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    RockShox Revelation RLT Ti 2-Posi Air 120/150mm QR Black

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    RockShox Revelation RLT Ti 2-Posi Air 120/150mm QR
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    650b Reba

    Reba is a No Fit! As far as the various Reba models/years i've personally checked out (08/09 U-Turn Team/ SL) and those that other forumites have attempted, no Rebas seem to cear the fork bridge, but maybe someone has other finding than I have so...



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    anyone know if a rock shox reba rlt dual air 2011 will clear 650b?
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    Following this thread for a while: a question . . .

    What fork that will fit a 650b wheel has the shortest ATC height? Low travel is ok. My wife is on a VERY small hardtail and I have a Rock Shox Psylo on it now that brings the front end way up. I could go rigid, but don't really want to.
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    Howdy--I searched and could not find the answer I need.

    I have a 2011 Sektor Coil on order. Will this fork fit 650B? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgermtb View Post
    Howdy--I searched and could not find the answer I need.

    I have a 2011 Sektor Coil on order. Will this fork fit 650B? Thanks!
    I second this....i think we need more pics though of certian forks.

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    Fisher Hi Fi

    Hi, I am new to the board. Live and ride in NJ, been riding for about 5 yrs.

    I see where its been said all Fox forks will fit 650B. I have a 2009 (26") Fisher Hi Fi with a RL 32 F series 120 mm fork. I am figuring the 650B is 1 1/2" larger on the diameter than my current wheel. That should be 3/4" per side. I put a .750" cylindrical gage pin on top of my year old 2.10 Nevegal below the fork arch. There is barely .030"-.050" clearance to the arch. Seems awfully close especially knowing the tire has a years worth of wear (ride at least once a week). Was considering going to a 650B up front only. Little concerned with making the investment for wheel and tire if a new tire will not clear. Anyone can help with this?

    Also, anyone see a problem with running 650B up front only? I don't think 650B will clear rear chain stay arch.

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    Hi Guys,
    I went ahead and measured out my 2011 F series 32 RL Fox Fork (125mm Travel) and with it completely aired out I get about 354mm till contact with the crown. I put the tire back on and measure the gap and got only .5". This is with a 26" Kendal Nevegal 2.1 tire on a 19mm wide rim. When the 702mm tire height was given for the Pacenti tire, what model tire was this exactly and what was the rim width?

    I can go a wider rim to alleviate the height issue and possibly spare my clearance issues.
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    FYI, completed my 650 front setup and it clears by allot on my 2011 F series 32 RL Fox Fork (125mm Travel). Probally about .5" clearance with stanchion arch. Before I got the 650rim/tire, the fork with no air pressure and totally compressed the main arch under the headtube comes slightly lower then the stanchion arch by about .25" so I'm guessing about .25" of clearance in this extreme situation. Which I doubt you could ever re-produce with actual pressure in the fork.

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    What about a Marzocchi Corsa Superleggera 26er fork?

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    Anyone knows of the 2010 Rockshox Revelation RLT fits the 650b?

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    Previous posts on 20mm Maxle version fits, 9 QR doesn't. I've got 2011 RLT Ti 15 mm maxle. A 2.3 neo-moto on a Blunt just scraps in.A neo 2.3 gives a couple of mm clearance. If the tire or rim were a mm out of true a neo 2.3 wouldn't fit. A P35 rim may help clearance? It's Neo 2.3 or 2.1 in dry conditions only.
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    Anyone try a 2011 Lefty Ultra 120? I think all the 120's are the same since 2010...
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    i just fitted a DT swiss XRC 100 carbon fork with Quassi motos
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    What about the Sektor solo air?

    I know...not the best fork but baby steps on my wallet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halaburt View Post
    No suspension for me... but my 26"/650B resto-mod project takes a big step forward today.

    what's with this project - like to see more pic's i love all wtb/potts/cunningham's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi Strauss View Post
    what's with this project - like to see more pic's i love all wtb/potts/cunningham's
    The fork will go on a 1996 WTB steel Phoenix frame. Current plans are for 1x10 drivetrain and then all my favorite parts. The frame needed a few minor repairs and changes which just got done by Steve Potts. Next step is figuring stem size and getting that made --- followed by some Joe Bell paint. I'd bet i'm at least a year from being done on this.

    Here are a few more pics of the fork:




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    Quote Originally Posted by halaburt View Post
    The fork will go on a 1996 WTB steel Phoenix frame. Current plans are for 1x10 drivetrain and then all my favorite parts. The frame needed a few minor repairs and changes which just got done by Steve Potts. Next step is figuring stem size and getting that made --- followed by some Joe Bell paint. I'd bet i'm at least a year from being done on this.

    Here are a few more pics of the fork:



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    sounds great i like this mixing of old and new parts ... charlie's rollercam studs looks different ... what brake fit's that studs ? wtb ? charlie made brake ?
    pls excuse my "bad" english i am from germany

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi Strauss View Post
    charlie's rollercam studs looks different ... what brake fit's that studs ?
    Levi,

    There are a few different standards for RC brake studs:
    - Original (CC/SP): 0.375-inch dia x 0.750-inch length (~9.5mm x 19mm)
    - Suntour (and later WTB, production bikes): 8.9mm x ~16.7mm
    - MiniCam (for road, cross bikes): 0.3125-inch x 0.750-inch (~8.0mm x 19mm)

    This new fork uses the Original size. All of the vintage WTB and newer handmade brakes can be adopted to either the Original or Suntour size studs by changing out the bronze bushings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halaburt View Post
    Levi,

    There are a few different standards for RC brake studs:
    - Original (CC/SP): 0.375-inch dia x 0.750-inch length (~9.5mm x 19mm)
    - Suntour (and later WTB, production bikes): 8.9mm x ~16.7mm
    - MiniCam (for road, cross bikes): 0.3125-inch x 0.750-inch (~8.0mm x 19mm)

    This new fork uses the Original size. All of the vintage WTB and newer handmade brakes can be adopted to either the Original or Suntour size studs by changing out the bronze bushings.
    oh thank you - i don't know this before - hope we see more pic's in the future

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    2012 Fox F100 RLC Fit with Quasi Moto

    here it is..
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    Magura Thor with Hope Pro 2 EVO 20 mm laced with DT Comp 274/272 mm spokes to Alex XD-Lite and Nevagel 2.3" works.
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    Nice Turner conversion! Love the red accents. RFX or ?
    We told you 650b rocks! Riding converted RFX for years!

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    Thanks. It's a 2007 Turner Spot with Magura Thor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    Thanks. It's a 2007 Turner Spot with Magura Thor.
    Thinking about doing the same thing to my 2008 spot instead of getting a new bike.

    Does anyone know if the new Revelation 150mm will fit 650b? If not I may go with an X fusion Vengence and lower it to 130mm travel.

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    is it true that all Fox forks can fit 650b? Can a float 36 be lowered to 150mm or 140mm of travel

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    Anyone has tried the Nevegal 2.35 on a Revelation 20mm 2010/2011??
    That would be the only fork off the three I have that I'm not sure if it will fit.

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    per email correspondance with John at X-Fusion. The 160mm Vengeance fork is 650b compatiable out of the box. Meaning travel reduction is not required, a 650b front wheel can be used at full 160mm travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube View Post
    Check this.
    650B Palace: Over coming the Plauge.

    From November of 2007
    Can anybody confirm if the Suntour XCM is even offroad-worthy?
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halaburt View Post
    No suspension for me... but my 26"/650B resto-mod project takes a big step forward today.

    any news about this project ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi Strauss View Post
    any news about this project ?
    For realz.... Am I going crazy or are those brake posts in a weird position? Gonna run v-brakes upside down? I'm confused...
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    for rollercam brakes - the best rim brake ever
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    I am thinking of 650B Nevegals, but my brother's 2011 Reign has a Fox Float 150mm with 2.35 x 26" Nevagals and it does not look like that fork could fit 650B.

    It seems like the tire may have a lot to do with whether the fork will work for 650B. Also the hoop width could also cause changes in diameter. I hope all these other variables don't make this thread completely useless for some of the forks that are tight.

    Also, lets keep it on topic guys. I'm sure the poster with the steel fork is talking about it in the appropriate thread..

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    NeoMoto 2.35 + Weinmann Discovery rim (27mm outside width) + Fox F80X deflated and fully compressed (in fact it went to 81mm, 1mm past rated travel...discovered after it was re-inflated) = center tire knobs emitting a continuous tire buzzing noise as the wheel spins.

    There was in fact several millimeters more stanchion showing between the top wiper seal and the crown, which means whatever hard bottom-out travel limiter fox uses, is internal, and if its damaged/missing, you could have situations where a tire beyond the safe recommended diameter limit (which for all Fox 32 series forks is 27" and for 36/40 series is 27.3") could definitely be stopped dead while riding. Obviously Fox when developing their forks realized there were tires out there already in the 26" family, that while clearing the fork braces, wouldn't clear the underside of the crown 100% of the time.

    Now given that wider rims tend to flatten out a tire casing (reducing the total peak diameter slightly) and narrower rims have the opposite effect, and there are several rims narrower than 27mm which people will run with the Neo/Neva 2.35s... well... good luck kids.
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    2011 rock shox revelation with 15mm maxle.

    nada...

    tried with P35 rim and brand new racing ralph

    need a new fork now

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    FWIW I have successfully run/and am currently running a Velocity Blunt wheel with Pacenti Neo-Moto on two sets go longer travel Fox Forks:

    1) Fox 36 TALAS 110-130-160mm

    and....

    2) Fox 36 VAN 180mm coil.

    No issues with either fork and that has involved some free riding on the 180..full compression, no rubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaminM3 View Post
    I am thinking of 650B Nevegals, but my brother's 2011 Reign has a Fox Float 150mm with 2.35 x 26" Nevagals and it does not look like that fork could fit 650B.

    It seems like the tire may have a lot to do with whether the fork will work for 650B. Also the hoop width could also cause changes in diameter. I hope all these other variables don't make this thread completely useless for some of the forks that are tight..
    I have a 2011 Float 140, dropped to 120 with internal spacers and have no issue with the 650B 2.35 Nevegal on a P35 rim. I wouldn't call it "lots" of room, but it's certainly enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaminM3 View Post
    I am thinking of 650B Nevegals, but my brother's 2011 Reign has a Fox Float 150mm with 2.35 x 26" Nevagals and it does not look like that fork could fit 650B.
    Nevegal 650B on a Blunt rim clears a 2009 Float 140. Same clearance on a 2010 Talas 150... haven't had a single issue with this settings in 2 years, including fudge-like muddy conditions.
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    2011 Rock Shox Sektor RL QR (coil u-turn) - Arch clearance -




    Using a Neomoto 2.35 on Stan's 355 rims.

    Closer than a fox Vanilla or the F100, but still decent space. Went on a really wet ride and its was ok, but the mud was the soft kind. Any gloopy, clay-like mud, and this won't do.

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    Its no secret that Fox forks work with 650B. But I figured that perhaps someone working on the exact same build as I would like to have some visual proof.
    Here are the specs:
    1. Racing Ralph Evo, TLR mounted on Velocity Blunt SL rims
    2. 2011 Fox F32 100mm RLC 15QR



    As you can see, plenty of clearance at the arch. When deflated and fully compressed, there is about 1/16 of an inch clearance. It's tight, but there is no rubbing. I guess I should have captured that, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobym2 View Post
    2011 Rock Shox Sektor RL QR (coil u-turn) - Arch clearance -




    Using a Neomoto 2.35 on Stan's 355 rims.

    Closer than a fox Vanilla or the F100, but still decent space. Went on a really wet ride and its was ok, but the mud was the soft kind. Any gloopy, clay-like mud, and this won't do.
    I assumed the Sektor used the same lower casting as a revelation, but it doesn't appear to be the case in these pictures... that tire would barely spin with lots of buzz on the arch of my 2010 revelation xx

    Huh... according to RS 2010-2011 Revelation/2011 Sektor/2012 Recon Gold all use the same lowers. There must be a lot of variation in tires.

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    DtSwiss XMM 140 twinshot

    does anyone know if this fork works with pacenti 650b? does anyone have pictures?

    thanks for answers.

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    does a sherman 20mm work ?

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    Anyone knows of the 2011/2012 suntour epicon fits the 650b?

    thanks

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    I can fit 2.3 nevegals on an older 80mm fox terra logic, lil room to go. ill prot pics when i can

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    SR Suntour Epicon fits

    I finally got a chance to to fit my 650B wheel in a Suntour Epicon at a LBS. I think it was the 2011 model with 130mm travel, 9mm QR. I wasn't able to check if the crown would hit during full compression as the fork was a display and I couldn't possibly ask the shop to deflate it just to check
    I couldn't get a good angle, but the pic from the front is pretty clear. There's definitely sufficient arch clearance.
    I've been eyeing this as a cheap way to go back to suspension (been exclusively SS rigid for 3 years now).
    Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3 (tubes) on Velocity Blunt; not sure of tire pressure, maybe high 30s/low 40s.
    Hmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex63 View Post
    Anyone knows of the 2011/2012 suntour epicon fits the 650b?

    thanks
    If you haven't seen them yet, I just posted a couple of pics of the 2011 Epicon with a 2.3 Neo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    If you haven't seen them yet, I just posted a couple of pics of the 2011 Epicon with a 2.3 Neo.
    Ok Thanks

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    i made a test with SID 2012 and racing ralph 2.25.
    the wheel can fit but the gap between arch and tire equal to 1.5mm.
    the small deformation of the tire rubs the arch

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    Arch clearance is always the least of the problems since many forks clear there but won't clear under the crown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    Arch clearance is always the least of the problems since many forks clear there but won't clear under the crown.
    Ok i test completely deflate

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    Sorry if it's already poster here but will a FOX 32 FLOAT 120 RLC fit 650b? If so hows the clearance? I want something that fits. Not something that barely works.

    Also is there a difference between the total length of a White bros 650b 120 and a FOX 26er 120? I can't seem to find any specs.

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    i have a few forks i've been playing w/ if it helps at all, #'s are from center of axle to bottom of crown race seating surface , measured carefully w/ a tape measure a few times each so the #'s while not 100% aerospace exact are pretty damn close

    white 130mm fluid 650b specific 20mm , 530mm

    05-06ish 145mm nixons in both qr & 20mm are the same at 517 maybe 518mm

    06 fox float rlc 130mm qr , 515 , reducing travel w/ the fox spacers by 20,30 or both for 50mm reduces the # accordingly w/ 50mm of spacers giving 80mm fork & a 465mm a/c #. this being said you could ASSUME that a fox 120mm would be 505mm , hopefully some else can verify that # w/ year and model of fork

    all these forks work w/ a 2.3 neo or nev on wtb laserdisc trails , the nixon having the most arch clearance and the wb the most tire to bottom of crown by just a smidgen , fox is the closest in both aspects but still very safe , not some little 1/4 or so , enough that i checked it w/ the schrader core removed and saw "more than enough"

    i have not accurately measured the difference in the offset in the nixon qr and 20mm versions but it is noticable to the eye and the feel of the bike changes , 20mm = more offset / less trail , the placement of the wb 20mm axle is more in line w/ the qr forks i have + the added ac length "choppers" the ha out a touch more adding even more trail

    as for the fox to wb difference for your particular 120mm question i cannot answer but was surprised by the 15mm difference in both of my "130mm" forks .

    the real shocker to me was the nixons at 145mm are almost the same as the fox 130 and 12/13mm less than the wb 130 that has 15mm less travel , hmm
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    White bros Loop 150 was reported to have a-c of 534mm by WB personnel, so at 120mm travel it should be 504. This is 2nd hand info so YMMV.
    I'm surprised by the short a-c of the Nixon too. How is that fork otherwise in terms of stiffness, damping quality, etc.?

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    nixon tpc damping is actually a little softer than what i prefer but they are SUPER plush and easily tuned w/ fluid viscosities , setting adjustments make a difference too . my spv version has an intermitent sticky spv valve which feels funny at top out but they work good otherwise , not as supple as the tpc stuff but climbs better , i'm going to "devolve" that fork .

    nixon stiffness is a double edged sword , the 20mm axle versions are very stiff down on that end - example : the front rotor does not ever rub on the nixons but on the wb 20mm if you are railing through a corner or pushing the front for traction in tight stuff it will, that tells me the lower end is stiffer on the nixon . they are fairly long forks w/ "only" 32mm stanchions so they flex a bit , not quite much as the fox at 130 but none are what i would call "a noodle".

    the axle on the wb fits like a %(&^%@#%**&*^^[email protected] pile of #^))*&[email protected] [email protected]@$#[email protected][email protected]#$$% , seems to be common and it's a shame cause they are really purdy , very usable but a bit of a pita .

    i do like the damping of the wb better but it took a bit to figure them out and they are VERY sensitive to pressure changes (keep a log), the most stiction though and the most flexy but strangely feel very good , well designed for sure other than that fackin axle issue . kinda like they flex in all the right ways & the rotor rub thing may be accentuated by me using 203mm rotors on my 130-145mm forks (fatty factor 5 & i like way too much brakes)

    the fox is pushed so it cannot be compared damping wise , at 130mm , flexy wise they are very much like the nixon qr but they have been put into service at reduced travel now on another bike and have become much like the brides reba , flexy wise that is

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    So....looks like the FOX 120 is 490mm and the WB 120 is 506mm. Axle to crown.

    Does it really matter for a El Bastardo 4" 650 frame? Concerned about geometry. I would expect the WB 650b fork to be a little shorter to compensate for the taller tires but I guess not.

    I like FOX forks but wonder if I should go with WB just because they are 650b specific. What do you think?

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    anybody know if 650b fits

    BOS Deville

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    Anyone know for sure about Manitou Shermans?

    What about the even older Manitou X-Verts? Those had really tall arches.

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    i THINK a sherman will work , not checked one yet but REALLY THINK it will

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    anybody know if 650b fits

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    yes to 150 exc, plenty of room

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    I finally got a chance to to fit my 650B wheel in a Suntour Epicon at a LBS. I think it was the 2011 model with 130mm travel, 9mm QR. I wasn't able to check if the crown would hit during full compression as the fork was a display and I couldn't possibly ask the shop to deflate it just to check
    I couldn't get a good angle, but the pic from the front is pretty clear. There's definitely sufficient arch clearance.
    I've been eyeing this as a cheap way to go back to suspension (been exclusively SS rigid for 3 years now).
    Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3 (tubes) on Velocity Blunt; not sure of tire pressure, maybe high 30s/low 40s.
    Hmmm...
    I received my epicon.
    I check completely deflate.
    Clearance between tire and crown is OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex63 View Post
    I received my epicon.
    I check completely deflate.
    Clearance between tire and crown is OK
    This is awesome news. Thanks for letting us know
    Would you happen to have photos?
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    This is awesome news. Thanks for letting us know
    Would you happen to have photos?
    Now i can send pics.
    This is my 8th reply

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    What is the general feeling about using a 29" fork for 650b? I am finding very little info on the matter.

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    You're basically sacrificing travel. Yipsan had a 650B bike at NAHBS a few years ago. He used a 29" Manitou. If you use a 29"80mm fork your a-c is similar to a 120mm 26 or 650b compatible fork.

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    OK. So it comes down to a2c length, there are no other offset/rake type issues.
    I am planning to convert a Turner Sultan to 650b based on the recommendations of a guy at Turner who claims DT is riding it this way and likes it. I just don't know wether or not to use a Reba 140 29 fork or an Xfusion vengeance converted to 130. I have both and the a2c is close.

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    Does anyone know if a Lyrik coil 160mm will fit 650b?
    thanks

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    Found this pic
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Official 650b fork thread-mojofendersfront-small.jpg  


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    does anyone know if the new Manitou Marvel Pro works? s*cks to have to ask, but i don't know anyone with a 650 wheel.
    thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by trekfueler View Post
    thanks for sharing; quite interesting reading, as i've been mostly lurking off and on since this forum started... (went 69'er for a while).

    so "off the shelf" right now (full suspension), only jamis, khs, and ventana? anyone else? (can't afford the eriksen).

    that (26") mojo HD running 650 hoops in the article sure looked nice-- wonder how "tight" that rear clearance is?
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    That's about it. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Ventana has stopped making the 650B specific El Bastardo, at least in it's present form. Hopefully it's because they are updating stuff to more current specs. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they did.

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    be prepared to buy in a heartbeat

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    You betcha. Details?

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    buzz around the campfire is that v will be building new 650b frames , call em

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    Sorry if this has been asked before but i couldn't find any info about it. I'm planning on converting my Cannondale to 650b, any one tried or have any insight on this:

    Fork: 2010 Fox 32 F100 RL ( O/B )
    Rims: Stans ZTR Crest 650b
    Tire: Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.25

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    Did you even attempt to find the info before asking the question?

    Go back to the FIRST page of this thread. Post #1 & #3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube View Post
    Did you even attempt to find the info before asking the question?

    Go back to the FIRST page of this thread. Post #1 & #3
    #1 post was last updated on 2008 so i *think* it doesn't apply to 2010 and later models, same with post #3.
    The reason why i asked is because all these later posts refer to bigger travel forks and not 100mm ones, a2c measurements should be the same but it doesn't hurt or offend to ask don't you think ?

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    Hello.

    Here some pics of sr-suntour epicon with racing ralph 2.25

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex63 View Post
    Hello.

    Here some pics of sr-suntour epicon with racing ralph 2.25



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    2007 Giant Antem Advanced frame / 2011 Fox FIT fork: Any good for 650 conversion?

    Any word on Giant Anthem FS frames? I have a 2007 Anthem Advanced carbon frame and a 2011 Fox FIT fork and wonder if I can re-use any of the 2.

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    So i take it a 26" 2011 Rockshox Reba RLT wont fit a 650b? Possibly with a 2.1 tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyclesnIPAs View Post
    So i take it a 26" 2011 Rockshox Reba RLT wont fit a 650b? Possibly with a 2.1 tire?
    Nope. Not with a 2.0 Quasi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berny2435 View Post
    Was taking some measurements today and I'm 99.9% sure that a 2010 Rockshox Lyric Solo Air with 170mm travel will clear 650B tires Crown doesn't compress below the arch and arch to center of 20mm axle is ~14" so allows up to 28" diameter tire.

    RockShox Lyrik RC2DH Suspension Fork Solo Air 26" 160mm White 1-1/8" on eBay!

    I'm thinkin about runnin a 650B on my 09 Titus El Guapo with front slacked out from OEM 68deg to 66.5deg with a cane creek angleset headset.

    Frame was designed for 160mm fork, going with a 650b and 170mm fork and movin the head angle by 1.5deg should move the wheel base out by about 3/4" which will give my L frame a wheelbase of a XL frame. Should be iaght
    Have you done this yet, pics of the rear tire clearance?

    -1.5 headset + 555mm axle to crown = -2 angle change on the head tube.. you will be in 65b territory

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    I've got my eye on RockShox (Recon Gold RL and Recon Gold TK). Can anyone tell why the later seems to have a stanchion that's more gold in hue compared to the former? Gold RL seems more like flat aluminum to me. Problem is they are a bit hard to find where I am. 2 separate outlets (an hour away) hold them so its really hard to compare both models at once.

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    I've seen a few posts of Marzocchi forks just fitting 650B one of a 2010 55 . Anyone know if a 2010 Marzocchi 44 RC3 Ti fits . I'm itching to try a zoke again to see if they have returned to form.

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    Marzocchi Mx Pro

    I saw a picture online of a 120mm Marzocchi Bomber Mx Pro taking a Neo-moto with good enough clearance.

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    Has anyone tried out a Magura MD80R?
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    Manitou Nixon 160 will easily fit a 2.25 racing ralph. Full compression, no air spring in, bottom out bumpers removed, no contact with crown, probably 2-3mm, meaning atleast a full 5mm or so assembled at full compression.
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    Did some tests on the DT Swiss EXC150 Carbon fork and the Boss Deville.

    DT clears up to 352 x 58 (2.3")

    Deville clears up to 356 x 61 (2.4")

    So a Pacenti 2.3 clears both and I believe the Pacenti Mega Moto might clear the Deville.

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    SR Suntour AXON RL RC

    Ok, so far you guys showed that the SR Suntour Epicon clears a 650b, but how about the AXON fork?
    I have one that I could use with a new frame I'm buying (On One Whippet), but I need to be sure It'll clear...

    link to the fork:

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    On-One Whippet 650b XC machine

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    Quote Originally Posted by trekfueler View Post
    That's about it. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Ventana has stopped making the 650B specific El Bastardo, at least in it's present form. Hopefully it's because they are updating stuff to more current specs. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they did.
    You want one they'll build you one. I'm building a Retrotech 650B hardtail & if I like it I'll have Ventana build a FS frame for me. I will admit to being a Ventana homer though.

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    Having read all these comments, it seems the longer travel DT forks work - but has anyone tried/able to try for me a 650b wheel in a DT XRC 100 Race World Champ edition fork?

    GB
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    2010 Reba with 20mm Maxle Lite - does it fit?

    I've got a 2010 Reba 120mm with 20mm Maxle Lite. So far the threads seem to say no go to the Reba, but that's 2009 and earlier, or no maxle.

    Anyone tried this fork with 650b?

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    I've also got a 2012 RS Reba RL Air and would like to know if it will work with 650B

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    I have been running a coil Lyrik for 3 years with Nevegal 2.35. It fits not problem,
    mud will rub the paint off, but under most conditions it works just fine.


    Quote Originally Posted by sas2 View Post
    Does anyone know if a Lyrik coil 160mm will fit 650b?
    thanks
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    I am wondering the same thing, looking at a 44, but want to know if it fits. Surprised to no one on here has tried one yet.


    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    I've seen a few posts of Marzocchi forks just fitting 650B one of a 2010 55 . Anyone know if a 2010 Marzocchi 44 RC3 Ti fits . I'm itching to try a zoke again to see if they have returned to form.
    Shut up and ride!

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    any success on a rs revelation or sektor with 1 1/8" steerer and 20mm thru-axle?
    I looked over the thread again and again and seems cant find a definate answer. :S

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    The list says Manitou R7 2006 is ok, what about R7 Mrd 2011? Someone who knew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    I'll start us off, and will constantly update this list.
    manitou R7 (2006 tested)
    The list says Manitou R7 2006 is ok, what about R7 Mrd 2011? Someone who knew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birddog99 View Post
    I have been running a coil Lyrik for 3 years with Nevegal 2.35. It fits not problem,
    mud will rub the paint off, but under most conditions it works just fine.
    They have the same lowers as the 2step air ones right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IDysterDimma View Post
    They have the same lowers as the 2step air ones right?
    I think they are the same, my coil fork has 2 Step uppers as a repair from RS
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    2009 Stumpy carbon HT

    I am pretty sure from hours reading that my 90mm Rock Shox SID Race won't cut it for a 650B conversion therefore does anyone know if I can successfully retrofit a 80mm Fox fork to the 1-1/8" to 1.5" Threadless, Campy style, cartridge bearing that is inserted into the bike headtube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blits View Post
    I've also got a 2012 RS Reba RL Air and would like to know if it will work with 650B
    Anyone answer this? I have a 2011 reba sl and really want to go 650b . What about using a lower knobbed tyre?
    Last edited by Nsynk; 04-14-2012 at 03:27 PM.

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    I am excited to learn more about the 2012/13 fresh crop of 650 specific fork offerings from Fox and others. Would like to see something in a 32-34mm stanchion 12-140 travel range and specific offset somewhere between 26er /35 mm and 29er 45 mm, say 42 mm for 650b. Hopefully, we will get the full specs from Fox at next Thursday's Sea Otter Expo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nsynk View Post
    Anyone answer this? I have a 2011 reba sl and really want to go 650b . What about using a lower knobbed tyre?
    About 5 pages back someone's says a 2011 reba rlt won't fit. So that answers the question as a resounding NO!
    Pity I have the one fork that does not fit 650b

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    No, it doesn't seem that the current Zokes fit without modification either.
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    Dusted off my 08 manitou minute 140 with 20mm thru axle. Shown with Neo 2.3. The tire will rub the crown if you manage to squeeze out the 10mm rubber bottom out bumper.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Official 650b fork thread-dscf0116.jpg  

    Last edited by gvs_nz; 04-21-2012 at 01:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    Dusted off my 08 manitou minute 140 with 20mm thru axle. Shown with Neo 2.3.
    was just about to ask that exact question
    Manitou Minute, MRD, Absolute, 140mm/20mm axle

    for a spares built Giant hardtail SS, would like to give 650B a go

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    I'm just trialling it on my Soma B side . A 130mm fork would have been better but it seems ok. Gives me a head angle of 68 degrees. I would prefer closer to 69 degrees. I've also got an ABS + cartridge to fit, which has great platform for SS riding.

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    68 sounds fine to me, don't think any of my bikes are over 68!

    kind of looking forward to riding a simple hardtail that's been slacked out
    i have a spare 20mm hub knocking around so may get it built up and just go 650b on the front for now

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    69 is a good neutral angle for 650B, especially for ss . 68 is getting on the slow side. Problems the seat tube unfortunately. It's gone back to about 70. I'm 6'2" so 71 to 72 is usually spot on for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    ....Problems the seat tube unfortunately. It's gone back to about 70. I'm 6'2" so 71 to 72 is usually spot on for me.
    slide your seat forward?
    if you really want to artificially increase your ST angle you could even turn your seatpost around

    downside of course is you are effectively shortening your TT

    i reckon the 140mm fork with low pressure will feel great

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    I'd just like to confirm -- all of the 26" Fox 15mm thru axles right now currently fit 650b, correct?

    Not sure I can wait for the new 650b specific fork, and I also need a straight taper. But excited for that fork, regardless.. I think 2013 is the year for 650b if you ask me. Very neat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselcruiserhead View Post
    I'd just like to confirm -- all of the 26" Fox 15mm thru axles right now currently fit 650b, correct?

    Not sure I can wait for the new 650b specific fork, and I also need a straight taper. But excited for that fork, regardless.. I think 2013 is the year for 650b if you ask me. Very neat...
    My 2011 Trek Fuel EX 9 came with a 2010 Fox 32 F-Series Fit RLC, E2 tapered steerer, 15QR thru axle, 120mm travel. Met a guy riding a Soma B-side and slapped his wheel (Blunt + Neo-Moto 2.3) onto my fork. The closest spot was about 5mm (sorry, no pics). Not sure if full compression would touch tire to crown. That's all I know. I'm getting a wheel built though, based solely on that.

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    I didn't see this anywhere else - higher end Suntour 650b fork coming out:

    Suntour Rebounds into High-End Market With New Forks

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    Quote Originally Posted by talabardio View Post
    I didn't see this anywhere else - higher end Suntour 650b fork coming out:

    Suntour Rebounds into High-End Market With New Forks
    I wonder what frame that it's on? One of those chinese carbon 26ers?
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    [QUOTESuntour Rebounds into High-End Market With New Forks[/QUOTE]

    The more the merrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talabardio View Post
    I didn't see this anywhere else - higher end Suntour 650b fork coming out:

    Suntour Rebounds into High-End Market With New Forks
    News has been out for a while now, but thanks for posting the Bike link.

    FWIW, the current line of Epicons actually fit 650B at the arch (some shimming probably required though, to reduce travel and ensure crown clearance on bottom out).
    Last edited by r1Gel; 04-26-2012 at 06:15 PM.
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    I realize the very first post in this huge thread says all Fox Forx work. However, I'm considering plunking down some decent cash on a bike with the sole intention of converting to a 650b so I will risk red chicklets and an onslaught of flames to say:

    If you could be so kind to indulge me... can anyone confirm this fork works:

    Fox F100X, 100mm travel (came stock on a 2007 Cannondale Rush 3z).

    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    I'll start us off, and will constantly update this list.

    Forks that work out of the box:
    WhiteBrothers 650b forks
    2008 Fox RLC/FX
    Any 29" Suspension fork
    Any Rigid fork with a AC longer than 360mm
    manitou R7 (2006 tested)
    All Fox Forx (some forks may rub so slightly on the bottom of the crown if all the air is removed)
    2015 Trek Stache 7 SS
    2015 Cannondale Bad Habit
    2015 Niner RLT

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    Are their any Marzocchi forks that work with 650b

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    Previous posts say no on the Zokes

    I measured a 44ti for sale and it was too short
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    650b is ghey

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    Quote Originally Posted by trekfueler View Post
    My 2011 Trek Fuel EX 9 came with a 2010 Fox 32 F-Series Fit RLC, E2 tapered steerer, 15QR thru axle, 120mm travel. Met a guy riding a Soma B-side and slapped his wheel (Blunt + Neo-Moto 2.3) onto my fork. The closest spot was about 5mm (sorry, no pics). Not sure if full compression would touch tire to crown. That's all I know. I'm getting a wheel built though, based solely on that.
    awesome, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandyeggo View Post
    I realize the very first post in this huge thread says all Fox Forx work. However, I'm considering plunking down some decent cash on a bike with the sole intention of converting to a 650b so I will risk red chicklets and an onslaught of flames to say:

    If you could be so kind to indulge me... can anyone confirm this fork works:

    Fox F100X, 100mm travel (came stock on a 2007 Cannondale Rush 3z).
    According to this blog, the 2.3 NeoMoto just buzzes the F100X fork crown at full compression.
    Black Mountain Cycles: 650B Conversion...

    It's probably fine for most riding and might just buzz for a second on hard landings, and it's probably fine once the tire wears a little bit.

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    All Fox forks have the potential for crown buzzing or more, depending on if you go past the rated travel (then again, most fox users never even see the full rated travel without voodoo or soul selling being involved so maybe that's why not many have ever complained about it on 650B conversions) as they only rate them to a maximum diameter tire of 27" on the 32s and 27.3" on the 36/40s.

    I have personally managed to get an F80X to push past the 80mm rating to 82mm of travel and in the process produced a rather loud tire buzz using a NeoMoto 2.35 tire when spinning by hand just in the repair stand. Had I been riding it with weight over the front end, it would have been endo city. I reported that fact in this thread months ago. I got called a liar essentially because there was no photographs to back up my claim. Well there in that Black Mountain Cycles blog is a photo of exactly what I was talking about.
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    To add a fork confirmation, the early 2000s Rockshox Judy forks (2001+) when they went to the big swoopy brace lowers, clear a NeoMoto 2.35 under the arch and under the crown (but with only about 1mm to spare at full compression).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    All Fox forks have the potential for crown buzzing or more, depending on if you go past the rated travel (then again, most fox users never even see the full rated travel without voodoo or soul selling being involved so maybe that's why not many have ever complained about it on 650B conversions) as they only rate them to a maximum diameter tire of 27" on the 32s and 27.3" on the 36/40s.

    I have personally managed to get an F80X to push past the 80mm rating to 82mm of travel and in the process produced a rather loud tire buzz using a NeoMoto 2.35 tire when spinning by hand just in the repair stand. Had I been riding it with weight over the front end, it would have been endo city. I reported that fact in this thread months ago. I got called a liar essentially because there was no photographs to back up my claim. Well there in that Black Mountain Cycles blog is a photo of exactly what I was talking about.
    I let the air out of my F100X fork, and I did get full compression. I don't have a 650b wheel/tire to test it, but the crown does travel significantly below the arch. A 26x2.2 tire has about 1/2" clearance at full compression, so it looks like a 650b tire would rub. I could set it up so that I don't get full compression, but that might compromise performance somewhat.

    The F100X manual says max axle to tread should not exceed 343mm. The Neo-Moto 2.35 is 352mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    According to this blog, the 2.3 NeoMoto just buzzes the F100X fork crown at full compression.
    Black Mountain Cycles: 650B Conversion...

    It's probably fine for most riding and might just buzz for a second on hard landings, and it's probably fine once the tire wears a little bit.

    My Fox Float 130 buzzed several times yesterday upon landing jumps. So there's no way to control the travel?

    Seems pretty unsafe to me so I'll stop using this combo.

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    p.s. I should be one of the first in the country to get the 34 mm stanchion 650b 160mm travel fork by Fox. But they just told me that's going to be a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    My Fox Float 130 buzzed several times yesterday upon landing jumps. So there's no way to control the travel?

    Seems pretty unsafe to me so I'll stop using this combo.

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    p.s. I should be one of the first in the country to get the 34 mm stanchion 650b 160mm travel fork by Fox. But they just told me that's going to be a while...

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    Is that the MegaMoto tire up front? If so, that's probably why.

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    Rockshox Totem is a go

    650B isn't commonly available in South Africa, so when I heard the LBS down the road from my office had a set on a bike there, I had to go and try it on my bike.

    Here are some pic I took of the clearance with a 2.25 Racing Ralph on a RockShox Totem

    Didn't really get a chance to test out the rear as I have a thru-axle and the wheelset there had a QR. Looks like it will be tight (on a 2008 GT Sanction, now to save up and get a set)
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    My Fox Float 130 buzzed several times yesterday upon landing jumps. So there's no way to control the travel?



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    Can't really confirm this but i've been told from the manufacturer that German:A Xcite X-Ray and Xcite Criterion/+ are both 650b capable but only the carbon models ( i think they are specific 650b models and not that ALL of the forks are 650b compatible ).

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    For those who are running a Fox fork, can you put a travel reducer to avoid this problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    My Fox Float 130 buzzed several times yesterday upon landing jumps. So there's no way to control the travel?

    Seems pretty unsafe to me so I'll stop using this combo.

    <img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-qmPEaOK9POA/T6f2i4WG9rI/AAAAAAAABos/gZuO08mqYRM/s800/DSC_0007.JPG">

    p.s. I should be one of the first in the country to get the 34 mm stanchion 650b 160mm travel fork by Fox. But they just told me that's going to be a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecycleclinic View Post
    Are their any Marzocchi forks that work with 650b
    My 2009 55R Clear easily with 2.3 neo moto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    Easy, put a rubber bumper in the spring shaft between the lowers and the stanchion.

    I haven't seen the fork internals, but I'm positive it can be done.
    Easier to put oil into the air chamber until it cuts into the travel. May make it too progressive for you, but I think it's hard to notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummercat View Post
    My 2009 55R Clear easily with 2.3 neo moto.
    Thats cause its a FR / DH fork meant to run big meaty twenty sixers.
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    I have a Marz 66 and it easily fits the nevegal 650b on my reign x

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    Quote Originally Posted by team_hink_racing View Post
    The list says Manitou R7 2006 is ok, what about R7 Mrd 2011? Someone who knew?
    i'm trying to lighten my bike, so i'm looking for a 650b-friendly alternative to a SID, since they say RS arches won't clear. the R7 MRD looks like my best bet, so i just went thru the whole thread and hit control-f for "r7" on each page. see posts 185 and 378. looks like the manitou will handle 650b tires up to 2.0 or 2.1 inches wide.
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    2012 Dt Swiss EXM 150 with Neo 2.3 on a Blunt. Clearance is 3mm compare to 8mm on my Fox forks. On a crest it gives an extra mm at 4mm.Still suffering from stiction but otherwise it feels pretty good. Open bath, unlike the XMM forks, so wil be easier to dial in. It was going cheap so it looks like there will be more changes for 2013[including 650B lowers?]

    Bucket loads stiffer cornering than a Float 140 15Qr and noticeably stiffer in the rough stuff than Rev 150 15 QR. Crown looks as though it would just clear. At 145mm travel I hit the bottom out bumper and it looks like there is about 6mm clearance. It's close.
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    Does anybody know if a 2001 Marzocchi X-Fly 100mm fit a 650b front tire?

    It looks like there is enough room judging by the space available with my 26" wheel?

    Anybody try this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    2012 Dt Swiss EXM 150 with Neo 2.3 on a Blunt. Clearance is 3mm compare to 8mm on my Fox forks. Still suffering from stiction but otherwise it feels pretty good. Open bath, unlike the XMM forks, so wil be easier to dial in. It was going cheap so it looks like there will be more changes for 2013[including 650B lowers?]

    Bucket loads stiffer cornering than a Float 140 15Qr and noticeably stiffer in the rough stuff than Rev 150 15 QR. Crown looks as though it would just clear. At 145mm travel I hit the bottom out bumper and it looks like there is about 6mm clearance. It's close.
    I've measured a XMM 140. The one I measured had 0.5mm less tire clearance than the EXM150.

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    I'm currently piecing together a jamis sixfifty b2 build. I'll be running a Fox Talas 32 R fork and plan to run Kenda Nevegal tires

    According to the very first post, all fox forks should clear 650b wheels/tires? anyone confirm?
    I'll do a measurement of my fork just to make sure too

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    My 2012 Fox 32 RLC clears like a champ. No issues.
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    So I am looking at building a custom steel 650b - the problem seems to be that there are no nice lighter weight 100mm 650b forks out there. All the new forks are longer travel, tapered and weigh over 4#'s. Any suggestions?

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    Hmmm the new Maguras should be pretty light, you have the Lefty's and if you live in Europe you might want to check the german:A Xcite ( carbon lowers only ). Those are all 3#'s forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloated_rd_kill View Post
    So I am looking at building a custom steel 650b - the problem seems to be that there are no nice lighter weight 100mm 650b forks out there. All the new forks are longer travel, tapered and weigh over 4#'s. Any suggestions?
    A 100mm 29er fork has the same A-C height as a 120mm 650b fork, so you could use the 100mm 29er fork on a 650b frame designed for 120mm. I'm thinking of doing this on a 650b Dragon frame.

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    RST Titan air fork has the minimum of brace clearance to clear a new neo-moto 2.35 but does much better in crown clearance with a good 5mm to spare at full travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlam86 View Post
    I'm currently piecing together a jamis sixfifty b2 build. I'll be running a Fox Talas 32 R fork and plan to run Kenda Nevegal tires

    According to the very first post, all fox forks should clear 650b wheels/tires? anyone confirm?
    I'll do a measurement of my fork just to make sure too
    It was assumed so at the time but no, they don't. Brace clearance they have fine, but crown clearance is what can injure you. I have personally seen a neomoto buzzing the crown of an float 80 and 100 models. I think whorever made that first post is one of many who have never experienced full travel from a fox fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    It was assumed so at the time but no, they don't. Brace clearance they have fine, but crown clearance is what can injure you. I have personally seen a neomoto buzzing the crown of an float 80 and 100 models. I think whorever made that first post is one of many who have never experienced full travel from a fox fork.
    I can confirm this. I've buzzed the crown on my float 130 with the neo-moto. It took quite a lot to do it but it's happened twice for certain and probably a couple other times..
    It required a large drop (for that fork) or a big compression and it didn't actually cause a problem but it did make some noise.

    So, it's a caveat for any looking to use that fork. That said it doesn't change how I ride at all.
    fwiw, I run my fork pretty active & soft for my weight ~175lb so my experience would likely lean to the worst case side of the envelope.

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    It has been in the fox manuals for seven years now that the maximum safe tire diameter of a 32mm leg model is 27.0". That is three years longer than we have had 650b mtb tires available to us. Its not some conspiracy to prevent people adopting 650b wheels by fox.
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    Even fully decompressed my Fox F32 doesn't rub so i'm one of the lucky ones. Still going to change it to a "real" 650b fork as soon the new Magura's are available, the damper on the Fox is a joke compared to other systems ( bit spoiled by my lefty ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    I've measured a XMM 140. The one I measured had 0.5mm less tire clearance than the EXM150.
    Have you tried the XMM120 by any chance ? I wanted to get a "light" 120mm fork ( QR cause i don't wanna switch hubs ) and have a good deal on one.

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    Tried a search--nada.

    RS Dart3?

    Trying to get the best of both worlds.....

    Take my existing ride (Speshy RH 26er) and upgrade to a 650b in the front.
    Funds are low for a new bike so I figured I'd see about making my current one better!

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    No on a dart or tora or recon. They lack brace clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Have you tried the XMM120 by any chance ? I wanted to get a "light" 120mm fork ( QR cause i don't wanna switch hubs ) and have a good deal on one.
    Sorry I haven't but the official max tire diameter of 690 mm is the same for all XM and EX models. That's from the hand book and specs on the DT Swiss website.

    I liked the EXM so much I took the plunge on a XMM 140 and a XMM120 29er twin shot forks. I run them way under recommended pressure like I do with Fox forks and they are great. Two had a lot of seal and bushing stiction and are still breaking them in. The rebound lock out for lowering the fork on climbs is very good. Top notch finish as well. I've heard of some reliabilty problems with the rebound lockout? We'll see. So far very happy. Magura's look like a better option for self service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    Sorry I haven't but the official max tire diameter of 690 mm is the same for all XM and EX models. That's from the hand book and specs on the DT Swiss website.

    I liked the EXM so much I took the plunge on a XMM 140 and a XMM120 29er twin shot forks. I run them way under recommended pressure like I do with Fox forks and they are great. Two had a lot of seal and bushing stiction and are still breaking them in. The rebound lock out for lowering the fork on climbs is very good. Top notch finish as well. I've heard of some reliabilty problems with the rebound lockout? We'll see. So far very happy. Magura's look like a better option for self service.
    My first option is/was the Magura's but they are quite steep in price and i can get the XMM120 ( Single Shot ) for half the price of one Magura. The only thing that keeps me from buying the DT Swiss is that everyone who owns one keeps saying that they're very high maintenance to keep running well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    No on a dart or tora or recon. They lack brace clearance.
    i have a Tora 318, so thanks for throwing in that tidbit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    My first option is/was the Magura's but they are quite steep in price and i can get the XMM120 ( Single Shot ) for half the price of one Magura. The only thing that keeps me from buying the DT Swiss is that everyone who owns one keeps saying that they're very high maintenance to keep running well.
    Yeh I'm crossing my fingers on that point. Originally I was only going to get the EXM as it's open bath and easy to service. But they were so stiff and had a great action I couldn't resist the good deals on the XMM's. I'm not happy running only 7 mls of oil in the lowers so I added another 10mls and a bit more above the air piston too.

    Just note my XMM 120 29er has quite a bit more compression damping than my XMM140. Has a very xc feel to it. So the XMM 120 26 may be similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    Yeh I'm crossing my fingers on that point. Originally I was only going to get the EXM as it's open bath and easy to service. But they were so stiff and had a great action I couldn't resist the good deals on the XMM's. I'm not happy running only 7 mls of oil in the lowers so I added another 10mls and a bit more above the air piston too.

    Just note my XMM 120 29er has quite a bit more compression damping than my XMM140. Has a very xc feel to it. So the XMM 120 26 may be similar?
    After reading the Technical Datasheet i noticed that they all share the same max tire diameter, might buy one. You tested clearance with a Neo-Moto and i should have a bit more leeway since i'll be using the RaRa.

    I'm a bit concerned with the damping as you're not the first saying that they have quite a bit more damping than usual and since you cannot adjust it on the Single Shot version, i'm afraid they'll feel too stiff to me since i'm a lightweight.

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    That's why I run them at 50 to 55 psi instead of the recommend 85 psi. I think some of the feel is also to do with the ABS auto air balancing sytem.The EXM 150 is nice and smooth at that pressure. More support than Fox but less spiking than a Rockshox Revelation RLti. The XMM 140 is smooth over small terrain and anything in low speed comp range. It ramps up in high speed compression and feels similar to RS Rev as far as spiking over the fsat stuff. The XMM 120 29er is still pretty firm at that pressure but it still has much more seal drag than the others at the moment. I'm hoping it will end up closer to the xmm 140, but I still like it.
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    But with that pressure won't it have some pretty serious brake dive ? Or is it pretty controlled ?

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    No that's the amazing thing about the ride. They sit very high in their travel. With the XMM 140 and EXM 150 I have to set the bars 10mm lower than on my F140 and Rev 150. At low pressure they have a plush but very controlled feel. The ABS let them sit high through the mid stroke then ease in to full travel. In case you get crown / tire contact, you'll probably have to run higher pressures with 650B/120mm of travel.On my XMM 120 29er, I use all the travel, but it still stops 5mm short at the bottom out bumper. I've never bottomed the XMM 140 but I'm sure the bottom out bumper will pul them up short. Fox forks bottom out bumper is minimal in size and not very effective.I suspect the XMM one is quite large like the Manitou ones.

    I took the XMM 120 29ers out for another ride today and, after 3 rides, they have now loosened up to very close to the XMM 140's. Out of the box they were just about locked solid and I've only now been able to use any rebound damping. They're now starting to feel really good and I have started adding more air. I suspect when they are fully broken in I will probably be riding closer to 65 psi.

    Twentynineinches.com did a review of the XMM 100 29er and came to the same conclusion about running at low pressure. Not often I agree with them. 2013 they are changing the oil for better cold climate riding, new fork seals and carbon steerers on all the tapered twin shot models. With very few changes, the 2012 closeouts are a bargain.

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    Yeah i think i'll bite the bullet and order one this week, kinda tired of my Fox ( OB ) chronic brake dive.

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    Good luck.Hope the Single Shot is ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    To add a fork confirmation, the early 2000s Rockshox Judy forks (2001+) when they went to the big swoopy brace lowers, clear a NeoMoto 2.35 under the arch and under the crown (but with only about 1mm to spare at full compression).
    What about a Duke SL? They both look like they use essentially the same lowers.

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    I'm thinking of building a 650b hardtail and I'd like to use a Fox with the build. It doesn't look like Fox is releasing any short travel (80-100mm) 650b forks for 2013, though. Would I gain much by waiting a year or two until they release the proper fork, or would I do just as well to use a Fox Float 32-100 26er fork?
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    I haven't had any trouble with my float 32/100 and can run as big a tire as I would ever want to on my ht (Nevegal 2.35). I don't see the point in waiting.

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    Yeah i use a Fox fork, no problems using it with large tires up to 2.3 in size, above that there's some crown rubbing but nothing like a small shim/spacer doesn't fix.

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    Interesting ...



    2013 Torpado nearco 27.5'', notice the fork ? It seems Formula 33 ( at least the 15mm version ) is compatible with 650b ?

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    Wow, sexy bike!

    This deserves its own post
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    The 2012 Vengeance clears the 650b x 2.3 Neo-moto by 6 or 7mm at the arch with more of a gap to the crown when bottomed.

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    Hello. Ive been searching the thread and I haven't found all that much about Fox 36 forks. Its been said that ALL Fox forks work yet some have rub. So, can someone tell me if a 2012 Fox 36 will work.
    One thing I need to get cleared up is, are most of the measurements done with Neo moto tires? There are lots of new tires out and soo many rims to choose from. Are there some to stay way from? Currently I have Charger Pro wheels with 2.5 Maxxis DHF up front and I'm pleased with it. I don't know if this helps any.

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    What about a manitou minute guys?
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    Wonderful. Thinking of converting, not sure what to get.

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    that TORPADO is sick! Is it the same frame as the generic carbon one from the asian dealers?

    Also, I see fox are gonna make only 160mm 650b forks in 2013. Would a 26er fox 32 rlc fit 100mm work with 650b wheels?

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    Well, I just tried a rs sektor 2012, 20mm TA, it clears a neomoto 2.35 by 3mm or so at the arc, no idea about the crown.

    Last edited by drummercat; 07-30-2012 at 06:26 AM.

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    DUKE SL Clearance

    Duke fits (barely). I own both the SL and the Race. NeoMoto (2.3) too close a fit for comfort (will rub at full compression w/out spacers installed). If you run Duke, I suggest you use a Quasi, or you can probably space-out the fork internally.
    For Pics see the classic Salsa Mojo post by mtbr 650b user: lml1x or I've posted my Brodie 1Ball SS on a Duke Race w/U-Turn and think I've posted Sinister Mustang w/Duke SL. I know others have posted their bike's Dukes if you search forum

    Quote Originally Posted by drelyt View Post
    What about a Duke SL? They both look like they use essentially the same lowers.

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    2012 manitou minute expert: works

    no caliper here at the house, but looks to be about 4 mil on a 2.10 nev on a P-35 rim. took all the air out, jumped up and down on it with all 135 pounds i have at my disposal, and i can't see this thing bottoming out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by loose chain View Post
    2012 manitou minute expert: works

    no caliper here at the house, but looks to be about 4 mil on a 2.10 nev on a P-35 rim. took all the air out, jumped up and down on it with all 135 pounds i have at my disposal, and i can't see this thing bottoming out.
    This leaves me to wonder how the Marvel will fit with the new crown and arch...
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    Latest 2013 Suntour Epicon X1 will fit, it clears both arc and crown. it`s a 2.35 neo-moto. clearance is about 4mm. yo can still see the stanchion, but I cant squeeze it anymore, the bottom out bumper is very hard....


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    This is awesome. Thanks for posting that.
    I'm considering this fork to replace my WB RockSolid. It's been nice and ridiculously light (and efficient) but I'm starting to long for comfort
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    So a Fox 32RL 150mm would work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aviator35 View Post
    So a Fox 32RL 150mm would work?
    I have a 32RL 150 and have taken some measurements with it fully compressed:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/xy2jzym4fcq2u4s/fork.jpg

    You can use this tire size chart to get an idea of which tires will work:

    650B / 27.5" Tire Specs

    Please keep in mind that I did reduce my travel to 145mm by changing pin locations internally. I have been told that it is very hard to bottom out this fork, but I am a big boy (210 lbs) and I like my grill the way it is.

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    Thanks man, really appreciate that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aviator35 View Post
    Thanks man, really appreciate that!
    Your welcome. I have some 20mm spacers on the way and I plan on reducing the travel to 130mm. I will let you know if that changes the measurements. I really want to run 650b, so I am trying to get all my ducks in a row before I get an expensive wheelset made.

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    650b XC forks for 2013

    For Official 650b XC forks for 2013, it looks like Manitou and Suntour will be offering a whole series of XC compatible forks at various price points, Formula has a new "35" (35mm stanchions) 650b fork that looks great, in theory Magura will have 100mm forks towards the end of the year, and RockShox has the new 120mm forks that I believe can be adjusted to 100mm.

    Last edited by talabardio; 09-02-2012 at 03:09 PM. Reason: added pic

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzer103 View Post
    Hello. Ive been searching the thread and I haven't found all that much about Fox 36 forks. Its been said that ALL Fox forks work yet some have rub. So, can someone tell me if a 2012 Fox 36 will work.
    One thing I need to get cleared up is, are most of the measurements done with Neo moto tires? There are lots of new tires out and soo many rims to choose from. Are there some to stay way from? Currently I have Charger Pro wheels with 2.5 Maxxis DHF up front and I'm pleased with it. I don't know if this helps any.
    I am interested in the fox36 clearance too. Anyone tested it, and up to what tire size?

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    Anybody tried a rockshox Sektor Rl coil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatOldGoat View Post
    Anybody tried a rockshox Sektor Rl coil?
    2013 seems no go. 350mm I measure axle centre to arch, 15mm TA.

    2012 15mm and 20mm TA version will clear just fine.

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    New Manitou Forks for 650b


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    Anybody tried a reba rl 120m 2012???
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    RS Reba fork compatible?

    Hey folks,
    Thanks for all the info & advice - sincerely appreciated!

    Anyone know if my current 26er Trek Fuel EX 9 with Rock Shox Reba fork able to upgraded to a 650b please?

    Cheers from Jozi,

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