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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxbat View Post
    Since this seems to be the de-factor Mondraker hangout here on MTBR so you'll have to excuse cross forum nature of the question:

    Has anyone ridden a Crafty yet? I ask as there are no reviews yet but they have been on sale for a little while. Following the short travel yet aggressive geometry 29'er trend, I'm curious to see how the forward geometry approach works with the 29'er wheelsize. The size medium with a 464mm reach has a 1205m wheelbase which looks looooong on paper (the BMC Trailfox in size large is 1200 by comparison) but I assume Mondraker did their homework on this one.
    Just posted a topic in 29er forum on the Crafty with a vid.

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    Hey Maverick,

    Yes agreed, the Carbon Summun looks like summthing for sure. They have done a very nice job on that.

    Hey Mav, are we all still okay for March mate? Just trying to make contact with you, especial now that we are in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristecom View Post
    Give link to said thread. And pics please! [/QUOTE

    ....in a few days time, need to get some shots.
    Congrats on the new bike...I'm going to second the call for pics!
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    Hey guys,

    I'm thinking about getting a foxy, but have heard the bearing life is not that great. Anyone got experience of this? I am in the U.K and ride in mud for most of the year

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    hi guys, im want to buy foxy but dont know about zero suspension system, for climbing which one is better zero suspension or maestro? thanks for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by pujetta View Post
    hi guys, im want to buy foxy but dont know about zero suspension system, for climbing which one is better zero suspension or maestro? thanks for sharing
    I've got zero suspension and I find it climbs really well on smooth terrain...not had the chance to try yet on techy climbs since it's fairly new to me. Not sure how it compares.

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by pujetta View Post
    hi guys, im want to buy foxy but dont know about zero suspension system, for climbing which one is better zero suspension or maestro? thanks for sharing
    My understanding is that the foxy (and dune) uses standardised 6900 series bearings (x6) and 6000 series bearings (x2).

    So if oem bearings wear you can replace with other quality bearings (eg enduro) using same specs.

    So bearing life shouldn't be the deciding factor in buying the foxy as this is a wear item that can be pressed out and replaced.

    I have read that the 2015 models come with better quality bearings, though don't know what.

    This is my understanding, can someone confirm or clarify?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    My pump is not right either so I set the shock by feeling. With a smooth bump compliance, the shock was too deep into the travel, making the ride harsh after successive fast bumps. Adding the volume reducer for my weight and aggressive ride style, I am extremely happy with the Fox CTD Shock. Unless I start riding downhill parks more than once a year, the bike is perfect for my trails.
    Finally pulled the shock off to clean & check bearings. On pulling apart I found it already had a spacer installed, interestingly also had a custom tune sticker with code #.

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    hi guys, first of all sorry my bad english. I leave you some pics of my Foxy XR 2014 custom built from Spain (interestingly the company is just 30 km from my house).

    Pike 150mm, RShox monarch plus, Ztr arch ex wheels with Hope pro evo 2 & DT240 hubs, On off carbon handlebar, on off stoic 30mm stem, XT brakes and transmission...


    I've had a lot of bikes in the latest years (blur lt2, mondraker dune 2010 & 2011, stumpjumper 2010, mondraker foxy 2013, tallboy LT, ibis mojo hd and now this), and this foxy is the best bike I've ever ride. It's super versatile, climbs and pedals like most a 100-120mm bikes, and when the trail goes down it's very capable. One bike for do everything. here there are a lot of foxys & dunes, but many people prefer other brands like specialized, trek or santa cruz, but in my opinion this foxy is better than them all in operation.

    I'll follow the thread and will comment more things

    I put too a pic of a foxy carbon (not mine, belongs to a friend)

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    and now a few pics in action

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    Fab

    Any news on the carbon Dune?

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    and finally some pics last summer in a visit to the company to test the new foxy carbon

    best regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Fab

    Any news on the carbon Dune?
    in progress jejejeje, I think in a few months will be presented

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    stoney, nice pics, keep them coming.

    Since your near the factory can you go and steal a Dune carbon

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudos100 View Post
    Hey guys,

    I'm thinking about getting a foxy, but have heard the bearing life is not that great. Anyone got experience of this? I am in the U.K and ride in mud for most of the year
    I cannot comment on bearings, as I only have my Foxy 2014 for a few months now and I'm also living in Greece where mud is not realy an issue. But generaly OEM built Mondraker bikes are not a very good value for money in terms of price/quality of parts installed. I got a base model on a cracking deal and then swaped practically everything but the frame. But for an asking price of 2500eur I find it really poor that the OEM build had elixir1 brakes, x5 shifters, non clutch long cage deraullier, heavy x5 casette, 1 1/8 fork in a tapered headtube with an adapter that weighted a ton but most shockingly a nasty free ball bearing headset that started leaking rusty water after few washes. So, I guess you pay for the brilliant frame which trully is a gem. My general impression is that Mondraker as a company tries to save every penny with cheap oem parts. So if enyone buys a frame only for 2000-2500eur my suggestion would be to invest a 50eur more for a quality set of replacement bearings and have a piece of mind. My 5 cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    I cannot comment on bearings, as I only have my Foxy 2014 for a few months now and I'm also living in Greece where mud is not realy an issue. But generaly OEM built Mondraker bikes are not a very good value for money in terms of price/quality of parts installed. I got a base model on a cracking deal and then swaped practically everything but the frame. But for an asking price of 2500eur I find it really poor that the OEM build had elixir1 brakes, x5 shifters, non clutch long cage deraullier, heavy x5 casette, 1 1/8 fork in a tapered headtube with an adapter that weighted a ton but most shockingly a nasty free ball bearing headset that started leaking rusty water after few washes. So, I guess you pay for the brilliant frame which trully is a gem. My general impression is that Mondraker as a company tries to save every penny with cheap oem parts. So if enyone buys a frame only for 2000-2500eur my suggestion would be to invest a 50eur more for a quality set of replacement bearings and have a piece of mind. My 5 cents...
    Yeah free ball bearing headsets today are unacceptable.

    However 2015 alloy frames now come with FSA sealed bearing headsets, not the 2014 onoff free bearing headsets.

    My 2015 alloy frame has sealed headset

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfstone View Post
    and now a few pics in action

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    ...Snip...
    Love those trails with all the gnarly rocks!

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    Anybody else getting tyre buzz on their seat tube? I was surprised by this since I'm running 26 at the back at the moment.

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    It's sad but the relation price/quality of the components it's too bad in the major part of brands, you only have to see specialized, trek, etc...

    Maybe giant, cube and a few more are the exceptions

    But the good new is that this has easy solution

    If I could fly...


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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

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    Love those trails with all the gnarly rocks!
    Thanks, I really love too

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    I bought the Mondraker Foxy Carbon R.
    I switched the fork for a Pike 160mm. I added one token, and I set the fork with 25% sag. The original Fox fork, the damper was too weak for my weight.

    I modified the shock by adding the biggest spacer and setting the sag at 30%. The original spacer was too linear for my weight.
    I weight 200 lbs with equipment. The bike rides like a dream now. Waiting for some wide carbon rims now.
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    Did adding the token make a big difference?

    thanks,

    dave

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    I think it does for heavier or aggressive riders. More progression added to the shock and the fork for better middle control. Otherwise, it feels too wallow. For lighter guys it doesn't, it will feel too stiff.

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    Did adding the token make a big difference?

    thanks,

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    I might do that. I am about 205 and I ride my bikes very stiff. the Float I had on my other bike was not very good and it felt like I had to pump it up to the max or I would go through the travel too quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    I might do that. I am about 205 and I ride my bikes very stiff. the Float I had on my other bike was not very good and it felt like I had to pump it up to the max or I would go through the travel too quickly.
    If you are 205 you definitely need to do that. You will be happy. I had the same problem before adding the token to the shock.

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    my weight is similar (88 kgs/200 lbs with clothes, helmet, etc...) and everybody recommends me to put a token in the pike. But it works so well than I continue without tokens. I take whole travel but don`t have problems with stoppers

    The shock is a monarch plus that works perfectly, the change from fox has been incredible.

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    Hi all,

    I've had my 2014 Foxy XR for 6 months and so far I love it. Already upgraded the forks to Pikes and just ordered a Monarch Plus RC3 with Debonair from Jenson as per the link below:

    Rockshox Monarch Plus RC3 With Debonair > Components > Rear Shocks > Shock Bodies | Jenson USA

    Now it hasn't arrived yet but I was just reading through this thread and saw others mention that the shock has to be a "low" tune for the Foxy. I didn't even know this was an option and there was no such option when I ordered mine.

    So.... any idea what tune it's likely to be off the shelf?

    And, if it's not already low is it straightforward to change with some sort of kit?

    How badly would it affect the performance if it was say medium?

    I am 74Kg, in case that's relevant.

    Thanks in advance....

    Al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Now it hasn't arrived yet but I was just reading through this thread and saw others mention that the shock has to be a "low" tune for the Foxy. I didn't even know this was an option and there was no such option when I ordered mine.

    So.... any idea what tune it's likely to be off the shelf?

    The stock tune for the MP+ is M/M. I rebuilt my Monarch+ to L/L this fall, and it was quite straightforward, provided possession of the right tools, schraeder adapter for the IFP chamber, and a vice with aluminum soft jaws.

    See one of my earlier post on this issue, in this thread.

    The remaining thing is to figure out how many volume spacers I need in the positive chamber on the MP+. There is a volume spacer in the L/L tuned CTD which comes with the frame.

    Theoretically, the stock M/M tube will make the ride somewhat harder in the beginning of the stroke, at least, but will not need so many volume spacer bands to avoid bottoming out. I dont't ride hard, so i think I'll be fine with the low tune. I haven't used the Foxy much after rebuild.


    I did cut of 3 mm off the blue LC lever, to avoid having it crash into the frame while in the 'M' position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfstone View Post
    my weight is similar (88 kgs/200 lbs with clothes, helmet, etc...) and everybody recommends me to put a token in the pike. But it works so well than I continue without tokens. I take whole travel but don`t have problems with stoppers

    The shock is a monarch plus that works perfectly, the change from fox has been incredible.
    What sag do you run in your pike? With the token I run 25% or a little higher. Without the token 20% or less.
    The float shock with the biggest token, I run 30% as recommended. With the stock token I was running about 17%.

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    The shock tune recommended to the foxy is M, as Oysteins says

    I think in the pike I run around 20-25%, I don't know exactly because I prefer to guide by my sensations. Around 20-25%, I think

    Maybe with 1 token I would like more, but at the moment I'll stay it without tokens jejejeje

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

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    Wow looks gorgeous.... Just want to pick one up and take

    Do you work for mondraker?

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    noo, just pay attention at their Facebook

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    Thanks for the replies.

    Quote Originally Posted by jfstone View Post
    The shock tune recommended to the foxy is M, as Oysteins says
    I'm not sure that what Oysteins said, or I'm misunderstanding. He said the stock tune for the Monarch was M/M, i.e. off the shelf.

    The preferred tune for the Foxy is L/L. Is this correct?

    I've been googling all morning (instead of working) try to find information on this, I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject so bear with me.

    How do you know what sort a tune a particular bike requires? Is it based on the leverage ratio? I've been trying to find the specs for the foxy but can't.

    Also, how would you know when riding that it isn't correct? I'd guess that having the sag set to 30% (Mondrakers recommendation) that you don't use all of the travel even on big hits. Is this correct?


    To change from M/M to L/L is it just a case of removing some shims? Are there instructions somewhere for doing this? Or is it better to send to a suspension specialist. I've used Teken in Melbourne to have shocks rebuilt in the past.

    Thanks again for your patience.

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    Got my wheels today. Atomik carbon and Kappius hubs. Built by Dusty at hubsessed. Thank god I paid the majority of the price before the canadian dollar really tanked in the last 2 weeks. Just waiting for my cranks and then she will be done!Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5-img_0777.jpgMondraker Foxy XR 27.5-img_0779.jpgMondraker Foxy XR 27.5-img_0782.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Thanks for the replies.



    I'm not sure that what Oysteins said, or I'm misunderstanding. He said the stock tune for the Monarch was M/M, i.e. off the shelf.

    The preferred tune for the Foxy is L/L. Is this correct?

    I've been googling all morning (instead of working) try to find information on this, I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject so bear with me.

    How do you know what sort a tune a particular bike requires? Is it based on the leverage ratio? I've been trying to find the specs for the foxy but can't.

    Also, how would you know when riding that it isn't correct? I'd guess that having the sag set to 30% (Mondrakers recommendation) that you don't use all of the travel even on big hits. Is this correct?


    To change from M/M to L/L is it just a case of removing some shims? Are there instructions somewhere for doing this? Or is it better to send to a suspension specialist. I've used Teken in Melbourne to have shocks rebuilt in the past.

    Thanks again for your patience.
    The correct sag is by feeling and riding style. For my weight and aggressive riding, I didn't like the mushy feeling and lack of support in the middle travel around 30%. Because I have a lot of experience, I knew the solution was to add a token or reduce the air volume. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Thanks for the replies.
    I'm not sure that what Oysteins said, or I'm misunderstanding. He said the stock tune for the Monarch was M/M, i.e. off the shelf.

    The preferred tune for the Foxy is L/L. Is this correct?
    The Fox CTD Shock that came with the 2014 XR frame has these parameters:

    2014, FLOAT-A P-S, CTD BV LV, Mondraker, Foxy, 7.875, 2.250, 0.4 Spacer, VTL, RTL, 200, 16
    This is what Mondraker responded when inquiring about the Monarch Plus:

    Regarding the tunning. We recommend with Monarch Light compression and Light rebound, Debonair canister make the system very linear, it would be recommend to use some spacer inside or switch the canister for the standard or HV one. This would also help to the clearance.
    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    How do you know what sort a tune a particular bike requires? Is it based on the leverage ratio? I've been trying to find the specs for the foxy but can't.
    Check:
    Mondraker Foxy 650B 2014 - Linkage Design

    Tuning depends on the average leverage ration, and the shape of the curve, and of course, your riding style and weight.


    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    To change from M/M to L/L is it just a case of removing some shims? Are there instructions somewhere for doing this? Or is it better to send to a suspension specialist. I've used Teken in Melbourne to have shocks rebuilt in the past.
    If you order the Tune assy:
    11.4118.023.052 Tune Assy, Monarch Plus Reb-Low/Comp-Low (CF-80lbs), LF-320, B1

    From SRAM, you get the piston and the shims in the right order, so its just a matter of taking off the original stack and replace with the new.

    See:
    https://sram-cdn-pull-zone-gsdesign....4158_rev_a.pdf

    Not difficult, but it depends on experience with these things. If you are accustomed taking apart, and repairing things, no big deal. More or less similar to a full oil service of the Reverb seatpost.

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    I only can say that the monarch (normal) tune at the foxy mid season 2014 (which had monarch instead of fox) was M/M. I`ve had both (monarch and now monarch plus) with tune M, and the bike with them works perfectly

    maybe with L tune works better, but I don't think so

    I suppose that will go well with both

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    These days bikes with high antisquat typically run lower velocity tune. In my experience rt3 and especially RC3 give good climbing support but add extra feedback and bang a bit on the way down. That's why I always use a L vel tune in a monarch. It's a matter of balancing the increased feedback you get with high antisquat and allowing the max sensitivity out of your suspension on the way down.

    The Debonair air can however completely changes any tune monarch. the intial travel is very sensitive and dramatically reduces feedback on the way down. The downside is smooth climbing performance. You can't lock them out completely. I doubt you would need or if the debonair would suit the foxy but it would be a good balance with the RC3 which out of the box is m/m and has a very sluggish, harsh tune if your a lighter rider.

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    Thanks for the info OysteinS, this is a great thread. Lots of useful info.

    Have you decided how many volume reducers to put in yet?
    And is this based on rider weight?


    Cheers....

    Al.

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    Guys I need some help. I have the mondraker carbon r with a few changes. I added a pike 160 mm fork, and replace the brakes for some magura m7. My bike weighs 29.6 lbs. I would like to be able to loose another 3 lbs. I'm waiting for newer carbon wheel that should help with another 1 or 11/2 lbs. What other priority changes should I make?

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    Wheels.

    That would be the best bet. I went for a new crank(2015 xtr trail) which finally arrived today from Europe. It was nice for shimano to change the bolt pattern just enough that you have to run their crap rings, and 11 speed only.

    A race face carbon crank and some nice wheels (I know a guy) and it should reduce it big time. Do not forget that on the pinkbike review the complete carbon was not that light.

    dave

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    @depeche. I know I have a big opportunity with the wheels and cranks. I would like to do the single chainring to maximize the weight reduction but it's so nice to have a double. Thank you for your input.

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    I am going to run a bionicon 32 NW ring. I had a 30 NW race face on my santa cruz carbon LT last year and it was too much. Wheels are the big thing, even tubeless is almost 1 pound. I just got a custom set of Atomik carbons with Kampius hubs (look at the pictures) for under 1700 Canadian. If you do not live in this snowy wasteland then you can get a good dead. Anything else was almost 1000 more (I9). You have to remember that Enve and Reynolds are the only two brands in the states that actually make their rims in the states. 3200 for a set of kings with Enve is a joke. Besides, I have seen a set of road rims de - laminate.

    Considering a regular set of de-maxes or I9 go for over 1500 here I think I got a good deal.

    Let me know if you need a good wheel builder at a good price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Thanks for the info OysteinS, this is a great thread. Lots of useful info.

    Have you decided how many volume reducers to put in yet?
    And is this based on rider weight?
    Al.
    After the post from gvs_nz, and some thinking, I realized that I either should get the LV or XV canister for the Monarch. For now, I filled up the positive part of the chamber with all spacer bands I could fit in. Unfortunately, it will be a few months before I can ride the Foxy hard enough to find out.

    Perhaps I'll buy the XV canister, since I still could put in spacers, as opposed to the LV canister, which lacks the option for that. I assume that I could modify the debonair to even lower volume by placing some thin (enough) rubber sheet material, or wax, inside the bulge of the outer sleeve.

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    Hey guys, building a Foxy XR aluminium after reading through this thread a while back. After some feedback on installing a stealth routed dropper post. Seems to me the transition from where the cable would exit the frame in front of the bottom bracket to then run up the downtube would be a sharp bend.

    Can anyone comment on whether this is an issue or not?

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Another great day with rhe foxy, best bike I've ever ride. Incredible the way that it climbs and more incredible going down... Pike and monarch plus are fantastic
    Regards!

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Carbon or alu? What you prefer?

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    Foxy Carbon build porn

    XTR M9010 hubs. Sapim CX-Ray
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    WTB i23 KOM rims. Gold ano nipples. Wheels weigh 1570g.
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    Shimano Frankenbrake. Saint M820 calipers, Rear
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    ... and Front on the obligatory 160mm Pike
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    Levers are the XTR M988 Trail.
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    Cranks are X01 with a 30T on the standard spider. Pedals are DMR Vault Brendogs.

    Rear mech is an XTR M986 Shadow Plus. Chain and cassette are XT, 11-36.

    Seatpost is a Reverb Stealth 150 which has had its Connectamajig removed and is just running a standard strain relief on the hose so that it fits deeper into the seat tube to give the correct seat height.

    Saddle is an old Specalized Phenom SL because I haven't found another saddle as shallow (clearance is an issue). Stem is 30mm On-Off. Bars are Easton Haven Carbon. Grips are Lizard Skins Bearclaw lock-ons with gold ano lock rings.

    Front tyre Bontrager XR4 Team Issue TLR 2.35. Rear tyre Specialized Purgatory Control 2.3. Both are tubeless with Gorilla tape/Caffe Latex sealant and Stans valves.

    Weight is 12.41kg with pedals. 27.3lb

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    Wow, please put a photo of full bike... High level!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    Guys I need some help. I have the mondraker carbon r with a few changes. I added a pike 160 mm fork, and replace the brakes for some magura m7. My bike weighs 29.6 lbs. I would like to be able to loose another 3 lbs. I'm waiting for newer carbon wheel that should help with another 1 or 11/2 lbs. What other priority changes should I make?

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    wheels, 1x10 (or 1x11), light crankset, carbon handlebar, light saddle and pedals, and take care with the weight of the tyres

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    Anybody in the UK got a spare drop out nut and cone spacer I can buy/replace when Silverfish are back in stock? Size 142 x 12 common to Foxy and Dune.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by OysteinS View Post
    After the post from gvs_nz, and some thinking, I realized that I either should get the LV or XV canister for the Monarch. For now, I filled up the positive part of the chamber with all spacer bands I could fit in. Unfortunately, it will be a few months before I can ride the Foxy hard enough to find out.

    Perhaps I'll buy the XV canister, since I still could put in spacers, as opposed to the LV canister, which lacks the option for that. I assume that I could modify the debonair to even lower volume by placing some thin (enough) rubber sheet material, or wax, inside the bulge of the outer sleeve.

    Hmmmm.... sounds like the Monarch with Debonair isn't idea for the foxy.
    I'd consider sending mine back and swapping for a standard Monarch but the only one that Jenson list is the Debonair.

    Can you even buy one without Debonair now? I haven't been able to find one.

    Seems a shame to buy one with the bigger air can and then negate that by having to have to fill it up with spacers, unless of course there are other benefits to the Debonair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Can you even buy one without Debonair now? I haven't been able to find one.

    Seems a shame to buy one with the bigger air can and then negate that by having to have to fill it up with spacers, unless of course there are other benefits to the Debonair?
    I assume that the standard or the XV version is more or less only available for OEM customers.

    The leverage curve for the Foxy is regressive at the end of travel, to compensate for a smaller air canister, and when using the larger can, it will bottom out more harshly than intended, losing the final part of support at the end of the travel.

    If I had been more awake earlier, I would have put more consideration into the Vector HLR shock. I think I'll get it working quite fine eventually, for hard riding, if not, I'll sell the MP+ and send the original CTD to Avalance, for tuning.

    The Debonair feels great on normal trails, but my intention for my Foxy is to make it bike park ready, and tuned for the rooty, gnarlier stuff, since I already have a Cube Stereo 29" that is really great for most things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OysteinS View Post

    The Debonair feels great on normal trails, but my intention for my Foxy is to make it bike park ready, and tuned for the rooty, gnarlier stuff, since I already have a Cube Stereo 29" that is really great for most things.
    Those are two extremes. Really short top tube on the Stereo and really long top tube on the foxy. Or does the stereo measure longer than stated because of it's offset seat tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Can you even buy one without Debonair now? I haven't been able to find one.

    Seems a shame to buy one with the bigger air can and then negate that by having to have to fill it up with spacers, unless of course there are other benefits to the Debonair?
    Should be able to, especially in a RT3.

    My impression of riding the Debonair vs the std and large air can versions is that it rides like no other shock .Rockshox have created a shock which due to it's two stage feel imitates the ride of a 4 bar linkage in it's initial travel but firms up after the sag zone. Ideal for mfg to fit to single pivot bikes to imitate a virtual pivot or other bikes with lots of pedal feedback.

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    Just a heads up to anyone thats been reluctant to buy the new foxy carbon because of the component spec; they've just released a special edition model with what i think to be the perfect build (excluding the formula brakes) for a reasonable price. It sports the new fox 36, easton wheels, and a 1x11 (XT + e.13 EX cog) drivetrain. oh and they've done away with all the ctd cable nonsense.

    you can find it here:
    Mondraker Foxy XR SE Carbon 2015 Mountain Bike | Evans Cycles

    Also, I live in Texas but go up to New Mexico and Colorado to ride some of the dh parks during the summers. Has anyone had any experience riding the XR in the bike park? If so, how does it handle big hits and larger jump trails like A-Line?

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    First post here, so hi to all

    One thing I really don't understand is the pricing policy of Mondraker. The specs are, at least for my likes, all a little odd and you can have a much better (for your own likes) specced bike at a lower price if you make a custom build, even though the frames are expensive.

    For example, I am looking into a custom build Foxy XR Carbon frame with Pike RCT3, DT Swiss XM or EX1501 Spline One wheelset, Syntace Vector carbon handlebar, X01 drivetrain, Shimano XTR Trail brakes, Kindshox dropper post and if I include all the smaller items (XTR pedals, tires, grips, bottom bracket etc.) I end up with a price significantly below the top-end XR version at a lighter weight and I get every single piece I want ...

    Am I missing something?

    But, apart from Mondrakers speccing policy, I already fell in love with the Foxy and will hopefully soon start my build. So excited!

    BTW, the EASTON wheelset of the SE version seems to have super-small 20mm XC rims ... probably not something you want on your all-mountain bike with ambitions to be a little enduro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chriztoph View Post
    First post here, so hi to all

    One thing I really don't understand is the pricing policy of Mondraker. The specs are, at least for my likes, all a little odd and you can have a much better (for your own likes) specced bike at a lower price if you make a custom build, even though the frames are expensive.

    For example, I am looking into a custom build Foxy XR Carbon frame with Pike RCT3, DT Swiss XM or EX1501 Spline One wheelset, Syntace Vector carbon handlebar, X01 drivetrain, Shimano XTR Trail brakes, Kindshox dropper post and if I include all the smaller items (XTR pedals, tires, grips, bottom bracket etc.) I end up with a price significantly below the top-end XR version at a lighter weight and I get every single piece I want ...

    Am I missing something?

    But, apart from Mondrakers speccing policy, I already fell in love with the Foxy and will hopefully soon start my build. So excited!

    BTW, the EASTON wheelset of the SE version seems to have super-small 20mm XC rims ... probably not something you want on your all-mountain bike with ambitions to be a little enduro
    unfortunatelt this not only happens at Mondraker... Santa cruz for example

    about use the foxy xr at bikeparks with big jumps mmm, I think this isn`t the right bike for you. I´m not telling that is not capable, but the bike will suffer a bit. Maybe with a enduro built. Have you think in a Dune? A lot of people says that climb and pedal very good, similar to foxy...

    I´ve been sevaral times in a bikepark with the foxy and It's very capable and funny, but my jumps are not very extreme jejejeje

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfstone View Post
    unfortunatelt this not only happens at Mondraker... Santa cruz for example

    about use the foxy xr at bikeparks with big jumps mmm, I think this isn`t the right bike for you. I´m not telling that is not capable, but the bike will suffer a bit. Maybe with a enduro built. Have you think in a Dune? A lot of people says that climb and pedal very good, similar to foxy...

    I´ve been sevaral times in a bikepark with the foxy and It's very capable and funny, but my jumps are not very extreme jejejeje
    Thanks for the advice. The Dune sounds great, but its kinda overkill for most of the riding I'll be doing in Austin, TX. I just hate paying for the costly dh bike rentals when i go up there, but dont want to buy a dh bike for 2 weeks out of the year.

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    Hi guys,

    Thinking of getting a Foxy. The trails near me are quite flat (although of course i travel to the more rowdy stuff). Just wanetd to known how the Foxy handles on flatter terrain. Is its still as good as i have heard it may be a bit of a handful and that it really only excels on the steep stuff

    Any advice appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by olibluegoat View Post
    Hi guys,

    Thinking of getting a Foxy. The trails near me are quite flat (although of course i travel to the more rowdy stuff). Just wanetd to known how the Foxy handles on flatter terrain. Is its still as good as i have heard it may be a bit of a handful and that it really only excels on the steep stuff

    Any advice appreciated

    Oli
    That has not been my experience. The Foxy rails flat turns faster than anything else I've ridden to date, save for my own custom built bike, which is built on Mondraker's Forward Geometry concept... but a bit lower, slacker and longer.

    Cheers,
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    The reason they call it a Foxy is just that, it will Fox you.

    It is a light bike and it has an efficient 140 rear travel. It is light and efficient, it will cope with flat. Well, certainly mask the flat. The Foxing part is, it loves flowing gentle gravity down to mega steep gravity. It just does that so well, that you will hunger for more of that over the flat stuff. It's not tardy on the flat by any measure. And I totally agree with Kirk, that is my experience as well.

    You'll get out of the saddle and sprint into that next flat turn, because you can.

    Cheers

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    Anyone know if the FOXY and DUNE are the same frame but different linkage and chainstay.
    Running the no's in Geocalc with different forks comes out pretty much the same .
    geometryCalc

    Anyone know the DUNE frame weight? From what I gather,the Foxy is about 6 lbs with shock[ approx the same weight as a Giant Trance]

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    Different frame, the factory says you can run a piggy back on the Dune, but not the Foxy (well, all of the Foxy frame sizes).

    I stand to be corrected though, don't have a Dune

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    Different linkages may account for that, along with the extra travel?[ Commencal used to do that] Just seems strange that even the BB height is the same when paired with the same forks.

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    Finally getting the bike built. Just have to get my chain and then cut the steer tube. Man, that front tire was nuts to put on. Took 2 of us. Trying out a bionicon oval 32t ring. Too bad the snow here is nuts. I want to ride soon!

    No idea of weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    Finally getting the bike built. Just have to get my chain and then cut the steer tube. Man, that front tire was nuts to put on. Took 2 of us. Trying out a bionicon oval 32t ring. Too bad the snow here is nuts. I want to ride soon!

    No idea of weight.
    Looking sweet, you should hey yourself a fat bike for the winter months. I just picked up this beargrease yesterday cause I was going crazy waiting for better weather. ..


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    So I recently sold my beloved Ibis Mojo HD after 4 brilliant years of service. I always thought it would take a hell of a bike to take the mantle of being my main ride away it, and just before Christmas I had the pleasure of having a standard Foxy Carbon on test for a month from the chaps at Silverfish UK. Within the first few hundred metres of trail I knew I'd found the Mojo's successor. Fast forward a month and Silverfish announced the very, very limited edition XR SE. Specifically built for the UK market to limited to just 25 bikes, I just had to have one. I hadn't planned on moving the Ibis on until summer, but with such limited numbers available I jumped on one while I could!

    Please excuse the horrendous iPhone pictures, they hardly do the bike justice and I'll try and get some decent snaps in due course.













    This is the first off the shelf bike I've bought since I got my very first mtb back in 2004, which says a lot about the off the shelf spec. I've changed a few bits and pieces from stock and a few more plans are in place for the coming months, but out of the box it's pretty dialed with a Fox 36, Kashima coated CTD shock, reverb and Easton wheelset. I changed the brakes from Formula CR1's to my favourite XT's and likewise the chain and cassette were swapped from Sram 1030 to XT items. I also swapped the slx shifter to a saint as they feel so much nicer and are practically the same as XTR but cost a heap less. While stock High Roller 2's are great tyres and I'm tempted to keep them I was very keen to try the new Schwalbe Nobby Nic and so far this seems like a great choice. They roll well, grip well and seem more predictable than the old ones and dropped a decent amount of weight the stock bike as well, which is never a bad thing in my book. The last change was a major bling touch, with the stock Raceface Evolve cranks swapped for some Next SL's which finish the bike off nicely 8) Current spec is as follows:

    2015 Mondraker Foxy Carbon XR SE - Large
    2015 Fox 36 Float 160 RC2
    2015 Fox Float CTD
    Mondraker Onoff bar, stem grips and saddle
    Rockshox Reverb Stealth dropper post
    Easton EA70 XL wheelset
    Schwalbe Nobby Nic Snakeskin - 2.35 trailstar front, 2.25 Pacestar rear
    Shimano XT cassette, chain and brakes
    180mm Shimano Icetech rotors
    Raceface Next SL 175mm cranks 34t DM ring
    Shimano Saint shifter
    Shimano XT trail pedals

    All of the changes knocked a fair chunk of weight off the bike, with the stock build coming in at 29.7lbs without pedals and the new one coming in a hair over 27lbs in the same guise, which is pretty dame good for such a burly and reasonably modest build (mostly xt spec, alloy bars, cheap own brand saddle).

    Planned upgrades are carbon Easton Haven 35 bars and the new 32mm reach Haven 35 stem when it's available and I'll probably go up to 11 speed XT/XTR mix if 11 speed XT is released in summer. After that I might change the wheelset to something a little wider, as the EA70 XL's are only 20mm internally and while perfectly acceptable for at the minute I'd like to try something a little wider and possibly a smidge lighter.

    Overall though I'm chuffed to bits with it. Gave it it's maiden thrash at LLandegla yesterday and despite a lack of fitness currently it obliterated most of my PB's on strava. This is by far and away the fastest and most confident inspiring bike I've ever ridden and despite the colossus wheelbase (1220mm!! :shock: ) it climbs incredibly well, clearing many technical climbs that would have the Ibis searching for traction and front lifting all over the place. I can see me keeping this bike for many, many years to come!

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    That's gorgeous.

    I don't know you, but I hate you.

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    A touch excessive, painting your radiator to match your bike

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    Just to let everyone know that i am selling a 2015 Foxy frame Large (new) if anyone is interested - £1300

    Decided not to build it up afterall and stick with my hard tail

    Oli

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    Hey, nice to see that you'll be good to go soon depeche
    I know i am a bit late, but thanks for the review of the bar you made for me, i hope i'll have time to start building my own soon and can show it to you guys, but as a newbie i may have tons of question during process, counting on you ;D
    @lawman1991 Gratz on that one, looks pretty neat to me!
    @Olibluegoat why did you change your mind after buying the frame if i'm not beiing too curious?

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    Just decided that i couldnt afford to build it up.

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    Just to report: OEM bearings on 2014 frames are sh**. After 6 months of moderate use in Greek dry climate they have developed stiction and annoying ticking sound is coming from the linkage. Bike has been washed no more than 5 times with pressure washer and it was done carefully. I believe that somewhere with more mud and rain they would last considerably less. At least they are standard industrial bearings so quite easy to source from a local hardware store.

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    Like jfstone, would be good to see some action shots of foxys

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    Where are you buying frame only? I can't seem to find it with reasonable shipping to Europe!

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    I got my complete bike from Tweeks Cycles in the UK, they do frame only as well and will ship across Europe - Full Suspension Frames | Frames | Frames & Forks | Components | Home | Tweeks Cycles

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    Lawman1991 - The UK special edition is definitely the way to go - that spec is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman1991 View Post
    I got my complete bike from Tweeks Cycles in the UK, they do frame only as well and will ship across Europe - Full Suspension Frames | Frames | Frames & Forks | Components | Home | Tweeks Cycles
    Ok thanks for the info! Haven't stumbled on that store earlier. Buying anything in euros is a really bad deal at the moment!

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    So, just finished installing the L/L tune kit for the Monarch Plus.

    Wouldn't say easy but certainly would have been easier with the all the correct tools. The nut that holds on the shim stack was pretty tight so trying to clamp the shaft without damaging it was an issue.

    Speaking of correct tools, my next issue is the mounting hardware. I'd assumed that the bushes that came already in the Monarch stayed there, and I pressed the other bush from the Foxy (you can see below) through that one (wasn't easy).





    But the black spacers that go either side aren't wide enough so there's a gap that would have been taken up by the cream coloured bushes:



    I'm guessing I need to remove the metal one that came with the monarch and replace with the plastic ones that came out of the Fox?

    Unless anyone thinks it's ok to run it like this:




    Probably not.


    Question: Anyone got any tips on how to remove the pre-installed bush on the Monarch without the proper Rockshox tool?

    I'm worried I'll damage (or at least mark) the shock given how hard I had to push the other bush through it, it aint coming out easily. Don't suppose it matters about the bush itself as I wont be using it.

    Cheers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Unless anyone thinks it's ok to run it like this:

    I had the same issue, and bought a set of Q-rings, size 112:

    112 Buna-N 70 X-Rings / Quad-Rings [QR-112] : O-Rings - The O-Ring Store, We make getting O-Rings easy!

    Seems to work fine, packed with Slick Honey to keep water out. You might check the gap size, and maybe go one size up, to Q-206, if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    So, just finished installing the L/L tune kit for the Monarch Plus.

    Wouldn't say easy but certainly would have been easier with the all the correct tools. The nut that holds on the shim stack was pretty tight so trying to clamp the shaft without damaging it was an issue.

    Speaking of correct tools, my next issue is the mounting hardware. I'd assumed that the bushes that came already in the Monarch stayed there, and I pressed the other bush from the Foxy (you can see below) through that one (wasn't easy).





    But the black spacers that go either side aren't wide enough so there's a gap that would have been taken up by the cream coloured bushes:



    I'm guessing I need to remove the metal one that came with the monarch and replace with the plastic ones that came out of the Fox?

    Unless anyone thinks it's ok to run it like this:




    Probably not.


    Question: Anyone got any tips on how to remove the pre-installed bush on the Monarch without the proper Rockshox tool?

    I'm worried I'll damage (or at least mark) the shock given how hard I had to push the other bush through it, it aint coming out easily. Don't suppose it matters about the bush itself as I wont be using it.

    Cheers....
    Even with Rockshox hardware the black spacers should be a similar width to your pin. Even on 40mm wide hardware the black spacers are a matching width. You shouldn't need to remove the DU bush and fit the fox bushing if the RS hardware was correct. Looks like you've got defective. mis matched hardware .Aren't all RS hardware anodised black. why is yours anodisd silver?

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Seen at foromtb (spanish forum)
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    Interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    Even with Rockshox hardware the black spacers should be a similar width to your pin. Even on 40mm wide hardware the black spacers are a matching width. You shouldn't need to remove the DU bush and fit the fox bushing if the RS hardware was correct. Looks like you've got defective. mis matched hardware .Aren't all RS hardware anodised black. why is yours anodisd silver?

    Thanks GVS_NZ and OysteinS.

    The silver bit you can see in the last picture is the original Foxy bush that goes through the very tight fitting bush already fitted to the shock, You can see it because I'm missing spacers in that pic.

    My solution was similar to OysteinS, instead of using Q rings I took the Foxy's original cream coloured bush and cut off the piece that went through the shock eyelet.
    So now it's just a spacer that fills the gap you can see.



    Next issue! I'm having trouble getting the IFP up to pressure. When I remove the schrader adapter tool from the IFP port (still connected to the pump) it looses a load of air. Goes from about 250 down to 180.

    Is there a trick to doing this?

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    I have similar issues with my current float shock. Seems to loose 10-30 psi when unscrewing shock pump.

    Previous shocks wouldn't loose this much air.

    I guess current valve is more sensitive.

    I now use a topeak digital pressure gauge. I pump above required psi then use the gauge to bleed to exact psi. Best $25 spent

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Thanks GVS_NZ and OysteinS.

    The silver bit you can see in the last picture is the original Foxy bush that goes through the very tight fitting bush already fitted to the shock, You can see it because I'm missing spacers in that pic.

    My solution was similar to OysteinS, instead of using Q rings I took the Foxy's original cream coloured bush and cut off the piece that went through the shock eyelet.
    So now it's just a spacer that fills the gap you can see.



    Next issue! I'm having trouble getting the IFP up to pressure. When I remove the schrader adapter tool from the IFP port (still connected to the pump) it looses a load of air. Goes from about 250 down to 180.

    Is there a trick to doing this?
    Try and order some Rockshox hardware the right width. You may find the fox hollow pin is not a good fit in the Du bush? the Rs hardware used to be a bit tight but is now been resized to be a sooth gliding fit. Don't forget if the pin/DU bush is to tight the pin will ritae in the frame and not inside the bushing.

    You always do loose some air. Not sure how much. i just overcompensate with extra pressure before removing the air hose. you don't have to exactly 250 psi. I've run down to[indicated pump pressure] 220 psi and not had any problems with shock fluid aeration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Next issue! I'm having trouble getting the IFP up to pressure. When I remove the schrader adapter tool from the IFP port (still connected to the pump) it looses a load of air. Goes from about 250 down to 180.

    Is there a trick to doing this?
    I'm am not sure how you do the measuring, but you must keep in mind that if you, at some later time, reconnect the pump, and if there is not any pressure in the hose between the pressure gauge and the schraeder adapter; when you reconnect the hose to the IFP, some pressure from the IFP will bleed over to the hose. So generally you can't measure the pressure in the IFP by reconnecting any measuring apparatus (pump?). The only practical way to set the correct pressure is to keep pumping until you reach the desired pressure, and then unscrew the (correct) adapter. The valve will/shall close before the threads and gasket disengages. Air will be released from the hose, and you might be confused to believe that it is the IFP pressure that is released.

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    The dreaded moment has arrived - a cracked rear triangle on 2014 frame
    Mondraker frames are actually quite famous for that but I thought that was a thing of the past. And I am in no way an aggressive rider. Does anyone have any experience how long does the warranty replacement procedure take?
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    To be confirmed but i think it's lifetime.

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    Frames are lifetime, rear triangles and pivots are 2yrs according to warranty card supplied at purchase. What I wonder is how long it takes for a local distributor to get a replacement triangle through warranty claim. I'm sure it's not something that distributors have in stock.

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    Here at spain, in four days you have a new rear triangle like 2015 but in your same colour.

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    I sure hope they will give me a 2015 triangle, which supposedly have been structurally reinforced compared to 2014 model. It would be wonderful if it was in the same raw finish as you say. But I do not live in Spain so we'll see how long it will take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    The dreaded moment has arrived - a cracked rear triangle on 2014 frame
    Mondraker frames are actually quite famous for that but I thought that was a thing of the past. And I am in no way an aggressive rider. Does anyone have any experience how long does the warranty replacement procedure take?
    Not good, hope you get it fixed soon. Let us know how you get on.

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    Looks like the o ring on my adapter was damaged. Replaced it and now it loses a lot less air when removed from the shock.

    Almost good to go, just waiting on my volume reducers arriving now.

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    Vorsprung Suspension has just released an aftermarket air can for Fox shocks. The replacement air can has a larger negative air chamber to reduce the spring rate required to initiate the initial stroke of the rear shock. Ie, similar to the Debonair can.

    I've been reading this MTBR thread on the can
    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...et-950072.html

    I am running my stock CTD shock at 30%+ sag to achieve small bump compliance. Any less sag and the rear end rides harsh. Running this much sag means lower air pressure, and less mid stroke support.

    In the thread posted above, theres discussions that this Air Can design only suits virtual pivot designs with regressive leverage ratios early in the stroke eg, SC Nomad. It doesnt suit virtual pivot designs with progressive leverage built in the early stages of travel eg, SC Bronson. If suspension is designed so the early stage of travel is progressive, then having a larger negative chamber will make the initial travel too soft and therefore be detrimental.

    My questions are:
    - Is the above correct?
    - If so, does the foxy have a regressive or progressive leverage ratio early in its travel?
    - If regressive, will the Corset, or increasing negative air improve suspension performance on the foxy, ie, better midstroke support with more compliance in initial travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    Just to report: OEM bearings on 2014 frames are sh**. After 6 months of moderate use in Greek dry climate they have developed stiction and annoying ticking sound is coming from the linkage. Bike has been washed no more than 5 times with pressure washer and it was done carefully. I believe that somewhere with more mud and rain they would last considerably less. At least they are standard industrial bearings so quite easy to source from a local hardware store.
    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    The dreaded moment has arrived - a cracked rear triangle on 2014 frame
    Mondraker frames are actually quite famous for that but I thought that was a thing of the past. And I am in no way an aggressive rider. Does anyone have any experience how long does the warranty replacement procedure take?
    Don’t worry! It’s a lifetime warranty, so the dealer will replace your broken triangle to the new 2015 that is better and reinforced ( also has a different shape ). While replacing my triangle they also replaced the bearings on the frame’s pivot. You should ask for it.
    Now they run better quieter and stiffer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarontm View Post
    Don’t worry! It’s a lifetime warranty, so the dealer will replace your broken triangle to the new 2015 that is better and reinforced ( also has a different shape ). While replacing my triangle they also replaced the bearings on the frame’s pivot. You should ask for it.
    Now they run better quieter and stiffer.

    Hi,
    Did your replacement triangle come in aluminum raw finish ? I presume you have a 2014 frame... The colour of decals (graphics) on the replacement triangle? I'm asking because foxy xr, r and base model are all the same frames just with different colour decals. Actually, I had the bike on a stand and was just about to fit a new set of replacement SKF bearings when I noticed the crack...

    Apart from those quality hick-ups I'm really loving the bike. I have it quite burly built, no fancy parts, just good quality middle of the range bits that work well and its still only about 13.4 kg in large size. There is plenty of scope for slimming that down, but I made a NY resolution ;-) that only broken and worn down parts will be replaced. We'll see how long I'll be able to resist temptations...
    My build:
    Pike rct3 150, oem Fox CTD shock, DT swiss 350 hubs + straight pull dtswiss + dtswiss TLR rims with 22.8inner width, tubeless minions front & back for winter and ardent at back for summer, 1x10 drivetrain with sram s1000 gxp crank + Hope NW 30t chainring, X5 casette with OneUp components 16+42t expander cogs, XT mid cage shadow+ derailleur with OneUp RAD cage (brilliant), SLX brakes 180 front & back, SLX i spec shifter, OEM 30mm OnOff stem, Nukeproof warhead 760 bars, superstar grips, KS i900 125mm adjustable seatpost (5 yrs in use still working flawlessly), Charge/Fabric Scoop saddle, Token headset, Spank Spike pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    Hi,
    Did your replacement triangle come in aluminum raw finish ? I presume you have a 2014 frame... The colour of decals (graphics) on the replacement triangle? I'm asking because foxy xr, r and base model are all the same frames just with different colour decals. Actually, I had the bike on a stand and was just about to fit a new set of replacement SKF bearings when I noticed the crack...

    Apart from those quality hick-ups I'm really loving the bike. I have it quite burly built, no fancy parts, just good quality middle of the range bits that work well and its still only about 13.4 kg in large size. There is plenty of scope for slimming that down, but I made a NY resolution ;-) that only broken and worn down parts will be replaced. We'll see how long I'll be able to resist temptations...
    My build:
    Pike rct3 150, oem Fox CTD shock, DT swiss 350 hubs + straight pull dtswiss + dtswiss TLR rims with 22.8inner width, tubeless minions front & back for winter and ardent at back for summer, 1x10 drivetrain with sram s1000 gxp crank + Hope NW 30t chainring, X5 casette with OneUp components 16+42t expander cogs, XT mid cage shadow+ derailleur with OneUp RAD cage (brilliant), SLX brakes 180 front & back, SLX i spec shifter, OEM 30mm OnOff stem, Nukeproof warhead 760 bars, superstar grips, KS i900 125mm adjustable seatpost (5 yrs in use still working flawlessly), Charge/Fabric Scoop saddle, Token headset, Spank Spike pedals.


    Hi,
    Yes although the design of the new rear triangle is of the 2015 alu model, the color is the same silver metallic and with the same original decals that comes with the XR ( blue)
    As far as I was able to understand, Mondraker had quite a lot of problems with this triangle, and I met other riders, also have been replaced by the local dealer in Israel.
    By the way, I don’t know the manufacturer of the replaced bearings ( but they seem to work just fine) but if you already have the SKF, I guess they are superior to the OEM’s.

    In my bike I basically did not hanged much, just added a chain guide (Blackspire)

    I hate the original Formula T1 brakes though…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarontm View Post

    Hi,
    Yes although the design of the new rear triangle is of the 2015 alu model, the color is the same silver metallic and with the same original decals that comes with the XR ( blue)
    As far as I was able to understand, Mondraker had quite a lot of problems with this triangle, and I met other riders, also have been replaced by the local dealer in Israel.
    By the way, I don’t know the manufacturer of the replaced bearings ( but they seem to work just fine) but if you already have the SKF, I guess they are superior to the OEM’s.

    In my bike I basically did not hanged much, just added a chain guide (Blackspire)

    I hate the original Formula T1 brakes though…
    Ok, I guess I have to wait and see what they will send.
    In my case the decals are red as I bought a heavily discounted base model of Foxy, sold off all OEM parts and ended up with a dead cheap frame&shock. Then I started building it from scratch.
    As for the brakes: I have been for years on Avid and in general it was OK, but nothing compared to SLX which are very good and inexpensive. Value for money is excellent and I thoroughly recommend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Vorsprung Suspension has just released an aftermarket air can for Fox shocks. The replacement air can has a larger negative air chamber to reduce the spring rate required to initiate the initial stroke of the rear shock. Ie, similar to the Debonair can.

    I've been reading this MTBR thread on the can
    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...et-950072.html

    I am running my stock CTD shock at 30%+ sag to achieve small bump compliance. Any less sag and the rear end rides harsh. Running this much sag means lower air pressure, and less mid stroke support.

    In the thread posted above, theres discussions that this Air Can design only suits virtual pivot designs with regressive leverage ratios early in the stroke eg, SC Nomad. It doesnt suit virtual pivot designs with progressive leverage built in the early stages of travel eg, SC Bronson. If suspension is designed so the early stage of travel is progressive, then having a larger negative chamber will make the initial travel too soft and therefore be detrimental.

    My questions are:
    - Is the above correct?
    - If so, does the foxy have a regressive or progressive leverage ratio early in its travel?
    - If regressive, will the Corset, or increasing negative air improve suspension performance on the foxy, ie, better midstroke support with more compliance in initial travel.


    I'm in the same boat like you. I read the sb66c was the main testing bike and it was great on that bike. I feel with the 30%sag the middle support is kind of weak but with 20% sag small bump compliance is gone. The new air sleeve is a debonair type upgrade. I think there are some guys here using the debonair shock and they are happier with the suspension feeling. Vorsprung looks like a smaller positive chamber air sleeve that should help with the progression at the end of the stroke.

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    This is the bracing arm between the 2 stays on the 2015 rear triangle. It appears the bracing arm has been redesigned. It is no longer straight and the weld areas flare out

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post

    I'm in the same boat like you. I read the sb66c was the main testing bike and it was great on that bike. I feel with the 30%sag the middle support is kind of weak but with 20% sag small bump compliance is gone. The new air sleeve is a debonair type upgrade. I think there are some guys here using the debonair shock and they are happier with the suspension feeling. Vorsprung looks like a smaller positive chamber air sleeve that should help with the progression at the end of the stroke.
    If it's any help I did testing back to back on my Satori with a debonair and a high volume rt3.
    I could achieve similar small bump compliance[ debonair was still better] when I used a large vol spacer in the Hv rt3 and dropped the air pressure[ ie lv air can]. The consequence was too progressive at the end of the stroke. if that 's what you want to achieve then try that first. The debonair, if you keep upping the air pressure or adding a vol spacers will eventually give the same progressive end of stroke.You can up the pressure a huge amount and still retain an active initial travel. So If initial sensitivity is what you want then it's definately worth a try.But there is a chance you may still blow through the end of stroke? I think there would be a few designs where the Debonair or Vosprung air cans would make the initial travel too active for any smooth climbs. High initial leverage ratio as it may be too active[ but Giant use it on the reign which is relatively high initial LR] , a 4 bar linkage with low anti squat.As it does tend to blow through the end of stroke even more than a hv air can I would be wary on using it on a linear or digressive design .
    I haven't tried or researched the Vosprung air can but if the keep the same volume but increase the negative proportion then that may be what you want. Take into account that Fox are more active design anyway. vosprung may be OTT active if it does not build in enough mid stroke support

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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    Ok, I guess I have to wait and see what they will send.
    In my case the decals are red as I bought a heavily discounted base model of Foxy, sold off all OEM parts and ended up with a dead cheap frame&shock. Then I started building it from scratch.
    As for the brakes: I have been for years on Avid and in general it was OK, but nothing compared to SLX which are very good and inexpensive. Value for money is excellent and I thoroughly recommend them.
    Hi, can you upload some pics of your bike ( I mean with your set up) they look interesting.

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    Hi,
    An update on my experience with the Monarch Plus Debonair, tune L/L on my 2014 Foxy XR. I have put in all the volume reducer bands in the positive chamber I could fit in. None in the negative.

    I am not able to use the last 15mm of the shock travel in this configuration, and this is quite good news, I think. I have been trying to ride as hard as I can, lately, and carrying a battery powered chainsaw in my backpack should put some extra stress on the suspension.

    I have switched from the 10mm stem to the 30mm lately, and upgraded to a 160 Pike Solo air in the front. With the longer and lower cockpit, I find that the Foxy climbs really well on technical, steep trails. Even with the longer stem, I tend to not load the front wheel enough, so I doubt that I will go back to the 10mm stem. I am 178cm tall, and I think the 30mm is appropriate for the medium size frame I have.

    My setup is as following:
    Pike 160mm Solo air
    30mm Onoff Stem
    Nukeproof Warhead handlebar, 760mm, 20m rise
    XT brakes, 200/180mm discs
    SLX crankset with Wolftooth 30T N/W chainring
    XT derailleur with OneUp Rad cage.
    XT cassette, 11-42, modified with OneUp 42T sprocket
    Reverb seatpost.
    Light Bicycle 35mm carbon rims, Hope Pro2 hubs.
    Highroller II tires.
    Monarch Plus Debonair Shock
    Procore system as soon as it will become available.

    Can't think of any component that I would replace at this point. Well, maybe if I get a good deal on a Next SL crankset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OysteinS View Post
    Hi,
    An update on my experience with the Monarch Plus Debonair, tune L/L on my 2014 Foxy XR. I have put in all the volume reducer bands in the positive chamber I could fit in. None in the negative.

    I am not able to use the last 15mm of the shock travel in this configuration, and this is quite good news, I think. I have been trying to ride as hard as I can, lately, and carrying a battery powered chainsaw in my backpack should put some extra stress on the suspension.

    I have switched from the 10mm stem to the 30mm lately, and upgraded to a 160 Pike Solo air in the front. With the longer and lower cockpit, I find that the Foxy climbs really well on technical, steep trails. Even with the longer stem, I tend to not load the front wheel enough, so I doubt that I will go back to the 10mm stem. I am 178cm tall, and I think the 30mm is appropriate for the medium size frame I have.

    My setup is as following:
    Pike 160mm Solo air
    30mm Onoff Stem
    Nukeproof Warhead handlebar, 760mm, 20m rise
    XT brakes, 200/180mm discs
    SLX crankset with Wolftooth 30T N/W chainring
    XT derailleur with OneUp Rad cage.
    XT cassette, 11-42, modified with OneUp 42T sprocket
    Reverb seatpost.
    Light Bicycle 35mm carbon rims, Hope Pro2 hubs.
    Highroller II tires.
    Monarch Plus Debonair Shock
    Procore system as soon as it will become available.

    Can't think of any component that I would replace at this point. Well, maybe if I get a good deal on a Next SL crankset.


    Interesting.

    I just took mine out for the first time yesterday with the Monarch +, although I don't have any volume reducers yet (still waiting on them). I'd say I had 10mm of travel left and although I wasn't going all out there are a few decent hits at my local test track.

    I'm had the sag set at just under 30% say (about 28%) and I weight 75kg kitted up.

    What do you weigh OysteinS?

    I'm wondering if I will need the volume reducers at all? or should I try more sag?

    My first impressions were it felt ok, maybe not as plush as I was expecting (maybe I was expecting too much) but it's hard to tell how much better it felt from the Fox without riding back to back.

    I'm also running a Medium frame and put the 30mm stem on with Easton carbon risers (40mm rise). I feel much better with this configuration than with the 10mm stem. I'm
    180cm tall btw.

    and I also switched to Pike solo recently lol. Now they really are a revelation compared to the Fox Evos I had before. Maybe that's why I was expecting big things from the Monarch.

    Be interested to know your sag/rebound/LSC settings front and rear to see how they compare with mine.


    Cheers....

    Al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OysteinS View Post
    Hi,
    An update on my experience with the Monarch Plus Debonair, tune L/L on my 2014 Foxy XR. I have put in all the volume reducer bands in the positive chamber I could fit in. None in the negative.

    I am not able to use the last 15mm of the shock travel in this configuration, and this is quite good news, I think. I have been trying to ride as hard as I can, lately, and carrying a battery powered chainsaw in my backpack should put some extra stress on the suspension.

    I have switched from the 10mm stem to the 30mm lately, and upgraded to a 160 Pike Solo air in the front. With the longer and lower cockpit, I find that the Foxy climbs really well on technical, steep trails. Even with the longer stem, I tend to not load the front wheel enough, so I doubt that I will go back to the 10mm stem. I am 178cm tall, and I think the 30mm is appropriate for the medium size frame I have.

    My setup is as following:
    Pike 160mm Solo air
    30mm Onoff Stem
    Nukeproof Warhead handlebar, 760mm, 20m rise
    XT brakes, 200/180mm discs
    SLX crankset with Wolftooth 30T N/W chainring
    XT derailleur with OneUp Rad cage.
    XT cassette, 11-42, modified with OneUp 42T sprocket
    Reverb seatpost.
    Light Bicycle 35mm carbon rims, Hope Pro2 hubs.
    Highroller II tires.
    Monarch Plus Debonair Shock
    Procore system as soon as it will become available.

    Can't think of any component that I would replace at this point. Well, maybe if I get a good deal on a Next SL crankset.
    Nice. That means you have plenty of tweaking removing the volume spacers or reducers from the positive chamber. How is the mid stroke support? Better?
    I'm getting the corset can for my shock. What sag are you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarontm View Post
    Hi, can you upload some pics of your bike ( I mean with your set up) they look interesting.
    As mentioned in my previous post there are no fancy parts but all is working really well. I wanted a Foxy built to mine spec, but did not want to spend much... Shopped around and replaced almost all OEM parts for new except for the seat, the seatpost, the pedals and the bar that I had from my previous bike. When oem bits were sold the whole bike came under 2400eur mark, which is the approx retail price of the base model Foxy. And I'm pretty chaffed that the 2015 replacement triangle for my cracked one comes with 12x142 through axle as the 2014 base model frame had qr dropouts. Not that I could notice any flex with 10x135 through bolt axle that replaced the original QR...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Interesting.

    I just took mine out for the first time yesterday with the Monarch +, although I don't have any volume reducers yet (still waiting on them). I'd say I had 10mm of travel left and although I wasn't going all out there are a few decent hits at my local test track.

    I'm had the sag set at just under 30% say (about 28%) and I weight 75kg kitted up.

    What do you weigh OysteinS?

    I'm wondering if I will need the volume reducers at all? or should I try more sag?

    My first impressions were it felt ok, maybe not as plush as I was expecting (maybe I was expecting too much) but it's hard to tell how much better it felt from the Fox without riding back to back.

    I'm also running a Medium frame and put the 30mm stem on with Easton carbon risers (40mm rise). I feel much better with this configuration than with the 10mm stem. I'm
    180cm tall btw.

    and I also switched to Pike solo recently lol. Now they really are a revelation compared to the Fox Evos I had before. Maybe that's why I was expecting big things from the Monarch.

    Be interested to know your sag/rebound/LSC settings front and rear to see how they compare with mine.


    Cheers....

    Al.
    You'll find monarch+ almost night and day different to debonair version. You''ll have to run lots of sag and you still will not achieve same ride quality as Debonair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    If it's any help I did testing back to back on my Satori with a debonair and a high volume rt3.
    I could achieve similar small bump compliance[ debonair was still better] when I used a large vol spacer in the Hv rt3 and dropped the air pressure[ ie lv air can]. The consequence was too progressive at the end of the stroke. if that 's what you want to achieve then try that first. The debonair, if you keep upping the air pressure or adding a vol spacers will eventually give the same progressive end of stroke.You can up the pressure a huge amount and still retain an active initial travel. So If initial sensitivity is what you want then it's definately worth a try.But there is a chance you may still blow through the end of stroke? I think there would be a few designs where the Debonair or Vosprung air cans would make the initial travel too active for any smooth climbs. High initial leverage ratio as it may be too active[ but Giant use it on the reign which is relatively high initial LR] , a 4 bar linkage with low anti squat.As it does tend to blow through the end of stroke even more than a hv air can I would be wary on using it on a linear or digressive design .
    I haven't tried or researched the Vosprung air can but if the keep the same volume but increase the negative proportion then that may be what you want. Take into account that Fox are more active design anyway. vosprung may be OTT active if it does not build in enough mid stroke support
    Thanks gvs_nz

    Does the foxy have a high initial leverage ratio? Eg new reign in your example.

    My experience with the foxy suggests it doesn't have a high early LR as the ride early in travel is firm unless enough sag is run.

    Which means the corset or debonair will counter the anti squat and provide better small bump compliance and can still run higher pressure and hence achieve better mid stroke support, ie best of both worlds? Or its not as simple as that?

    The marketing material for the corset sounds perfect for the foxy...

    My knowledge on suspension theory is pretty basic

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    What do you weigh OysteinS?
    I am around 76 kg without any gear whatsoever, so maybe 85 geared up.

    I had 175psi in the Debonair, which gave 25% sag. I measured that I had 15mm of the end stroke unused.

    This evening, I took out four of the eight rubber bands, leaving four in the positive chamber, none in the negative. 175 psi, and 27% sag afterwards.

    After bouncing around in my garden, I manage to compress until 10mm left of the end stroke. On my Cube Stereo 140, with the CTD, I could bottom out the suspension easily by pushing the pedals down. I suspect that I can remove more bands, but I will see how it works, first. The rear end is really plush, maybe similar to the rear end of my Stereo, with the DBinline fitted.

    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Be interested to know your sag/rebound/LSC settings front and rear to see how they compare with mine.
    I use the LSC set at 'L' at all times. I see no point in the firmer settings, at least for now. Rebound is 5 clicks from fully open, I think, but not sure about that.

    The Pike have 25% sag, with a pressure of ~52 psi. Surprisingly low pressure, and I noticed that I was running with the LSC fully closed. The lockout is fully open, i.e. no pedal/lockout threshold. I think I should crank up the pressure to 60 to 70 psi, and open up the LSC. I forgot to check the rebound setting. I am probably loading the front too little. The front is too plush, I think, and I am using all the 160mm travel quite easily.

    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    Nice. That means you have plenty of tweaking removing the volume spacers or reducers from the positive chamber. How is the mid stroke support? Better?
    I'm getting the corset can for my shock. What sag are you running?
    Nice mgfjd12. Looking forward to your thoughts on the corset can. I take it your trying to achieve softer initial firmer mid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    Nice. That means you have plenty of tweaking removing the volume spacers or reducers from the positive chamber.
    Indeed. I have been concerned that the Debonair was wrong for the Foxy, but lately, the snow has gone, and I have been able to experiment on the somewhat steep trails just outside my house, and finds that my concerns was definitely wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    How is the mid stroke support? Better?
    I'm getting the corset can for my shock. What sag are you running?
    I don't think I could comment on the midstroke stuff, I have too little experience, I think. 175psi/25% sag.

    Regards,

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    Nice colour branemb. Red on the raw looks business.

    Pics of the baby blue foxy pointing down. The foxy is so composed descending.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Nice mgfjd12. Looking forward to your thoughts on the corset can. I take it your trying to achieve softer initial firmer mid?
    Yes.. The current shock is: soft initial weak in the middle or rough initial firm middle. If I can run the corset with 30% sag with firm middle support, my suspension woes would be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    You'll find monarch+ almost night and day different to debonair version. You''ll have to run lots of sag and you still will not achieve same ride quality as Debonair.
    Sorry, I do have the Debonair, should have made that clearer.

    Anyway, here it is:

    It was technically an XR but got a very good deal on it as it was a bitsa and had the Evo fork from a Dune and a low rent SRAM chainset from the base model Foxy I think.

    Upgraded the fork to Pikes, currently with 1 bottomless token.
    Shock upgraded to Monarch + Debonair
    Chainset upgraded to Raceface Turbine with 32t ring
    SRAM 1070 chain and cassette with Hope 40t expander
    Easton EC70 carbon bar 40 rise
    Everything else is standard XR spec

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    You can see how much of the travel I've used.
    I pretty much run it fully open mode front and back all the time, unless on a longish climb.

    I love this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Sorry, I do have the Debonair, should have made that clearer.

    Anyway, here it is:

    It was technically an XR but got a very good deal on it as it was a bitsa and had the Evo fork from a Dune and a low rent SRAM chainset from the base model Foxy I think.

    Upgraded the fork to Pikes, currently with 1 bottomless token.
    Shock upgraded to Monarch + Debonair
    Chainset upgraded to Raceface Turbine with 32t ring
    SRAM 1070 chain and cassette with Hope 40t expander
    Easton EC70 carbon bar 40 rise
    Everything else is standard XR spec

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    You can see how much of the travel I've used.
    I pretty much run it fully open mode front and back all the time, unless on a longish climb.

    I love this bike.
    Nice alrsv1.

    Can you notice a difference in plushness and mid support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Nice alrsv1.

    Can you notice a difference in plushness and mid support?

    Meh, didn't really notice a huge difference and that was what prompted my questions above regarding the sag and volume reducers. My lack of suspension expertise also makes it harder to know what I'm looking for I guess.

    I didn't really notice any particular problems with the Fox Float BV, I just got a case of upgrade-itis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    Meh, didn't really notice a huge difference and that was what prompted my questions above regarding the sag and volume reducers. My lack of suspension expertise also makes it harder to know what I'm looking for I guess.

    I didn't really notice any particular problems with the Fox Float BV, I just got a case of upgrade-itis.

    i've heard of a cure called chainreactioncyclephamine

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    @red ant: nice pics, that's one impressive drop in my book...
    @alrsv1: Did you drill the frame for the stealth dropper? I looks so on the pictures, but at the same time it seams like the cable entry is very high on the seat tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Nice colour branemb. Red on the raw looks business.

    Pics of the baby blue foxy pointing down. The foxy is so composed descending.



    Composed until your front wheel drops into the wholes in that woodwork?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Thanks gvs_nz

    Does the foxy have a high initial leverage ratio? Eg new reign in your example.

    My experience with the foxy suggests it doesn't have a high early LR as the ride early in travel is firm unless enough sag is run.

    Which means the corset or debonair will counter the anti squat and provide better small bump compliance and can still run higher pressure and hence achieve better mid stroke support, ie best of both worlds? Or its not as simple as that?

    The marketing material for the corset sounds perfect for the foxy...

    My knowledge on suspension theory is pretty basic
    It's not a sure thing just looking at suspension kinematics and predicting the ride. Opinions and terrain are huge variables as well.
    On paper the Foxy would suit the Debonair more than the reign for all round riding. But then you've got to look at the end design of the Reign. It's down hill rather than all round focused. From all accounts the Reign just eats up rough terrain . In part that will be due to adding the debonair on top of a high initial leverage ratio.

    The only sure thing is to try it unfortunately. It does ride like no other shock is all I can add. It has a two stage feel too it. Soft initial travel,l firmer midstroke and a nice squeeze out to use all your travel.A very two stage feel to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OysteinS View Post
    I am around 76 kg without any gear whatsoever, so maybe 85 geared up.

    I had 175psi in the Debonair, which gave 25% sag. I measured that I had 15mm of the end stroke unused.

    This evening, I took out four of the eight rubber bands, leaving four in the positive chamber, none in the negative. 175 psi, and 27% sag afterwards.

    After bouncing around in my garden, I manage to compress until 10mm left of the end stroke. On my Cube Stereo 140, with the CTD, I could bottom out the suspension easily by pushing the pedals down. I suspect that I can remove more bands, but I will see how it works, first. The rear end is really plush, maybe similar to the rear end of my Stereo, with the DBinline fitted.



    I use the LSC set at 'L' at all times. I see no point in the firmer settings, at least for now. Rebound is 5 clicks from fully open, I think, but not sure about that.

    The Pike have 25% sag, with a pressure of ~52 psi. Surprisingly low pressure, and I noticed that I was running with the LSC fully closed. The lockout is fully open, i.e. no pedal/lockout threshold. I think I should crank up the pressure to 60 to 70 psi, and open up the LSC. I forgot to check the rebound setting. I am probably loading the front too little. The front is too plush, I think, and I am using all the 160mm travel quite easily.

    Regards,
    My experience with the Debonair is it's unlike any other shock and I got the best out of it by using end of stroke rather than sag to set it up. You can add huge amounts of pressure and the sag does not change much in relation. I set all my shocks by riding seated over a big dip [g out] and add air until it stops bottoming. With most shocks too much air pressure adds a harsh intial travel so i then add travel spacers , reduce air pressure and repeat process. You will bottom on a g out seated more than on a trail as you are isolating most of the high speed compression damping and it's l air spring only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    It's not a sure thing just looking at suspension kinematics and predicting the ride. Opinions and terrain are huge variables as well.
    On paper the Foxy would suit the Debonair more than the reign for all round riding. But then you've got to look at the end design of the Reign. It's down hill rather than all round focused. From all accounts the Reign just eats up rough terrain . In part that will be due to adding the debonair on top of a high initial leverage ratio.

    The only sure thing is to try it unfortunately. It does ride like no other shock is all I can add. It has a two stage feel too it. Soft initial travel,l firmer midstroke and a nice squeeze out to use all your travel.A very two stage feel to it.
    Thanks gvs_nz for your advice. Like you said I will only know by trying it so I have placed an order!

    I think there's a backlog so need to wait til they restock before receiving.

    Good news is my mate bought the identical bike after having a go on mine, a 2015 foxy alloy XR in blue. Even same size. So we can compare the stock CTD to the Corset Can over the same section of trail to gauge back to back difference.

    That's the idea anyways... we might be too dumb to notice lol

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    Awesome! Be sure to share what you learn. I'd love to hear what you think riding the two setups back to back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Thanks gvs_nz for your advice. Like you said I will only know by trying it so I have placed an order!

    I think there's a backlog so need to wait til they restock before receiving.

    Good news is my mate bought the identical bike after having a go on mine, a 2015 foxy alloy XR in blue. Even same size. So we can compare the stock CTD to the Corset Can over the same section of trail to gauge back to back difference.

    That's the idea anyways... we might be too dumb to notice lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    @red ant: nice pics, that's one impressive drop in my book...
    @alrsv1: Did you drill the frame for the stealth dropper? I looks so on the pictures, but at the same time it seams like the cable entry is very high on the seat tube.

    Nope it's just a standard Reverb, cable just goes up the other side.

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    So, my volume reducers arrived today and I'm still not sure if I need them or not, since I'm not using all the travel.

    But question: When you take the outer air can off there is two distinct chambers where you can put the bands. Which chamber are they supposed to go in? or can they go in either? And what is the different effect of putting them in either chamber, if any?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    So, my volume reducers arrived today and I'm still not sure if I need them or not, since I'm not using all the travel.

    But question: When you take the outer air can off there is two distinct chambers where you can put the bands. Which chamber are they supposed to go in? or can they go in either? And what is the different effect of putting them in either chamber, if any?

    Thanks in advance.
    If you are running the right pressure and feeling good at the beginning of the travel with nice mid stroke support, you might need to remove any default spacers from the positive chamber first. If you didn't have any spacers there, then you might try slowly add spacers to the negative chamber.
    You have to make sure to ride the bike hard before making any changes. Jumps, rock gardens, etc. You need to learn what your are looking for the shock to do.

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    Hi, i'm choosing my wheelset for now, but i'm a bit in doubt about which one i should go,
    first of all, i was thinking about the Mavic crossmax slr Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5-52303d139c8ea.jpg
    But then i saw those xtr m9000
    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5-600x600-99195-pb111056-1.jpg
    the price i would pay for the last one is about 600€ ( +- 650 usd)
    or i could spend 650 € for the mavic (+- 700 usd)
    i'm unsure since i've saw the last one, i was thinking its kinda good i guess, but wanted more advices about them, so please tell me more if you could Or just give me your opinion, like should i go for mavic (the only brand i've owned since now) or give a try to the xtr and save 50 bucks.
    thanks guys.

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    A new update on my experience with the Monarch Plus.

    I have now hade a few rounds with 8 spacers, 4 spacers and none in the postive chamber.
    Same tracks each time, and approximately same riding style, not too harsh, no air time, but lots of roots and rocks, and moderate speed.

    8 spacers -> 15 unused travel
    4 spacers -> 10mm unused travel
    0 spacers -> used all travel, but did not feel any harsh bottom-out.

    So I need to experiment with 1 to 3 spacers, I think. Starting off with two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OysteinS View Post
    A new update on my experience with the Monarch Plus.

    I have now hade a few rounds with 8 spacers, 4 spacers and none in the postive chamber.
    Same tracks each time, and approximately same riding style, not too harsh, no air time, but lots of roots and rocks, and moderate speed.

    8 spacers -> 15 unused travel
    4 spacers -> 10mm unused travel
    0 spacers -> used all travel, but did not feel any harsh bottom-out.

    So I need to experiment with 1 to 3 spacers, I think. Starting off with two.

    I put 2 in the positive chamber (that's the larger one right?) and rode the same track as last week. Same sag at just under 30 (28% I'd say).

    This time I have 18mm unused travel, and i think it felt more plush, although it could be my imagination, but I definitely preferred the feel this time.

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    Well, I'm now on board a 2015 Medium Foxy XR. Only 1 ride in but pretty impressed so far. I think I have slight play from what I'd refer to as the main pivot just above the bb shell (the bolt that passes through the front triangle and lower linkage plate) before I start messing are any of the bolts on these opposite thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    The dreaded moment has arrived - a cracked rear triangle on 2014 frame
    Mondraker frames are actually quite famous for that but I thought that was a thing of the past. And I am in no way an aggressive rider. Does anyone have any experience how long does the warranty replacement procedure take?
    Just 8 days after I contacted the local dealer with the warranty claim a replacement triangle has arrived. Well done Mondraker! The triangle is a 2015 model with a kinked vertical brace, but whats impressive is that Mondraker obviously stocked replacement triangles with raw finish and matching colour decals of 2014 models. Mine came with red decals as it is base Foxy model frame, so one can't notice that the triangle has been replaced. So a new triangle for Foxy R would come with green and for Foxy XR with blue decals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alrsv1 View Post
    I put 2 in the positive chamber (that's the larger one right?) and rode the same track as last week. Same sag at just under 30 (28% I'd say).

    This time I have 18mm unused travel, and i think it felt more plush, although it could be my imagination, but I definitely preferred the feel this time.
    I'd try at least 4 and work back. Just using two is quite often very hard to detect. Once again I suggest riding seated g out for initial tuning. Less variables and easier to see the affect of volume change on travel.
    But if your not usin 18mm of travel that's an awful lot. Don't forget some shocks have some exposed shock body even when bottomed out. Always measure both tarvel used and sag[ don't use RS % sag indicators]. I cut and mark a card with relevant increments like 15, 20 , 50 55 etc and use that to gauge the travel used. i also measure travel used on a smooth climb as another indicator.
    With a Debonair i certainly wouldn't try and get the same sag as you got with the OEM shock. you should be getting a lot more. that's the point it has a bigger negative spring. try 35% and remove all your vol spacers . Set your pressure to try and use most of your travel on a seated g out. . You should use less on the trail when standing and descending.
    Normally you'd add air or vol spacers to stop bottom out and the reverse if you the suspension starts banging on the descents. Vise versa.
    with the Deboniar you can also play with the negative spring to influence the sog on climbs to a point where you feel it's banging on the descents again. It's a much more complicated shock to tune. Play around with the positive air volume first and live with the extra sag until you get more used to it or get to appreciate it's positive aspects . You should find that on a smoth climbs it sags more but comes to a point where the positive chamber starts compressing. The less vol spacers and more air pressure you use the more firm that 2nd initial stage feels. The more vol spacers and lower air pressure you use the more seemless the transition will be but soggy on the climbs.
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    Hi, wonder if someone has some experience with sizing. I'm 5.8 tall and looking at reach compared to my current bike (2011 Marin Mount Vision size M). To keep the reach not too stretched I should ride a 10mm stem on a size M Foxy (which about compares to my Marin with 70mm stem). Should I move to size S to have more options? The seattube length on a size S is really small or do you think that doesn't matter at al?

    And what kind of effect does the seattube angle have on the riderposition? The Marin has a 73.5 angle and the Foxy a 75 angle. Reach doesn't look at the position of the seattube and I think that a 75 angle is closer to the headtube. So maybe this may compensate the reach on a size M?

    @going_downhill : would you be able to measure the effective top tube on your M? And what size are you?

    Thanks!

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    After some rides without any spacers, I would say that the RP+ Debonair feels too plush, like it is using a lot of travel on small, but lengthy bumps, a little sluggish, maybe. Good on the descents, but not very nice when climbing. Perhaps my reluctance to touch the LSC should be reconsidered. I keep it at 'L' all time, since the anti squat is working very well.

    I think I'll put in two spacers, and have them in there for a longer period, this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betzel View Post
    Hi, wonder if someone has some experience with sizing. I'm 5.8 tall and looking at reach compared to my current bike (2011 Marin Mount Vision size M). To keep the reach not too stretched I should ride a 10mm stem on a size M Foxy (which about compares to my Marin with 70mm stem). Should I move to size S to have more options? The seattube length on a size S is really small or do you think that doesn't matter at al?

    And what kind of effect does the seattube angle have on the riderposition? The Marin has a 73.5 angle and the Foxy a 75 angle. Reach doesn't look at the position of the seattube and I think that a 75 angle is closer to the headtube. So maybe this may compensate the reach on a size M?

    @going_downhill : would you be able to measure the effective top tube on your M? And what size are you?

    Thanks!
    steeper ST = more reach = a better position on the bike when standing(reach is the distance btw a vertical line from the bottom bracket and a vertical line from the top of the head-tube)
    steeper ST= better position when pedaling up-hill = more efficient

    if you have read Foxy reviews, you would have seen that it is an excellent climber due to its anti-squat and ST angle.



    edit. I'm following for some time this thread but never commented; I've read the discussion regarding the rear suspension and I want to be sure that I understood it as it was explained:

    fox ctd lacks/doesn't offer to much support at the end of the travel(bottoms-out easily) but it is effective in the first and middle part

    rs with DB can is less reactive on the first part(worse damping) and goes through travel quickly but offers support at the end of the travel(your chances to bottom-out are drastically reduced)

    is there a win-win situation?, because I like the frame and I am currently ok with the over the front-center style of riding..but I would want to have a correct working suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EugenM View Post
    steeper ST = more reach = a better position on the bike when standing(reach is the distance btw a vertical line from the bottom bracket and a vertical line from the top of the head-tube)
    steeper ST= better position when pedaling up-hill = more efficient
    As you wrote in your explanation, reach is independent of the STA, so a steeper STA doesn't give you a longer reach. All other things held equal, it gives you a shorter ETT.

    I agree that a steeper STA is a benefit for seated climbing on steep angles. That's why I like a long reach and shorter ETT on my AM bike. For a XC bike I'd want a slacker STA and a longer cockpit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    As you wrote in your explanation, reach is independent of the STA, so a steeper STA doesn't give you a longer reach. All other things held equal, it gives you a shorter ETT.
    I didn't say they were dependent on each other.....but, IMO, they are inter-dependent because a frame with a steeper ST will have more reach than a frame with a slacker SA, considering a same length of the ETT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EugenM View Post
    I didn't say they were dependent on each other.....but, IMO, they are inter-dependent because a frame with a steeper ST will have more reach than a frame with a slacker SA, considering a same length of the ETT.

    cheers,
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    Agreed, but why would you consider that the ETT would be the same? That's true only in that limited case, which is why I objected to a blanket statement like "steeper STA = longer reach." All geometry numbers are interconnected in the final product. But since reach is measured completely independent of STA, two bikes could have identical reaches, HTAs, wheelbase lengths, and chainstay lengths but have quite different STAs and ETTs. And that in turn suggests a lot about how the bike will fit.

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    Thanks. If I look at eff. TT and compare my current bike (and 70mm stem) to a M Foxy, the Foxy would be the same (30mm stem). So that would point to a size M. Agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betzel View Post
    Thanks. If I look at eff. TT and compare my current bike (and 70mm stem) to a M Foxy, the Foxy would be the same (30mm stem). So that would point to a size M. Agree?
    I can't take that decision for you but, what I can tell you is that I'm 5'8" and I would take the M size as well.

    cheers,
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    Of course :-) Thanks! I pulled the trigger for an M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EugenM View Post
    steeper ST = more reach = a better position on the bike when standing(reach is the distance btw a vertical line from the bottom bracket and a vertical line from the top of the head-tube)
    steeper ST= better position when pedaling up-hill = more efficient

    if you have read Foxy reviews, you would have seen that it is an excellent climber due to its anti-squat and ST angle.



    edit. I'm following for some time this thread but never commented; I've read the discussion regarding the rear suspension and I want to be sure that I understood it as it was explained:

    fox ctd lacks/doesn't offer to much support at the end of the travel(bottoms-out easily) but it is effective in the first and middle part

    rs with DB can is less reactive on the first part(worse damping) and goes through travel quickly but offers support at the end of the travel(your chances to bottom-out are drastically reduced)

    is there a win-win situation?, because I like the frame and I am currently ok with the over the front-center style of riding..but I would want to have a correct working suspension.
    You have the ctd wrong. The bottom out can be easily control by tokens like any shock. The middle support is the problem but it seems the new vorsprung sleeve fixes the problem. I'm getting mine on Tuesday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betzel View Post
    Hi, wonder if someone has some experience with sizing. I'm 5.8 tall and looking at reach compared to my current bike (2011 Marin Mount Vision size M). To keep the reach not too stretched I should ride a 10mm stem on a size M Foxy (which about compares to my Marin with 70mm stem). Should I move to size S to have more options? The seattube length on a size S is really small or do you think that doesn't matter at al?

    And what kind of effect does the seattube angle have on the riderposition? The Marin has a 73.5 angle and the Foxy a 75 angle. Reach doesn't look at the position of the seattube and I think that a 75 angle is closer to the headtube. So maybe this may compensate the reach on a size M?

    @going_downhill : would you be able to measure the effective top tube on your M? And what size are you?

    Thanks!
    Betzel I measured the ETT on my medium frame.

    From middle of steerer cap to middle of seatpost, and parallel to the ground is 63cm.




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    Ride Report

    After riding some of my favorite local trails on my new Foxy, I'm starting to get a feel for how the bike rides....

    ...Um well, it's pretty awesome. Where do I start? It corners so intuitively - in a way that I haven't experienced before. It carves sweeping back-to-back corners with grace. Flat corners? It rails. Come up on a tight corner at speed? Letting the rear wheel slide as you apex feels so controlled.

    It also feels more stable and controlled at speed than a 140mm bike should rightfully be. In WFO sections on the trail, it is very confidence inspiring, egging me on to push a little harder each time. I've found my line choices in steep, stepped corners littered with wet roots and rocks greatly expanded. The Foxy is very happy to use edges/features of corners that I would normally consider too risky to carve a line through on other bikes.

    I'm also very impressed by the pedaling efficiency of the Zero linkage. Like some of the more well know parallel link designs, the Foxy is happy to be just left in "descend" mode unless there are long sections of pavement to climb.

    My take on the forward geometry is very positive. I've gone through a progression of longer and slacker bikes. A medium Santa Cruz Bronson, to a medium Orbea Rallon, to a large Santa Cruz Nomad and now a medium Foxy. A longer wheelbase and slacker head angle does not automatically equate to a sluggish ride. This is the most fun bike of the list by far.

    If anything the Foxy design could be even made a little longer/slacker. My particular setup has a Fox 36 set to 150mm with a Works Components -1 degree headset. With the shorter axle-to-crown of the Fox 36 compared to the stock Fox 34, this makes the bike a little slacker and longer without raising the bottom bracket height. I also ordered the 20mm stem with the bike, fully intent on ditching the stock 30mm stem. But the reach with the 30mm stem felt perfect. I wouldn't want it shorter.

    More to come as I get more saddle time but so far, the Foxy rips!

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    Foxbat, glad to hear you're liking the bike. Agree about the lengths could be a bit longer to enable 10/20 stems to be used. 30 seems just right for the current model. Sounds like a nice combination with the Fox 36 and WC headset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxbat View Post
    After riding some of my favorite local trails on my new Foxy, I'm starting to get a feel for how the bike rides....

    ...Um well, it's pretty awesome. Where do I start? It corners so intuitively - in a way that I haven't experienced before. It carves sweeping back-to-back corners with grace. Flat corners? It rails. Come up on a tight corner at speed? Letting the rear wheel slide as you apex feels so controlled.

    It also feels more stable and controlled at speed than a 140mm bike should rightfully be. In WFO sections on the trail, it is very confidence inspiring, egging me on to push a little harder each time. I've found my line choices in steep, stepped corners littered with wet roots and rocks greatly expanded. The Foxy is very happy to use edges/features of corners that I would normally consider too risky to carve a line through on other bikes.

    I'm also very impressed by the pedaling efficiency of the Zero linkage. Like some of the more well know parallel link designs, the Foxy is happy to be just left in "descend" mode unless there are long sections of pavement to climb.

    My take on the forward geometry is very positive. I've gone through a progression of longer and slacker bikes. A medium Santa Cruz Bronson, to a medium Orbea Rallon, to a large Santa Cruz Nomad and now a medium Foxy. A longer wheelbase and slacker head angle does not automatically equate to a sluggish ride. This is the most fun bike of the list by far.

    If anything the Foxy design could be even made a little longer/slacker. My particular setup has a Fox 36 set to 150mm with a Works Components -1 degree headset. With the shorter axle-to-crown of the Fox 36 compared to the stock Fox 34, this makes the bike a little slacker and longer without raising the bottom bracket height. I also ordered the 20mm stem with the bike, fully intent on ditching the stock 30mm stem. But the reach with the 30mm stem felt perfect. I wouldn't want it shorter.

    More to come as I get more saddle time but so far, the Foxy rips!
    Thanks for sharing and awesome feedback. Can you share pics of your foxy with the changes?


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    First Ride with the corset:

    WOW.. The old fox can 27% sag 155 psi biggest token. The new corset can 33% sag 195 psi second smallest token.

    The middle support and small bump compliance are unbelievable. I was able to put the power down in rocky technical climbs like an XC bike with the traction. Descending was controlled and predictable. The 33% sag just soaked all the small bumps. The bike just felt alive. The corset is a winner for our suspension system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    First Ride with the corset:

    WOW.. The old fox can 27% sag 155 psi biggest token. The new corset can 33% sag 195 psi second smallest token.

    The middle support and small bump compliance are unbelievable. I was able to put the power down in rocky technical climbs like an XC bike with the traction. Descending was controlled and predictable. The 33% sag just soaked all the small bumps. The bike just felt alive. The corset is a winner for our suspension system.
    That's great news. I've been looking at the Corset myself and wondering how it would work given the Foxy's linkage. I may have to give one a try now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    First Ride with the corset:

    WOW.. The old fox can 27% sag 155 psi biggest token. The new corset can 33% sag 195 psi second smallest token.

    The middle support and small bump compliance are unbelievable. I was able to put the power down in rocky technical climbs like an XC bike with the traction. Descending was controlled and predictable. The 33% sag just soaked all the small bumps. The bike just felt alive. The corset is a winner for our suspension system.
    Good news mgfjd12. I am waiting for arrival of corset. What size token spacer was stock in your ctd can?

    Your not having bottoming out issues like some are reporting?


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    The stock token spacer on the ctd shock is the one that I am using with the Corset now. The second smallest one.
    I need more testing but I might put the smallest one.
    No bottom out issues so far.
    Our suspension is progressive regressive and I believe it is an excellent match for this can. The middle shock support makes me want to attack the power climbs and race XC class again. Just kidding.. enduro racing here...
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    No problem with my mondraker foxy. I have the second smallest volume reducer installed. I might do testing without any tokens. Great air sleeve.
    Thank you. This air sleeve is a must for our bikes. Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5-uploadfromtaptalk1427670528757.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    No problem with my mondraker foxy. I have the second smallest volume reducer installed. I might do testing without any tokens. Great air sleeve.
    Thank you. This air sleeve is a must for our bikes. Click image for larger version. 

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    Thanks mgfjd12. So no issues with the corset negative chamber bulge and clearance with the shock cage?

    Here is a pic of my cage. Looks like the bulge might rub the reverb stealth hose and wear over time?

    Still waiting delivery for the corset




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    What size drop and length Reverb goes in a Medium frame? The website only states 31.6.........

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    I've been experimenting with different set ups. Mine is currently in "XC mode", 2x drivetrian, 140mm fork and non-dropper seatpost. I have to admit, it's not as much fun as it was in trail mode...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betzel View Post
    What size drop and length Reverb goes in a Medium frame? The website only states 31.6.........
    Any size M riders care to share? Big thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betzel View Post
    Any size M riders care to share? Big thanks!
    On the size medium, the Reverb is the 125mm travel / 420mm length version.

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    Thanks Foxbat!

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    I can confirm that the 150mm Stealth does not fully insert in the medium carbon frame. Without the hose It gets wedged about 22mm before full insertion. The hose also fouls and you have to run non-connectamajig strain relief and I still get a slight weep of fluid and have to bleed regularly.

    For my 5'8" gf this works with an old style Specialized Phenom saddle which is very shallow.

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    Love my Foxy!

    I love my Foxy but time has come to sell. I just listed the frameset on eBay- sad day!
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    Foxy XR

    Hi all, reading through this thread a while back convinced me to get one of these bikes so I built up a aluminium Foxy XR earlier this year.

    Been on the bike now a couple months and love it. Coming from a motocross background the technique to riding this is similar, head over the bars weighting the front for endless grip. Awesome bike when the trail gets fast and flowing and climbs like a goat too!

    Foxy XR aluminium frame, medium
    150mm pikes
    35mm wide Light Bicycle wheels , set up tubeless
    SLX brakes
    Zee drivetrain with 32T raceface NW

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    Damn good looking bike Waldo42
    The wheelset fit nicely with the frame Imo

    Ordering parts from mine, i will keep you update folks,
    For now:
    L frame (i'm 178cm (5 feet and 10.0787 inches i think ^^))
    Magura mt5
    Shimano xtr (but centerlock :/ ) or Mavic SLR (still wondering from my previous post if someone have any idea/ advice, don't be shy, help me )
    RTC3 or marzochi 350 CR (i think i'll go for the marzochi)

    First time i'm building my own bike, so it takes (way too) much time, but i do it slow, i prefer to avoid stupid mistakes, and i will probably come again for advices/pics of the progression during the build..

    Keep you in touch.

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    Very nice Waldo42. Good to see the FD-mount is separate from the shock fender. You can't really teller from the pics of the frame on internet. Hoping to pick up my frameset tomorrow! And i'm going to run a single ring also.

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    Hey LR

    I had a S**Toy from BOS with their own needle roller bearings, it wouldn't fit my Spesh Enduro (at the time) so i never tried the bearings.

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    Hey LR, do you have a dealer who will sell the Dune frame with the Kirk?
    that would be nice
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    Well,

    I finally took my foxy for a ride on the weekend. Did 24 km on Saturday on a very flowy 29er friendly set of trails. First thing I noticed was that there was no pedal bob what so ever. What a difference from a SC. The bike looks raked out but does not feel like that when you ride, just like my Summum. Turning in the tight stuff was werid at first but after 10 min it was fine. My carbon rims sure role fast and are stiff!

    Here are some pictures.

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    I'm building mine and I noticed that the brakes don't clear the toptube. Might be a big problem in a crash! I installed an Acros Blocklock headset to prevent the brakes crashing in to the toptube.

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    This has been far the best thread ive read anywhere in a while.

    I come from a motocross/enduro background and looking for a new mtb, only had the privlage of hardtails for now which has it pitfalls, Mondraker sounds like down my street but need to check them out in the shops.

    Ideally I would love to build one from scratch but financially never going to be viable just now, can get a cracking a deal on the Mondraker Foxy Alu with one of the first things to change are the forks with other components over time, my main question; is there any difference in the Foxy, Foxy R or Foxy XR frame?

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    Finally took mine for a proper ride today. What a bike. Made every climb and was too fast on some descents, and the steering is nice. I like the 160 on it since it slackens it out nicely. A lot better than my old SC carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M4rk View Post
    This has been far the best thread ive read anywhere in a while.

    I come from a motocross/enduro background and looking for a new mtb, only had the privlage of hardtails for now which has it pitfalls, Mondraker sounds like down my street but need to check them out in the shops.

    Ideally I would love to build one from scratch but financially never going to be viable just now, can get a cracking a deal on the Mondraker Foxy Alu with one of the first things to change are the forks with other components over time, my main question; is there any difference in the Foxy, Foxy R or Foxy XR frame?
    Firstly to answer your question : in 2015 model year alloy frames are exactly the same throughout the range. In 2014 there was a difference in rear dropouts where base model had 9mm QR, while Foxy R & XR had 12mm thru axle. This year all models have 12mm axle.

    Last year I did exactly what you're thinking of doing. I got a base Foxy model on a good deal, than swapped most of the OEM parts and sold them off. The result was a bike with a better than XR spec for the list price of a base model. Check some of my older posts in this thread for bike spec and pics.

    If you do get the base Foxy the first thing to swap is the 32 stanchion fork that really don't do this bike just. Afterwards, OEM brakes would go cause they are rubbish. And so it goes... ;-)

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    Both the ali and carbon frames are available as frame only options in the XR colours. Might be cheaper than stripping base model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Both the ali and carbon frames are available as frame only options in the XR colours. Might be cheaper than stripping base model?
    It all depends on how good of a deal you find in the first place. The fact is that frame only options are rarely discounted within a current model year, while fully builds are more readily discounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    Firstly to answer your question : in 2015 model year alloy frames are exactly the same throughout the range. In 2014 there was a difference in rear dropouts where base model had 9mm QR, while Foxy R & XR had 12mm thru axle. This year all models have 12mm axle.

    Last year I did exactly what you're thinking of doing. I got a base Foxy model on a good deal, than swapped most of the OEM parts and sold them off. The result was a bike with a better than XR spec for the list price of a base model. Check some of my older posts in this thread for bike spec and pics.

    If you do get the base Foxy the first thing to swap is the 32 stanchion fork that really don't do this bike just. Afterwards, OEM brakes would go cause they are rubbish. And so it goes... ;-)
    Excellent, just what I wanted to hear about the 2015 frames 😄

    Going to wait 2 months until eligible for cycle 2 work scheme again, plus though a particular shop I can get an extra 15% off, with this and more time to save will be able to get the Pike RC 160's, maybe the RCT's at a push, along with decent breaks.

    countdown is on 😛

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    mgfjd12 or anyone else that has one - any more updates on the corset? Birthday is coming soon and looking at spending my birthday pennies on one of these

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    Quote Originally Posted by kester View Post
    mgfjd12 or anyone else that has one - any more updates on the corset? Birthday is coming soon and looking at spending my birthday pennies on one of these


    Received and installed last week. However I've ordered new drivetrain and brakes so haven't had a chance to take her out on the trails yet.

    I have hopped around on the street with the corset so have an impression but cannot really say until a proper ride. Impression from hopping around:

    Fox sleeve for 30% sag needs 130psi (with digital gauge)
    Corset sleeve for 30% sag needs 180psi

    Top end definitely more sensitive when doing small chatter pumps with my feet

    Mid stroke firmer

    Hopping and slamming down hard ramps up much more and o ring does not blow off the shaft. Reaches full travel though.

    So it seems to do what it claims but really won't know how it "feels" until climbing and descending on trails


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    Cheers Red Ant can you post again when you have had a proper ride please

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    ordered a corset air can. for anyone that has already got one were the seals already in place in the corset or did you have to transfer over the seals from your fox can??

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    Quote Originally Posted by kester View Post
    ordered a corset air can. for anyone that has already got one were the seals already in place in the corset or did you have to transfer over the seals from your fox can??
    Mine came with seals installed


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Mine came with seals installed
    Cheers, needn't have bothered asking as it arrived today after only ordering it yesterday!

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    Corset fitted, only ridden it for 8 miles on a bumpy river path near me but also has a few cattle grids and tree roots along the way and the difference is noticeable. small bump sensitivity is good it actually felt better over some bumps than the pike did. mid stroke support is firmer than the fox can was too. obviously there are no big drops on a river path so when riding i bounced on the pedals a few times to try and use full travel and only used about 4/5 on the o-ring, not sure if that means the corset can is doing a better job on bigger hits or if i wasn't using enough force to get it to reach full travel, but it did feel much firmer than the fox can whilst doing this.

    will give a better update when i have managed to get out properly, not sure when that will be as still sufferering effects of concussion from a crash in feb

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    hey,

    anyone else feel that the dt swiss axle that we got on our bikes is crap?!

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    Why do you think it is crap? Only did two rides on my Foxy and no complaint so far.
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    I find it keeps loosening off. I read a review that had the same issue, they were worried about loosing the nut on the right side.

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    Ok, I have no problem on the axle. Hope they stay away! I certainly prefer the Shimano/Fox however.

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    Anyone know the size of the seatpost clamp?

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    Vorsprung corset update:

    I've now had a chance to put in some rides on the new air sleeve to give some thoughts.

    My usual trails are dirty and rocky.

    Climbs can be technical with repeated square edge rocks and roots.

    Descents are rocky with various drops and gaps. Couple of the drops are 5 footers to flats.

    Running 30% sag (sag measured whilst seated), found the shock too harsh on small bump compliance on slow technical climbs.

    Running 33% sag (15psi less than 30% sag with digital gauge) rear was smooth on small bumps and square edge climbs. Mid stroke firmer so on fast descents the bike sits higher in travel and feels much more poppy.

    However with the firm mid stroke I did have to speed up rebound a few clicks to stop it feeling wooden in midstroke. (I think maybe cause mid stroke is firmer, the rebound was causing the shock to get bogged in the mid stroke longer). Bike now doesn't blow travel so easily and on the drops to flat, feels more supportive.

    I am very happy with the conversion and IMHO the corset suits the suspension design of the foxy (ie it counters the anti squat so allow you to run higher psi without compromising small bump sensitivity)

    Only downsides I see is that the reverb hose is tight around the larger negative chamber. Hopefully it won't rub the hose too much over time and leak dot fluid.

    The corset air sleeve is cheap, so give it a go and hope you have similar positive experiences. Would love to hear what others think too



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    Depeche4 yeah the axle is crap. I'm paranoid of losing my drive side axle nut when removing the wheel


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Depeche4 yeah the axle is crap. I'm paranoid of losing my drive side axle nut when removing the wheel


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    I ordered another one along with a hanger from silver fish. Considering I would be screwed with no dealers in Canada if something did happen.

    More than happy with the bike. Screams to go faster. That has caused me to hit the deck a few times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    I ordered another one along with a hanger from silver fish. Considering I would be screwed with no dealers in Canada if something did happen.

    More than happy with the bike. Screams to go faster. That has caused me to hit the deck a few times.

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    Yeah that's a good idea dave. I might do the same. Can you order the nut solely or the whole axle assembly?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Yeah that's a good idea dave. I might do the same. Can you order the nut solely or the whole axle assembly?


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    just the nut

    http://www.silverfish-uk.com/Product...t-Nut-142x12mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    Thanks dave!


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    no worries!

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    Normally it should be a 34.9 whilst using a 31.6 seatpost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betzel View Post
    Normally it should be a 34.9 whilst using a 31.6 seatpost.
    sweet! I am going to get a better clamp like a thomson. Had one of those on my SC and it never slipped.

    dave

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