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    120/120段sh 29er options with threaded BB

    Looking for a plush riding 120段sh bike with a threaded BB. Budget 3500-4000.

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    -gg trail pistol
    -sj st

    Any other options?

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    Totally spaced on Norco. Good call.

    Fezarris pretty good?

    Im partial to split pivot designs. I sit and grind out long miles, so looking at good small bump compliance

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    Ibis Ripley in NX. $4099
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    Salsa Horsetheif and Salsa Spearfish

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    I love, love, love my Trail Pistol (aluminum version) and the company is second to none, but I don't know that I would describe it as 'plush.' Much more of a go fast, cover all the miles kinda bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Salsa Horsetheif and Salsa Spearfish

    Both superboost, both have 2 bottles inside the front triangle
    Some good options in the thread, and I do love Salsa but 4200 for an NX build is hard to swallow. And heavy段sh for the price. For that coin i want gx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padrefan1982 View Post
    I love, love, love my Trail Pistol (aluminum version) and the company is second to none, but I don't know that I would describe it as 'plush.' Much more of a go fast, cover all the miles kinda bike.
    I feel like id read that before as well. Does seem like a great product though.

    Also read the VPPs ride similar harsh and fast until the rougher stuff brings out the travel.

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    Knolly Fugitive in 120mm travel mode. You can then purchase a 135mm travel shock if you ever want more travel for bigger days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    Evil Following MB.
    The Following looks soooooo good, but unfortunately way out of OPs target price.

    I知 Looking for a replacement for my 2015 fuel EX 8 29, the two leading candidates for me are:

    Fezzari Signal Peak - $4k with GX Eagle and good spec

    Canyon Neuron CF 8.0 - $3500 with GX Eagle and Great overall spec - only drawback here is Canyon-style low bb


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    Devinci Django 29 is right up your alley.
    Albeit 130mm fork, but its DW and punches way above its weight.

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    I'm looking in the same boat right now and between a Smuggler and the SB100. Both seem to straddle opposite sides of this category.

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    Flame suit on, but IMO, if you're limiting your choices based on inclusion of a threaded BB, you're buying into a bunch of internet nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Flame suit on, but IMO, if you're limiting your choices based on inclusion of a threaded BB, you're buying into a bunch of internet nonsense.
    Hey kosmo, please say a little more to help allay our press fit fears. I'm a threaded BB loyalist but admit I've never owned a press fit BB bike. My only experiences with them are (1) numerous online complaints from PF owners at their wits end and (2) a YT demo at MBO a couple years ago (my buddy's demo) where the bike sounded like an old wooden bed on wedding night. It was the noisiest thing I ever heard.

    You say PF BBs really aren't so bad? Please share your experience. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerfisher11 View Post
    Devinci Django 29 is right up your alley.
    Albeit 130mm fork, but its DW and punches way above its weight.
    Forgot about devinci being a split pivot. Found a django carbon on sale doen the street. Good add.

    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Flame suit on, but IMO, if you're limiting your choices based on inclusion of a threaded BB, you're buying into a bunch of internet nonsense.
    No flame, but your assumption that im buying into internet nonsense is probably a little off. I have a specofic set of criteria im interested in meeting. Bikes are expensive. We should buy what we want. I do all my own work, and id prefer a threaded bb. So this query is aimed at gettig options laid out. If i cant fond what im looking for, then ill adjist.

    Great suggestions so far. Django and smuggler seem like real options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Hey kosmo, please say a little more to help allay our press fit fears. I'm a threaded BB loyalist but admit I've never owned a press fit BB bike. My only experiences with them are (1) numerous online complaints from PF owners at their wits end and (2) a YT demo at MBO a couple years ago (my buddy's demo) where the bike sounded like an old wooden bed on wedding night. It was the noisiest thing I ever heard.

    You say PF BBs really aren't so bad? Please share your experience. Thanks!
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    Over the years, I've probably had 3 or 4 threaded BB cups goe wonky. Easier to remedy, for sure, but my luck with PF is such that I don't give a rip one way or the other.

    And some of you know how much I ride.....
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    Also the Diamondback Release 29 https://www.diamondback.com/release293
    It's 130 rear/140 front
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    One 2015 Fuel EX: Perfect luck.
    One 2016 FEX: Same.
    One 2018 FEX: Sane.
    One 2014(?) Remedy 29: One cup in four seasons, but I just replaced both.
    One 2018 Slash: Perfect luck, but early days, for sure!
    One ProCaliber: Perfect luck, but does not see a lot of "real" mtb (awesome gravel bike!)

    Over the years, I've probably had 3 or 4 threaded BB cups goe wonky. Easier to remedy, for sure, but my luck with PF is such that I don't give a rip one way or the other.

    And some of you know how much I ride.....
    Indeed I do know how much you ride -- mad respect. And a key reason I value your opinion. To clarify, my concern isn't actually BB longevity but rather creaking. I expect PF BB bearing longevity is no different than threaded BB bearing longevity. Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Hey kosmo, please say a little more to help allay our press fit fears. I'm a threaded BB loyalist but admit I've never owned a press fit BB bike. My only experiences with them are (1) numerous online complaints from PF owners at their wits end and (2) a YT demo at MBO a couple years ago (my buddy's demo) where the bike sounded like an old wooden bed on wedding night. It was the noisiest thing I ever heard.

    You say PF BBs really aren't so bad? Please share your experience. Thanks!
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    It's not "internet nonsense" but some people blow their pressfit fears/problems out of proportion.

    To be fair, some bikes with pressfit bb's are poor implementations. Those will be more problematic, for sure. Mine hasn't been bad, aside from one raceface bb whose bearings turned crunchy in under 500mi. But that's not the fault of the pressfit interface. That's raceface making crappy bb's. Keep in mind, I wouldn't make too many component decisions off of a rental or demo bike. Some of those can be pretty clapped out and insufficiently maintained. Plus, for efficiency's sake, they often just get hosed down at the end of the day, which will do a number on the bearings.

    My bike with a PF bb doesn't see the best of conditions, either. It's a fatbike that gets ridden year round, including in snow and slush (admittedly rarer in the southeast than it was in the midwest). In Pisgah, every bike gets splashed through big stream crossings at some point. Some places are always muddy. If you ride in Dupont, you get lots of gritty decomposed granite grinding away at moving parts. Some other places get the southern red clay that turns to concrete when it dries. I'm still getting about 2,000mi on the Enduro bb's I've been using. It may still be less than a comparable bsa bb might get in the same conditions. But it's also a far cry more miles than the bb fearmongers say. And, fwiw, my bb has never creaked. Oh, I get creaks, but whenever I've gone chasing them down, they've been from something else. Worn out pedal bushings, dirty seatpost clamp, worn out saddle, that sort of stuff.

    But, it's kindof a pain when you work on your own bikes, and you now need to get your hands on both a bearing extractor of some sort as well as a press. You do also want to minimize how often you do that job, since you can wear out the bb shell. I know a guy who did that. Not something most riders will wind up doing, since they're not likely to put as many miles on a bike over as many years as my friend did, but I'm not a fan of needing to toss a frame just because I wore out a lot of bottom brackets from putting down many miles, whether it happens in 5yrs or 50. It's a potential concern for my pressfit bike eventually, unfortunately, so I've sought out the most durable bb option for it I could find.

    Bike I'm building now is a return to threaded bb's. It wasn't exactly a make-or-break priority for me, but I'm not sad about it. It's a known entity. It's a reliable interface. I still needed to buy a new tool for it (it seems there are a handful of tools depending on the brand of bb), but at least the same tool installs and removes the bb. And it cost significantly less. I consider bb interface something I'm willing to negotiate on if the bike has everything else I want, but I lean towards bsa if all else is equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    To clarify, my concern isn't actually BB longevity but rather creaking.=sParty
    Whether or not it creaks comes down to how good the manufacturer is at producing the bb shell at exact tolerances. Some are great, some are bad... just like anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    It's a potential concern for my pressfit bike eventually, unfortunately, so I've sought out the most durable bb option for it I could find.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts & experience, Harold.

    Why did many frame manufacturers move to PF BBs in the first place? Cost saving measure? Carbon construction technique? Seems to me that if a threaded shell works optimally, then finding a less robust, less trustworthy alternative is moving in the wrong direction, regardless if it's "almost as good" or "just as good most of the time."
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    It's better to ask which you shouldn't get. The list is way shorter.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    It's better to ask which you shouldn't get. The list is way shorter.
    Any suggestions?

    After looking at a lot of these, 4k for an NX build is pretty common. Crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts & experience, Harold.

    Why did many frame manufacturers move to PF BBs in the first place? Cost saving measure? Carbon construction technique? Seems to me that if a threaded shell works optimally, then finding a less robust, less trustworthy alternative is moving in the wrong direction, regardless if it's "almost as good" or "just as good most of the time."
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    I think a lot of the reasons are kinda subtle and depend on which pf interface.

    Some of them have pretty large diameters, and also considering that the width is, at minimum, more or less the same as a threaded shell PLUS the cups, it gives the frame builder and designer more space to attach the frame tubes to the bb, resulting in a stiffer bb construction. For mtb construction, I think it allows for slightly shorter chainstays and wider tires for larger diameter wheels due to the ability to attach the chainstays in wider positions. The bearings are also supported directly by the frame (for inboard systems), and that allows for a stronger bb interface. It's not what I'd call common, but I've heard about threaded bb cups actually breaking under especially hard, aggressive riding. Compare a Saint threaded bb to an XT one. The threaded portion is longer on the Saint for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I think a lot of the reasons are kinda subtle and depend on which pf interface.

    Some of them have pretty large diameters, and also considering that the width is, at minimum, more or less the same as a threaded shell PLUS the cups, it gives the frame builder and designer more space to attach the frame tubes to the bb, resulting in a stiffer bb construction. For mtb construction, I think it allows for slightly shorter chainstays and wider tires for larger diameter wheels due to the ability to attach the chainstays in wider positions. The bearings are also supported directly by the frame (for inboard systems), and that allows for a stronger bb interface. It's not what I'd call common, but I've heard about threaded bb cups actually breaking under especially hard, aggressive riding. Compare a Saint threaded bb to an XT one. The threaded portion is longer on the Saint for that reason.
    That actually makes a lot of sense.

    Threaded BB shells are definitely narrower than say, a BB90. I personally have had no issues with press fit BBs. I've owned multiple bikes with them and zero issues or creaking and the bearings are still running like new. I also have threaded BB bikes and have had no issues with them. I will admit that threaded BBs are much easier to work on since I don't need a bearing press/extractor.

    I thought I'd prefer threaded over press fit, but it honestly doesn't matter to me anymore. I'm not constantly changing BBs to 'NEED' threaded. And BB quality nowadays is pretty great. I have a SRAM GXP PF92 and it's been smoothly running for the past 2 years and over 2 thousand miles of varied terrain and weather. Not to mention countless full blown pressure washing. If or when it fails, I'll just get a new one installed and ride it until it fails.
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    Django 29 owner here... great bike, you'd love it if you like split pivot, but it is a PF bb. It might not be the first bike I'd choose for grinding out long miles, but it climbs well and is as much fun going down as any 120 bike I've ridden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlipperyToad View Post
    Django 29 owner here... great bike, you'd love it if you like split pivot, but it is a PF bb. It might not be the first bike I'd choose for grinding out long miles, but it climbs well and is as much fun going down as any 120 bike I've ridden.
    Thanks for the perspective. I am lookon for a plush pedaler... or close to it. I know its a stretch... but i would imagine a spark 120/120 meets the need minus the pf bb.

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    The Django pedals pretty well, but it's carrying an extra pound in the frame when compared to many of the other carbon bikes in the category. It's weight well spent in my book... there's no noticeable flex in the frame for me, and it feels significantly burlier than some of my buddies' bikes that are in the 130-140 travel range. If you have a Devinci dealer close by, I'd definitely try to throw a leg over one.

    The latest iteration of the Spark is an interesting bike for me... they have always pedaled pretty well, and the new geometry looks like it could be lots of fun on the way down. I'm not a huge fan of extra stuff on the handlebar, though. I wish they made something that didn't include their twin-lock system.

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    Plush is nice, but plush is not efficient, just something to think about.

    The more suspension you have the great the potential for plushness.

    You might also look at seat height, seat type, padded shorts, even shoe/pedal interface to soften things up. Even a different reach and cockpit set up can change how a bike feels.

    The PF BB thing is not a big deal, had a few, prefer threaded, but it's not a game ender. There is a side of the issue that I don't often see discussed: How is the aluminum threaded BB integrated into a carbon molded frame and is that a good thing?

    So don't ya all get tired of talking about the same things, having the same disagreements?

    It must be the season, not enough riding, too much cubicle time.

    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Thanks for the perspective. I am lookon for a plush pedaler... or close to it. I know its a stretch... but i would imagine a spark 120/120 meets the need minus the pf bb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Plush is nice, but plush is not efficient, just something to think about.

    The more suspension you have the great the potential for plushness.

    You might also look at seat height, seat type, padded shorts, even shoe/pedal interface to soften things up. Even a different reach and cockpit set up can change how a bike feels.
    Agreed , but some platforms 奏ip in smoother than others and some wallow, and others rely on lockouts and brains.

    As far as fit and cockpit... im dialed there. Race marathon and endurance events, novice of course.

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    Niner Jet 9 RDO
    Plush ride with very little pedal feedback/kickback for 120mm travel bike. Not a snappy pedaler but still pedals fairly good for such a smooth ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    It must be the season, not enough riding, too much cubicle time.
    Truth... wondering if this winter will ever end.

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    Do I, too, prefer threaded BBs? I do.

    Having said that, I've owned at least 6 or 7 bikes with PF BBs and I haven't had a single problem. No worn bearings, no squeaks, no issue. I do live in Phoenix, so my bikes stay dry year-round, so that may have some bearing.

    I recently picked up the new Giant Trance. Fits your criteria, minus the PF BB. Not super-snappy pedaling (in fact, less snappy than my Ripmo), but dialed geo, pretty efficient overall and quite plush.
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    If you go the Santa Cruz route you might as well go Hightower as there is no weight, and in my opinion, climbing difference between it and the Tallboy. The allow Trance 29 2 is below your budget and using the extra cash on a new set of wheels would probably weigh the same or less then some other options press fit BB though. I think the new GG Trail Pistol is the most interesting since its built in the US and is price and weight competitive for a short travel trail 29'er. You didn't say where and what type of trails you ride though.

    There are different PF standards. What Trek did was for engineering. Giant saw it and changed it up for low manufacturing cost and that is what caught on. The original BB30 standard was probably the most expense to produce and that, even though it was lighter, kept many people from adopting it(along with pressure from Shimano). The soft plastic cups of the BB86 standard allow for lower tolerances of the frame and took away the requirement to face the BB surface. A home mechanic can normally work on them with just a small plastic rod to nock them out and a small board to put them back in along with a hammer. The hate a bunch of magazine crap though. It's normally next to a line about how the bikes 74.7 degree STA is a little slack, and the 760 bars too narrow for their taste.

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    To deal with press fit bb replacement I used a XD-15 Enduro. No replacement will be needed. We used RTV in a light coat to install. No creaks. It'll likely outlast the frame. I loaded it with grease several years ago and nothing since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laekon View Post
    If you go the Santa Cruz route you might as well go Hightower as there is no weight, and in my opinion, climbing difference between it and the Tallboy. The allow Trance 29 2 is below your budget and using the extra cash on a new set of wheels would probably weigh the same or less then some other options press fit BB though. I think the new GG Trail Pistol is the most interesting since its built in the US and is price and weight competitive for a short travel trail 29'er. You didn't say where and what type of trails you ride though.
    Colorado front range and the usual semi annual western slope trips. The gg is local and part of my consideration but it seems most say it rides fairly stiff. The niner is also fairly local and could be a great option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckman4 View Post
    The Following looks soooooo good, but unfortunately way out of OPs target price.
    Haha...missed the price point.

    I actually just bought a "new" Following V1. Waiting on delivery. Going to do a light trail build.

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    I know you don't want pressfit, but if that changes there are some killer deals on 2018 sb4.5s. Great pedaling bike and super fun. I've been really happy with mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Thanks for the perspective. I am lookon for a plush pedaler... or close to it. I know its a stretch... but i would imagine a spark 120/120 meets the need minus the pf bb.
    Plush and efficient normally only comes with multi link bikes. Like DW. Ibis Ripley LS the Diango is DW split pivot not quite as efficient but doesn't hang up.

    Leverage Ratio and shock choices have a lot to do with how well a bike handles hits.

    You can short shock a Canfield Riot and have an efficient peddling bike that is plush (flater leverage ratio) but its a heavy bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Why did many frame manufacturers move to PF BBs in the first place? Cost saving measure? Carbon construction technique? Seems to me that if a threaded shell works optimally, then finding a less robust, less trustworthy alternative is moving in the wrong direction, regardless if it's "almost as good" or "just as good most of the time."
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    Cheaper to manufacturer. Cost less labor to install.

    All of my PF bottom bracket bikes have been problematic...meaning lots of creaking noises after a while. My solution has been to replace with the cups that thread together inside the BB from Wheels Manufacturing or Praxis.

    I will no longer own PF bottom bracket bikes in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    Plush and efficient normally only comes with multi link bikes. Like DW. Ibis Ripley LS the Diango is DW split pivot not quite as efficient but doesn't hang up.

    Leverage Ratio and shock choices have a lot to do with how well a bike handles hits.

    You can short shock a Canfield Riot and have an efficient peddling bike that is plush (flater leverage ratio) but its a heavy bike.
    This is why inlove my salsa. But need more travel. The new horsethief looks great but the price is roughly 4200 for a 32 lbs nx build. I could stretch but i dont think i would for that. Ripley nx is same price and spec but looks to be a good bit lighter. The few folks that did ntervene in the django outright said its not what im looking for. Pivot 429... too roch for my blood and pf bb.

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    One thing to consider, Fezzari's price for the Spec and they are confident enough to offer 30 day return policy.
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    I second the Norco fluid. Total sleeper of a bike. Only small weakness is the oddly sized shock, but it's also a relatively new size so more options will probably become available.

    If I was shopping for a 120mm 29er I'd be really torn between the fluid and the smuggler I think. Smuggler has better shock and a little more aggressive geo, but fluid has 2.6" tire clearance and is cheaper. I'd probably pick the fluid.

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    Stumpjumper ST also has a theaded bottom bracket.

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    Another 120/120mm bike with threaded bb: Whyte S-120.

    If you end up not minding the press fit, the new Trance 29er looks great as a do-it-all bike for long days on the saddle.

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    Both Options below pushing your price range but I think you get much better bike just over the 4k mark or consider getting a frame and builing up.

    Lots of good options in this thread if you are okay with the a 130mm fork go Ripley hands down. If want to run a 120 fork than probably go with the Tall Boy. Bonus would be some places had tallboy models and frames on great prices fro last years model might not be too late to snag one.

    If decided threaded bb not required Trail 429 should be in discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Indeed I do know how much you ride -- mad respect. And a key reason I value your opinion. To clarify, my concern isn't actually BB longevity but rather creaking. I expect PF BB bearing longevity is no different than threaded BB bearing longevity. Thanks again.
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    No creaking either. I despise noisy bikes.

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    Thanks for all the great suggestions.

    I think I will be spending some time getting demos set up for the tallboy and the hightower. The C Rs are right at the top of my budget and good spec. Will try to get on a Niner Jet 9 after those demos.

    And we'll just go from there.

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    Spesh Epic is 120/100 and threaded BB. Multiple builds in alloy or carbon to fit the budget.

    I also love my Trail Pistola. But it is a good bit more bike than what you seem to be after. I'm running 140/130 with coil front and rear. It's a Pisgah smasher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalkerfiveo View Post
    Spesh Epic is 120/100 and threaded BB. Multiple builds in alloy or carbon to fit the budget.

    I also love my Trail Pistola. But it is a good bit more bike than what you seem to be after. I'm running 140/130 with coil front and rear. It's a Pisgah smasher.
    That is such a dream bike. Mine was set up 160/130 (with air) and it was the poppiest, most playful bike I could imagine. Loved that thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    That is such a dream bike. Mine was set up 160/130 (with air) and it was the poppiest, most playful bike I could imagine. Loved that thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_manny View Post
    The GT Alloy Sensor
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    Transition smuggler
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    Bird Aeris 120
    120/130 or 140
    Specifically, Smuggler carbon/NX. $3999

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckman4 View Post
    Canyon Neuron CF 8.0 - $3500 with GX Eagle and Great overall spec - only drawback here is Canyon-style low bb
    Did not see bb height on the Neuron geometry table, where did you find out this? As Canyon finally brought us threaded bb with the new Neuron, at least on paper it looks quite interesting..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssio View Post
    Did not see bb height on the Neuron geometry table, where did you find out this? As Canyon finally brought us threaded bb with the new Neuron, at least on paper it looks quite interesting..
    I called Canyon US. They don't even list it in the specs, but a CS guy went down to the showroom to measure for me. He said it was "just barely over 13 inches" with stock tires, etc. So ~332 mm or around there.

    I was hoping that since they bill this as the Trail Bike for the Masses, that it wouldn't have the enduro-low bb (IMO Of course, some like it low). The value of that bike/spec is crazy and would have landed it in my garage. Hell, i still might get one and swap to shorter cranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    One 2015 Fuel EX: Perfect luck.
    One 2016 FEX: Same.
    One 2018 FEX: Sane.
    One 2014(?) Remedy 29: One cup in four seasons, but I just replaced both.
    One 2018 Slash: Perfect luck, but early days, for sure!
    One ProCaliber: Perfect luck, but does not see a lot of "real" mtb (awesome gravel bike!)

    Over the years, I've probably had 3 or 4 threaded BB cups goe wonky. Easier to remedy, for sure, but my luck with PF is such that I don't give a rip one way or the other.

    And some of you know how much I ride.....
    I'll chime in.
    Pivot 5.7 with pressfit - never a problem
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    Giant Trance 29 with pressfit - no problems yet

    On one SB5, I was plagued by what I thought was a noisy BB (the power of suggestion!) and it turned out to be a cable rubbing the frame when the suspension moved.
    Threaded BBs are fine, but so is pressfit.

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    Welp i recently got a small bonus so i may end up with the new horsethief nx carbon after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSU Alum View Post
    I'll chime in.
    Pivot 5.7 with pressfit - never a problem
    Yeti SB5 (2 of them) pressfits - never a problem
    Giant Trance 29 with pressfit - no problems yet

    On one SB5, I was plagued by what I thought was a noisy BB (the power of suggestion!) and it turned out to be a cable rubbing the frame when the suspension moved.
    Threaded BBs are fine, but so is pressfit.
    Good to know, MSU. Thanks. You're in the desert and Kosmo & I are up in the PNWet so it sounds like climate doesn't affect PF BB performance much, either. Maybe I'll quit insisting on threaded BBs. Or not. I'm in queue for a new custom steel 29+ frame and it'll have a threaded BB, too (probably 83mm).

    Hopefully I'll live long enough to buy a bike or two after this one. We'll see what's available then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Welp i recently got a small bonus so i may end up with the new horsethief nx carbon after all.
    Congrats! Let us know how you like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Good to know, MSU. Thanks. You're in the desert and Kosmo & I are up in the PNWet so it sounds like climate doesn't affect PF BB performance much, either. Maybe I'll quit insisting on threaded BBs. Or not. I'm in queue for a new custom steel 29+ frame and it'll have a threaded BB, too (probably 83mm).

    Hopefully I'll live long enough to buy a bike or two after this one. We'll see what's available then...
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    1. Remove crank.
    2. Remove little seal things from BB bearings.
    3. Pack bearings full of Dumonde Liquid Grease.
    4. Reassemble.

    Also, it should be stated that I really hate mud riding, and try to avoid it at all costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    My new bike routine includes:

    1. Remove crank.
    2. Remove little seal things from BB bearings.
    3. Pack bearings full of Dumonde Liquid Grease.
    4. Reassemble.

    Also, it should be stated that I really hate mud riding, and try to avoid it at all costs.
    Good call on the bearing packing.

    As for riding in the mud, I know it's bad form in many if not most environs but it's not a bad thing to do here in the southern Willamette Valley, particularly around Eugene. Our trails heal well and in short order once they begin to dry out in spring (plus of course we're constantly mitigating trail impact by making our trails as sustainable as possible). If we couldn't ride in western Oregon's mud, we'd have to quit riding half the year.

    Meanwhile on the other side of the Cascades (ie: Bend), you just can't ride when it's muddy. The impact will last through the year. Very different soil type on the other side of the mountains.

    Guess riding in various locales/conditions is a topic for another thread. I'll just say that the conditions we ride in here for half the year are hard on bearings, suspension components and drivetrains. Not to mention one of the key reasons I've always been leery of press fit anything.
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    P.S. That said, headsets are PF and I've never had a problem with a creaking headset. Though headsets don't suffer the kind of punishment that I deliver to a bottom bracket...
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    I know zero about BBs but this is a nice bike with a threaded BB.

    https://www.whyteusa.bike/collection...0-carbon-rs-19

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Colorado front range and the usual semi annual western slope trips. The gg is local and part of my consideration but it seems most say it rides fairly stiff. The niner is also fairly local and could be a great option.
    You are local CO, what about giving LENZ a call or email and setting up a demo with them?
    I have the behemoth (29+) that I'm slowly building, but I have the 100mm rockers installed, and I like that I could swap rockers to get 120mm travel. I was thinking of trying to go lightish build with either 120F/100R or depending on the fork I get 130F/120R. Should be fun and the demo I had was a very nice ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckman4 View Post
    I called Canyon US. They don't even list it in the specs, but a CS guy went down to the showroom to measure for me. He said it was "just barely over 13 inches" with stock tires, etc. So ~332 mm or around there.
    That's good service from Canyon, wonder what the frame size was? The bb is low, even lower than my Fuel EX with Mino-Link on "high" position. And that's a pedal strike machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Welp i recently got a small bonus so i may end up with the new horsethief nx carbon after all.
    Sweetness. Id love to hear your impressions of the bike if you end up getting a salsa
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssio View Post
    That's good service from Canyon, wonder what the frame size was? The bb is low, even lower than my Fuel EX with Mino-Link on "high" position. And that's a pedal strike machine.
    What year Fuel EX do you have? I have the 2015 with 337 bb and almost never pedal strike. The 2019 spec lists over 340 bb. I know the 2017 / 2018 models had lots of complaints about pedal strikes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckman4 View Post
    What year Fuel EX do you have? I have the 2015 with 337 bb and almost never pedal strike. The 2019 spec lists over 340 bb. I know the 2017 / 2018 models had lots of complaints about pedal strikes.
    I've had both 2017 and 2018. 2018 was 29er but the 2017 one was the Plus model with 27.5+ wheels, it came with the longer 140mm fork to raise the bb a bit.

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    Jamis Portal also has a threaded BB
    130/130
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