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    Thoughts on 2019 Specialized Fuse - Carbon vs Expert

    Looks like a pretty nice hardtail, wondering if anyone has experience on this bike.
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    If I was looking for an aggressive hardtail, I'd be shopping with other companies. The Fuse seems overprice for what it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 93EXCivic View Post
    If I was looking for an aggressive hardtail, I'd be shopping with other companies. The Fuse seems overprice for what it is...
    What would you look at, Giant XTC or Santa Cruz maybe?

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    Kona Honzo or Big Honzo would be my first choice if you want carbon (also available in steel). Otherwise there is Nukeproof, Dartmoor, Ragley, NS Bikes, for example.
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    Ok, I'll check those out. Looking for one with slacker geometry, so it's a little better on the downhill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    Looks like a pretty nice hardtail, wondering if anyone has experience on this bike.
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    I went through this same dilemma back in March, fully intended on ordering an Expert Alu and walked out with a Comp Carbon. I don't regret it one bit, I love the Fuse. I also tested a Trek Roscoe (yuk) and a SC Chameleon Alu (2nd choice) and the Fuse just fit *me* and *my* riding style better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    Ok, I'll check those out. Looking for one with slacker geometry, so it's a little better on the downhill.

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    If you want something more slack then check out those other companies for sure. The Fuse really isn't that aggressive compared to many hardtails.

    The Ragleys are at 64-65.5 head tube angle depending on the length of fork and the model of bike. Nukeproof Scout is at 65 same with the Sounder Transmitter and the Dartmoor is at 66 for the Primal and 65 on the Hornet. Compared to the Carbon fuse at 67.5 which is comparable to the Honzo but the Honzo is available in steel.
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    New 2020 Fuse announced today...check specialized website

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    Any idea what the weights are for these hardtails? Are they all about 30 lbs?
    The Nukeproof Scout and Ragley look good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    Any idea what the weights are for these hardtails? Are they all about 30 lbs?
    The Nukeproof Scout and Ragley look good.

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    Yes. 30 on the heavy side, less with lighter wheelsets. I think mine are 27-28 lbs.

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    What frame can I get that will give me a 20 lb bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    What frame can I get that will give me a 20 lb bike?

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    Seriously, though. I have a titanium frame, titanium handlebars, I9 wheelset, and it's still at 27 for my lightest HT. Maybe if you built it up as a single-speed with the lightest wheelset, no dropper, then you'd get closer to 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    What frame can I get that will give me a 20 lb bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by klatekin View Post
    Santa Cruz Highball, Canyon Exceed
    Highball = 25 lbs.

    Canyon Exceed SLX 9 Pro = 20 lbs but for $6500.

    These are bike weights, not frame, and neither are slack HTs like the Fuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy G. Parrish View Post
    Highball = 25 lbs.

    Canyon Exceed SLX 9 Pro = 20 lbs but for $6500.

    These are bike weights, not frame, and neither are slack HTs like the Fuse.
    Shoot, just realized this was the 27.5 forum, my bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klatekin View Post
    Shoot, just realized this was the 27.5 forum, my bad.
    I guess you can always put 27.5 wheels on either frame and over fork it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy G. Parrish View Post
    Seriously, though. I have a titanium frame, titanium handlebars, I9 wheelset, and it's still at 27 for my lightest HT. Maybe if you built it up as a single-speed with the lightest wheelset, no dropper, then you'd get closer to 20.
    Well, the only frame I really like is the Ragley, 64 degree HTa. I think it's the only one that slack. Can always change out the wheels, etc.

    I think it's time to put the Trek Fuel EX7 up for sale. Hopefully I can get a few bucks for it.

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    Just to toss out another option, take a look at the Transition Throttle. Geo looks good, can be built up pretty light, and deals are out there. And you are going to have to work to get a geared hardtail down to 20 lbs. I have a Pivot Les and even with Enve wheels, a Sid, and xtr/xt components, it comes in a little under 23 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneStar View Post
    Just to toss out another option, take a look at the Transition Throttle.
    This is a good shout if you do want to build something super light.

    But to me aggressive hardtail and super light are not happening. By the time you put some beefy wheels and tires, a 130-150mm 34mm or bigger fork and a dropper I don't see anyway you aren't around 30lbs. If you aren't looking to do those things, it doesn't seem like something like the Ragley makes sense for what you want...
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    Not really going for aggressive hardtail, more of a slacker, lighter hardtail. Would probably use Stans Crest wheels, like on my FS.

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    My FS is 29#, crazy that those hardtails weight that much right from the store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    My FS is 29#, crazy that those hardtails weight that much right from the store.
    I was just at my LBS at lunch and they had one of the new Fuse Comp M4's on the floor...size medium felt pretty hefty when I lifted it...looks sweet though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    What frame can I get that will give me a 20 lb bike?

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    My carbon XC bike with narrow carbon XC wheels, carbon bars, carbon post, and Lefty weighs 21.5.

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    My FS is 29#, crazy that those hardtails weight that much right from the store.
    My FS is 35, so not too bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewalk View Post
    My carbon XC bike with narrow carbon XC wheels, carbon bars, carbon post, and Lefty weighs 21.5.

    My FS is 35, so not too bad
    What frame do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    What frame do you have?
    HT: Cannondale F-Si
    FS: Spec Enduro

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    Just came across this:
    Moxie Enduro Hardtail | 27.5/27.5+/29er Compatible

    5.7lb steel frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    Not really going for aggressive hardtail, more of a slacker, lighter hardtail. Would probably use Stans Crest wheels, like on my FS.
    I started putting a a new fuse together today. The frame weighs 4.58 lbs with the thru axle. I am putting it together as a rigid SS. I have crest wheels as well with a 3" Chronicle on the front and 2.8 Mcfly on the rear. I got stymied today with a too short rear brake cable so I rounded up the parts that weren't attached and it looks like the finished bike is going to weigh 21-21 1/4 lb. Just going to miss out on SS Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaynec View Post
    I started putting a a new fuse together today. The frame weighs 4.58 lbs with the thru axle. I am putting it together as a rigid SS. I have crest wheels as well with a 3" Chronicle on the front and 2.8 Mcfly on the rear. I got stymied today with a too short rear brake cable so I rounded up the parts that weren't attached and it looks like the finished bike is going to weigh 21-21 1/4 lb. Just going to miss out on SS Wednesday.
    I just realized , wrong forum, this bike has 29" wheels. lo siento

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaynec View Post
    I started putting a a new fuse together today. The frame weighs 4.58 lbs with the thru axle. I am putting it together as a rigid SS. I have crest wheels as well with a 3" Chronicle on the front and 2.8 Mcfly on the rear. I got stymied today with a too short rear brake cable so I rounded up the parts that weren't attached and it looks like the finished bike is going to weigh 21-21 1/4 lb. Just going to miss out on SS Wednesday.
    That's the new Fuse that just came out? Very cool! 21-21 1/4 lb is super, esp with 3.0 and 2.8.
    Couple questions:
    1. What size frame?
    2. Can you share your final build and weight? I imagine lots of folks would be interested.
    Thanks!

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    It is the new one with the sliding dropout, it's a medium. I ordered the frame on friday and just picked it up today. I should have my new brake line on Thursday and be able to finish everything up and I will post a few pictures and weight. I came on here today because I wasn't able to confirm a frame weight and wanted to pass that along. Thanks for the interest!

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    Regarding the Fuse 27.5, I was told by a bike dealer, "The Fuse 27.5 has a head tube angle of 66 degrees and the dropouts are out front of the fork. Overall this extends the wheel base for stability and smoothness on the trail."

    Isn't this true for all bikes?

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    There are a few options out there:

    Orange Crush Comp (aluminum)
    Ragley Blue Pig (steel)
    Pipedream Moxie (steel)

    From these three, I wonder which would be a better deal. Thinking of either a frame purchase or complete bike. The first thing I would change would probably be the wheels and tires.

    Not sure how the ride would differ from aluminum frame to steel frame.

    Seems like the weigh difference of just the frame is less than 3 lbs.

    Also, are the 27.5 bikes capable of running 29" wheels?

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    Are you looking for a 27.5 a 29 or 27.5+ bike?
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    Looking for a 27.5, however, I heard the wheels are interchangeable on some bikes. Not sure if this is true.

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    The Ragley Big Wig is a 29er. I wouldn't run a 27.5 in that frame. The BB will awfully low if you do.

    The mmmBop and Blue Pig (more aggressive geometry, aluminum and steel) and the Marley and Piglet (the slightly less aggressive geometry, aluminum and steel) are what you would be the 27.5.

    I don't believe the Ragleys are made to be interchangable between wheel sizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    Looking for a 27.5, however, I heard the wheels are interchangeable on some bikes. Not sure if this is true.
    I am not sure a traditional (non-plus) 27.5" wheel would be a great idea on the Fuse, would drop the BB pretty low. I have a carbon version (27lbs on the nose) and had to go to 165mm cranks to reduce the pedal strikes in rocky terrain with 2.8" tires after a heinous crash from clipping a pedal in a well traveled, very familiar to me trail section. No issues with strikes now, but I wouldn't want the BB to go any lower. I'd look elsewhere if you plan on riding tires less than a 2.6".

    BUT, the outer diameter of Specialized 2.8 vs. 2.6 is withing 1mm, so I guess you could run 27.5 x 2.6 and be closer to a traditional non-plus bike.
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    Blue Pig 27.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by G View Post
    Blue Pig 27.5

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    Sorry I got completely thrown off. I thought you had put Big Wig. My bad.
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    It always takes longer than you think it will. Medium 29er rigid 20.83 lb. I had some sexy sunset photos and then realized they were too big for the this site.
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