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    I've just ordered 350CR, and I can say that Marzocchi_USA's posts was one of the main reasons I bought it.

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    Had to use my old RS forks today and they were so **** compared to my 350 CR some of it may be dialing in the setup but they were so terrible I made some changes mid ride and it didn't help that much. Will do the same route tomorrow try and dial in the setup but I think I'm about to realise just how much better the 350 CRs are than RS Sektor RL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graved1gger View Post
    I've just ordered 350CR, and I can say that Marzocchi_USA's posts was one of the main reasons I bought it.
    i've not ordered any but can mirror the reasoning behind the purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty125 View Post
    Had to use my old RS forks today and they were so **** compared to my 350 CR some of it may be dialing in the setup but they were so terrible I made some changes mid ride and it didn't help that much. Will do the same route tomorrow try and dial in the setup but I think I'm about to realise just how much better the 350 CRs are than RS Sektor RL.
    I'm upgrading from even crappier Sektor TK, the one with steel legs and strange rebound damper. Hope 350CR will make a difference.

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    Marzocchi Canada have equally awesome support, so you are covered wherever you live! I've never had such good and friendly service as these guys anywhere else.

    I was looking to buy a 2015 053 rear shock to complement my 66 RC3 EVO and I was wondering : if I buy a 8.75x2.75" shock (my stock size), could I send it for a rebuild later and get it "internally shortened" to 8.5x2.5" when I get a new frame or to alter my frame's geometry ? It seems that nobody uses 8.75" anymore and most long travel frames that I'm looking for use 8.5x2.5" shocks.

    Thanks!

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    I just ordered a 350 CR tonight. stoked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk8er07999 View Post
    I am stoked on the new marz products and the way the company is moving. I've loved every marz product I've ever owned. The first being in the early 2000s until now with multiple 888s, 66s, 55s. Currently riding a 2014 888rc3 non-ti with the gold race coating and a roco WC air and couldn't be happier. I am definitely looking forward to a future enduro build using 350 and 053 parts. As well as a marz dropper post!

    I tried jumping ship once and hated it. I bought a boxxer rc, and a vivid shock and no matter what I did or tried I was never happy with either. Different springs, different oils, different grease in the seals/rings and still was unhappy with the performance and lack of small bump sensitivity. I also spent a small amount of time on a totebuyingI wasn't happy with that either. Bought the 888rc3 and right out of the box it has been amazing. Night and day difference over the boxxer. My future builds will always use marz bits. I've never had a warranty issue with marz where I've had to contact customer service but after reading through this thread I feel as though I would be promptly and professionally taken care of. Thanks Marzochi!
    Thanks for the kind words! Very appreciated
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    Quote Originally Posted by guim View Post
    Marzocchi Canada have equally awesome support, so you are covered wherever you live! I've never had such good and friendly service as these guys anywhere else.

    I was looking to buy a 2015 053 rear shock to complement my 66 RC3 EVO and I was wondering : if I buy a 8.75x2.75" shock (my stock size), could I send it for a rebuild later and get it "internally shortened" to 8.5x2.5" when I get a new frame or to alter my frame's geometry ? It seems that nobody uses 8.75" anymore and most long travel frames that I'm looking for use 8.5x2.5" shocks.

    Thanks!
    I can't speak to the ability to shorten it, I know we will be making the shock in both of those sizes and short stroking a shock is possible but I can't speak to the new models as of yet. I'm sure Naz and Alex in Canada can figure it out though, they are total gurus!
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    I've also ordered a 350 CR today! My first Marzocchi product.

    I will be dropping them to 140mm, do they come included with the spacer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    I've also ordered a 350 CR today! My first Marzocchi product.

    I will be dropping them to 140mm, do they come included with the spacer?
    They do come with the 10mm and 20mm spacers. Ideally we want us to do the work in them just in case something goes awry in the reassemble as technically the warranty is voided if the end user disassembles the fork. See if the shop you ordered it from can have us do the work before it ships. If not, ask your shop to do the work.

    It is a very simple process but call it CYA insurance for yourself and let someone else do the work so the warranty won't be voided.
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    MARZOCCHI _ USA,

    Here is the answer I got from the local bike shop and my question.

    Answer, "We only do bicycles parts".

    My question, "Can you give me a price & order me a pair of SKF seals for a 2014 Marzocchi 350 CR fork. This fork does not come factory with these seals but they fit. Part# 8507014/P"

    I use to feel bad about bringing new parts I bought direct into a bike shop for installation. This is why I don't feel bad anymore and haven't for along time. Why should I educate them on product, pay retail + sales tax for them to turn right around and just mail order the part anyway?

    Can I just order the parts direct, skip this hassle and pay a fair but competitive price?
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    Thanks! I'll call them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1_joel View Post
    MARZOCCHI _ USA,

    Here is the answer I got from the local bike shop and my question.

    Answer, "We only do bicycles parts".

    My question, "Can you give me a price & order me a pair of SKF seals for a 2014 Marzocchi 350 CR fork. This fork does not come factory with these seals but they fit. Part# 8507014/P"

    I use to feel bad about bringing new parts I bought direct into a bike shop for installation. This is why I don't feel bad anymore and haven't for along time. Why should I educate them on product, pay retail + sales tax for them to turn right around and just mail order the part anyway?

    Can I just order the parts direct, skip this hassle and pay a fair but competitive price?
    That's really lame on the part of the shop to turn away service (IMHO). as a journeyman, World Cup level mechanic who cut his teeth in shops and worked as a service director for a long time and as a former shop owner I don't understand that mentality. A shop should ALWAYS capitalize on labor and service, it should always be the bread and butter. Stay up with the times and offer all service, invest in your employees and train them on all services including suspension and disc brakes (something I see all to much NOT being done by shops). The future of all shops is in service and high dollar items like complete bikes and major accessory upgrades like wheels and suspension.

    with so many online retailers able to offer killer pricing and not being able to offer any kind of service this is something every shop needs to embrace if they want to stay strong in this market. The best shops I know offer amazing service and actually stock very little accessory product outsider of the daily basics for low-mid range bikes.

    I digress though.. I am sorry you had that experience. That is the loss on the part of the shop. Do you have other shops local to you that offer good service? We always offer in house service in the US and Canada and the UK
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    Everyone in this forum.. we will be having a factory direct sale (in person only) at our facility in Long Beach. This will happen on November 22nd. I'll post the flyer soon, spread the word. We will be selling the remaining 2014 models only. All forks are brand new and all will have our 2-year warranty still.
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    Hi,
    I'm planing to upgrade the shock on my YT wicked. Now I have a custom shimmed rs RT3 HV and don't like the shock action because of the frames progressivity. I'm deciding between DBinline and the new marzocchi 053. I would like to have a linear spring rate as possible from the shock and I know the DBinline has a very linear spring rate without spacers installed.
    Does the new shock from Marzocchi have a linear coil like spring rate? Will there be some kind of volume spacers available?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukam View Post
    Hi,
    I'm planing to upgrade the shock on my YT wicked. Now I have a custom shimmed rs RT3 HV and don't like the shock action because of the frames progressivity. I'm deciding between DBinline and the new marzocchi 053. I would like to have a linear spring rate as possible from the shock and I know the DBinline has a very linear spring rate without spacers installed.
    Does the new shock from Marzocchi have a linear coil like spring rate? Will there be some kind of volume spacers available?

    Thanks!
    Because of the fully adjustable nature of the 053 you shouldn't need to re shim it but that will be possible through one of our service centers, no worries. The shock works well with a variety of frame designs and because of the adjustablity it can be made more linear to go with your frame.

    I have only ridden it on a GT Force so I can't speak to it personally on a YT but I believe we are working with YT in our Italy facility. The goal is to have this shock be a game changer for everyone and make it work on just about every frame in the market. I can't be sure about a volume spacer, I haven't heard if wee are making those for it or not.

    That said we won't have it available to the public until March or April of 2015.
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    Finally got to ride the fork after being sick for a while. Only have about 5 hours on it and initially the seals were stiff but beginning to free up. I rode it on mostly xc type trails but with lots of brake bumps and fast turns and roots. The first thing I noticed tuning it is that no matter how much you weigh there will be a good low speed compression and rebound adjustment. The compression has 28 clicks and rebound close to that and each click makes an actual difference. Im also running slightly less air in the spring than the chart suggested but this depends on how long your stem is and how far you are over the bars. Im running a very short stem.
    The fork is very good over square edge hits and on deep brake bumps and the roots. It blows off very nicely and stays on the ground. Since the fork isnt broken in yet i can't comment on small bump sensitivity, but as of now i can't complain. And like the other reviews mention the fork does indeed stay up in the travel very nicely. I played with air pressures and low speed adjusters enough where the fork sits at proper sag, doesnt dive in corners and still gets full travel. Every 5psi seemed to make a difference and i was able to put more or less air and directly see what it did right away. Another thing I noticed about it is how consistent it seems to be. I found i gained confidence because I know I can rely on the fork because it always works the same.

    I havent tried a pike or a manitou except pressing on them in a parking lot but this fork doesn't leave me wanting more at the moment. It seems pretty good and Im expecting it to be even better after it breaks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    They do come with the 10mm and 20mm spacers
    Hiya, my fork didn't come with the spacers, what can I do about getting some please?

    The fork looks great by the way, I haven't got a bike to test it on yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    That said we won't have it available to the public until March or April of 2015.
    Why that late?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    Hiya, my fork didn't come with the spacers, what can I do about getting some please?

    The fork looks great by the way, I haven't got a bike to test it on yet.
    sure, just call in and get Mat in sales and let him know yours didn't have the spacers. The actual reduction service is technically supposed to be done by a service center or qualified shop (FYI) so if you do have the travel changed have a shop do it (despite its ease to do), that is just a CYA insurance for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Gr View Post
    Why that late?
    I don't have a solid answer other than some finalization in the production settings for the shims to make sure it is up to par with all the major frames on the market in terms of the right linear vrs progressive rate, etc..

    Tooling is all done and they are ready to go, just refining the internals from what I'm told
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    I don't have a solid answer other than some finalization in the production settings for the shims to make sure it is up to par with all the major frames on the market in terms of the right linear vrs progressive rate, etc..

    Tooling is all done and they are ready to go, just refining the internals from what I'm told
    Interesting...the shock is already listed on a few websites (e.g. PricePoint), which seems odd if it's still 4-5 months out.
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    Marzocchi - Better late than never

    Quote Originally Posted by babyz View Post
    Interesting...the shock is already listed on a few websites (e.g. PricePoint), which seems odd if it's still 4-5 months out.
    They are listed but they are out of stock. And the will be for long as I understand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    I don't have a solid answer other than some finalization in the production settings for the shims to make sure it is up to par with all the major frames on the market in terms of the right linear vrs progressive rate, etc..

    Tooling is all done and they are ready to go, just refining the internals from what I'm told
    And I think it might be a good idea to see a few full reviews of the real thing tested in the field before we get it. Don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyz View Post
    Interesting...the shock is already listed on a few websites (e.g. PricePoint), which seems odd if it's still 4-5 months out.
    yeah, I don't know. Probably to generate pre-orders. I see they are selling them (or a backorder at least) on a site in the UK. I'm pretty sure it is just to generate buzz for the product and secure back orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Gr View Post
    And I think it might be a good idea to see a few full reviews of the real thing tested in the field before we get it. Don't you think?
    I can't fault that logic.
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    I'm still unable to justify the EU price being more then twice the US one, for the 053...

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    I'm still unable to justify the EU price being more then twice the US one, for the 053...
    yeah, I don't know about that one. With a fear of making enemies I'd personally just say if you have a friend here in the states buy one and just ship it over to you if you wanted to get one. it should save you a bit of quid for sure.
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    Marzocchi - Better late than never

    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    I'm still unable to justify the EU price being more then twice the US one, for the 053...
    Some mysteries MUST remain unsolved!
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    Hi Marzocchi USA, do you know if Marzocchi is planning to give the 035 with a remote? I think it´s way more useful in the shock than in the fork, specially for racing enduro, when some stages have significant pedal sections. In my experience you win more on firming up the shock than the fork in those situations, and as NCR comes with the remote, maybe 035 also does!
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    Windwave are hooking me up with some spacers, great service

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    Quote Originally Posted by artishouk View Post
    Hi Marzocchi USA, do you know if Marzocchi is planning to give the 035 with a remote? I think it´s way more useful in the shock than in the fork, specially for racing enduro, when some stages have significant pedal sections. In my experience you win more on firming up the shock than the fork in those situations, and as NCR comes with the remote, maybe 035 also does!
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    I haven't heard but I am sure they thought of it. I will ask and see. I know a lot of our enduro racers have custom lockouts on their rear shocks but they have been using Roco LO and Roco Lite models which are easy to modify with a remote and some McGuyvering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    Windwave are hooking me up with some spacers, great service
    NICE!

    those guys are a class act for sure
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    Same Wear with mine stanchions as Frostys. Makes me think why they dropped this plating for 2015 models?!
    Mine also makes noise from crown joints

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oppet View Post
    Same Wear with mine stanchions as Frostys. Makes me think why they dropped this plating for 2015 models?!
    Mine also makes noise from crown joints
    I was told the reason we dropped the coating was because of cost so we can offer two different price points like Fox does with their Factory and Evolution lines.

    Get that noise checked by a shop or service center, it could be the headset if it is for sure coming from the front of the bike. Noise is a tough thing to diagnose. Coming from a mechanic with 20+ years experience I've chased "head tube creaks" and "bottom bracket" down to be rear dropouts and pedals and if the bike is carbon or oversize AL the noise will echo even more making it harder to find.

    That said I am not discounting the fork, just please have it double checked, it may just be a bushing seat issue or headset race not pressed on all the way. If it is coming from the crown/steer or crown/stanchion you will need to get it replaced asap as it could fail and be really bad. If it is the fork it will be warrantied, no problem.
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    Hi

    Yes its been prosessed at local zocchi dealer.

    As somekind of mechanic myself also, I made Oil service for it and had legs apart.
    while upper legs were against floor and headtube against small piece of wood I pushed crown and it made same noise, so defenetly its the crown.

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    my fork arrived and its a beauty

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    Marzocchi - Better late than never

    Quote Originally Posted by M1_joel View Post
    my fork arrived and its a beauty
    It sure is!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oppet View Post
    Hi

    Yes its been prosessed at local zocchi dealer.

    As somekind of mechanic myself also, I made Oil service for it and had legs apart.
    while upper legs were against floor and headtube against small piece of wood I pushed crown and it made same noise, so defenetly its the crown.
    Awesome! I'm happy to hear that.

    Cool deal on the way you tested it. Your tech-Foo is strong
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    My replacement 350 CR arrived today none of the severe stiction of my original fork feels much plusher straight away.

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    FYI everyone in SoCal.. November 15, 9-3 Factory sale!

    everyone in Long Beach, California, United States - photo by Marzocchi-USA - Pinkbike
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    I got a 350cr and have a couple of question:

    -the fork has some roughness, and i can hear and feel a light click at more or less 50 mm of travel, which I assume is the negative coil engaging/disengaging... can i do something about it? I already took the lowers off, and all is correctly greased.

    -if i want to upgrade the seals to skf, do the 350 use the same SKF.KIT35M kit as the 55?

    -what if i want to convert it to coil? is the R spring cartrige the same as the NCR Ti one, apart the coil being ti vs steel? and is the 55 spring cartridge compatible?

    Oh, my fork is new, but i don't have a warranty on it.

    Thanks

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    I don't know for sure but I would imagine the spring length would be different and you would need the 350r spring cartridge.

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    new but no warranty? explain please.


    Since you have it taken apart, you can take that negative spring bumper that has the 4 little nubs on it and just trip them off. it will get rid of that clicking, as the spring rides on it and can sometimes cause that noise.

    as far as roughness, make sure you lube up the bushings real good using Molykote for O-rings and fork oil blended together into a paste. get some fork oil in between the bushings and lower casting and lube up the seals really good as well.

    The SKF seals are in stock now and will work on the 55 or the 350. the part number is 8507014/P but they aren't cheap.

    to convert the CR to a coil you need these parts:
    8037004/P
    PISTON ROD SPRING 55/350 160 (150-140)

    8501444/P
    FIXING SCREW PISTON ROD 35/38

    536170>A
    SPRING GUIDE 55/350

    5142061/P (replaces 5142061/I, 5142061)
    STEEL SPRING 35/160/6.5 55R/350R
    (or 5141930/P>A (replaces 5141930>A, 5141930)
    SPRING TITANIUM 55/350 160 K7,3)

    701977/P
    TOP CAP 35/AL/BLK AIR PL 350

    you can use your current top cap air valve cap with the 701977/P

    The spring cartridge parts are the same in the R as the NCR but you have the Ti coil, the rest are the same.





    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    I got a 350cr and have a couple of question:

    -the fork has some roughness, and i can hear and feel a light click at more or less 50 mm of travel, which I assume is the negative coil engaging/disengaging... can i do something about it? I already took the lowers off, and all is correctly greased.

    -if i want to upgrade the seals to skf, do the 350 use the same SKF.KIT35M kit as the 55?

    -what if i want to convert it to coil? is the R spring cartrige the same as the NCR Ti one, apart the coil being ti vs steel? and is the 55 spring cartridge compatible?

    Oh, my fork is new, but i don't have a warranty on it.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    new but no warranty? explain please.


    Since you have it taken apart, you can take that negative spring bumper that has the 4 little nubs on it and just trip them off. it will get rid of that clicking, as the spring rides on it and can sometimes cause that noise.

    as far as roughness, make sure you lube up the bushings real good using Molykote for O-rings and fork oil blended together into a paste. get some fork oil in between the bushings and lower casting and lube up the seals really good as well.

    The SKF seals are in stock now and will work on the 55 or the 350. the part number is 8507014/P but they aren't cheap.

    to convert the CR to a coil you need these parts:
    8037004/P
    PISTON ROD SPRING 55/350 160 (150-140)

    8501444/P
    FIXING SCREW PISTON ROD 35/38

    536170>A
    SPRING GUIDE 55/350

    5142061/P (replaces 5142061/I, 5142061)
    STEEL SPRING 35/160/6.5 55R/350R
    (or 5141930/P>A (replaces 5141930>A, 5141930)
    SPRING TITANIUM 55/350 160 K7,3)

    701977/P
    TOP CAP 35/AL/BLK AIR PL 350

    you can use your current top cap air valve cap with the 701977/P

    The spring cartridge parts are the same in the R as the NCR but you have the Ti coil, the rest are the same.
    great info @Marzocchi_USA, thank you very much.

    I will try the work on the negative coil bumper.

    are this the skf seals? SKF Fork Dust Seal Kit 1 Leg 35mm Marzocchi

    what would be the cost for the coil conversion parts, if you can tell us here? (both steel and ti please)



    new w/o warranty explaination: i bought the fork second hand, but it's never been installed. it seems to be an OEM, because it's a CR with espresso coated stanchions.


    thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    great info @Marzocchi_USA, thank you very much.

    I will try the work on the negative coil bumper.

    are this the skf seals? SKF Fork Dust Seal Kit 1 Leg 35mm Marzocchi

    what would be the cost for the coil conversion parts, if you can tell us here? (both steel and ti please)



    new w/o warranty explaination: i bought the fork second hand, but it's never been installed. it seems to be an OEM, because it's a CR with espresso coated stanchions.


    thanks again


    would you believe it that that web site is blocked for me by my corporate firewall so I can't check for sure. we only have one 35mm SKF seal kit though. We just got them in here in the US so I would imagine Windwave is getting them or got them in the last few weeks.

    a CR with Espresso is either a OEM model or was a pre production sample intended for OE from what I have seen here, we have a couple of them like that but all are not for sale except to OE customers.

    Ti coil is $221
    top cap for air preload: $34
    spring guide Ti spring: $7.00
    Spring guide steel spring: $5.00
    Piston rod assembly: $67
    Fixing screw: $14.

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    How much are the SKF seals, and where can they be purchased in the states?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyz View Post
    How much are the SKF seals, and where can they be purchased in the states?
    they are $71.83 and we just got them in house here and will be shipping next week to shops and international retailers. We can't sell internationally because of our other distributors like Windwave but Jensonusa.com will be getting them (I imagine). you can try to hit up [email protected] and see if Mat can get you set up or knows of anyone over here that has them

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    @Marzocchi_USA...I have been following this thread from the beginning. I've never used, or owned any Marz components before, but the 350 CR has really piqued my interest, and has me thinking that this could be my next fork for my upcoming build. I did some searching around on the web for availability and pricing, and came up with an ad for one on eBay. It says it comes from an "Authorized Marzocchi Dealer", and will come withe the standard 3 year warranty. Will Marzocchi stand behind their warranty if purchased from eBay? There were actually a few of the 350 CR forks on eBay for sale. I also found it on Jenson USA as well and some other big internet bike sites. I'm also thinking of pairing this with a Marzocchi rear shock. Would the 053 S3C2R be a good match with the 350 CR? If I use the 350 CR for my new build, I would more than likely lower it to 150mm. Will it lower to 140mm as well and can I expect the spacers to be included in the purchase of this fork regardless of who I buy it from?

    The 3 frames I'm currently thinking about are as follows...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    would you believe it that that web site is blocked for me by my corporate firewall so I can't check for sure. we only have one 35mm SKF seal kit though. We just got them in here in the US so I would imagine Windwave is getting them or got them in the last few weeks.
    The seal kit i was referring is sold by skf as KIT35M, for the Marz 55 fork and older 35mm stanchioned 66 and 888. is it the same for the 350?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinboyer View Post
    I did some searching around on the web for availability and pricing, and came up with an ad for one on eBay. It says it comes from an "Authorized Marzocchi Dealer", and will come withe the standard 3 year warranty. Will Marzocchi stand behind their warranty if purchased from eBay? There were actually a few of the 350 CR forks on eBay for sale.
    The 350 CR lot on eBay you are reffering is from Krakatoa bikes krakatoabikes.com they seem to be legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graved1gger View Post
    The 350 CR lot on eBay you are reffering is from Krakatoa bikes krakatoabikes.com they seem to be legit.
    sweet, Krakatoa is totally legit, no worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    they are $71.83 and we just got them in house here and will be shipping next week to shops and international retailers. We can't sell internationally because of our other distributors like Windwave but Jensonusa.com will be getting them (I imagine). you can try to hit up [email protected] and see if Mat can get you set up or knows of anyone over here that has them

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    Whoa whoa whoa...over $70 for seals? I assume that's not a full seal kit, just the wipers? If so, that's about 2.5x the price that Fox charges for their SKF-developed seals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyz View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa...over $70 for seals? I assume that's not a full seal kit, just the wipers? If so, that's about 2.5x the price that Fox charges for their SKF-developed seals...
    it is the oil and dust seals so a complete kit but yes, they are pretty pricey. I'm just the messenger, don't shoot me
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    @Marzocchi_USA...It's a go on the 350 CR. I'm also thinking of pairing the 350 CR with a Marzocchi rear shock. Would the 053 S3C2R be a good match with the 350 CR? If I decide to change the travel of the 350, will it only lower to 140mm? Should I expect the spacers to be in the box when I receive it, or is it an added expense?

    Here are the 3 frames I am contemplating using the 350 CR on as well as the rear shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinboyer View Post
    @Marzocchi_USA...It's a go on the 350 CR. I'm also thinking of pairing the 350 CR with a Marzocchi rear shock. Would the 053 S3C2R be a good match with the 350 CR? If I decide to change the travel of the 350, will it only lower to 140mm? Should I expect the spacers to be in the box when I receive it, or is it an added expense?

    Here are the 3 frames I am contemplating using the 350 CR on as well as the rear shock.

    Knolly Warden

    Norco Sight 7.3 Carbon

    Ibis HD3

    Nice!

    the CR will come with 2 different reducers, a 10mm and a 20mm. have a shop do it or if it is special order ask the shop to have us do it before it is sent. travel is stock at 160mm (I'd just leave it there) but can be reduced to 150mm or 140mm.

    The 053 would be a great fit for that fork, it is hyper adjustable and adaptable. It won't be available until spring 2015 though so don't sell the stock rear shock just yet

    out of those three frames I'd be into that Ibis myself, it looks like a nice bike and I know they have great quality. I'm into plastic bikes though and have always had a soft spot for Ibis as a brand.

    cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    Nice!

    the CR will come with 2 different reducers, a 10mm and a 20mm. have a shop do it or if it is special order ask the shop to have us do it before it is sent. travel is stock at 160mm (I'd just leave it there) but can be reduced to 150mm or 140mm.

    The 053 would be a great fit for that fork, it is hyper adjustable and adaptable. It won't be available until spring 2015 though so don't sell the stock rear shock just yet

    out of those three frames I'd be into that Ibis myself, it looks like a nice bike and I know they have great quality. I'm into plastic bikes though and have always had a soft spot for Ibis as a brand.

    cheers!

    DM
    The new HD3 is certainly a nice frame. I have a 2014 Knolly Endorphin that I just built up 2 months ago. I'm loving that bike, as well as the Knolly brand. That's why I was looking at the Warden. The Norco is a 140mm frame which would work nicely if I reduced the 350 CR down to that. Where I typically ride, ( N GA, TN and NC ) 140 is plenty of travel so I definitely will reduce it down to 150mm to start with. As far as the rear shock goes, I will need to see what the eye to eye measurement is on the 3 different shocks that come stock on these frames to see if the 053 will fit or not. Based on what I've seen, it looks like the 053 has a multitude of lengths.

    As far as the spacers go, the dealer on ebay said if I wanted spacers it would be a $10.00 add on. He said that the fork would come "directly from Marzocchi, fully warrantied, in original packaging, but would not include any spacers". Does this sound right to you? From one of the previous posts, it looks like the dealer is Krakatoa Bikes. Just want to be sure before I make the purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinboyer View Post
    The new HD3 is certainly a nice frame. I have a 2014 Knolly Endorphin that I just built up 2 months ago. I'm loving that bike, as well as the Knolly brand. That's why I was looking at the Warden. The Norco is a 140mm frame which would work nicely if I reduced the 350 CR down to that. Where I typically ride, ( N GA, TN and NC ) 140 is plenty of travel so I definitely will reduce it down to 150mm to start with. As far as the rear shock goes, I will need to see what the eye to eye measurement is on the 3 different shocks that come stock on these frames to see if the 053 will fit or not. Based on what I've seen, it looks like the 053 has a multitude of lengths.

    As far as the spacers go, the dealer on ebay said if I wanted spacers it would be a $10.00 add on. He said that the fork would come "directly from Marzocchi, fully warrantied, in original packaging, but would not include any spacers". Does this sound right to you? From one of the previous posts, it looks like the dealer is Krakatoa Bikes. Just want to be sure before I make the purchase.
    I am a HUGE fan of Knolly myself actually. I am working with them to stock our forks and shocks as part of their build kits. I owned a shop a long time back and was one of their first dealers back when they were making the bikes in Portland and the CNC parts in Canada. they work fantastic and the crew there are awesome so for sure you can do a lot worse!

    Have you tried contacting Krakatoa directly? he has a Facebook page and here: krakatoabikes.com the guy's name is Miguel, he is pretty rad. I have been to his shop in person so I know it is legit. it's just a small family run hole in the wall and I love it. There is a chance the fork will end up being a special order from us as he may not have it in stock, just ask him and if it will be ask him to have it lowered here before shipping.

    I'm positive we will have a 053 that fits all three of those frames so no worries
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    "I'm positive we will have a 053 that fits all three of those frames so no worries"

    Sweet...Thanks David. I'll give Miguel a call tomorrow.
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    @Marzocchi_USA: would you happen to know or be able to find out if the 053 S3C2R will fit a 2015 Mondraker Foxy Carbon frame please? Most piggy back shocks won't though the 053 might be a little lower profile...

    Many thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    it is the oil and dust seals so a complete kit but yes, they are pretty pricey. I'm just the messenger, don't shoot me
    No shots will be fired, no worries - I'm just hoping these stock seals last well in that case!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pilotrcuk View Post
    @Marzocchi_USA: would you happen to know or be able to find out if the 053 S3C2R will fit a 2015 Mondraker Foxy Carbon frame please? Most piggy back shocks won't though the 053 might be a little lower profile...

    Many thanks,
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    I will check. I am on a waiting lust for one of those frames now (waiting for my wife to let me get it)
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    they should, they are the same NOK seal system we have been using for years with no issues. the SKF seals are just a super frictionless compound originally designed to work with the silicone molybdenum of the Espresso coating but they work great with any type of coating or ano stanchion.
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    So I'm checking out this 350 NCR and it looks good until I get to the part where the HSC is adjusted through a shim stack? So basically you get external LSR and LSC but for HSR and HSC you have to take the fork apart and mess with a bunch of shims? HSR and LSC are my only set and forget options. LSR and HSC are something I adjust all the time. For example at the start of the day (uplifting, as always) I run my HSC pretty stiff so I fly over everything and pretend I'm Aaron Gwin. Towards the end of the day I start backing off as fatigue starts to set in and I'm looking for more comfort (plush) over performance. I can't do this with just LSC or can I with the NCR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swissam View Post
    So I'm checking out this 350 NCR and it looks good until I get to the part where the HSC is adjusted through a shim stack? So basically you get external LSR and LSC but for HSR and HSC you have to take the fork apart and mess with a bunch of shims? HSR and LSC are my only set and forget options. LSR and HSC are something I adjust all the time. For example at the start of the day (uplifting, as always) I run my HSC pretty stiff so I fly over everything and pretend I'm Aaron Gwin. Towards the end of the day I start backing off as fatigue starts to set in and I'm looking for more comfort (plush) over performance. I can't do this with just LSC or can I with the NCR?
    we developed the 350 based on the system in the 380 where there is both LSC/HSC and LSR/HSR adjustable from the outside of the fork via knobs and also have an accessible HSC sub cartridge where the shims can be swapped as needed for custom tuning.

    We worked with a plethora of international racers and riders and concluded that having only LSC/LSR externally adjustable with internally adjustable shims for MSC/HSR (through a trained service center only as the system is delicate and needs to be bled again when shims are changed) was the way to go for a public offering of the product.

    The base tune setting internally is the same used by our world enduro racers and has a HUGE range of adjustability just in the low speed systems. This set up also has an IFP system in it to provide a pedal platform under climbing and sprinting loads.

    All that said between air preload and the LSC you should be able to find every setting you need.
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    Are there any pictures of 2014 350 CR internals? Are they like ones in 55CR?
    As I've read there are some problems with 55 CR: oil from the stachions gets pumped to the air chamber. And it sucked 12ml of oil from the overall 20ml in 10 days. The same problem was with Fox Floats 2010-2012.

    I can post the links, but the posts there are in russian =)

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    email me and I'll get them over to you

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    Honestly I haven't heard of that happening to the 55 CR but I saw a couple of the first Gen 350 CR do that but there is a real easy fix for it we can do under warranty if it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    Honestly I haven't heard of that happening to the 55 CR but I saw a couple of the first Gen 350 CR do that but there is a real easy fix for it we can do under warranty if it happens.
    By easy fix you mean swapping foam ring with o-ring?

    Can you look at the pictures here MZ 55 CR X-Bikers.ru? The guy went even further and did some drilling. What do you think of such modification?

    PS: My 350 CR is covered by warranty but I'll be able to get it only in two weeks or so and the waiting is killing me

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    Quote Originally Posted by graved1gger View Post
    By easy fix you mean swapping foam ring with o-ring?

    Can you look at the pictures here MZ 55 CR X-Bikers.ru? The guy went even further and did some drilling. What do you think of such modification?

    PS: My 350 CR is covered by warranty but I'll be able to get it only in two weeks or so and the waiting is killing me
    Easier than what the guy in Russia did. We don't drill any holes and swap the foam deal for a different quad seal. I have no idea why he put those holes there but I sent this to my engineers for a direct answer.
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    I have always been a bike whore who likes the bike as much as I do riding. I LOVE this fork. It feels great and looks killer too. Very happy customer here.


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    Thanks for that, sorry didn't see your reply sooner. If I get mine first I'll let you know ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilotrcuk View Post
    Thanks for that, sorry didn't see your reply sooner. If I get mine first I'll let you know ;-)
    sweet.

    I'm still waiting to hear back.I am hoping they just send me one
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    I'm still wondering if the 55 RC3 ti V2 coil cartridge would fit the 350 (air).
    can someone say what would work and what would not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    I'm still wondering if the 55 RC3 ti V2 coil cartridge would fit the 350 (air).
    can someone say what would work and what would not?
    And just to add some thinking, as long as i see both the cr cartridge and the stanchions of the 350 would allow 170mm of travel (and something more actually) so if the 55 coil internals can work it would be possible to get a 170mm 350...

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    And just to add some thinking, as long as i see both the cr cartridge and the stanchions of the 350 would allow 170mm of travel (and something more actually) so if the 55 coil internals can work it would be possible to get a 170mm 350...
    The stanchions on the 350 are not long enough to take it up to 170mm. good thinking though.

    Are you thinking of getting a 350 CR and dropping the Rc3 internals? if so, just get the NCR air, it is a better cartridge and system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    Are you thinking of getting a 350 CR and dropping the Rc3 internals? if so, just get the NCR air, it is a better cartridge and system.
    Nope, I have a 350cr and i'm thinking of dropping in the titanium spring system from a 55

    Yes, selling the cr and buying a 350ncr ti would be a better option i know :-) but more expensive too.

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    What are the differences between the cr and the nrc model.
    I know that the nrc has the «lock-out», expresso coating and sfk seals(that I can later put on a cr).
    But what about the damping and rebound system.
    Are they the same?
    Could you please comment on that part Marzocchi-USA

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    What are the differences between the cr and the nrc model.
    I know that the nrc has the «lock-out», expresso coating and sfk seals(that I can later put on a cr).
    But what about the damping and rebound system.
    Are they the same?
    Could you please comment on that part Marzocchi-USA

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    Just received a NCR yesterday and got it mounted up. Hopefully I should be able to get it out for a ride over the holiday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by komondor View Post
    What are the differences between the cr and the nrc model.
    I know that the nrc has the «lock-out», expresso coating and sfk seals(that I can later put on a cr).
    But what about the damping and rebound system.
    Are they the same?
    Could you please comment on that part Marzocchi-USA
    From what was mentioned in some earlier posts in response to questions that I asked, the compression and rebound circuits are different. The CR is a bit more simplistic relative to the NCR both in rebound and compression, and the NCR also has an IFP (Internal Floating Piston) that helps to isolate pedaling forces and help the fork bob a bit less on the way up.

    Personally, I love my CR - the compression adjustment is effective and at 4 clicks feels just right for me. The rebound circuit occasionally leaves something to be desired as it doesn't recover as well as, say, a Pike in some really choppy situations, but I think the forks overall composure and smoothness makes up for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psycle-on View Post
    Just received a NCR yesterday and got it mounted up. Hopefully I should be able to get it out for a ride over the holiday!

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    Very nice. I got the pretty blue SKF seals on order for my 350CR. your bike looks killer!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Nope, I have a 350cr and i'm thinking of dropping in the titanium spring system from a 55

    Yes, selling the cr and buying a 350ncr ti would be a better option i know :-) but more expensive too.
    You can always use that 55 as an upgrade/trade in for an NCR. just contact our USA office
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    Quote Originally Posted by komondor View Post
    What are the differences between the cr and the nrc model.
    I know that the nrc has the «lock-out», expresso coating and sfk seals(that I can later put on a cr).
    But what about the damping and rebound system.
    Are they the same?
    Could you please comment on that part Marzocchi-USA
    Thanks for the questions Luis,

    the cartridges between the two forks are different. the NCR uses an IFP system in its low frequency compression as well as its low frequency rebound to give it a pedal platform it low compression speeds. This enables the fork to essentially be a "smart" fork sensing the differences between pedal input and ground/bump forces.

    Both the low speed compression and rebound have more circuits in them allowing for a wider adjustment range as well. Plus the high speed compression is adjustable internally via the shim system as it is its own cartridge (however that cartridge is inside of a bath system that needs to be bled if changed. That change can only be done by a service center because of its complications).

    hope that answers it all

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    Thought I would share my experience with my CR. Received the fork from the good boys in Vancouver with a upgraded High Speed shim stack.
    Currently have just over 1000 km on the fork since October 15.... Yes im not working currently. I will make a point to all owners of this fork. Using the Molykote 55 is a must. ITs not cheap but its the best stuff I have found to work on seals and o rings. I recently had some of newer SKF seals sent to me and those make a drastic difference with a service to the lowers and the use of Molykote. I also used the Molykote in the air system and mixed it with some heavier weight fork oil.

    MY only complaint and I wish I new this before is the CR is a bit bland in the rebound department.. IM not saying its terrible but you get what you pay for. IM not punter for a rider and im finding a lot of situation's were I'm getting tossed when charging hard.

    Im wonder if the NCR cartridge can be purchased for my fork? Or do I need to sell it and buy a whole new fork? I know I am not supposed to take the fork apart but I found the damper a little interesting to bleed. I ended up submerging the rebound piston and making a special cup around the seal head so no air was introduced into the system. I wont go into detail since I know its not recommended to remove.

    Can this pedal platform be taken out of the NCR compression circuit? The CR uses a spring to loaded IFP which is kinda neat. I like the CR's High speed stack that was upgraded. Any thoughts on my idea. I don't care for Pedal PLATFORMS


    I work for Giant bikes and im on the road all summer and need something a little more user friendly when the damper needs a bleed. I cant really send the fork away since im on the move all the time. I know you guys promote sending forks back but I have serviced a lot of forks in my time.

    Im pretty happy with my fork so far! the last ZOKEs I owned was a DH3 in with a whopping 3 inches of travel....

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    @Shanej...

    I feel the same way about the rebound. I just sent my fork in for service and asked whether there are any options to upgrade or customize, but no word from Marz yet.

    I'm also thinking about requesting a more substantial High Speed Compression tune. What did you specifically request that led to the new shim configuration, and what difference have you noticed in the way the fork handles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyz View Post
    @Shanej...

    I feel the same way about the rebound. I just sent my fork in for service and asked whether there are any options to upgrade or customize, but no word from Marz yet.

    I'm also thinking about requesting a more substantial High Speed Compression tune. What did you specifically request that led to the new shim configuration, and what difference have you noticed in the way the fork handles?
    I don't have the base shim stack to base anything off. I was told it was kind of the next tune up from stock, this was installed before a purchased the fork. Im 180 pounds run about 75 to 80 psi in the fork. I ramped up the air 5 psi since the rebuild the seals and proper O ring and seal lube freed up the fork . Its really small bump sensitive now. I like to fiddle so I would love to adjust the shim stack from here to be honest. But the rebound in the current CR fork cant be changed .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    You can always use that 55 as an upgrade/trade in for an NCR. just contact our USA office
    Thanks, but i'm not in the USA.
    No answer about the spring side swap feasibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Thanks, but i'm not in the USA.
    No answer about the spring side swap feasibility?
    sorry, I missed that.

    The air chamber is different and the spring won't fit if dropped in. the springs in the 55 don't fit in the stanchions, they bind up when compressed, we tried it.

    the NCR coil cartridge will be available soon and you'll be able to get those parts to upgrade it if you want though, probably just after the new year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    The air chamber is different and the spring won't fit if dropped in. the springs in the 55 don't fit in the stanchions, they bind up when compressed, we tried it.
    Ok thank you, i truly appreciate your answering to all our questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Ok thank you, i truly appreciate your answering to all our questions.
    very welcome, it's why I'm here.

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    That's good news on upgrading the cartridge Im not saying this fork isn't up to snuff by any means! Another question the claimed weight between both forks... is it just the damper system that shaves the grams or is it the chassis also on the NCR? My assumption would be the internals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanej View Post
    That's good news on upgrading the cartridge Im not saying this fork isn't up to snuff by any means! Another question the claimed weight between both forks... is it just the damper system that shaves the grams or is it the chassis also on the NCR? My assumption would be the internals.
    word.

    yeah it is all internals and oil volume. form factor is the same between all forks.
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    @Shanej
    So what is it about the rebound damping that's off ? To fast , to slow, or to too slow deep in the travel and to fast near full extension ?

    @MarzocchiUSA
    Where is the best place to order the small parts ? I stripped the rebound side footnut ( eventually got it off with vise grips) and was hoping you could help me track down another one

    Thanks

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    From what I have found and trust me I have turned into a bike nerd again after being in the industry since 1996. I used to race some Canada cups and Norba races down in the USA. I would say my riding is still decent... SO ill try and give you positive feedback..
    I tested the fork on a few local trails back to back. I found of a few maybe 3 to 4 foot high speed drops 35 to 45 kph down pretty steep terrain the fork simple cant keep the front end planted. That's in the middle of the adjustment range 1 or 2 clicks to slower depending on the terrain.
    It returns way to quick and has bucked me of the same drop with a few different adjustments. In mid stroke it seems to be fine but really this all comes down to shaft speeds and what the trail is offering. At the end of its stroke its ok but could be better for small bump traction at high speeds.

    Again we are asking alot for a Low speed port to take care of high and low speed events. It is a cost effective price on the CR and other companies have the same style rebound assembly. SO they are all in the same boat.. Im really amazed by how wicked the fork is for eating up bumps and it doesn't bottom out very often or at all. I removed all the factory grease in the air chamber and mixed some Molykote and thick oil and adjusted the air chamber to my liking. When I had my hands on are 2015 Reign's in my demo fleet this fall I really didn't like the Pike. I mean it FELT good but on the trail it didn't have the bump eating capability's that my CR with the upgraded High speed stack.

    I want to see what its going to cost to get the NCR cartridge or maybe sell my fork Its a buyers market so I cant get much for it.

    Im also in need for a new Rebound foot nut.. Ill bother the guys in Vancouver for one.

    Hope I didn't ramble too much when I was in my riding prime.... we didn't have forums to post on......

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    Thanks for the reply man, I probably wont get to try mine out until spring so wanted to know what Im in for. I'm guessing you run a fairly high pressure for riding hard like that. Sounds like the rebound circuit might be suited for lower pressures. From what I am reading on the interwebs if your not a fan of the pike you might as well drop some cash and go for the BOS Deville, haven't hear anything but praise on that one so far. Arts Cycle does have a sale on this week .. But yeah I think the 350 will suit me just fine 99% of the time, throw some good rubber on the from and let er buck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silliker269 View Post
    @Shanej
    So what is it about the rebound damping that's off ? To fast , to slow, or to too slow deep in the travel and to fast near full extension ?

    @MarzocchiUSA
    Where is the best place to order the small parts ? I stripped the rebound side footnut ( eventually got it off with vise grips) and was hoping you could help me track down another one

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanej View Post
    From what I have found and trust me I have turned into a bike nerd again after being in the industry since 1996. I used to race some Canada cups and Norba races down in the USA. I would say my riding is still decent... SO ill try and give you positive feedback..
    I tested the fork on a few local trails back to back. I found of a few maybe 3 to 4 foot high speed drops 35 to 45 kph down pretty steep terrain the fork simple cant keep the front end planted. That's in the middle of the adjustment range 1 or 2 clicks to slower depending on the terrain.
    It returns way to quick and has bucked me of the same drop with a few different adjustments. In mid stroke it seems to be fine but really this all comes down to shaft speeds and what the trail is offering. At the end of its stroke its ok but could be better for small bump traction at high speeds.

    Again we are asking alot for a Low speed port to take care of high and low speed events. It is a cost effective price on the CR and other companies have the same style rebound assembly. SO they are all in the same boat.. Im really amazed by how wicked the fork is for eating up bumps and it doesn't bottom out very often or at all. I removed all the factory grease in the air chamber and mixed some Molykote and thick oil and adjusted the air chamber to my liking. When I had my hands on are 2015 Reign's in my demo fleet this fall I really didn't like the Pike. I mean it FELT good but on the trail it didn't have the bump eating capability's that my CR with the upgraded High speed stack.

    I want to see what its going to cost to get the NCR cartridge or maybe sell my fork Its a buyers market so I cant get much for it.

    Im also in need for a new Rebound foot nut.. Ill bother the guys in Vancouver for one.

    Hope I didn't ramble too much when I was in my riding prime.... we didn't have forums to post on......

    Great feedback! It is things like this that I like to read here. I'm sure Naz and Alex can get you set up on that rebound knob, no worries.
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    I live in a hot jungle environment and my current 2014 fox air forks often grow firmer due to the fork air expanding in the heat. Would the 350ncr titanium resolve this problem being a coil?

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    explain? I would love to see what a air system does after a 15 minute run... Most people or (punters) cant even DH non stop for that long. I think were the problem lies and here is my disappointment with the bike industry.

    We don't see what a for Damper system does after lets say a 5 minute cycle. How much does the oil heat up and the damper do with that oil. How much does the suspension curves change? If your a nerd like me you want that info.

    An air system made out of aluminum would expand with how much heat? correct!! But really we have a small amount of oil in that system to battle that problem. Im not sure how a coil would help that. ?

    Your tolerance's in your fork are designed to glide on oil between the bushing and stanchion. Maybe these Fox forks aren't getting the service they need. You got a lot of air moving over a fork leg to cool it down.

    Maybe Im out to lunch but I have seen poorly lubricated open bath forks seize after just a couple runs. But I think that comes down to tolerances and maybe the end user was using a grease more than a oil.

    You change your oil in your car every 6 months? why not your oil in your $1000.00 fork every 3 weeks? Its not hard to service the lowers... But again im all about buttery smooth working suspension...

    The biggest thing with suspension is getting the air out of the damper system.. IF you don't the performance falls off really fast and the oil gets aerated.

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    [QUOTE=Shanej;11614066]explain? I would love to see what a air system does after a 15 minute run... Most people or (punters) cant even DH non stop for that long. I think were the problem lies and here is my disappointment with the bike industry.

    We don't see what a for Damper system does after lets say a 5 minute cycle. How much does the oil heat up and the damper do with that oil. How much does the suspension curves change? If your a nerd like me you want that info.

    An air system made out of aluminum would expand with how much heat? correct!! But really we have a small amount of oil in that system to battle that problem. Im not sure how a coil would help that. ?

    Your tolerance's in your fork are designed to glide on oil between the bushing and stanchion. Maybe these Fox forks aren't getting the service they need. You got a lot of air moving over a fork leg to cool it down.

    Maybe Im out to lunch but I have seen poorly lubricated open bath forks seize after just a couple runs. But I think that comes down to tolerances and maybe the end user was using a grease more than a oil.

    You change your oil in your car every 6 months? why not your oil in your $1000.00 fork every 3 weeks? Its not hard to service the lowers... But again im all about buttery smooth working suspension...

    The biggest thing with suspension is getting the air out of the damper system.. IF you don't the performance falls off really fast and the oil gets aerated.[/QUOTE


    You'd have to take that up with the fox distributor and service centre in Hong Kong, as that's what their head technician told me when I asked why my forks got stiffer at the end of a couple of minutes downhill in the middle of Hong Kong Summer (about 33 degrees and high humidity). His words were 'the air expands due to the heat so the pressure increases. The forks btw were six months old and on their first full service. I'm not so savvy with fork tech so I accepted what he said as it seemed to make sense, but am happy to be educated if there is a reason other than what the fox technician said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanej View Post
    explain? I would love to see what a air system does after a 15 minute run... Most people or (punters) cant even DH non stop for that long. I think were the problem lies and here is my disappointment with the bike industry.

    We don't see what a for Damper system does after lets say a 5 minute cycle. How much does the oil heat up and the damper do with that oil. How much does the suspension curves change? If your a nerd like me you want that info.

    An air system made out of aluminum would expand with how much heat? correct!! But really we have a small amount of oil in that system to battle that problem. Im not sure how a coil would help that. ?

    Your tolerance's in your fork are designed to glide on oil between the bushing and stanchion. Maybe these Fox forks aren't getting the service they need. You got a lot of air moving over a fork leg to cool it down.

    Maybe Im out to lunch but I have seen poorly lubricated open bath forks seize after just a couple runs. But I think that comes down to tolerances and maybe the end user was using a grease more than a oil.

    You change your oil in your car every 6 months? why not your oil in your $1000.00 fork every 3 weeks? Its not hard to service the lowers... But again im all about buttery smooth working suspension...

    The biggest thing with suspension is getting the air out of the damper system.. IF you don't the performance falls off really fast and the oil gets aerated.[/QUOTE


    You'd have to take that up with the fox distributor and service centre in Hong Kong, as that's what their head technician told me when I asked why my forks got stiffer at the end of a couple of minutes downhill in the middle of Hong Kong Summer (about 33 degrees and high humidity). His words were 'the air expands due to the heat so the pressure increases. The forks btw were six months old and on their first full service. I'm not so savvy with fork tech so I accepted what he said as it seemed to make sense, but am happy to be educated if there is a reason other than what the fox technician said.
    Yes air pressure inside the chamber increases due to the heat, an this is a factor that the coli spring fork eliminates We're speaking of a 5% air pressure increase for a 13 deg delta, not a huge effect.
    Another factor is that the oil in the damper decrease his viscosity due to the heat, so you end up with a less dampened fork. This will not vary with a coil fork.

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    Another factor is that the oil in the damper decrease his viscosity due to the heat, so you end up with a less dampened fork. This will not vary with a coil fork.
    The damper will not see any decreased susceptibility to heat with a coil vs. air. The only difference will be with the spring side, but if the sensation is that the fork is stiffer, then the air spring is the problem. Damper oil is much more resistant to heat than air is anyways, so I doubt that's the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally Ho View Post
    I live in a hot jungle environment and my current 2014 fox air forks often grow firmer due to the fork air expanding in the heat. Would the 350ncr titanium resolve this problem being a coil?
    I can see that, I have had to burp air out of forks when I go up to elevation and have seen this across the board for all forks, coil or air but for sure more so on some brands than others and having a coil is better for that reason. I can see how a high humidity, hotter environment can lead to the same type of situation so it stands to reason a coil would be better off than a total air in that case.

    Keep in mind the NCR Ti also uses air as the preload so you will still have to adjust it most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanej View Post
    explain? I would love to see what a air system does after a 15 minute run... Most people or (punters) cant even DH non stop for that long. I think were the problem lies and here is my disappointment with the bike industry.

    We don't see what a for Damper system does after lets say a 5 minute cycle. How much does the oil heat up and the damper do with that oil. How much does the suspension curves change? If your a nerd like me you want that info.

    An air system made out of aluminum would expand with how much heat? correct!! But really we have a small amount of oil in that system to battle that problem. Im not sure how a coil would help that. ?

    Your tolerance's in your fork are designed to glide on oil between the bushing and stanchion. Maybe these Fox forks aren't getting the service they need. You got a lot of air moving over a fork leg to cool it down.

    Maybe Im out to lunch but I have seen poorly lubricated open bath forks seize after just a couple runs. But I think that comes down to tolerances and maybe the end user was using a grease more than a oil.

    You change your oil in your car every 6 months? why not your oil in your $1000.00 fork every 3 weeks? Its not hard to service the lowers... But again im all about buttery smooth working suspension...

    The biggest thing with suspension is getting the air out of the damper system.. IF you don't the performance falls off really fast and the oil gets aerated.
    All of these are great points for discussion. thanks for bringing them all up!
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    This question might be better asked in a new thread since most comments are about the 350 series, however, I'm wondering if anyone has ridden the 2015 320 LR and their opinion of the fork.

    I'm building a new 650b hardtail (either a Chinese carbon or the Commencal Meta Trail) and the 320 LR looks good, but I found a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV0vup7g_WE of the 2014 version ) and the fork really goes through its travel and I'm concerned it will be overwhelmed and pack down on short, rocky downhill sections.

    Unlike the 350CR, it looks like I lose the ability to change the compression setting on the 320 LR. Wouldn't the compression setting allow me to control the progression of the fork so I don't go through all my travel but still have good small bump compliance?

    Also, the fork in the video has the better coating on the stanchions. The 2015 320 LR has the silver coating and I'm wondering how this affects small bump compliance?

    Thanks.

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    Just wanted to give a quick props to Marz USA. I sent my 350 CR in last week after rounding out the damper side foot nut, and I just got word that my fork is on its way back to me. 10mm travel spacer was installed and foot nut was replaced all at no cost to me. That's great service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _y5 View Post
    This question might be better asked in a new thread since most comments are about the 350 series, however, I'm wondering if anyone has ridden the 2015 320 LR and their opinion of the fork.

    I'm building a new 650b hardtail (either a Chinese carbon or the Commencal Meta Trail) and the 320 LR looks good, but I found a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV0vup7g_WE of the 2014 version ) and the fork really goes through its travel and I'm concerned it will be overwhelmed and pack down on short, rocky downhill sections.

    Unlike the 350CR, it looks like I lose the ability to change the compression setting on the 320 LR. Wouldn't the compression setting allow me to control the progression of the fork so I don't go through all my travel but still have good small bump compliance?

    Also, the fork in the video has the better coating on the stanchions. The 2015 320 LR has the silver coating and I'm wondering how this affects small bump compliance?

    Thanks.
    I'm curious what air pressure that person in the video is running. because of the proximity and fish-eye lens the fork looks like it is at 120mm also (not that it really matters).

    The LR you would be getting for your 650b wheel (should you decide to get it) will use the same LR system as the 29" models like in this video but it will use the new lowers and crown (Marzocchi Shaves Up to 185g From 320 XC Forks, Updates Offset for 29ers) and won't be available for a while still. I haven't spent a lot of time on the LR model but it does have a fixed compression system in it leaving you to add air to it if you want it firmer. I have an LCR on my 29r hard tail and it works the same as the 350 NCR series in terms of compression adjustability.

    I'd have to lump the 320 LR series into the 350 R category (albeit with an air spring, not coil): a solid, entry-level value oriented fork. Nothing fancy, reliable performance but no bells or whistles.

    As far as stanchion coating, there is a noticeable difference in stiction between the espresso coating and any other coating we have used in the past or present (including the standard natural which is what comes on the LR models). nothing can be 100% stictionless but the espresso coated forks, once they are used for about an hour or so and all oil is working inside and everything is all lubed internally any stiction is virtually unnoticeable.

    All that said, the LR model is a performance part but not a "high performance" part. It is a great every-mans fork but I wouldn't call it a pro level race fork like the LCR models. Hope that helped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babyz View Post
    Just wanted to give a quick props to Marz USA. I sent my 350 CR in last week after rounding out the damper side foot nut, and I just got word that my fork is on its way back to me. 10mm travel spacer was installed and foot nut was replaced all at no cost to me. That's great service.
    Fantastic! I am happy we were able to take care of you. With only 5 people here in the US doing the work of at least 10 we put customer service above everything, especially with anything technical.

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    You know, these days I really value reputation and customer service more than just about anything. If they seem passionate and knowledgeable about their products or services, and are genuinely caring for the customers, then I feel confident about buying their products or using their service and am happy to pay. But too much lately I have been lied to and cheated by companies (particularly car and bike dealers) and I feel like there's nobody that I can go to that is honest or helpful. It's like, if I want or need something, I just have to accept that I'm going to get poor service and pay way too much for it.

    So sure, there are some products that I may actually prefer or that will perform better but if their service reputation sucks, screw them! One example is the Point One pedals. I read that many people were getting no responses from customer service and were having their warranties denied whereas with Canfield pedals, they were getting quick responses and were always covered if something happened. I've also heard some questionable things about BOS service which I was originally planning to go with but I am impressed by Marzocchi's dedication and support recently so it looks like I'll be going with their fork and shock instead.

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    Yeah, this thread and response from Marzocchi_USA was the primary reason why I chose 350 CR, which I'll finally lay my hands on today or tomorrow, hope it had a good journey across Atlantic. I'll post some images later. Also, I am now considering buying 053 shock when it will become available - US price for the shock is nothing but awesome.

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    This thread is why I have a 350CR instead of a Fox36. Putting the SKF seals in this week.



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    You know, these days I really value reputation and customer service more than just about anything. If they seem passionate and knowledgeable about their products or services, and are genuinely caring for the customers, then I feel confident about buying their products or using their service and am happy to pay. But too much lately I have been lied to and cheated by companies (particularly car and bike dealers) and I feel like there's nobody that I can go to that is honest or helpful. It's like, if I want or need something, I just have to accept that I'm going to get poor service and pay way too much for it.

    So sure, there are some products that I may actually prefer or that will perform better but if their service reputation sucks, screw them! One example is the Point One pedals. I read that many people were getting no responses from customer service and were having their warranties denied whereas with Canfield pedals, they were getting quick responses and were always covered if something happened. I've also heard some questionable things about BOS service which I was originally planning to go with but I am impressed by Marzocchi's dedication and support recently so it looks like I'll be going with their fork and shock instead.
    As a consumer myself I feel the same way and I approach my job here at Marzocchi from that mindset.. "a consumer, not customer." the difference (to me) there is that a consumer is one who purchases products from a variety of sources. A customer is one who only buys from a particular source. So the way I see it everyone is a consumer and so all consumers deserve the same respect and dignity as every customer but if you were just a customer I could expect you to just throw your money at me so your respect is not necessary as it is expected.

    No matter where I am or what I am buying (bike parts to bananas) I look at the world that way and if I am not receiving that respect and dignity from any particular source I refuse to do business with that company. I know Marzocchi has failed in the past with that service/respect but all of us here in the US office are trying to change that for the better for sure. We may not have the best products for everyone (case in point..we don't have a banging NCR 26" fork,just the 55 CR) but we can offer best in class support and service to all consumers..from those that just want decals to those that want forks and shocks. It is a long road and time will tell but every revolution starts with a spark. As long as my colleagues here can keep up and keep fighting the good fight for everyone we will be good and everyone wins.

    And to be fair and play advocate for Point 1 (I don't even own a pair) was going through lots and lots of growing pains as well as monitory issues and have been acquired by Gamut so service should be pretty spot on soon enough. I may even need to start riding flats again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    I'm curious what air pressure that person in the video is running. because of the proximity and fish-eye lens the fork looks like it is at 120mm also (not that it really matters).

    The LR you would be getting for your 650b wheel (should you decide to get it) will use the same LR system as the 29" models like in this video but it will use the new lowers and crown (Marzocchi Shaves Up to 185g From 320 XC Forks, Updates Offset for 29ers) and won't be available for a while still. I haven't spent a lot of time on the LR model but it does have a fixed compression system in it leaving you to add air to it if you want it firmer. I have an LCR on my 29r hard tail and it works the same as the 350 NCR series in terms of compression adjustability.

    I'd have to lump the 320 LR series into the 350 R category (albeit with an air spring, not coil): a solid, entry-level value oriented fork. Nothing fancy, reliable performance but no bells or whistles.

    As far as stanchion coating, there is a noticeable difference in stiction between the espresso coating and any other coating we have used in the past or present (including the standard natural which is what comes on the LR models). nothing can be 100% stictionless but the espresso coated forks, once they are used for about an hour or so and all oil is working inside and everything is all lubed internally any stiction is virtually unnoticeable.

    All that said, the LR model is a performance part but not a "high performance" part. It is a great every-mans fork but I wouldn't call it a pro level race fork like the LCR models. Hope that helped.
    Is it possible to send the 320 LR to Marzocchi to have the compression changed it I don't like the default setting?

    No doubt the espresso coating is better, I'm just trying to determine the quality of coating on the 320 LR. I would hope it would be better than on my current Fox fork which I would guess is about 6 years old and equivalent to my old Bomber which was very plush (of course it was a coil fork). Also it looks like the LR has the same seals as the 320 LCR. I would think this would help with stiction.

    Finally, any chance the 320 LCR will be offered in black?

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    nice make sure you re do the air system with the Molykote. Mix it with a thicker shock oil and then tune the air chamber to your personal riding. Im going to make a injector tool so I can remove the valve core on my air side of the fork and add oil if needed down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _y5 View Post
    Is it possible to send the 320 LR to Marzocchi to have the compression changed it I don't like the default setting?

    No doubt the espresso coating is better, I'm just trying to determine the quality of coating on the 320 LR. I would hope it would be better than on my current Fox fork which I would guess is about 6 years old and equivalent to my old Bomber which was very plush (of course it was a coil fork). Also it looks like the LR has the same seals as the 320 LCR. I would think this would help with stiction.

    Finally, any chance the 320 LCR will be offered in black?
    The compression system on the LR models is fixed but the LCR models can be adjusted by us in house.

    The natural coating (non-espresso) is a hard anodize finish probably the same as the Fox Evolution line. Without knowing their exact process I can't say for sure but it seems identical. Seals of the LR and LCR are the same for the 44mm offset but with the 51mm offset and 27.5" models they have a custom single seal system exclusive to those lower castings. These seals are lighter and have less friction than the standard black seals.

    The LCR is white but black lowers will exist. the LCR Carbon comes in black and its lowers are the same as the LR and LCR non-carbon.
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    I've installed my 350 CR yesterday. Now I'm planning to order some green decals . Also I'm disappointed travel spacer wasn't included with the fork (ordered from Krakotoa bikes). And now I'm having 160/130 travel, yes GT made their Sensor X with 150/130, but 160 is a little to much. Now I'm thinking to buy 190x51 053 and make something like their aluminum Force X 2015 or just order travel spacer and reduce travel to 140
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    The fork feels nice, a lot better than the Sektor, but I wasn't able to ride it much: snow and ice aren't great conditions to ride and it is getting dark early..

    Oh, and the thing I love most by now - it is plush, but it doesn't dive much under braking! To keep sektor plush I ran 35% sag(well, it was diving heavily even with 20% sag) and it was diving like hell under braking.
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    I'm glad you guys are enjoying your forks I've had mine about 3 weeks now but I still can't finish the bike yet!

    Mine didn't come with a spacer either but the local distributor (Windave) sent me one for free. Dropping the travel was a piece of cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    I'm glad you guys are enjoying your forks I've had mine about 3 weeks now but I still can't finish the bike yet!

    Mine didn't come with a spacer either but the local distributor (Windave) sent me one for free. Dropping the travel was a piece of cake.
    I've ridden a few kms but, it doesn't mean that the bike is finished. I'm still waiting for narrow-wide chainring and 42t sprocket, they should arrive soon.

    The thing is, I have no local official Marzocchi dealer in my country at the moment. Guess I'll have to buy the spacer from ebay.

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    Hi, I'm an XC rider interested in the 650b 320 LCR Carbon to replace my MRP Loop, which is a good fork but which is quite heavy. Are the 2015 models out in shops now? Are there any full-on reviews of this fork? I couldn't find any online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graved1gger View Post
    I've installed my 350 CR yesterday. Now I'm planning to order some green decals . Also I'm disappointed travel spacer wasn't included with the fork (ordered from Krakotoa bikes). And now I'm having 160/130 travel, yes GT made their Sensor X with 150/130, but 160 is a little to much. Now I'm thinking to buy 190x51 053 and make something like their aluminum Force X 2015 or just order travel spacer and reduce travel to 140
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    The fork feels nice, a lot better than the Sektor, but I wasn't able to ride it much: snow and ice aren't great conditions to ride and it is getting dark early..

    Oh, and the thing I love most by now - it is plush, but it doesn't dive much under braking! To keep sektor plush I ran 35% sag(well, it was diving heavily even with 20% sag) and it was diving like hell under braking.
    @graved1gger, call up our tech or sales office here in Long Beach and we'll get you that reducer. The service needs to be done by a shop to keep warranty intact however.

    also, if you want, email me and I'll set you up with the file for those gree decals. I have them at the ready.

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    cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by talabardio View Post
    Hi, I'm an XC rider interested in the 650b 320 LCR Carbon to replace my MRP Loop, which is a good fork but which is quite heavy. Are the 2015 models out in shops now? Are there any full-on reviews of this fork? I couldn't find any online.
    not yet, I'll be seeing the 27.5 models in early spring, probably around Sea Otter time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    not yet, I'll be seeing the 27.5 models in early spring, probably around Sea Otter time
    Ok, so this is not new product then?: Marzocchi 320 LCR Carbon Forks - 15mm 2015 | Chain Reaction Cycles

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    Quote Originally Posted by talabardio View Post
    I'm looking into that now. I was informed that fork wasn't slated for final production until January with production release in April. Maybe CRC has some pre-production models. I had one here but had to ship it to a distributor in S. America so I know the fork exists and works. I have an LR model of it here too but only one that is part of my marketing sample set that I can't sell.

    the plot thickens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    I'm looking into that now...

    the plot thickens...
    Woah, that's odd. I figured that maybe an order would turn into a pre-order for product that wouldn't actually exist for a few months...

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    Quote Originally Posted by talabardio View Post
    Woah, that's odd. I figured that maybe an order would turn into a pre-order for product that wouldn't actually exist for a few months...
    yeah, I don't know. We are looking into it. I had my sales guy contact CRC to get the scoop. It they have them then cool, they got lucky and we got the short straw. :-/
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    when is that rear shock going to be floatin around the US...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    As a consumer myself I feel the same way and I approach my job here at Marzocchi from that mindset.. "a consumer, not customer." the difference (to me) there is that a consumer is one who purchases products from a variety of sources. A customer is one who only buys from a particular source. So the way I see it everyone is a consumer and so all consumers deserve the same respect and dignity as every customer but if you were just a customer I could expect you to just throw your money at me so your respect is not necessary as it is expected.
    Big words!
    Respect for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenHolloway View Post
    when is that rear shock going to be floatin around the US...
    the 053 and 023 (I still wish they went with the original names of Edge and Zola) are due around the same time as the 27.5 XC forks in early-mid spring (Sea Otter-ish)
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    Wow, Edge and Zola were cute names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graved1gger View Post
    Wow, Edge and Zola were cute names.
    at least you wouldn't be tripping over numbers constantly :-/
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    I'll write it here.

    David, thank you for the decals and your posts in this thread. Best support ever. I wish every manufacturer had the same support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graved1gger View Post
    I'll write it here.

    David, thank you for the decals and your posts in this thread. Best support ever. I wish every manufacturer had the same support.
    Thanks sir! I hope those files work out for you. make sure to post images when you get them made!

    cheers!

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    Been following this thread for a while now and i think i am in the market for a set of 350 CR forks.

    What i cannot find is any info on self service intervals. With the pikes i dropped the lowers every 50 - 80 hours of riding and cleaned and re-lubed.

    Any info would be gratefully received,

    thanks

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    For the 15 minutes it takes to do a lower service on the fork I would do it more to be honest. Rock Shox Pikes personally I think they should be done every 20 to 25 hours. They have no lubrication in them at all.

    20-25 cc in each leg. 7 wt or I adjust depending in air temp its colder out so I went lighter... Use Molykote on the seals and the air piston.

    THe guys in Vancouver told me they are working on some service videos for the future. ??

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    Just got the SKF seals & Molykote 55 treatment done on the 350 CR. Feels great.


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    Hey All,

    Recently ordered a Yeti SB6C frame and now need a fork to fit it!!

    I am down to the new fox 36 and the 350 NCR, the only non Zoke I have ever ridden is my current 2011 36 fork going back to the mid 90's. I really want the NCR, convince me its the one!

    Only thing that bugs me on the NCR is that handlebar remote, I see that as silly for a 160 fork, I would not mount that thing. Can I get my hands on the replacement knobs? There is a video posted by Marzocchi that just showed up on youtube showing how to replace, easy enough, but where do I get the parts? Better yet, can I order the fork with the non-remote version?

    Pretty excited to see the quality on the Zokes is back, really want the Zoke, but have tested the new 36 and its pretty nice too. Anyone have any bad experience with the new 36?

    Thanks

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    Only thing that bugs me on the NCR is that handlebar remote, I see that as silly for a 160 fork, I would not mount that thing. Can I get my hands on the replacement knobs? There is a video posted by Marzocchi that just showed up on youtube showing how to replace, easy enough, but where do I get the parts? Better yet, can I order the fork with the non-remote version?
    My NCR came with a replacement knob, 2 travel reduction spacers and a shock pump. I did not want the remote either so this is what it looks like now:

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    Quote Originally Posted by psycle-on View Post
    My NCR came with a replacement knob, 2 travel reduction spacers and a shock pump. I did not want the remote either so this is what it looks like now:

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    Interesting, where did you order from? and even more importantly, how does that thing ride??

    Thanks

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    My local shop got it for me.
    I really like the ride compared to the Fox 34 that came on the bike. I have not ridden a Pike so I can't say how it compares there.
    It has a lot more small bump sensitivity and on big hits it does not give the harsh bottom that the Fox did. I am still trying to fine tune the air pressure and compression damping but I am getting really close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psycle-on View Post
    My local shop got it for me.
    I really like the ride compared to the Fox 34 that came on the bike. I have not ridden a Pike so I can't say how it compares there.
    It has a lot more small bump sensitivity and on big hits it does not give the harsh bottom that the Fox did. I am still trying to fine tune the air pressure and compression damping but I am getting really close.
    Copy that, thanks for the info

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    Marzocchi - Better late than never

    The Pinkbike preview made a comment on there being a remote option for the 053 S3C2R. Any ideas if this will be an aftermarket option or whether there will be remote specific shocks that are not reversible?


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    Was just comparing A2C dimensions between the 2015 350 NCR, and 2015 fox 36 RC2. Is the NCR really 20mm taller? That's almost an inch!!

    I am building up a yeti sb6, and with the fox it has a 65.5 head angle. I am drooling over the NCR, but not sure I want that head angle a whole lot slacker.

    I see the NCR is 557 mm, and the fox is 537 mm. I know the 36 is shorter this year, but dang, I might be stuck with the fox unless I am missing something.

    Any thoughts?

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    Marzocchi - Better late than never

    How has the axel on the new forks been working out. I had problems with it on my last 55 (2012 micro Ti) and it looks like they are using the same system. I'd love to get back to a Zoke again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subydoo View Post
    Was just comparing A2C dimensions between the 2015 350 NCR, and 2015 fox 36 RC2. Is the NCR really 20mm taller? That's almost an inch!!

    I am building up a yeti sb6, and with the fox it has a 65.5 head angle. I am drooling over the NCR, but not sure I want that head angle a whole lot slacker.

    I see the NCR is 557 mm, and the fox is 537 mm. I know the 36 is shorter this year, but dang, I might be stuck with the fox unless I am missing something.

    Any thoughts?
    The 350 is 557mm tall, correct.
    but isn't the Fox 36 650b 160mm supposed to be 549mm?

    It's an 8mm difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    The 350 is 557mm tall, correct.
    but isn't the Fox 36 650b 160mm supposed to be 549mm?

    It's an 8mm difference.
    Looks like I was using the 26" number, agreed 8mm not enough to worry about!

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    Looks great - where did you get the SKF seals?

    I have a new CR 350 and like the fork a lot but am still having some stiction which I'm not too crazy about. I know some people have greased the lowers and added new oil which helps but I wouldn't mind doing the seals as well.

    Thanks for any help!

    Quote Originally Posted by M1_joel View Post
    Just got the SKF seals & Molykote 55 treatment done on the 350 CR. Feels great.

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    I got the seals direct from Marzocchi and the Molykote 55 from Amazon.com

    The fork feels great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty125 View Post
    Wondered if anyone could explain why this streak like wear is appearing on stanchions that are less than 4 months old.

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    Hmmm I can only say that something isn't right with coating or bushings. Mine 380 espresso coat, looks like crap after 4 hours of riding in normal conditions..
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    Tymbarek - your 380 looks like that after only a few hours?

    Been wanting to pull the trigger on a 350 NCR, but this concerns me. Saw this post a while back, was hoping it was an isolated incident...

    May just have to buy the fox 36
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    It seems like an isolated incident, may be something to do with bushings, because my 350 CR made it through the tough rainy day fine. It has only ~8 hours of riding, but so far so good.

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    I have over 1000 kms on mine they look like that. Im not to concerned My Inline DB air on the rear is doing the same. I know that everything is lubricated and runs smooth. I guess im not too fussy about stuff like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanej View Post
    I have over 1000 kms on mine they look like that. Im not to concerned My Inline DB air on the rear is doing the same. I know that everything is lubricated and runs smooth. I guess im not too fussy about stuff like this
    Wow, problems like that after only 1000 km, I am way too fussy to deal with that. My db air cs does not show any of those type marks after a season, and my fox 36 Kashima from 2011 does not either.

    Are you running the 350 CR or NCR? The NCR is the espresso coating right?

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    My 350 CR 2014 (espresso coating) which had stiction and then developed the wear marks were warrantied very quickly. The replacement was much plusher with almost no stiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty125 View Post
    My 350 CR 2014 (espresso coating) which had stiction and then developed the wear marks were warrantied very quickly. The replacement was much plusher with almost no stiction.
    As I recall your photo - that wasn't espresso, that was gold race coating.

    update:
    it sure looks like gold race coating
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    Wondered if anyone could explain why this streak like wear is appearing on stanchions that are less than 4 months old.


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    Yes you are right it is the gold race coating it is a bit confusing as it is a darker colour than the race coating on the 2014 55.

    Oh someone I know also had the streaking/bushing issues on his 55 CR.

    EDIT I was also told that Marzocchi were aware of the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr0sty125 View Post
    My 350 CR 2014 (espresso coating) which had stiction and then developed the wear marks were warrantied very quickly. The replacement was much plusher with almost no stiction.
    Hmmmm. mine only has marks but in daylight they are almost invisible, they show up when use light from my LED flashlight. What about stiction my 380 has none I mean comparing to my previous nickel coated 380 from 2014 there is no stiction.

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    Any new developments regarding the dropper post? Excited to learn more!

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    Will the 35mm enduro fork seal kit (sold by RWC) for the 55 work with the 350? Also, is molykote 33 an acceptable alternative to the 55? All I have is 33 at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macthekife View Post
    Been following this thread for a while now and i think i am in the market for a set of 350 CR forks.

    What i cannot find is any info on self service intervals. With the pikes i dropped the lowers every 50 - 80 hours of riding and cleaned and re-lubed.

    Any info would be gratefully received,

    thanks
    About every 100-ish hours of riding is our standard service interval. Generally twice a year for the average rider is fine though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larry08 View Post
    Will the 35mm enduro fork seal kit (sold by RWC) for the 55 work with the 350? Also, is molykote 33 an acceptable alternative to the 55? All I have is 33 at the moment.
    I can't say if the RWC seals will work or not, I don't have any experience with them. If they are designed for our forks then they should be fine.

    as far as the Molykote, don't use anything but the one specific for O-rings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Any new developments regarding the dropper post? Excited to learn more!
    we are shooting for Sea otter time for release. Don't quote me on that though as we may push it to early summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subydoo View Post
    Hey All,

    Recently ordered a Yeti SB6C frame and now need a fork to fit it!!

    I am down to the new fox 36 and the 350 NCR, the only non Zoke I have ever ridden is my current 2011 36 fork going back to the mid 90's. I really want the NCR, convince me its the one!

    Only thing that bugs me on the NCR is that handlebar remote, I see that as silly for a 160 fork, I would not mount that thing. Can I get my hands on the replacement knobs? There is a video posted by Marzocchi that just showed up on youtube showing how to replace, easy enough, but where do I get the parts? Better yet, can I order the fork with the non-remote version?

    Pretty excited to see the quality on the Zokes is back, really want the Zoke, but have tested the new 36 and its pretty nice too. Anyone have any bad experience with the new 36?

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    only the NCR Air has the remote but it also comes with the lever replacement parts in the box to swap it out. I'm not a fan of extra levers myself so we all made a point to have that as an option (for the US at least)
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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbum1 View Post
    The Pinkbike preview made a comment on there being a remote option for the 053 S3C2R. Any ideas if this will be an aftermarket option or whether there will be remote specific shocks that are not reversible?


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    I haven't seen a remote option for the 053 yet so I can not confirm nor deny it exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangtime View Post
    How has the axel on the new forks been working out. I had problems with it on my last 55 (2012 micro Ti) and it looks like they are using the same system. I'd love to get back to a Zoke again.
    I haven't seen any issues with the axle system. the older ones with the hook clip dealy are gone and the new ones work just like a standard QR. If any issues come up with it within 2-years it will be warrantied though.
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    I've had a couple of rides on my 350 CR now, I love it. Coming from a Revelation RTL ti the Marz is incredibly stiff and supportive under low speed movements, when sprinting it stays high in the travel and is very supportive during cornering. It's got me looking at upgrading the rear shock now.

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    Why did Marzocchi decide to go with less offset on the 350 compared to other manufacturers? At 40mm offset on the 350, that is less than any 27.5 fork that I'm aware of and less than Marzocchi's own 26" forks(55cr @ 44mm). Seems backwards to me. Can someone help me why Marz seems to have gone a different direction with offset than the norm, which is to increase offset as wheel size increases? I''m trying to decide between the value of the 350cr compared to the established Pike as my fork on a Transition Scout build. I was leaning towards the 350 due to my experience with the 55 CR, and cost, but when I seen the offset I was a bit unsure. Thanks for any info

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMSmitty View Post
    Why did Marzocchi decide to go with less offset on the 350 compared to other manufacturers? At 40mm offset on the 350, that is less than any 27.5 fork that I'm aware of and less than Marzocchi's own 26" forks(55cr @ 44mm). Seems backwards to me. Can someone help me why Marz seems to have gone a different direction with offset than the norm, which is to increase offset as wheel size increases?
    +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMSmitty View Post
    Why did Marzocchi decide to go with less offset on the 350 compared to other manufacturers? At 40mm offset on the 350, that is less than any 27.5 fork that I'm aware of and less than Marzocchi's own 26" forks(55cr @ 44mm). Seems backwards to me. Can someone help me why Marz seems to have gone a different direction with offset than the norm, which is to increase offset as wheel size increases? I''m trying to decide between the value of the 350cr compared to the established Pike as my fork on a Transition Scout build. I was leaning towards the 350 due to my experience with the 55 CR, and cost, but when I seen the offset I was a bit unsure. Thanks for any info
    Just a thought, possibly to keep the wheel base shorter? Similar to the 26 inch wheeled bikes we are used to riding.

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    Any reviews or rider feedback from the 350 NCR Ti? I'm still a coil kind of guy and would like to know if coil forks are progressing at all. Air has progressed amazingly well in the last few years but towards the end of a long DH run they tend to spike or stiffen up a bit.
    2150 grams for a coil fork is insane! A little bit more than 300 grams over the pike but it's a coil!! Remember when a fork under 3,000 grams was a light weight? Yeah all the waaaay back to 2012. Old school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    +1
    same question here.
    the pike is 42 mm so not much difference at 40 mm and with larger wheels your suppose to bring the offset in anyways to keep the rake/trail in check

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silliker269 View Post
    the pike is 42 mm so not much difference at 40 mm and with larger wheels your suppose to bring the offset in anyways to keep the rake/trail in check
    not really, with larger wheels you're actually supposed to build more offset in your fork to keep the trail in check.

    I agree that 40mm is not too different from Rock Shock's 42mm offset, but I'm surprised that Marzocchi went down to 40mm coming from the 44mm offset of its 26 inch 55 fork, when - as said - the increased wheel diameter would call for increased fork offset as well.

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    Yeah your right savo my bad, that is strange why they went the other way

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    Perhaps they wanted to focus on hard hitting and high speed stability. Therefore, stiff fork with a bit more trail being a bit more suitable for the often rough Italian/Alpine terrain?
    Last edited by CS645; 01-14-2015 at 02:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silliker269 View Post
    Yeah your right savo my bad, that is strange why they went the other way
    I'm not sure either. I asked and was told that is what it needed to be. I think it had to do with some of the bikes our engineers were working with. We have always been known for doing our own thing though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMSmitty View Post
    Why did Marzocchi decide to go with less offset on the 350 compared to other manufacturers? At 40mm offset on the 350, that is less than any 27.5 fork that I'm aware of and less than Marzocchi's own 26" forks(55cr @ 44mm). Seems backwards to me. Can someone help me why Marz seems to have gone a different direction with offset than the norm, which is to increase offset as wheel size increases? I''m trying to decide between the value of the 350cr compared to the established Pike as my fork on a Transition Scout build. I was leaning towards the 350 due to my experience with the 55 CR, and cost, but when I seen the offset I was a bit unsure. Thanks for any info
    Pike has 42mm offset and 552mm axle to crown. On the other hand 350 ncr has 40mm offset and 557mm axle to crown. Maybe Marzocchi by reducing the offset of the fork tries not to change the geometry of a bike(make it slacker).

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    Quote Originally Posted by looperx View Post
    Pike has 42mm offset and 552mm axle to crown. On the other hand 350 ncr has 40mm offset and 557mm axle to crown. Maybe Marzocchi by reducing the offset of the fork tries not to change the geometry of a bike(make it slacker).
    I'll send this question to our engineering staff and see what they have to say about it and report back when I hear back

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    Quote Originally Posted by looperx View Post
    Pike has 42mm offset and 552mm axle to crown. On the other hand 350 ncr has 40mm offset and 557mm axle to crown. Maybe Marzocchi by reducing the offset of the fork tries not to change the geometry of a bike(make it slacker).
    I believe it would go the other way to maintain the same trail number. The higher axle to crown on the 350 would make for a slacker head angle, which would need a higher offset to keep the same trail figure as the lower, steeper head angle Pike.

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    A little late to the party but I've just ordered some 2014 350CR's and must admit the amount of support & info on this thread deffinately swayed me. Not owned any Marzocchis since my Z1 BAMs & even those were still plenty plush until I sold them last year. Really looking forward to getting my hands on the 350's as I'll be coming from a fox 32 :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by feville View Post
    A little late to the party but I've just ordered some 2014 350CR's and must admit the amount of support & info on this thread deffinately swayed me. Not owned any Marzocchis since my Z1 BAMs & even those were still plenty plush until I sold them last year. Really looking forward to getting my hands on the 350's as I'll be coming from a fox 32 :-)
    cool deal @Feville, thanks for the props. I am trying for sure to get the word out and assist where/when needed.

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    Been looking for reviews of the NCR Ti but nothing out there. I want to know people's comparisons between the NCR/NCR Ti and the Fox 36. I currently have a Pike that is alright but I'm not in love with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rehammer81 View Post
    Been looking for reviews of the NCR Ti but nothing out there. I want to know people's comparisons between the NCR/NCR Ti and the Fox 36. I currently have a Pike that is alright but I'm not in love with it.
    I haven't seen any head to head comparisons yet. I'd love to though. I've only seen some reviews by rideio.com and enduro-mag.com
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    Hey guys, just tried to drop the lowers on my 350 CR's after reading in this thread about them being low on oil. Firstly this is spot on as there wasn't even a tea spoon of oil in the air side, however, when I went to undo the bolt on the damper side it promptly rounded off. Thinking to myself that I couldn't be arsed to return them I tried to tap in a 5.5 mm allen key instead and the alloy split.
    Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the assembly to see which part I need as I very much doubt warranty will be honoured after my actions.

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    Whatever material they use for the damper side foot nut is utter crap - I had the same thing happen with mine. You just have to be extra careful about making sure the allen is FULLY inserted into the footnut before you put any pressure on it.

    You can find some more detail earlier in this thread, but I would send the fork to Marz - they have excellent service and totally took care of me. They did not charge for replacing the footnut and also checked oil levels and installed a travel spacer at no cost. My only payment was the $20 for shipping to them.
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    Thanks for the answer, I think that's what I'll do, hopefully I get the same great service you got in the States.

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    Here's a pic of the 350CR on my Giant Trance.

    So first ride impressions were very good, the fork has completely transformed the bike (prob not that hard coming from a Fox 32) it still climbs well (i put up with the climbs to enjoy the downs) being a 160mm rather than stock 140mm but point it down hill and it inspires so much confidence. Really pleased with the way it sits up in its travel, tracks the ground and just does everything i wanted it to.

    Kudos to Marzocchi

    Is this low oil level a pretty common issue?
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    Nice! I just fit my 350CR as well but WILL be lowering it to 150mm (140 was stock)...Just want to avoid too high a BB and messing with the geo too much. I did contact Marz (I live 10 minutes from them USA) and they have no plans making a shock to fit the Kona Process line, it is a proprietary setup. Bummer, looks like a DBInline for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithrider View Post
    I believe it would go the other way to maintain the same trail number. The higher axle to crown on the 350 would make for a slacker head angle, which would need a higher offset to keep the same trail figure as the lower, steeper head angle Pike.
    You are right. So if i put a 350 NCR on my bike, it will become slacker with more trail in comparison with a pike....
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    Which meauserments do the required shims for the 053 shock have and will they be available at the same time as the shock is released?
    Or are those shims available at a MX Shop?

    Because I read the motoc2r has a bit too soft shimstack especcially referring to the midvalving for heavier riders around the 90 Kilos as a standard shimstack of course cannot cover every common riders weight and riding style. Besides I´ll perhaps have to tune the shock for my bikes leverage ratio anyway.
    Anyway looking forward to getting this shock mounted in my beloved machine :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brake-neck View Post
    Hey guys, just tried to drop the lowers on my 350 CR's after reading in this thread about them being low on oil. Firstly this is spot on as there wasn't even a tea spoon of oil in the air side, however, when I went to undo the bolt on the damper side it promptly rounded off. Thinking to myself that I couldn't be arsed to return them I tried to tap in a 5.5 mm allen key instead and the alloy split.
    Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the assembly to see which part I need as I very much doubt warranty will be honoured after my actions.
    I hate to say it but you are a little boned there. The nuts are interference fitted and should only be removed by a service center. there shouldn't be any oil inside the air chamber anyway, maybe only a touch for lubrication (aprox 20cc).

    We have had a few forks come in that got boogered up by people trying to take them apart so just be honest with your service center and hopefully they will offer leniency with you
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    Quote Originally Posted by bansaiman View Post
    Which meauserments do the required shims for the 053 shock have and will they be available at the same time as the shock is released?
    Or are those shims available at a MX Shop?

    Because I read the motoc2r has a bit too soft shimstack especcially referring to the midvalving for heavier riders around the 90 Kilos as a standard shimstack of course cannot cover every common riders weight and riding style. Besides I´ll perhaps have to tune the shock for my bikes leverage ratio anyway.
    Anyway looking forward to getting this shock mounted in my beloved machine :-)
    I haven't heard here in the US about that yet. Our engineers are coming over at the end of the month to give us the full rundown on them however. Feel free to email us after the 29th with the same question: [email protected]

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    The guys that have replaced seals with SKF's. Did you replace both dust & oil seals. If so how easy is it to seat the oil seals?

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    To MarzocchiUSA :

    Any idea of when the 053 shocks will be released in Canada? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by guim View Post
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    Any idea of when the 053 shocks will be released in Canada? Thanks!
    sometime in April-May I'm told. Canada will get them when the US gets them, all the Canada stock is shipped from here in the US.
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    Cool, thanks! Right on time for when the riding season starts here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marzocchi_USA View Post
    sometime in April-May I'm told. Canada will get them when the US gets them, all the Canada stock is shipped from here in the US.

    Do you have detailed pics of the 053 damping unit? Cannot find any on the internet.would be nice to compare.
    Is there a proper midvalving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bansaiman View Post
    Do you have detailed pics of the 053 damping unit? Cannot find any on the internet.would be nice to compare.
    Is there a proper midvalving?
    I have a PDF of it. the shock is essentially our Moto but as an air sprung unit.
    email me at [email protected] and I can send you the PDF
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