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    Short Chainstay 27.5 FS Frame?

    Wants:
    Frame weight <5#
    Travel 130-150
    B.B. height >13.4Ē
    Reach >475mm in a L/XL
    Chainstay <425mm
    Tire capacity >2.6
    Dropper capacity >150mm
    Threaded B.B.
    Boost spacing
    Water bottle inside frame

    Probably dreaming, but the chainstay thing is where I want to begin , looking for 420mm or less like a Balance, but longer front center; Iíd actually buy an XL Balance if they were still available...
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    A Santa Cruz 5010 would tick most those boxes except Reach in the L, which is 460mm, XL is 490mm. Chainstay is 425mm across all the frame sizes. But I'm a bit bias. lol
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    It's onthe list!

    Quote Originally Posted by chadbrochills View Post
    A Santa Cruz 5010 would tick most those boxes except Reach in the L, which is 460mm, XL is 490mm. Chainstay is 425mm across all the frame sizes. But I'm a bit bias. lol
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    Not sure about frame weight, but I love my Ibis Mojo 3. It ticks most of your boxes except for reach, and the BB is 0.1" lower than your spec with 2.6 tires.
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    I've ridden a Mojo 3, nice bike, very playful and plush, but a tad short, too bad they haven't tried to stretch it like they did with the HD.

    Quote Originally Posted by ABQ Clydesdale View Post
    Not sure about frame weight, but I love my Ibis Mojo 3. It ticks most of your boxes except for reach, and the BB is 0.1" lower than your spec with 2.6 tires.
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    In the 130 category I've been eyeing the 5010, Transition Scout, and Rocky Mnt Thunderbolt maybe.

    I wish Ibis would've updated the Mojo 3 this year. It would probably be top of the list for me... shoulda, woulda, coulda

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    Get a used Balance! The Bros have tried it with a boost hub and stated it works perfectly fine.

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    If I could find a Balance XL, yeah, that'd work. Only found one, it's already gone. I also worry about parts and breakage since the Bros are not doing much, maybe no more.

    So why does the Transition Scout frame weigh 9# when a GG Shred Dog frame weighs 6#?

    I wonder if GG would do a short chainstay for me...

    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    Get a used Balance! The Bros have tried it with a boost hub and stated it works perfectly fine.
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    My 27.5 XL Process 153 (2018 Gen2) clicks most of those boxes:

    Wants:
    Frame weight <5#...Not sure - PROBABLY NOT
    Travel 130-150...CLOSE (153 rear/160 front)
    B.B. height >13.4Ē...13.5"
    Reach >475mm in a L/XL...510mm
    Chainstay <425mm...425mm
    Tire capacity >2.6...Came with 2.5's, appears to be room for bigger
    Dropper capacity >150mm...170mm
    Threaded B.B....Press Fit
    Boost spacing...YES
    Water bottle inside frame...YES

    Regarding weight...climbs very well for a big bike. Not holding me back at all.
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    I was just watching a vid on youtube and the reviewer was riding an xl frame and made a comment about larger guys and larger frames with small chain stays being an issue as far as being balanced or something. I never heard of that before but then again i'm a solid medium when it comes to frames.
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    5mm chian stay difference and it weighs a bit more, but the low center hides it.
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    Itís a non issue, I rode a 415mm chainstay bike, it was awesome. I think people make stuff up to explain why they donít like something vs just saying they donít like it. Short chainstays are the cats meow in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mt.Biker E View Post
    I was just watching a vid on youtube and the reviewer was riding an xl frame and made a comment about larger guys and larger frames with small chain stays being an issue as far as being balanced or something. I never heard of that before but then again i'm a solid medium when it comes to frames.
    The Evil Calling for me is a balanced bike that can take big hits.
    5mm chian stay difference and it weighs a bit more, but the low center hides it.
    the xl gets you close
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    Giving up on the short travel 29er?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Itís a non issue, I rode a 415mm chainstay bike, it was awesome. I think people make stuff up to explain why they donít like something vs just saying they donít like it. Short chainstays are the cats meow in my book.
    This! I am just shy of 6'2" and love my short chain stays on canfield bikes. Just keep looking for a XL balance. or you can always XL a riot and run a 160mm 27.5 fork and wheels and have quite the little ripper. I did it with mine for a while just to play around and it ticks your boxes except the weight.

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    Nope, no change in the plan, gonna ride 27.5 as my big bike and 29 as my short bike/XC. Iíll probably get that Fezzari 120mm Frame.

    In the meantime Iím thinking about changing seat stays on my Smash ($500), make into a Shred Dog, got a coil coming in a couple days, that might suit my needs.
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    Giving up on the short travel 29er?
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    Frame weight for a large Mojo 3 is 5.6#.
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    I have an intense spider that meets most of your requirements. very fun bike.

    16.5 chainstay
    130/140 travel
    150 dropper
    carbon frame

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    I looked at the Spider, nearly bought a Recluse, but the tire clearance is just not enough, barely fits a 2.5. An ATC would work, but the CS is looong.

    Quote Originally Posted by micky View Post
    I have an intense spider that meets most of your requirements. very fun bike.

    16.5 chainstay
    130/140 travel
    150 dropper
    carbon frame
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    Quote Originally Posted by micky View Post
    I have an intense spider that meets most of your requirements. very fun bike.

    16.5 chainstay
    130/140 travel
    150 dropper
    carbon frame
    How do you feel about the flex. I have a few buddies that sold theirs because they felt noodle like. They are all DH guys looking for XC bike so they might be a bit skewed from running just big bikes for so long.

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    It's quite a stiff frame. Are you sure your buddies we're on a carbon spider 275C? I'm 195lbs with strong legs and it feels stiff to me. The recluse frame is basically the same but might be a tiny bit stiffer due to the single ring only rear triangle. The old aluminum spider xc bike had a lot more flex. The current spider is somewhere between Enduro and xc.

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    you are correct, i read that as sniper not spider. So i know nothing about the spider.

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    Have you looked at Whyte? I have a 2018 Whyte T-130, and zeroed in on it for the same... short chain stay/longer reach ratio. I love its ratio there. Really makes it feel stable and playful. Here are its geo numbers for an XL (bold red below).

    Again, 2018 numbers. I think 2019 is the same, or very similar.

    Travel 130-150 130 (2019 is 140 front I believe)
    B.B. height >13.4Ē 12.9"
    Reach >475mm in a L/XL 483
    Chainstay <425mm 420
    Tire capacity >2.6 2.6 would be the max, at least on the 2018
    Dropper capacity >150mm Comes with a 150, more may be possible
    Threaded B.B. Yes
    Boost spacing Yes
    Water bottle inside frame Yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    you are correct, i read that as sniper not spider. So i know nothing about the spider.
    Cool, the spider is more aggressive/all mountain while the sniper is more pure xc. The spider feels like a santa Cruz 5010 but with shorter chain stays and a bit lighter/stiffer feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredcook View Post
    Have you looked at Whyte? I have a 2018 Whyte T-130, and zeroed in on it for the same... short chain stay/longer reach ratio. I love its ratio there. Really makes it feel stable and playful. Here are its geo numbers for an XL (bold red below).

    Again, 2018 numbers. I think 2019 is the same, or very similar.

    Travel 130-150 130 (2019 is 140 front I believe)
    B.B. height >13.4Ē 12.9"
    Reach >475mm in a L/XL 483
    Chainstay <425mm 420
    Tire capacity >2.6 2.6 would be the max, at least on the 2018
    Dropper capacity >150mm Comes with a 150, more may be possible
    Threaded B.B. Yes
    Boost spacing Yes
    Water bottle inside frame Yes
    No frame only option
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    The spider hits most of the requirements

    Frame weight 5.1lbs
    Reach >475mm in a L/XL 49tmm on an XL
    Chainstay 2.6 2.6s fit, but that's as big as you can go on the rear. The stock fox fork should fit a 2.8 no problem
    Dropper capacity >150mm will depend on your inseam, but stock they usually come with 150mm
    Threaded B.B. The are PF
    Boost spacing Yep
    Water bottle inside frame Yep
    BB Height: 13.25"on 2.35" tires, probably ~13.4" on 2.6s

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    They look nice too

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    More please...I'm becoming more convinced that I want short chainstays, and that the playfulness and maneuverability they add (and the CS length possibilities) are more easily found in the 27.5 format.

    Nurse Ben has a similar set of priorities in this search...

    Hoping for a Mojo 4 in 2019 with some geo updates and a bit less weight...would love to return to the Ibis family
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    Don't think you'll see a mojo 4 soon since the mojo 3 just got new colors for 2019.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    If I could find a Balance XL, yeah, that'd work. Only found one, it's already gone. I also worry about parts and breakage since the Bros are not doing much, maybe no more.

    So why does the Transition Scout frame weigh 9# when a GG Shred Dog frame weighs 6#?

    I wonder if GG would do a short chainstay for me...
    The Scout is my other suggestion, it gives you everything besides weight. Maybe a carbon one will come out.

    A thought has crept into my mind to build a Scout like my Balance which means coil. A Hazzard and Ribbon seem like a dumb enough ideal to work.

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    Yup, the Scout was an option, but heavy as a bag of bricks, maybe if I didn't need to climb once in a while ...

    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    The Scout is my other suggestion, it gives you everything besides weight. Maybe a carbon one will come out.

    A thought has crept into my mind to build a Scout like my Balance which means coil. A Hazzard and Ribbon seem like a dumb enough ideal to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Yup, the Scout was an option, but heavy as a bag of bricks, maybe if I didn't need to climb once in a while ...
    I still vote a used Riot with a 160mm 27.5 for and 27.5 wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Yup, the Scout was an option, but heavy as a bag of bricks, maybe if I didn't need to climb once in a while ...
    The weight argument is valid. My buddy's carbon XX1 SB6 feels like a feather. My Balance is nearly 35 lbs and climbs lighter than its weight would suggest. I could throw money at the problem to get it to high 32s, but deadlifts and squats are cheaper.

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    Came across this accidentally a couple of weeks ago, just looks wrong!

    Titanium 420 - Carver Bikes

    Titanium 420 - Carver BikesShort Chainstay 27.5 FS Frame?-bike-420-cvr2586.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    Came across this accidentally a couple of weeks ago, just looks wrong!

    Titanium 420 - Carver Bikes

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    No seat tube angle given. I think this is around to bridge the gap between a good pedaling bike and a recumbent bike.

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