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    Monarch Plus Debonair on the Foxy

    Success.

    Fits fine on my Medium frame, only one minor snag, the compression lever, if set to the "Mid" setting, when fully compressed, the tip of the lever will touch the frame. When bottoming out harshly, there will probably be some breakage to the lever and axle. Can be fixed by filing off a few mm from the lever. Or avoid using the Mid setting.

    I got the Mid/Mid tune, and I'll consider buying the Low/Low tuning kit, and see how I can get the best performance out of it. Too bad weather for a ride now, so I'll find out more during the next days.

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    Whats the best monrach plus tune for the foxy?

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    What tune is standard on the rp23? On my santa cruz it was a low tune. Never really seen a Monarch with a low tune.

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    The Fox Float CTD that I took off the Foxy has tune ID "CMGD". There is an volume spacer in the air can, as well. I haven't succeeded in finding out the actual tune yet. Perhaps somebody could ask either Mondraker or Fox what tuning "CMGD" is supposed to be?

    According to the leverage ratio and the charts from SRAM, the tuning should be somewhere between Low and Mid. And I probably should put in some volume reducers.

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    Hi guys

    Can you run a reverb stealth on the 2014 foxy XR ali frame?

    Oli

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    Williamk,

    Can you explain how you ran the stealth dropper?

    Oli

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    Mine ships on Monday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    Mine ships on Monday!
    your what? foxy frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    your what? foxy frame?

    dave
    Yep!

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    kirk,

    did you get a carbon or an alloy one? Where did you get it from if you do not mind me asking?
    Do not see too many of those over here in North America. I love my Summum, hands down the best dh bike I have ridden and it might be only a handful over here.
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    the photos of this bike literally made me shiver. What a tremendous piece of artwork.

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    anyone try the crafty out yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    kirk,

    did you get a carbon or an alloy one? Where did you get it from if you do not mind me asking?
    Do not see too many of those over here in North America. I love my Summum, hands down the best dh bike I have ridden and it might be only a handful over here.
    dave
    Where are you ordering your frame/bike from? Im looking to get one too...

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    I got my Summum frame from single track bikes in Scotland. I am just waiting to hear from them about shipping. The NEC bike show was this weekend in the UK. I think Silver fish is getting all the new Mondraker stuff this week. I am either getting mine from Single track or High Peak Cycles outside of Manchester.

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    Has anyone found the back of the 2014 foxy Ali frame fleXy. Just wanted to check before buying one rather than getting the 2015 frame which is supposed to have a stiffer rear end ? If it's alteady stuff then great

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    I bought the alloy one. I got it trough industry channels... I know a guy who knows a guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    kirk,

    did you get a carbon or an alloy one? Where did you get it from if you do not mind me asking?
    Do not see too many of those over here in North America. I love my Summum, hands down the best dh bike I have ridden and it might be only a handful over here.
    dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by OysteinS View Post
    Perhaps somebody could ask either Mondraker or Fox what tuning "CMGD" is supposed to be?
    The friendly Norwegian Fox representative (CyklOn) responded quite quickly:

    Tune "CMGD" is:
    Boost valve 200, light rebound tune,light velocity tune.

    The size of the volume spacer is not yet known, but it shouldn't be hard to find out, really.

    For the Mid/Mid Monarch Plus, I will get the following items from SRAM, and retune myself:

    11.4118.023.052 Tune Assy, Monarch Plus Reb-Low/Comp-Low (CF-80lbs), LF-320, B1
    11.4118.042.000 Bottomless Ring Kit for Monarch/Vivid Air (includes volume adjust rings, qty 9)
    Last edited by OysteinS; 09-29-2014 at 04:09 AM.

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    Got the answer from Mondraker now, Light compression/Light rebound along with some volume spacers for the Monarch was the recommended tune. I really like companies that let their engineers answer customers in a proper way. They are unsure if the Monarch Plus fits, but it does indeed fit on my frame.

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    Can anyone comment on how stiff th back end of the 2014 aluminium foxy is?

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    2015 site live guys

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    Maverick. Have you found the back end of your foxy plenty stiff enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olibluegoat View Post
    Maverick. Have you found the back end of your foxy plenty stiff enough?
    Im riding a Dune.

    No issue with stiffness of bike, std wheelset is the issue, shock tune on Foxys maybe more the culprit than the rear frame member. They have made the rear 15s stronger from what I understand on the Foxys.

    Weve had had no issues, but just check wheels and shock if worried about stiffness first. If people worried aout that a frame only then build your components would be best way to go or sell off some sfock parts.

    Even 2015 speccs seem a little interesing to me on some models.

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    You say made the raer end stronger. Is that on the current 2014 model or the new 2015 aluminium?

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    Re the Dune GEO 2015 if the sites accurate as theyre were a couple of mistakes in 2014 listings.

    The GEO is mostly the same except they have extended the fwd GEO by 10mm in the top tubes and added 30mm stem as std even on XRs.

    Weird one, maybe too many complaints about sizing, even though it was biggest in class, I also have both stems and for general riding prefer the 10mm over the 30mm by long way.

    Have this with a few people riding Summuns as well, you must unlearn bad habits setup bikes differently slightly to benefit from this, obviously hard to educate people, reading some Dirt articles and such like same conclusion, they seemed quite critical but people setup these bikes like theyre old ones and then expect it to work it wont. You dont get different results by doing the same thing, Dirt really surprised me, been doing a bit of heavy research latley, still so little out theyre.

    Apart from getting used to a radical design, that takes patience, setup with Zero stem or 10mm requires a bit of thought and testing, practice over same track or trail.

    For ex on my DH bike I run a bit more sag maybe 10psi less in my Air 40 than I would have on my old V10 for example, this helps weight the front wheel and maintain traction on the front, if you use a setting that worked on a conventional stem for example and geo frame then the front wheel will probably wash out, its all about balance, this way you can take advantage of the short stem for corneing and stability on steep stuff, your weight is not over the front wheel like a conventional stem so even with a slightly softer front end you wont suffer from a diving fron end or midstroke issues as balance is maintained. Good fork helps too.

    Its a fine balance but patience is rewarded once setup properly, Im still experimenting, Ive done this on the Dune as well but did this naturally from get go and Pike helps, so if you are finding it hard to maintain front wheel traction just fine tune your spring rate at the front before ditching the short stem.


    Im going to try longer CS setting on my Summun, has its own geo kit, I can run 4 cs setting, longer weights the front end more than the short setting without having to alter stem length, I dont feel a need for this, I just want to measure the effect and see what if any benefits theyre are from this, it maybe better on some tracks, maybe I can drive even harder into corners. But in short setting the bike is quite playful,

    First DH race of season I got 2nd, 400ths of a sec off first, no crashes and felt great on bike, except fitness bit off with being crook a few weeks back so suffered in pedalling hard down some section, but techy stuff was definitely making up times, lots of tight corners off camber etc so pretty happy to start that way.

    Team had a first in juniors and 3rd in open womens good weekend.

    site looks good aye, get into it enjoy and disect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olibluegoat View Post
    You say made the raer end stronger. Is that on the current 2014 model or the new 2015 aluminium?
    Yeah I posted a link back a few pages with releases of 2015 snippets and that was mentioned.

    We have had no issues as far as I know on 2014 Foxys we have sold out there, but anything can happen and someone will always break something on any bike, it is just getting accurate info that is hardest. Lol.

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    I saw the mondarker guys at the cycle show last week and they mentioned the extra 10mm on the top tube. I wonder why they have doen that? I thought it was pretty long anyway?

    They mentioned the lighter and stiffervraer end. Ive been offered a 2014 frame at a good price but wanted to make sure that i wasnt missing out if there was any significant improvements for 2015

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    Osco would like to know the wheel base of that steed ??


    45", 46" or less I would hope...

    Looks like 50"

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    I decided to go with the alloy one considering it is almost half the price of the carbon.
    However, I am getting some NOX carbon wheels with I9's for 1500. I would rather have nice stiff wheels. Considering I am coming off a carbon santa cruz with Cross Max sx's I found the rear end no so stiff. Went through 3 free hub bodies and one set of wheels in little less than two years.

    I think you will notice the stiffness with a nice wheel set than the frame.

    dave

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    Hi, I'm new to this thread.
    I got myself a base Foxy 2014 on a killer deal and swapped most of the parts except the fork and shock: stiffer wheels with through bolt, slx brakes, 1x10 narrow wide + 42t cassete conversion, clutch derraulier, dropper post... now plan is to get a pike in the near future and perhaps a shock replacement down the line.
    My old bike is nukeproof Mega 2012, which regardless of being slightly on the portly side was really good at climbing and a blast on the downhill parts. I've been looking for something lighter in 27'5 size so when the Mondraker deal came along i had to grab it.
    After about 10 rides I'm still trying to get used to it and it still just doesn't click yet. In technical climbing is better than Mega, but i can't decide if this is just down to bigger wheel size. What is bothering me though is that it feels very front heavy on drops and jumps. Just to clarify - I'm an average rider in my mid forties and quite modest on airtime. in other words quite enthusiastic but with limited skills ;-)
    There is a not very fast segment on one of my local rides with few drops followed by tight berms. Compared to Mega on the same drops i really have to pull the bar in order for the front end not to just dive under me and by doing that I often overshoot the berm. As mentioned before that part of trail is quite slow and there is not much speed when coming to drops. With Mega I would just let the bike flow, but the front end of Foxy just drops if I don't pull the bar. Is this the result of longer wheelbase (L Mega 1182mm, L Foxy 1220mm) or am I doing something wrong? It is set up with a 20mm spacer under the 30mm stem and the stock handlebar.

    I've been on two coil Lyrik's for the good part of the last 6 years and obviously one can't compare that with Air Fox float 32 Evo. I need to get one of RS Pikes soon to get some of that solid feeling.

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    160 fork on mega and 140 on foxy?

    Stick 160 fork in it, done

    I got 160mm fork on mine and have no issues with it, but yes, Foxy needs a while to re-adjust on the riding position try with different stem length and/or handlebar height.

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    I was contemplating this insane bike. Alas, I'm stateside. I realized however, that the Kona Process line has similar geometry if you size up. WB/TT/HA of a M Mondraker are pretty close to the L Kona. Not nearly as pretty though, the STA is 1 degree slacker, and multilink vs. single pivot. Thought this might be helpful for some of us USA guys pining after this thing.

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    This arrived yesterday. Didn't like the color on the web site, but in person it's great.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5-mondraker-foxy-xr.jpg  


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    Wow, looking good Kirk. This will be interesting, enjoy!

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    Just about to get the same frame. Looks amazing

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    That's purdy...

    Wish they were at Outerbike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    This arrived yesterday. Didn't like the color on the web site, but in person it's great.

    Kirk,

    it comes with a 30mm stem and a head set, correct?

    I am ordering mine tomorrow. Have to get up early to call the store in Scotland.

    dave

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    Dave,

    I believe it comes with the 10mm stem. But I ordered mine with a couple extra 30mm stems.


    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    Kirk,

    it comes with a 30mm stem and a head set, correct?

    I am ordering mine tomorrow. Have to get up early to call the store in Scotland.

    dave

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    It comes with 30mm stem. All foxys and dunes do now. 10mm is a special order. Not sure about the headset. Great if it does

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    just ordered mine.

    thanks to the fine people at single track bikes in scotland.

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    You lose nothing by sticking 160 fork in it, just a FYI

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    You lose nothing by sticking 160 fork in it, just a FYI
    I was thinking of safe solution (going half way ) and get a 150mm Pike.

    Although I want to test a bit more the OEM float 32 Evo that came as stock. I opened the fork few rides from new to check the oil levels and only about 20ml came out altogether! Recommended levels are 30ml each leg, 60ml in total. I changed the oil to 15wt with a correct quantity and the fork transformed completely. It is not too bad at all. I really don't understand folks at Fox, doing such poor favor to their own products...
    Last edited by branemb; 10-09-2014 at 08:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branemb View Post
    I was thinking of safe solution (going half way ) and get a 150mm Pike.

    Although I want to test a bit more the OEM float 32 Evo that came as stock. I opened the fork few rides from new to check the oil levels and only about 20ml came out altogether! Recommended levels are 30ml each leg, 60ml in total. I changed the oil to 15wt with a correct quantity and the fork transformed completely. It is not too bad at all. I really don't understand folks at Fox, doing such poor favor to their own products...
    I am doing the same, 150 Pike. I have a Float 32 150 TCD on my santa cruz and it is crap. I thought it was to be the greatest thing according to fox. I find the rock shox stuff is much better than fox. As for the 150 vs the 160, there is still a lot of climbing to be done around here.

    dave

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    Just ordered mine. Should be arriving next week

    Sticking some 150 pikes on it as well

    Just wondering about getting a monarch plus on there

    Does the frame come with a headset

    Oli

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    Hey Oli,

    I was told it does, FSA 57. And a 30mm on off stem. Might switch out the head set. I thought about a Monarch as well, sort of hard to find a low low tune. I would be getting the non piggyback version. That place in Germany has a good price on Pike's.

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    I know. Real bugger that you cant find any low low tunes. Any reason why not a piggy back? alhtough the new debonair is supposed to be very good

    I think ill run the headset that comes with it unti it dies on me

    Oli

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    I wouldn't go less than 160 on front since you can really ride this bike front-loaded, but that is my personal preference..

    Like i said, you lose nothing by going 160mm on front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    I wouldn't go less than 160 on front since you can really ride this bike front-loaded, but that is my personal preference..

    Like i said, you lose nothing by going 160mm on front.
    Not a big deal switching between the two. I have a 150mm solo air and to bump it to 160, all I have to do is change the air shaft. That can be had for around $40. No need to agonize over it with that in mind.

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    Hey,

    anyone here from Spain? Are there any stores that you know of that sell Mondraker jerseys?

    I have seen pictures of some pretty cool ones like the black 27.5 one but I talked to silverfish in the uk and they are not carrying anything.

    dave

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    Yeah man, that is bizarre that they lengthened the TT and wheelbase another 10mm. It would make more sense if they shortened it 10mm if anything. I wonder if they are trying to push us into a smaller size frame? I heard somewhere that they were starting to recommend a frame size smaller with the 30mm stem instead. This makes my decision a bit more confusing when I'm ready to order my Dune. Do I go for the Large with a 10mm stem or a Medium with a 30 or 20mm stem. Hmm... I wish I could compare them but that's impossible since I will be importing it from Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristecom View Post
    Yeah man, that is bizarre that they lengthened the TT and wheelbase another 10mm. It would make more sense if they shortened it 10mm if anything. I wonder if they are trying to push us into a smaller size frame? I heard somewhere that they were starting to recommend a frame size smaller with the 30mm stem instead. This makes my decision a bit more confusing when I'm ready to order my Dune. Do I go for the Large with a 10mm stem or a Medium with a 30 or 20mm stem. Hmm... I wish I could compare them but that's impossible since I will be importing it from Europe.
    They made the Dune geometry in line with the Foxy. The idea is help run the shortest possible stem.

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    Makes sense but I thought since the Dune is targeting a more aggressive/downhill market, they'd still want a shorter reach. I mean, it's still shorter by 10mm but 20mm shorter seemed ideal to me.

    But what's weird is that they're making the 30mm stems standard instead of the 10mm. This makes it 30mm longer than last year's with the 10mm shorter reach and 20mm shorter stem.

    I've heard some people say that Mondraker decided the 10mm stem was too unstable, while others say the change was only for the sake of styling or height adjustability. Who knows...

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    Hi Bristecom, Did you see the latest review on Bike radar. The wheels couldn't keep up with what the bike could do. Here are two comments that stand out:

    That's all to the good, because the Foxy Carbon is quick. Ridiculously quick

    On our relatively mild test loop, this mix of low weight, speed-enhancing suspension and corner crushing ability meant we put in times that matched and sometimes exceeded our best. Considering weíve wrestled short travel race rigs around in clips and this is a 140mm trail bike shod with flat pedals thatís not just impressive, itís bloody amazing


    Such comments have me considering an upgrade from tin to carbon. I reckon I can get a ridiculously fast and capable bike built under 12kg. Mines about 12.4kg now, so a next C crank and C frame and I'm humming.

    Anyway, the comments don't take stock of the fact that this geo is so good on very very steep stuff, keep that in mind.

    In any event, you should take stock in that further review, and embrace the geo proposition. The choice, if you intend to climb a lot, then go for a 30mm stem frame, if the equation is 40% or less climbing, the lean to the 10mm stem frame, because you will tend to be smashing down a lot more. And if that is the case, then you can have wider bars to slow it down - if it is (which I doubt) to quick. Don't forget the bar width will give you a fine tune as well.

    Good luck and get on a good thing soon mate.

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    The frame size recommendations havent changed. I contacted them to ask this. Going to a smaller size frame would defy the objectives that mondraker have for as long as possible. Will find out as my new f and arrives today.

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    They have stiffened and lightened the back end in the foxy and dune and improved the bearings also for this year

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    Thanks William. I ride a pretty even split of ups and downs but prefer more stability and control going down. Some say that the 30mm helps keep the weight over the front whereas the larger size with a 10mm stem would require a lot more movement or the bike will wash out. However, in that review you just noted, they did say it's much more gradual on the FG which I would definitely prefer over a sudden loss of grip. The front washing out is a bit worrisome with me since I've had that happen a few times and I broke my collarbone that way. But to be fair, I had a worn, fast rolling tread up front and was probably going way too fast for that loose surface. :P

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    In general when i've ridden the Foxy C all those loss of traction have been very controllable, bike behaves very well and predictably when you start to slide front/rear end, which happens a lot to me on wet season due to all of the roots i got around here.

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    Anybody with sag recommendations? I haven't been able to adjust my rear shock. I run 160 psi and I weight 187 lbs.. anybody with some settings?

    Edit, My pump might not be calibrated right.. so my PSI could be totally wrong.
    Last edited by mgfjd12; 10-17-2014 at 10:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    Anybody with sag recommendations? I haven't been able to adjust my rear shock. I run 160 psi and I weight 187 lbs.. anybody with some settings?
    I've recently purchased a frame only Medium XR carbon, I think by memory I'm at 180 psi & weigh 200 lbs. I've found shock pump dials to vary quite a lot. So I go by trail feel /feed back ,if I'm jumping I may add some more but the surprising thing is the shock seems to be performing very well. Great small bump compared to my old SB66c.


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    What sag is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    I've recently purchased a frame only Medium XR carbon, I think by memory I'm at 180 psi & weigh 200 lbs. I've found shock pump dials to vary quite a lot. So I go by trail feel /feed back ,if I'm jumping I may add some more but the surprising thing is the shock seems to be performing very well. Great small bump compared to my old SB66c.

    How tall are you and which parts came with the frameset?

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    Makes sense but I thought since the Dune is targeting a more aggressive/downhill market, they'd still want a shorter reach. I mean, it's still shorter by 10mm but 20mm shorter seemed ideal to me.

    But what's weird is that they're making the 30mm stems standard instead of the 10mm. This makes it 30mm longer than last year's with the 10mm shorter reach and 20mm shorter stem.

    I've heard some people say that Mondraker decided the 10mm stem was too unstable, while others say the change was only for the sake of styling or height adjustability. Who knows...
    From the user reports I've read, shorter is better. Mondraker probably went with 30 as standard for marketing reasons. Some say the TT lengths are not long enough?

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    I am 5'11" I bought a large with 30mmm stem. Love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadl View Post
    How tall are you and which parts came with the frameset?
    30 mm stem , shock remote , headset & axle. Sag I haven't measured, estimate 30%.
    I have a medium SB66c , was tempted with a large & was talked into the medium with the 30mm stem.
    I'm 6 ft & I know the recommendation would be a large or even XL , but no I'm really happy with the fit of the medium.
    With size you have to go with what you are comfortable with otherwise you will always be wrestling the bike around & I prefer slightly smaller.
    This has shorter CS than the SB but has of course a longer WB & longer reach, handles great so far very impressed.

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    My 2014 SUmmun is a medium and for dh (with a 50 mm stem) it is a perfect fit. I could have gotten a large and had no issues. I decided to go with the large for my foxy. I can not wait until it gets here, early next week I hope. Hope Canada Customs is nice to me.

    If anyone is looking for one singletrack bikes in scotland set me up nice.

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    I am 6' too and looking for a medium Foxy Carbon. The reach of the Medium ja 478mm which is long. Even with a 30mm stem it is longer than most other bikes in size large. With 160mm fork I will get a wheelbase of around 121cm which is long. With the large Fox I would ne around 124cm which can't bei that nimble as I like. So I think I will be fine with a medium as well.

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    I am coming off a large santa cruz, with a 70mm stem and my seat pretty far back. So a large with a 30 mm stem should be good

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Which SC habe you been riding before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadl View Post
    Which SC habe you been riding before?
    2013 blur lt2 carbon.

    i had a blur 4x before that.

    both large.

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    The Blur LT2 has a reach of 404mm at size large.
    The Foxy Carbon reach numbers are 478mm at medium and 501mm at size large. :-)

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by Fadl View Post
    I am 6' too and looking for a medium Foxy Carbon. The reach of the Medium ja 478mm which is long. Even with a 30mm stem it is longer than most other bikes in size large. With 160mm fork I will get a wheelbase of around 121cm which is long. With the large Fox I would ne around 124cm which can't bei that nimble as I like. So I think I will be fine with a medium as well.
    I would recommend the large

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Many say so but when comparing the numbers even the medium Foxy is quiet long with nearly 121cm wheelbase. The large has around 124cm. So how can that still be nimble? Maybe you can tell me? :-)

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    Plenty of nimble. Two minutes riding and I felt right at home with the new bike using the large size.

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Interesting. It's not easy to chose when you have no chance to get on one before buying.

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    Where can I buy one of these at? I live in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayzer View Post
    Where can I buy one of these at? I live in California.
    Europe

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    The wheelbase question is interesting. Some people won't stomach the long wheel base, some go as far as test riding with this dislike and comeback still disliking it. I learnt from motorsport to test and make sure of a set up, to see what is quicker or better. The stop watch is a great judge and one common thing is that you might test something and come back and say wow that was super fast. Because it was moving about, it was responsive and I must have been on the edge etc. Then you go out and test something that is smoother and controlled and wonder why it is faster every time. Just because you are busy in the cockpit, doesn't mean you are doing the best lap times.

    Coming back to bikes, short wheelbases keep you busy and they are fun, silly fun. But now that I am old, my reflexes aren't in the same league as they were. Secondly, as the hours tick by, you fatigue quicker (when busy). Getting a stable bike platform is the key to success.

    A longer front centre will give you greater stability and balance, and maybe they are inherently quicker as a result. That seems to be a theme and currently I find it works for me.

    I have just made a custom 29er hardtail with a very long front centre, short stem and short 16" CS to test the theory for myself some more. It turns great, get's set in a corner and rips fine. It's a very bad bike, a rowdy rat rod. Feels like a Jackal on steroids (I've trail ridden a Jackal a few times in the past).

    I think the bike industry is evolving it's geo a little further away from the road bike roots of days gone by, it had come some way from it, and the last move away is eliminating the road bike inspired stems from more applications. I'm embracing the change and am finding it positive.

    The short stem will pick up some nimbleness for you.

    Funny story, I recently briefly test rode a new Nomad, at 5' 11" I didn't even consider the L (as recommended), and went straight to a XL with short stem, it is around the 1.2m WB as well, it felt fine to me, and I enjoyed winding it through trees etc. So I guess I am use to longer WBs now. In ride choices, I pay more attention to extending my front centre now - for me, it is worth the performance gains and the nimble trade off has been mitigated to a large extent by stem and chainstay lengths.

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    Hi folks,

    Going to put a Monrach shock on my new ali Foxy XR frame. Do i go for the straight monarch debonnair or monarch plus debonnair

    I wont be doing lots of uplift days or trip to the alps mainly local trail centre stuff

    Would the monarch plus be too much?

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    Hi Oli blue goat, Is yours a L AL frame? If it is, I would tend towards the plus. The front of the bike is so capable, you will benefit from giving it more rear performance.

    I just found that the zero suspension pedals nicer all round with better shocks. (an obvious statement now that I look back at it

    If you want to treat yourself, do it. If not, you will still love the bike anyway. Good luck.

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    Last weekend I had this bike on some of my favorite tracks, really impressed on the bikes performance.
    Though I have just noticed a small amount of play in the top shock bush , looks like a white nylon type of material.
    Anyone else had this happen ? Probably only had 25 hours ride time , so I may look at needle bearings. that seemed to fix a similar issue on the Yeti.
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    Ok guys. What wheelset for my Foxy build. Was thinking hope pro 2 evos on either Stand Arch of Flows? Not sure which?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olibluegoat View Post
    Ok guys. What wheelset for my Foxy build. Was thinking hope pro 2 evos on either Stand Arch of Flows? Not sure which?

    I am doing nox wheels with i9;s. 1500 for a carbon wheels set is pretty good. They have hope's for 1300 or so. I have hopes on my Summun and they have been bomb proof!

    dave

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    Hi, can anyone post a few pics how to route a stealth dropper post on 2014 alloy frame. Thanks.

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    Also, is there any smart way of protecting the cabling under the bottom bracket.? A piece of old tyre would work but it's very ugly. A flying rock managed to cut the brake hose on my last ride and I was left with front brake only on a long descent :-(
    Last edited by branemb; 10-23-2014 at 11:33 AM.

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    I only have a couple shake down rides on mine so far; still waiting on a couple of parts to give a full report. But so far I have been thoroughly impressed. The handling is fantastic, particularly in the turns. A noticeable improvement over traditional geometries - I wouldn't at all be surprised if more companies started adopting the "forward geometry" concept in the near future.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    I only have a couple shake down rides on mine so far; still waiting on a couple of parts to give a full report. But so far I have been thoroughly impressed. The handling is fantastic, particularly in the turns. A noticeable improvement over traditional geometries - I wouldn't at all be surprised if more companies started adopting the "forward geometry" concept in the near future.

    Cheers,
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    Kirk,

    what fork did you put on it? Canada Customs has mine in the airport in Toronto. They want proof I bought it!

    dave

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    Dave,

    I have a Manitou Minute 140mm fork on it right now - mostly as a place holder until my Mattoc arrives.

    Canada has some strange customs policies. I've never looked at it closely, but it seems I lose more stuff in Canadian customs than any other 3 or 4 countries combined!

    Good luck,
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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    Kirk,

    what fork did you put on it? Canada Customs has mine in the airport in Toronto. They want proof I bought it!

    dave

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    Pike 150 on mine

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    Hi Kirk, Great to see it is working for you. It can certainly inspire a bit of riding fun.

    Enjoy mate.

    Yes, I think there is already a gradual trend in that direction. Just look at all of the new shorter stems on offer now. They weren't there 12 months ago.

    Imagine riding a bike with a 100mm stem now. In fact, I have a 90mm stem in my shed, it is looking pretty lonely now.

    Cheers

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    Nice Oli.

    There is a French upgrade kit you can get for the Pike. Basically new retro fit valves. Costed me $270. But wow, it takes the Pike to a new level. Better small bump and better platform (not that they were bad). Pretty amazing feel, actually I am finding the bike arriving faster at turns and features - it's noticeable. Keep it in mind.

    Cheers
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    Awesome. Do you have a link. Also i'm trying to decide between the Monrach Debonnair or Monarch Plus Debonnair for my Ali XR Foxy

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    hi guys, itís been a fairly hot dry summer in the uk and Iíve had my foxy xr carbon a few months nowÖstill amazed at how fast and capable it is, every time I take it out it (which is most days) I canít help but think what an awesome bike it is and canít imagine riding anything else!

    Apart from the speed at which it rips over everything, my biggest improvement has been on jumps, which I think is probably down the amount of confidence I have on it; it feels so light and nimble but also completely planted on the trails and yet jumps so easily.

    Still also really happy with my build, Iíve got the pikes dialed in nicely and am still running a shimano xt 1x10 Ė still toying with the idea of srams 1x11 and might have another look in the new year Ė depends how harsh the winter is!

    Absolutely loving it so far!!

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    Yeah, really hot and dry here to. We had a top of 38 deg in the last days of spring, seesh.

    Ah stoked that you are really getting into the bike now. There is an uncanny comfort in riding the geo - it just puts you in a place ready to ride, every time.
    Whether that is ambling or getting rowdy.

    Thanks for the update. Ride on and enjoy - cheers!

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    Alex,

    Agreed. I meant to mention how well it jumps. I was quite surprised at the balanced feel in the air. Was comfortable jumping it right out of the gate.

    Cheers,
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    William - have you got a link to the Pike valve kit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olibluegoat View Post
    William - have you got a link to the Pike valve kit?
    Ok, I found a bunch of monarch piston kits for a low tune on ebay.

    Has anyone done this themselves? I am thinking about just ordering a new monarch from norco here in Canada and getting them to set it up instead of just buying a take off and then doing it myself.

    dave

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    Hi Oliblue,

    Sorry I didn't get back to you straight away, I had to catch up with my LBS guy, who was away, to make sure I was giving you the right info.

    It is a Novy kit.

    NOVYPARTS - Kit PIKE


    I can attest that it is night and day difference. Amazing small bump and great support for heavy braking etc. Takes a Pike to another level.

    FYI

    Regards W

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    I've recently purchased a frame only Medium XR carbon, I think by memory I'm at 180 psi & weigh 200 lbs. I've found shock pump dials to vary quite a lot. So I go by trail feel /feed back ,if I'm jumping I may add some more but the surprising thing is the shock seems to be performing very well. Great small bump compared to my old SB66c.

    I weight 198lbs with equipment. I had to add a volume reducer to the shock to have a good feeling for aggressive riding. The shock was too linear for my weight.
    Push is going to go out business. The $35 fox kit is the best upgrade to the shock.

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    I received the L/L valve kit this week, and it turned out to be a straightforward task to rebuild the stock M/M Monarch Plus to the proper tune for the Foxy. Took about one hour, including some fiddling with the IFP positition, due to my somewhat too hasty reading of the service manual.

    The next task would be to find out how many volume spacers i need in the positive chamber, I'm starting out with two, and see it it if sufficient. The linkage leverage curve has an upswing at the end of the travel, so it should be necessary to cancel out that thing, with some spacers.

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    Keep us posted on the progress on the valve kit as i'm keen to do the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    I weight 198lbs with equipment. I had to add a volume reducer to the shock to have a good feeling for aggressive riding. The shock was too linear for my weight.
    Push is going to go out business. The $35 fox kit is the best upgrade to the shock.
    Just borrowed another shock pump & found the variation was 20 lbs both RS pumps. So mine may well be reading low.

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    Finally got mine from Customs and the lovely people at UPS who did a crap job. Thank god I never got hit for any $$ from the government and UPS.

    My fork showed up the next day. I went with a 160 Pike solo air. Got to get the headset in so I can start to build it. Now just need to sell my santa cruz frame to buy some wheels.
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    Awesome. I'm building the same frame up at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    Just borrowed another shock pump & found the variation was 20 lbs both RS pumps. So mine may well be reading low.
    My pump is not right either so I set the shock by feeling. With a smooth bump compliance, the shock was too deep into the travel, making the ride harsh after successive fast bumps. Adding the volume reducer for my weight and aggressive ride style, I am extremely happy with the Fox CTD Shock. Unless I start riding downhill parks more than once a year, the bike is perfect for my trails.

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    Hi all, am working my way through this thread with great interest!! I hope this doesn't appear lazy as I work my way through, but I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a Foxy carbon bike from Europe and there's a couple of things I'd like to know if possible - my intention is to change a few of the parts including drive train, brakes, etc. I was mulling over going for the XR carbon fame but I may well go for a complete build.
    Am I able to run a triple on this bike - I'm interested in a 22/30/40 setup. I've seen something about a removable front mech mount but can't see any further detail - the bike I'd be buying comes with a 1X setup. In the event it's not supplied with the removable front mech mount, does anyone know if this would this be available as a spare, I can't see it on the Mondy or UK distributors website?

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    Great frame depeche4.

    Have you weighed it?
    Would like to know the weight. Is it a size medium?
    Where did you get blue pikes?

    Keep us updated on the build.

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    Hey Yamaha,

    have not weighed it yet, might get around to that today but I have hockey this afternoon.
    Got the Blue Pike from a store in Germany. Color is a little off from the frame color but that is ok. Everything is sort of good to put together. Sold some parts off my santa cruz so I got a set of xtr trail brakes, the new ones for 2015 and the new trail cranks.
    The wheels are the big deal. I would like to get carbon nox's with I9's but I keep watching the Canadian dollar drop the price of those keep going towards the 2000 grand range. I might decide to go with the Syntace 35's since the hub is bomb proof just not sure if the rim is super stiff.

    dave

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    I have the Mondraker Foxy Carbon R. Which would be the first upgrade to this bike? I am mainly looking forward to reduce weight and attain an increase in performance.

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    thats a nice looking build depeche4. Been having a hoot on my foxy r have set numerous P.B's on strava and they have been in wet/windy conditions compared to the P.B's i on my old bike they were in dry spring/summer conditions. can't wait till next summer now to go even faster!

    I have just put some 160mm pikes on my 2014 foxy r today as well , not ridden on them yet but they look way nicer than the old fox forks that were on there.



    also after i put the forks on a tightened everything up my front wheel no longer spins freely it looks like the brake pad is rubbing one side of the disc and the wheel won't even rotate twice before stopping. i was careful when changing forks over and don't think i touched the front brake lever but is annoying me. any one got any ideas that i could try?? cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by kester View Post
    thats a nice looking build depeche4. Been having a hoot on my foxy r have set numerous P.B's on strava and they have been in wet/windy conditions compared to the P.B's i on my old bike they were in dry spring/summer conditions. can't wait till next summer now to go even faster!

    I have just put some 160mm pikes on my 2014 foxy r today as well , not ridden on them yet but they look way nicer than the old fox forks that were on there.



    also after i put the forks on a tightened everything up my front wheel no longer spins freely it looks like the brake pad is rubbing one side of the disc and the wheel won't even rotate twice before stopping. i was careful when changing forks over and don't think i touched the front brake lever but is annoying me. any one got any ideas that i could try?? cheers
    hey kester,

    what wheelset is on that beauty?

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    Hi Pilot, When my AL one came, it had the removable mech attached. I removed it

    I would say they come with it, based on the data of one purchase by me...

    Not sure about the Carbon version, but looking below, looks like a yes.

    Good luck

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    Hey kester, looks great mate. Pike is looking like to belongs. You might have to reset and re-bleed the brakes to make sure of it. Cheers W

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    Don't leave us hanging depeche4, where's a complete build picture. Very keen to see the blue lightening bolt. And, have you ridden him yet?

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    Hi Dave

    I've got the DT Swiss M1900 Spline wheelset that came as standard when i bought the bike, not had any issues with them at all apart from what i mentioned in last post but thats just me being turd. The free-hub makes a nice buzzing sound when you point the bike downwards too!

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    I had a set of dt's years ago on my santa cruz 4x. Blew the hub up a bunch of times.
    Then again I just did that 2 times on my cross max st's.
    Wheels are a picky thing. I would love to get carbon but they are more than what I paid for the frame.

    Anyone have have experience with the DT EX 1501 Spline One? I do like the ratchet system over pawls. At least when when a ratchet has issues it does not mess the rest of the system up like pawls do.

    In regards to getting my new ***** built. Just got the headset in today so I can do the fork this weekend. Waiting for my new brakes and the cranks do not come in until next month so this will be a slow work in progress. And considering the 40 cm of snow we got yesterday, it is going to be a long ass winter!

    dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by kester View Post
    thats a nice looking build depeche4. Been having a hoot on my foxy r have set numerous P.B's on strava and they have been in wet/windy conditions compared to the P.B's i on my old bike they were in dry spring/summer conditions. can't wait till next summer now to go even faster!

    I have just put some 160mm pikes on my 2014 foxy r today as well , not ridden on them yet but they look way nicer than the old fox forks that were on there.



    also after i put the forks on a tightened everything up my front wheel no longer spins freely it looks like the brake pad is rubbing one side of the disc and the wheel won't even rotate twice before stopping. i was careful when changing forks over and don't think i touched the front brake lever but is annoying me. any one got any ideas that i could try?? cheers
    Formulas?

    You may need to face the fork post mount!
    but loosen off pm bolts squezze lever 5 times hold retighten pm bolts, sometimes you heed to do this
    a few times, also tolerences maybe different or off esp on the Fox and your rotir maybe slightly warped
    use either a rotor truing tool if you have(not expensive to buy and good investment
    rec Park Tool) or use a medium sized cresent!

    If bleeding Formulas, Ive had best results winding in the contact pad dial midway when bleeding
    this gives a more Avid type feel in terms of feel not on or off like std Formula feel and also
    prevents too much fluid in system which Ive found to be the main cultprit esp from LBS
    who dont know much about them.

    I doubt its much, try the bolts alignment first the work ya way through the less difficult stuff to the bleeding if nessecary.
    sic as bike btw

    I dont see any issue to run a triple, but why oh why, everone to theyre own though.

    had to add a Dune XR selfie btw
    Ive ridden this thing up some serious narly back country single ting 32t 10mm stem just requires
    fitness strength Ive found the bike climbs better for me with the 10mm vs the 30mm
    the 30mm Im sure would be sweet if darn LBS hadnt cut my steerer so short I like atleast 20mm of stack
    esp on Mondrakers otherwise I find it to XC and over loads front wheel for my style.


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    Nice bike Kester.

    With the brakes, loosening the 2 bolts just enough so that the caliper will waggle side to side, then squeezing lever and holding it on as you do up the bolts should centre the caliper.

    Park tool have a good bike maintenance website If you need to check anything.

    Let its know how the longer fork compares to the 140.

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    I love that green and black, looks awesome with the Pike.

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    How do you find those demax's? Are they stiff? How is the free hub body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    How do you find those demax's? Are they stiff? How is the free hub body?

    dave
    Mavic Enduros, not Dee Maxs, but they are super stiff fast, definietly a Race wheel, maybe not best for everyday use for punters butif you want a fast super stiff strong wheel they seem to match up, Ive come off DT240 Enves and these are ever bit as stiff and the are 27.5" too, love the tires.

    Hubs are running sweet, easy to pull apart just did this today for an quick lube and super clean smooth inside so seem to be holding up well.

    Spokes are massive, make my Deemaxs on my Summun look spindly, they do mark up though, either rocks or maybe the shuttle bus trailer.

    othersise pretty stoked and a 1/3 of the price Enve DT combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    I love that green and black, looks awesome with the Pike.
    cheers Will never tire of it myself

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by kester View Post
    thats a nice looking build depeche4. Been having a hoot on my foxy r have set numerous P.B's on strava and they have been in wet/windy conditions compared to the P.B's i on my old bike they were in dry spring/summer conditions. can't wait till next summer now to go even faster!

    I have just put some 160mm pikes on my 2014 foxy r today as well , not ridden on them yet but they look way nicer than the old fox forks that were on there.



    also after i put the forks on a tightened everything up my front wheel no longer spins freely it looks like the brake pad is rubbing one side of the disc and the wheel won't even rotate twice before stopping. i was careful when changing forks over and don't think i touched the front brake lever but is annoying me. any one got any ideas that i could try?? cheers
    Please comment when you ride the 160 mm fork. The mondraker Enduro team switched to the new marzocchi 160mm fork in the middle of the season and the Spain champion claimed the new fork helped him a lot.

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    New stuff is finally starting to show.

    I have some nice yellow accent stuff along with a set of the new xtr trail brakes (longer lever 2 fingers) and the trail cranks which are back ordered. Got a nice Hope ceramic bb too. It is nice to sell old stuff to pay for new stuff.

    Hopefully Santa gives me some $$ towards new wheels. I have decided to go carbon, more than likely nox but the hub is still up in the air. Thinking about those Stealth ones, I9, Syntace or Kappius.

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    Picked up my new Foxy XR. Havent had a chance to take her out to the trails yet.

    This is the factory build. Still need to change the cranks to my existing XT with narrow wide 1x chainring.

    Also first time user of formula brakes. Fingers crossed and hopeful that they are hassle free. The Juicys on a previous bike caused me alot of grief. XT on my existing bike has been hassle free. I'm hopeful the formulas are ok so I dont have to waste $ buying some XTs

    So excited to try on my local trails.

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    Picked up my new Foxy XR. Havent had a chance to take her out to the trails yet.

    This is the factory build. Still need to change the cranks to my existing XT with narrow wide 1x chainring.

    Also first time user of formula brakes. Fingers crossed and hopeful that they are hassle free. The Juicys on a previous bike caused me alot of grief. XT on my existing bike has been hassle free. I'm hopeful the formulas are ok so I dont have to waste $ buying some XTs

    So excited to try on my local trails.
    that looks mint! have fun! as for the brakes i've had no issues with mine decent bite and stopping power (never used XT's to compare though) seeing that you have the xr model you get the model up formula brakes from my foxy r so they should be better again.

    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    Please comment when you ride the 160 mm fork. The mondraker Enduro team switched to the new marzocchi 160mm fork in the middle of the season and the Spain champion claimed the new fork helped him a lot.
    Had my first ride with the pikes on and the difference is noticeable especially the small bump sensitivity it feels like riding a magic carpet over some of the bumps! only had the pikes at medium settings so still to dial them in to my liking but things are looking good.
    Also the pikes are much lighter compared to the Fox forks that were on as standard. not weighed them but even to hold you could feel the weight difference between the two which i was surprised at as the pikes are 160mm and 35mm width compared to the fox 140mm and 32mm width.


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    Kester, do you notice the front end being higher with the longer fork? Has it made a difference to climbing?
    Great pic. Really like the black color.

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    Re: Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by yamaha46 View Post
    Kester, do you notice the front end being higher with the longer fork? Has it made a difference to climbing?
    Great pic. Really like the black color.
    I recently switched 140mm stock Fox for 150mm Pike. You do notice the difference, but it has not hampered any climbing abilities. But Pike is indeed a massive improvement over 32mm Fox. Can't recommend highly enough.

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    I love the colours in that picture kester, the moss is growing on the bike, you better ride it faster now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    I love that green and black, looks awesome with the Pike.
    Hey Will in case ya havent seen already on my facebook page link below, spent a bit of time on the Dune and racing DH @ 440 bike park, place is totally off the hook, summer theyre is going to be mint, had a wet day on the Dune and dry on the DH track racing, so challenging but so mint you are going to love it, I suggest definitel planning on staying at the motorcamp by the beach overnight, 1: because its such a great place, cheap loads of options in terms if accomodation, bunk up in cabins or seperate if partners etc, but shes well worth it and not rushing in case ya want to do it over 2days riding I mean, be less rushing and mire enjoyable option, but only a suggestion its up yo you guys, I can only give you the best options and experience haha.

    Bikes looking sic guys, what do you all think of the new carbon Summun eh!

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    32mm shouldnt even come on that bike imo, 34minimum, Id love to see Mondraker use more RS but that seem to like Fox, little bit of Zocchy and Pike in the Dune range.

    I can tell you guys that if the 350 Expresso NCR is as good as the 380 Expresso which Ive ridden then it will be a match and maybe some for the Pike, Pike still wins weight war!

    Another fork Id love to try is the XFusion Revel..

    Ill be looking to run Zocchi next year on my Team Pro Carbon Summun front and rear, 380 C2R2 Titainium forks and Moto CR2 shocks, ideally get our whole DH team on these too! Very impressed by theyre feel.




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    Anybody got or tried the new 2015 Dune? Feedback would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    Hi Oli blue goat, Is yours a L AL frame? If it is, I would tend towards the plus. The front of the bike is so capable, you will benefit from giving it more rear performance.

    I just found that the zero suspension pedals nicer all round with better shocks. (an obvious statement now that I look back at it

    If you want to treat yourself, do it. If not, you will still love the bike anyway. Good luck.

    W
    William, interesting link, thanks. I need to get it translated but they seem to do tunes for BOS as well?

    Have you anymore news on what alternative shocks fit a Foxy Carbon? I would be interested to know in particular if a BOS Kirk would fit.

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    William, interesting link, thanks. I need to get it translated but they seem to do tunes for BOS as well?

    Have you anymore news on what alternative shocks fit a Foxy Carbon? I would be interested to know in particular if a BOS Kirk would fit.
    Before you switch the shock, I would try the air volume reducers. I did that to my bike and it's the best $30 investment. No need to pay push industries either. No need for a new shock in the near future. The rear of the bike behaves great.

    I have the Foxy Carbon.

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    Damn, all of you have made me really curious about the Foxy and Dune...and that usually leads to a new bike...

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    Foxbat,

    you will not regret getting a Mondraker.

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    I have a question since I can't seem to find a way to contact Chris Porter directly. His interview in the latest issue of Dirt 100 led me to his "Size Matters" series on MBR - mountain bike rider, Just get out and ride.. There he discusses the modifications of his Foxy Carbon which he raced in the Trans Provence. I've also seen photos of him with a modified Dune that he has been experimenting with.

    Why did Chris decide to race the Foxy rather than the Dune in the TP? Many of the stages are steep and rough enough to justify the 160mm rear travel but I get the sense that maybe the pedaling efficiency made the Foxy a better bike for a long multi-day event?

    Certainly Chris is an engineer so there must have been a very rational decision made to choose the Foxy. Anyone with time on both the Foxy and Dune care to provide their thoughts?

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    Foxbat

    His Dune was the shorter 2014 model, for 2015 they are the same length as the Foxy. Interestingly he is running a 170mm fork on the Carbon Foxy.

    I'm trying to decide between the Foxy Carbon and the Dune myself.

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    loamranger,

    It's not an easy choice. The DH'er in me wants the Dune. Who doesn't want a long travel shredder! But as I think about it more, the Foxy is probably more practical and fun for 80% of the trails I ride here in the PNW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgfjd12 View Post
    Before you switch the shock, I would try the air volume reducers. I did that to my bike and it's the best $30 investment. No need to pay push industries either. No need for a new shock in the near future. The rear of the bike behaves great.

    I have the Foxy Carbon.
    Thanks for the information. It's just that I can get a new frame with the BOS already fitted for about the same money and I have had really good experiences with BOS to date. I'm glad that things are working for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxbat View Post
    loamranger,

    It's not an easy choice. The DH'er in me wants the Dune. Who doesn't want a long travel shredder! But as I think about it more, the Foxy is probably more practical and fun for 80% of the trails I ride here in the PNW.
    Carbon Dune is the answer.

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    It appears that Chris finds a few things that are important in set up, one of those is the BB height for him. The Foxy is a little lower and it has a slightly shorter CS. I suspect that is what drove the final choice.

    I had the same dilemma, Dune or Foxy. With those slight differences, the Foxy seemed to be the brighter ride for a broader range of riding - in flatter stuff, trail and downhill. And, 140mm rear is always going to climb better and I have to earn the turns.

    As for downs, the geo is so progressive, the capability is impressive. On the extreme end of the spectrum, it can go down stuff that is ridiculously steep. Others will pull out. And if it is loose and steep, fine. I've never weight the front of a bike so much on a steep downs - but slowly the bike draws you out and you find a new bravery. It's an eye opener, while holding your breath and puckering...

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Carbon Dune is the answer.
    I thought there was no carbon dune.

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    What I want to know is how he got the BB lower on his Foxy. For me the Foxy is very planted, no problems - very fast on flats etc. But I have had lower bikes and I know the feeling and security that can give.

    I reckon if I can drop another 5mm or so, I can release some more potential - and have bigger crashes.

    How do you think he got some more drop?

    W

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    angle head set would do it? no.

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    From my experience, I think it would only drop 1mm or 2mm. But my experience is with -1deg, looks like he has tried about - 3 deg. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    What I want to know is how he got the BB lower on his Foxy. For me the Foxy is very planted, no problems - very fast on flats etc. But I have had lower bikes and I know the feeling and security that can give.

    I reckon if I can drop another 5mm or so, I can release some more potential - and have bigger crashes.

    How do you think he got some more drop?

    W
    I think the 62.5 deg HA by ways of a 3 deg offset headset is probably contributing to the BB height. He also might be playing with custom offset shock bushings which Mojo fabricates.

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    More info here on the modifications:

    Chris Porter's Fox Foxy

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    62.5, that is slacker than my Summum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxbat View Post
    I think the 62.5 deg HA by ways of a 3 deg offset headset is probably contributing to the BB height. He also might be playing with custom offset shock bushings which Mojo fabricates.
    Check this interview:
    DirtTV: Steve Jones talks to Chris Porter about bikes // Mountain Biking Videos on Mpora

    He seems to use modified, shorter shocks to lower the rear end, as well.

    I have a couple of 190x50mm RP23's, and I have a plan to test the Foxy using that along with a 1.5 degree Angle Set from Work components. Should be interesting, at least for a while.

    I really don't understand how he is able to slacken the head angle 3 degrees along with a tapered fork, the maximum available slacksets seems to be limited to 1.5 degrees, with EC44/ZS56 cups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    I thought there was no carbon dune.
    Just wishing!

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    I would think that both the Dune and Crafty will be in a carbon version at some point soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OysteinS View Post
    I really don't understand how he is able to slacken the head angle 3 degrees along with a tapered fork, the maximum available slacksets seems to be limited to 1.5 degrees, with EC44/ZS56 cups.
    I am not sure he uses a tapered fork.

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    Thanks Foxbat.

    I like the sticker "Further Forward Geometry"

    Pretty radical set up.

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    One Foxy ordered and on it's way across the Atlantic!

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    congrats!

    you get a frame or complete? where did you get it from?

    dave

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    Thanks to everyone here sharing their experiences with the Foxy. I ordered a 2015 Foxy Carbon RR from Single Track Bikes in the UK who have been very helpful. With a few part swaps it should be good to go. I'm very excited to give this forward geometry thing a try!

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    Dave and Andrew have set up a few people on this side of the Atlantic. They helped me get my Summum last xmas.

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    Anyone in the UK or Europe know where you can buy the chainstay protector that comes on the carbon? I wish it would come on the alloy as well.

    thanks,

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    The frame came from eBay and the fork, wheels and seatpost have been scavenged from another bike.

    So:
    Foxy Carbon XR frame medium
    Fox CTD remote shock
    On Off Stoic 30mm stem
    Pike RC 160 DPA
    Syntace MX W30 wheels
    Bontrager XR4 27.5x2.35 front, Schwalbe Hans Dampf Evo Snakeskin 27.5x2.25 rear (with tubes)
    SRAM XO crank and 30T single ring
    XTR M986 Shadow Plus 10 speed drivetrain
    XTR M988 Trail brakes with Ice tech 203/180 rotors
    DMR Vault Brendog pedals
    Easton Haven Carbon 711mm bar
    RockShox Reverb Stealth 150mm (waiting to remove the Connectamajig so the saddle height can be set a little bit lower)
    Lizard Skin Bearclaw Grips

    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5-20141215_211753.jpg
    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5-20141215_211556.jpg

    Things still to do:

    1. Reverb Stealth hose fitting and bleed
    2. Probably swap to a lower profile saddle like a Phenom
    3. Waiting for one hidden housing guide (HHG) that went missing in transit.
    4. Probably swap to Saint M820 callipers because the rear brake hose routing is dreadful with the XTRs
    5. Helitape

    This is the girlfriend's new bike. The scavenged bits have come from my Devinci Spartan which I'm not using much at the moment because of my "hitting a tree with my jaw and the tree was stronger" moment two weeks ago.

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    I really like the all black stealth look. Though not a very girly lookin bike ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxbat View Post
    Damn, all of you have made me really curious about the Foxy and Dune...and that usually leads to a new bike...
    I had a conversation with somebody who has a lot of experience with both bikes...his advice go Dune, it handles better. So I have.

    Might change the colour though.

    I think others worth considering are the Transition Patrol or the Kona 167 ( or the new Knolly?), but they will need a longer stem, probably 40 due to the reach being 10 or 20mm shorter. With the Mondraker you have the possibility of using either 10, 20 or 30. Also 180 forks on either the Foxy or Dune should be no problem if you are happy with slacker angles.

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Just been thinking about Forward Geometry.

    All the pictures I've seen of the 10mm stem arrangement have a very tall stack or demand you cut down your fork steerer.

    Can you achieve an equivalent shortening of reach on the 30mm stem by running, say, a 20mm riser bar inverted left to right and then rotated until the backsweep and upsweep suit the wrists?

    It might not be a permanent solution (because of rightful mockery by riding buddies) but I'm going to try a little experiment. Can't see why it wouldn't work.

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    hey guys with pikes, i have 160mm solo air; I've got them set up really nice and they're working really well but i've realised that I'm currently running 55psi - I'm 80kg and rockshox would recommend 65-75psi for a 72-81kg rider; i mainly ride fairly fast trails with a few jumps but nothing big

    anyone else got their setup stats? cheers

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5

    Do you have good reason to believe your pressure gauge? Cross check with someone else's shock pump and you may find the pressure is closer to the recommended values than you think.

    How many bottomless tokens are fitted?

    How much sag is setup according to this methodology:

    http://youtu.be/sYqv3OB9-4Y

    ?

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    cheers, i have 2 shock pumps (a Canyon one and a Rockshox one that came with the pikes) they both read the same...

    i set up the sag when i got them and have tweaked them since so they feel really nice but didn't pay much attention to how much psi i actually had in them - i'm not too bothered cos as i said they feel awesome i was just a little surprised when i actually took note of the figures; just wondering what others were running

    not using any tokens

    cheers

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    Frame and Fork Build -2015 XR

    Hi Peeps, Newbie forum fella here,

    After my my hard tail got nicked (boo hoo) I am in the position of building up a Foxy XR (Why they won't sell the sexy black Foxy R as a frame only I'll never know but hey ho). I am of a fit and forget kinda guy, more riding less maintenance an all that so i was wondering if I could pick your collective brains?

    Have the bearing sizes change from the '14 mode as I am gonna go all enduro bearings?

    Also I can't seem to find any info on replacing the shock bushings with needle bearings (again enduro bearings), i.e the size etc for the Fox shock

    Just to complicate matters, I am mulling the possibility of putting an X fusion vector HLC air shock in there, ideally with needle bearings if I can.

    These are the final details of my spec before I order it in Feb

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    Well I finally sold my blur lt2c and have ordered up some wheels.

    Thanks to Dusty I went with some Kappius hubs with Atomik Carbon wheels. He gave me a smoking price, not that much more than what a set of the new crossmax yellow suckers go for here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Camara View Post
    Hi Peeps, Newbie forum fella here,

    After my my hard tail got nicked (boo hoo) I am in the position of building up a Foxy XR (Why they won't sell the sexy black Foxy R as a frame only I'll never know but hey ho). I am of a fit and forget kinda guy, more riding less maintenance an all that so i was wondering if I could pick your collective brains?

    Have the bearing sizes change from the '14 mode as I am gonna go all enduro bearings?
    If you're a 'fit & forget' kinda guy, then I would suggest probably buying most other brands over Mondraker.

    You might have a better experience if you live somewhere that doesn't see much rain, but IME, they go through bearings like fatties through cake, and the frames are somewhat fragile in the back end. The carbons, well I wouldn't fancy be a consumer test sample for someone entering the carbon market with a patchy reliability record in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex84 View Post
    hey guys with pikes, i have 160mm solo air; I've got them set up really nice and they're working really well but i've realised that I'm currently running 55psi - I'm 80kg and rockshox would recommend 65-75psi for a 72-81kg rider; i mainly ride fairly fast trails with a few jumps but nothing big

    anyone else got their setup stats? cheers
    I have a 160mm Pike on my foxy xr. New bike so still playing with pressure settings. However I am same weight as you 80kg and found that psi or 30%sag too divey. Now running 68psi or abiut 20%sag and feels more supportive.

    3 clicks of lsc from open
    Rebound midway

    Our rides are more rocky technical trails though

    What sag and settings are others running on their pikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -C- View Post
    If you're a 'fit & forget' kinda guy, then I would suggest probably buying most other brands over Mondraker.

    You might have a better experience if you live somewhere that doesn't see much rain, but IME, they go through bearings like fatties through cake, and the frames are somewhat fragile in the back end. The carbons, well I wouldn't fancy be a consumer test sample for someone entering the carbon market with a patchy reliability record in the past.
    -C- what's the issue with their pivot sealed bearings? Poor seals or poor quality/tolerance? Will regular degrease and regrease help?

    In terms of fragile rear end, this bikeradar look at alloy 2015 says rear triangle has seen "structural revisions" for 2015. Hopefully this addresses what your referring too.

    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5 - just in - BikeRadar

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    Quote Originally Posted by -C- View Post
    If you're a 'fit & forget' kinda guy, then I would suggest probably buying most other brands over Mondraker.

    You might have a better experience if you live somewhere that doesn't see much rain, but IME, they go through bearings like fatties through cake, and the frames are somewhat fragile in the back end. The carbons, well I wouldn't fancy be a consumer test sample for someone entering the carbon market with a patchy reliability record in the past.

    That's why I am upgrading the "2015 Upgraded bearings and pivots" to enduro bearings from the off, easier to get bike shop to do it when they are getting the frame than me doing it sooner (or perhaps later if their blurb is correct lol)

    I have found someone who does enduro bearings suspension bearing kits for the 2014 Foxy, so I was wondering if they have just put better quality bearings in the 2015 model or have they put bigger bearings in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    -C- what's the issue with their pivot sealed bearings? Poor seals or poor quality/tolerance? Will regular degrease and regrease help?

    In terms of fragile rear end, this bikeradar look at alloy 2015 says rear triangle has seen "structural revisions" for 2015. Hopefully this addresses what your referring too.

    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5 - just in - BikeRadar
    Both of the above, and the small size of them causes way so many premature wear issues. Obviously better bearings will help, but the lack of size of them in the first place seems to be a real issue on the Foxy & Dune.

    Oh, and the back ends cracking. A lot. Bolts that want to break, or break free from the frame etc.

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    Oh I see. Thanks -c-. Better keep close eye on the pivots and regularly service them.

    Tony camara, I would be interested to know if bearings from 2015 have improved. Can you share if you find out, as well as how your replacement to enduro bearings go. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxbat View Post
    Thanks to everyone here sharing their experiences with the Foxy. I ordered a 2015 Foxy Carbon RR from Single Track Bikes in the UK who have been very helpful. With a few part swaps it should be good to go. I'm very excited to give this forward geometry thing a try!
    Sounds good Foxbat, let us know what you think. What size frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    Anyone in the UK or Europe know where you can buy the chainstay protector that comes on the carbon? I wish it would come on the alloy as well.

    thanks,

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    Drop these guys a line.

    Silverfish UK

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    I bought a 160mm fork. You guys keep saying that climbing won't be affected so I took the plunge...New pike coming, replacing the Fox 34 140mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ant View Post
    Oh I see. Thanks -c-. Better keep close eye on the pivots and regularly service them.

    Tony camara, I would be interested to know if bearings from 2015 have improved. Can you share if you find out, as well as how your replacement to enduro bearings go. Thanks

    Will do tho it will probably be Feb now, what with Crimbo, and import taxes on my Derby Rims and Kappius hubs which I wasn't expecting grrr
    Plus I need to fort Knox the garage, nobody is gonna t'eif this bike without heavy duty power tools!!!

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    Tony,

    have you built those wheels yet? I got the same hubs but with Atomik rims. The theft factor, that is why I keep all my bikes in the basement.

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    Not yet, gotta pay import taxes on the rims and the hubs have not been shipped yet, ordered them with the ceramic upgrade

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    you live in the UK I take it.

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    Nope, gotta pay import taxes, oogle them, and wait for the hubs (with ceramic upgrade- not been shipped and gotta factor in import on them as well grrr)

    Theft factor has led me to 22mm thick chains, floor anchors and military spec abloy/squire padlocks as it has to live in the garage really.

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    yep, moved to the south coast from the peak district, still can't understand HOW the Mrs talked me into it lmao

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    Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5



    Merry Christmas from Australia. Its 27.5 degrees lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Sounds good Foxbat, let us know what you think. What size frame?
    I went with the medium frame size after crunching the geometry numbers. I'll be experimenting with different stem sizes to see what feels best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    I thought there was no carbon dune.
    Mondraker are working on it. Between February and March probably we will have news

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    Quote Originally Posted by kataklysmo View Post
    Mondraker are working on it. Between February and March probably we will have news
    Had to happen but will it be better than the ali version in terms of ride quality? Lighter for sure. Better looking probably if they keep it raw carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Camara View Post
    Hi Peeps, Newbie forum fella here,

    After my my hard tail got nicked (boo hoo) I am in the position of building up a Foxy XR (Why they won't sell the sexy black Foxy R as a frame only I'll never know but hey ho). I am of a fit and forget kinda guy, more riding less maintenance an all that so i was wondering if I could pick your collective brains?

    Have the bearing sizes change from the '14 mode as I am gonna go all enduro bearings?

    Also I can't seem to find any info on replacing the shock bushings with needle bearings (again enduro bearings), i.e the size etc for the Fox shock

    Just to complicate matters, I am mulling the possibility of putting an X fusion vector HLC air shock in there, ideally with needle bearings if I can.

    These are the final details of my spec before I order it in Feb
    If the Foxy is the same as the Dune, it's got 10mm bolts which may preclude the use of needle bearings?

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    Did a bit more research.... and you can get needles in 10mm, I didn't think you could.

    Amachete needle roller bearing - Mad Elk Cycles

    Used them before on another bike and they make a difference....the suspension is plusher. Now I know I'm getting some.

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    Thanks for sharing loamranger. This YouTube vid shows the difference in sensitivity for small bump compliance with roller bearings.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J6TF77ZPlQs

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Had to happen but will it be better than the ali version in terms of ride quality? Lighter for sure. Better looking probably if they keep it raw carbon.
    I'd imagine during the design process of the carbon Dune, the suspension kinematics would get a few tweaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Did a bit more research.... and you can get needles in 10mm, I didn't think you could.

    Amachete needle roller bearing - Mad Elk Cycles

    Used them before on another bike and they make a difference....the suspension is plusher. Now I know I'm getting some.
    Found out that you need a 15mm bushing size to be able to fit them. Unfortunately that rules me out because the BOS shock is 14mm. What shocks are 15mm....anybody know?

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    slowly mine is starting to come together. wheels are being
    built and just waiting for my cranks to get here. The new xtr stuff is hard to find in stock. Brakes were easy to get but the cranks, god no.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Mondraker Foxy XR 27.5-img_0756.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche4 View Post
    slowly mine is starting to come together. wheels are being
    built and just waiting for my cranks to get here. The new xtr stuff is hard to find in stock. Brakes were easy to get but the cranks, god no.
    So far so good, waiting for what's coming next as i'm thinking about the alloy frame myself
    And i was thinking about the TRUVATIV JEROME CLEMENTZ handlebar aswell, how is it?

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    I love the bar. I had a easton haven alloy but it was not wide enough and then went to a race face carbon, same deal. I love how the bar is almost straight the sweep back is 7 degrees instead of the 9 of most. I noticed the difference. Got it for a smoking deal on CR. 130 can when it goes for over 200 here.

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    Off for a first time ride on the new steed today (Dune/BOS)....happy riding to everyone in 2015.

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    First ride 2015 XL Dune XR

    Components switched from previous bike except for shock (BOS Kirk instead of Stoy).

    A short but sweet first ride.
    Positives: pedals well, comfortable fit, carries speed, stable.

    50mm longer wheels base and 30mm more reach. Now I can comfortably run a 30mm stem and possibly even a 20mm. Positive first ride....more to follow in a seperate thread.

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    Those raw aluminum Foxys are the most attractive bikes I have ever seen. I don't choose bikes based on that but it doesn't hurt!

    Those trail videos look fun but I've never seen anything so smooth around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    First ride 2015 XL Dune XR

    Components switched from previous bike except for shock (BOS Kirk instead of Stoy).

    A short but sweet first ride.
    Positives: pedals well, comfortable fit, carries speed, stable.

    50mm longer wheels base and 30mm more reach. Now I can comfortably run a 30mm stem and possibly even a 20mm. Positive first ride....more to follow in a seperate thread.
    Give link to said thread. And pics please!

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    [QUOTE=Bristecom;11672402]Give link to said thread. And pics please! [/QUOTE

    ....in a few days time, need to get some shots.

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    Since this seems to be the de-factor Mondraker hangout here on MTBR so you'll have to excuse cross forum nature of the question:

    Has anyone ridden a Crafty yet? I ask as there are no reviews yet but they have been on sale for a little while. Following the short travel yet aggressive geometry 29'er trend, I'm curious to see how the forward geometry approach works with the 29'er wheelsize. The size medium with a 464mm reach has a 1205m wheelbase which looks looooong on paper (the BMC Trailfox in size large is 1200 by comparison) but I assume Mondraker did their homework on this one.

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