11 on mine. Love how it rides.

    a little about the Alfine?. How do you like it, does it shift quickly and smoothly, is it really heavy?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edouble View Post
    a little about the Alfine?. How do you like it, does it shift quickly and smoothly, is it really heavy?.
    It's different for sure. Heavy. Yes. When I olie, the rear end likes to stay put. Shifting is pretty smooth. Sometimes I get a delay when multiple shifts to a higher gear. But it is silent and wonderful. 32t front/20t rear. Could easily go 22/23t rear and still have enough range for all my needs. (Alfine 8 would have been adequate)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopbreakindown View Post
    Hello All,

    Went with an Alfine 11 on mine. Love how it rides.

    Just curious, what size frame is this?

    Nice looking builds here

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    Quote Originally Posted by jten9 View Post
    Just curious, what size frame is this?

    Nice looking builds here
    It's a 19" with 120mm fox.(2 bottle cage bosses) Looking for a red race face single chainring for the front and some maxis ardent/schwalbe nobly nic tire combo.

    Thanks for the thumbsup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopbreakindown View Post
    It's a 19" with 120mm fox.(2 bottle cage bosses) Looking for a red race face single chainring for the front and some maxis ardent/schwalbe nobly nic tire combo.

    Thanks for the thumbsup!
    How does it ride with 120mm up front?. I running a sus corrected (80mm) Wiley rigid fork and love how it handles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cycljunkie View Post
    No experience riding a Dambala but this is one fun bike to ride! Waiting for the brown Santa to deliver a set of Hope Tech X2 brakes today.
    Looks Hella fast standing still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopbreakindown View Post
    It's a 19" with 120mm fox.(2 bottle cage bosses) Looking for a red race face single chainring for the front and some maxis ardent/schwalbe nobly nic tire combo.

    Thanks for the thumbsup!
    Thanks for the reply... I'm trying to find pics of a 16" and 17" built up, just to satisfy my curiosity.

    Curious because I just ordered up a 17&ldquo; as I like the 23" tt. All my bikes have around 23&ldquo; tt, which generally equates to a 16&ldquo; frame for many brands. The Soukri, however, has a 22.25&ldquo; tt in the 16&ldquo; size, so i went with the 17.

    I'm only doubting my size choice because the listed standover of these frames are very tall... I'm 5'7" with around 31.5&ldquo; inseam. So I'm hoping standover is not an issue.

    I also basically always fit every manufacturer's small size 29er; it feels strange that there are TWO smaller Soukri's that I could have chosen from.......

    Another minor reason I like the 16 is it has a smaller diameter tt, so it may be a bit more forgiving. It also has a shorter head tube, so it would be easier to keep the bars low.

    Anyone have any comments on the standover, and whether its an issue? I'd rather have the 23" tt, but alternatively I suppose I could get one size down (22.25" tt) and put a long stem on?

    Thanks all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jten9 View Post
    Thanks for the reply... I'm trying to find pics of a 16" and 17" built up, just to satisfy my curiosity.

    Curious because I just ordered up a 17&ldquo; as I like the 23" tt. All my bikes have around 23&ldquo; tt, which generally equates to a 16&ldquo; frame for many brands. The Soukri, however, has a 22.25&ldquo; tt in the 16&ldquo; size, so i went with the 17.

    I'm only doubting my size choice because the listed standover of these frames are very tall... I'm 5'7" with around 31.5&ldquo; inseam. So I'm hoping standover is not an issue.

    I also basically always fit every manufacturer's small size 29er; it feels strange that there are TWO smaller Soukri's that I could have chosen from.......

    Another minor reason I like the 16 is it has a smaller diameter tt, so it may be a bit more forgiving. It also has a shorter head tube, so it would be easier to keep the bars low.

    Anyone have any comments on the standover, and whether its an issue? I'd rather have the 23" tt, but alternatively I suppose I could get one size down (22.25" tt) and put a long stem on?

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    Tend to have radically sloping tt's so standover on an appropriately sized frame is not going to be an issue. Having owned 4 Voodoo's I know that the clearance is always more than the numbers imply.
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    Thanks edouble. It seems to me that the Soukri seems to have shorter tt's per listed size than other manufacturers... thus I went with a size bigger to get the tt I wanted. Not sure if the steep head angle has anything to do with this?

    Anyway, the soukri is offered in a much greater size range than others (14-16-17-18 etc) so I suppose choice is a good thing!

    I couldn't sit on a complete bike, so I'm obsessing a bit about the size I ordered. Guess I'll just have to wait to build it up (can't wait) and take it for a spin :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jten9 View Post
    Thanks edouble. It seems to me that the Soukri seems to have shorter tt's per listed size than other manufacturers... thus I went with a size bigger to get the tt I wanted. Not sure if the steep head angle has anything to do with this?

    Anyway, the soukri is offered in a much greater size range than others (14-16-17-18 etc) so I suppose choice is a good thing!

    I couldn't sit on a complete bike, so I'm obsessing a bit about the size I ordered. Guess I'll just have to wait to build it up (can't wait) and take it for a spin :-)

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    Your welcome!. I am pretty confident you will be fine. On my 19in frame the top tube meets the seat tube 3 inches below the top of the seat tube. I personally love this design because its my belief that all things being equal, smaller triangles make for a stiffer, more responsive handling bike. I have had bikes with high standover and big triangles and they always seem too feel too flexy with delayed pedal responses to me. Of course thats my opinion, no science to back this up, lol. I weigh 245-260 lbs depending on time of year and activity level so that plays a part too.
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    Thought I'd update... thanks for the advice here, I finished up my Soukri recently, fits like a glove! Rides nice too.

    I just posted a pic in the "post your ss" thread :-)

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    Edit to include initial thoughts:

    I finished the budget minded build a few weeks ago, and will replace/upgrade parts when they break. Due to wet weather, I only have two rides on it so far for a total of about 30 miles on nice but mellow singletrack.

    I built it rigid with the Zombie 500 (500 mm a-c) fork. Fit and finish on the frame is good; paint looks good, and I had no need to face or chase anything. That said, I am using a square taper bb (found a NOS Shimano un72 bb) so the bb shell doesn't have to be perfectly square, like if I were running external bearings.

    I was a bit worried about the high listed standover height, but I size my bikes according to ETT length and stack/reach measurements. At 5'7" with a 31.5" cycling inseam, I went with the 17" frame and am glad to report that I made the correct choice, as the short TT on the 16" would have been too cramped.

    Handling is very quick and precise, as I expected with a 72 degree head angle. The chainstay length feels very good to me; I have it set only a few mm from full forward with 32x20 gearing. I was tempted to get a slack, short stay frame for this build, but am glad I didn't. My 26" hardtail is slack with long-ish travel, so the two bikes compliment each other nicely.

    The only problem I encountered is with the high front end due to the tall 500mm a-c fork. After setting my saddle position (I go old-school KOPS) I had to use a -17 degree stem and flat bar to get my hands low enough (for xc I run the top of my bars even with the top of my saddle, measured with a level). This setup fits me perfectly, but makes me wonder if the tall front end would make fitment difficult for anyone shorter than me?

    Anyway, this is not a real in-depth review, just my initial thoughts with the limited mileage I've put on it so far.

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    Darnit! Duplicate post.

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    Nice ride jten9

    I like!. Hows the ride of the Voodoo fork?. I love a nimble bike in the woods which is where the majority of my riding takes place. For my riding slack is wack!, lol. Here is my Soukri.
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    That's a great pic! The bike ain't shabby either ;-)

    The fork is actually pretty nice, definitely more compliant than the Surly fork I had on another bike. I think the compliance is due to the long length, because it is really beefy (weighs 3lbs 7oz with uncut steerer!!). My first impression bouncing around a parking lot, was that it was going to be too noodly, but on the trail it feels good... and there's no stutter or vibration under hard braking forces. I was planning on looking for something lighter, but the ride is nice enough I decided to keep it.

    As a bonus, there are pics on the Voodoo blog of a Larry (fat tire) mounted on an Alex dm24 rim, which all fits in the Zombie 500. I hope to try that sooner than later :-)

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    Fork sounds great if a little heavier than I expected. Ride quality before weight I always say .
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