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    Good job! List of 27.5 Compatible 26ers

    From my personal findings and other's. This list ill also be on my blog if y'all haven't been to it yet: http://650bpalace.blogspot.com also found at www.650Bpalace.com


    Surly 1x1, no confirmation but I'm sure the Pugsley would work too.
    VooDoo Bokor (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Wanga (newer with sliders)
    Soul Cycles Titan
    Ibex Atlas
    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Specialized Myka
    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Gunnar Ruffian (older with horizontal dropouts)
    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Scott Spark 30
    Marin Rift Zone
    Kona Unit (with sliders)
    Ventana El Chamuco
    Azonic Revenge
    Specialized Enduro Elite (checked on 2007 model)


    If I missed something that someone has confirmed, please add it!!!
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    Surly Instigator and Salsa Ala Carte

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    Shiggy has a 08 Ala Carte, I forgot!! Thanks! I had my speculation of the Instigator, but haven't found one to try a fit!

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    fisty has a cannondale taurine that is 650b'd

    i am thinking of the same frame with a lefty carbon (he has a fox fork).

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    I checked a Cannondale F3 the Neo-Moto fit, but not by much at the SS bridge.. I specifically remember Fisty saying " It works for the most part" with his CS bridge clearance being approx 7mm I'd worry about stuff jamming in there. Even a small lump of leaves. I think his goal was to have a 650B bike ready when the smaller tires hit the market! I digress, YES Fisty was able to fit a 2.3x27.5" tire into a Cannondale Taurine!
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    I am curious about a 26er On One Inbred either the older style with sliders or the newer style with the horizontal dropouts.

    I'd guess that an Evil Sovereign would work as well since it almost fit a 29er - maybe an Evil DOC as well.

    Just my hunches.

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    fine list....

    but where are the FS bikes? hardtails are made for 29er wheels, 650b is made for FS bikes IMO. anyone gonna experiment with some more FS bikes?

    FWIW my balfa belair will take a 650b by the numbers, real life testing will have to wait for some cash. rocky element will not take a 2.3 (by measurement), if some smaller tires are made it would be close. my balfa 2step will easily take a 650b as it clears 2.7 DH tires with no issues.
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    Demo Program?

    CHT,

    You guys want to sponsor a 650B demo wheel program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    fine list....

    but where are the FS bikes? hardtails are made for 29er wheels, 650b is made for FS bikes IMO. anyone gonna experiment with some more FS bikes?

    FWIW my balfa belair will take a 650b by the numbers, real life testing will have to wait for some cash. rocky element will not take a 2.3 (by measurement), if some smaller tires are made it would be close. my balfa 2step will easily take a 650b as it clears 2.7 DH tires with no issues.
    I'm mighty tempted to buy a 2Step and say a Nixon and have at it - but at the moment I don't have the extra cash to do it.

    ferday - you gotta give it a go somehow with that Belair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    CHT,

    You guys want to sponsor a 650B demo wheel program?
    That would kick ass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I'm mighty tempted to buy a 2Step and say a Nixon and have at it - but at the moment I don't have the extra cash to do it.

    ferday - you gotta give it a go somehow with that Belair!
    you aren't kidding MMcG!

    after this winter of burning the credit card, my wife finally put her foot down. hopefully sometime this season i'll get a hold of some 650b wheels and resurrect the belair.

    and stop being tempted, and just get a 2step already
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    Demo Wheels? Great idea. The Palace will look into it. I think a few more companies need to be on point, too. But, this would be a great starting point! Thanks for the idea, Kirk.

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    I could give some feedback on some wheels!

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    Here's a look at a Belair - like ferday mentions:



    I wonder if the tire would hit that brace though?

    And here's a look at a 2Step as well:



    again - would the Neomoto rub on that brace?

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    MMcG does the Neo-Moto fit in the Physlo? I was checkin on the older Duke, and it may fit in that too....

    FS bikes on the list above:
    Ibex Atlas
    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Scott Spark 30
    Marin Rift Zone
    Ventana El Chamuco
    Azonic Revenge
    Specialized Enduro Elite

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    The Pugsly should work. Mine is set up as a 29er and works great.

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    All Mix'd Upper

    I just took my yeti 575 out today with a Neo-Moto up front on my 2007 Fox Talas 32 and it worked wonderfully. Really seemed to calm down the front end. It tracked very well and just rolled over rocks with ease when my 26" would feel nervous and bounce off rocks unexpectedly at times. I ran the fork at 120mm of travel and it felt just right. One unexpected thing was out of the saddle climbs felt more natural like I was on my XC bike. Found myself really pushing the speed and leaning into turns more with confidence. The down side was my rear 650B wheel definitely will not fit the Yeti. It fit at the center of the tire but just rubbed slightly at the points where the chain stays swoop in to give chainring clearance. I took some pics to share. I call this bike the All Mix'd Upper!
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    hows the BB height on that Pugsley??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterat Pat
    It fit at the center of the tire but just rubbed slightly at the points where the chain stays swoop in to give chainring clearance.
    You can always trim the side knobs or just bash the chainstays apart with a big hammer.















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    I forgot the KONA Coiler Series, (2007+) will handle the Neo-Moto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Shiggy has a 08 Ala Carte, I forgot!! Thanks! I had my speculation of the Instigator, but haven't found one to try a fit!
    Pic of my Salsa. It is as if it was made for 650B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    hardtails are made for 29er wheels, 650b is made for FS bikes .
    While I do agree the 650b is going to make full suspension bikes absolutely magical....I am not going to discount the legitity of the 650b mtb in a hardtail format. I have neo-motos in my Surly 1x1; rigid fork and all and the bike rides like a dream now. It still has that flickable bmx feel to it while still rolling much like a 29er. It's the reason why I am so pumped for a full sus in the 650b format.

    btw-Nice Ala Carte Shiggy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by madnessmoose
    While I do agree the 650b is going to make full suspension bikes absolutely magical....I am not going to discount the legitity of the 650b mtb in a hardtail format. I have neo-motos in my Surly 1x1; rigid fork and all and the bike rides like a dream now. It still has that flickable bmx feel to it while still rolling much like a 29er. It's the reason why I am so pumped for a full sus in the 650b format.

    btw-Nice Ala Carte Shiggy!
    I could be mistaken, but isn't Haro working on at least 1 650b FS?

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    Anybody try the Banshee Pyre. It looks like it has loads of mud clearance and with a 12.9" BB with 26" tires the 650B won't raise it up too high.

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    CH - I don't know if a 650b will fit in a Psylo. I no longer have that Belair or that fork.

    And right now - I only have the Carver Bumblebee and that features only a rear 650b wheel.

    I need a front wheel.

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    can 650b on a soul cycles hooligan?

    can i put on a 650b wheel/tire on my soul cycles hooligan?

    i built up my soul cycles hooligan last spring (took advantage of the 69 dollars clearance cost of the frame due to blemish paint work - what blemish? its hardly noticeable! its set up as a singlespeed (32x18 - considering 34x18 this year) with manitou minute 2 100m suspension fork.

    the hooligan has become my main ride!!!! prior to that i rode my full sus 02 santa cruz bullit. the bullit is overkill for singletrack riding in the DC metro area... i used to live in the bay area out in california where the bullit is definitely at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Pic of my Salsa. It is as if it was made for 650B.
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    Shiggy,

    NICE!

    DId Velocity get you fixed up?

    I would really like to hear your impressions of the wheel size and tire performance; good, bad or ugly. It would be good if you were able to comment on the wheel size and tire performance (tread) independent of one another if possible.

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    Compared to my Rush it's great. The bike rides really well as a 29'er. I never have any problem with pedal strikes. I ride some fairly technical trails.

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    Tire clearance is one thing and BB height is another.

    Just because tires fit into a frame, doesn't mean it's going to ride properly at all. BB height changes can alter a bikes handling dramatically. 3/4" is a huge change in height. This can make an already high bike next to unusable for real riding. I really doubt that most of these bikes have been improved in anyway by this change. Rather, I am sure that most of them have been ruined. Personal testimony is usually hopeful at best.

    Make sure to note the heights that these bikes end up at so that an honest assesment of the value of this wheel change can be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Tire clearance is one thing and BB height is another.

    Just because tires fit into a frame, doesn't mean it's going to ride properly at all. BB height changes can alter a bikes handling dramatically. 3/4" is a huge change in height. This can make an already high bike next to unusable for real riding. I really doubt that most of these bikes have been improved in anyway by this change. Rather, I am sure that most of them have been ruined. Personal testimony is usually hopeful at best.

    Make sure to note the heights that these bikes end up at so that an honest assesment of the value of this wheel change can be made.
    Have you ever thought that some people might actually be trying to raise their bb a bit through the use of these wheels.

    For example - a regular Surly 1x1 around these parts where I ride = pedal strike city. I would bet that the ride on a Surly 1x1 with 650b tires would be way more enjoyable around the trails I frequent than it would be in 26" guise.

    Try having an open mind every now and again pvd - you just might like living life with that kind of outlook.

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    Just pointing out the important detail that doesn't seem to get disscussed much.

    If your bike was too low and this helps, then that's great. It's just that not all bikes are too low to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark33
    can i put on a 650b wheel/tire on my soul cycles hooligan?

    i built up my soul cycles hooligan last spring (took advantage of the 69 dollars clearance cost of the frame due to blemish paint work - what blemish? its hardly noticeable! its set up as a singlespeed (32x18 - considering 34x18 this year) with manitou minute 2 100m suspension fork.

    the hooligan has become my main ride!!!! prior to that i rode my full sus 02 santa cruz bullit. the bullit is overkill for singletrack riding in the DC metro area... i used to live in the bay area out in california where the bullit is definitely at home.

    markymark
    Chad at Soul THINKs the 1st GEN Hooligan would work, but theres no way to tell until you try. I'm thinking about getting a 08, GEN 2 Hooligan to test out. I like this because it has the EBB which can be set at it's lowest point so the BB doesn't raise up so much with the wheel size difference. Also, the GEN2 has a geared option. I'll play with my VooDoo Bokor for now, then move onto the Hooligan. As for the Minute 2:00 thatsa no-go for B'rs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Just pointing out the important detail that doesn't seem to get disscussed much.

    If your bike was too low and this helps, then that's great. It's just that not all bikes are too low to start.

    PVD you've brought up a great point. I've been searchin for frames that can FIT the 650B, and measured a few BB heights. Until there is a 650B purpose built frame this is what, we as an industry, has to work with. I've read your WIKI site and featured a link to your 650B bike on my Blog. Hows your test bike riding?
    I really appreciate your ideas and feedback, though some would disagree.
    Thanks!

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    the bike works great!

    I am going back to 26" though. Riding a Fox fork is just lame after being on the RS Dual Air (revelation, not 650b compatable), and the lack of tubeless and tire choice totally blows for 650b.

    I will set the bike up as a leggy single speed while I wait for better forks and tires to come out for the wheel size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Tire clearance is one thing and BB height is another.

    Just because tires fit into a frame, doesn't mean it's going to ride properly at all. BB height changes can alter a bikes handling dramatically. 3/4" is a huge change in height. This can make an already high bike next to unusable for real riding. I really doubt that most of these bikes have been improved in anyway by this change. Rather, I am sure that most of them have been ruined. Personal testimony is usually hopeful at best.

    Make sure to note the heights that these bikes end up at so that an honest assesment of the value of this wheel change can be made.
    Only raises a 26" bike ~1/2". 650B rims are 25mm larger than 26". I find most production frame to have too low a BB and +12mm gets them to the almost high enough range.
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    I find that most bikes have too high of a bb. The lower the bb the better the bike handles (in general). If you hit pedal once or twice on surface on a ride, you are probably in the right range. Hitting some rocks that you should have planned for doesn't count. If you live in areas that have an extremely large amount of rocky riding, then this metric may be different although I've lived in the north east, four corners, and california and I have not seen any area that has to large of a percentage of terrain that messes with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    I find that most bikes have too high of a bb. The lower the bb the better the bike handles (in general). If you hit pedal once or twice on surface on a ride, you are probably in the right range. Hitting some rocks that you should have planned for doesn't count. If you live in areas that have an extremely large amount of rocky riding, then this metric may be different although I've lived in the north east, four corners, and california and I have not seen any area that has to large of a percentage of terrain that messes with this.
    I MUCH prefer the handling of a bike with a high BB (12.5-13.25"). 12" is about as low as I find acceptable. Granted, I use 182-185mm cranks on most of my bikes but even allowing for that, the BB is higher than the norm and the crank length does not matter with the pedals level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    the bike works great!

    I am going back to 26" though. Riding a Fox fork is just lame after being on the RS Dual Air (revelation, not 650b compatable), and the lack of tubeless and tire choice totally blows for 650b.

    I will set the bike up as a leggy single speed while I wait for better forks and tires to come out for the wheel size.
    I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the NeoMoto as a tubeless candidate. Even as a non-UST tire, it is working out just fine on the front of a Nomad at the moment. I've got a full 10 rides on this setup in horrendously rocky terrain that eats lesser tires with sidewall cuts and rock punctures. The traction, surefootedness, and durability of this tire appear to be more than adequate...in fact, on par with some of the best tires I've run.

    I will agree with you on the dual air Rev being an excellent fork. For a 3.75lb., 130mm, QR fork, it's one of the best. I have one on a light weight trail Bullit...love it.

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    I'm working on a brodie expresso 67'er and want to know if a 29'er fork( fox rlc)80-100mm will work best or a 26'er fork(fox rlc) mostly for tire clearance @ the brace...with a 2.35" 650b Pacenti neo moto. Any input is appreciated...I'm really close to getting this project under way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Only raises a 26" bike ~1/2". 650B rims are 25mm larger than 26". I find most production frame to have too low a BB and +12mm gets them to the almost high enough range.
    Shiggy, don't you use 185mm cranks?

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    One has to keep bb height within reason but I can't say that there is a correct bottom bracket height for mtb's. Not every rider likes 29" wheels or single speeding or full sus or 27 gears or carbon hardtails with 80mm of travel. The same goes for bottom bracket heights. Some riders, depending on one's riding style and the terrain their riding on might like and 11.5" bottom bracket height whilst his riding buddy might be better suited to have a 13.5" bottom bracket height. Use your best judgement. I think it's also silly to say that a bike is going to be impossible to ride after slackening the headtube angle and raising the bottom bracket height of a bike(exactly what happens when you put a 650b tire up front). Isn't that what adjustable travel forks do to a bike too(yes)? It can't be any worse to tuck 650b's into a bike that it is to tuck a fork that's adjustable from 85-115mm of travel or 100-130mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madnessmoose
    One has to keep bb height within reason but I can't say that there is a correct bottom bracket height for mtb's. Not every rider likes 29" wheels or single speeding or full sus or 27 gears or carbon hardtails with 80mm of travel. The same goes for bottom bracket heights. Some riders, depending on one's riding style and the terrain their riding on might like and 11.5" bottom bracket height whilst his riding buddy might be better suited to have a 13.5" bottom bracket height........It can't be any worse to tuck 650b's into a bike that it is to tuck a fork that's adjustable from 85-115mm of travel or 100-130mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
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    You guys want to sponsor a 650B demo wheel program?
    Kirk:
    I'm stepping in here a little late... or "latte"... as we say in the PNW. But I would be interested in participating in a 650b demo program... I am also willing to participate in the cost of the wheels that I would use... or just pay for them... I don't know exactly what you are looking for here.

    I am looking to build a 650b bike or a 69er style with a 650b up front. I currently ride a Kula 2-9... and have liked it so well that I have sold all of my other current mtb's (3). I am very interested in putting together a 650b hardtail bike ... using a new frame hopefully a 26er frame ... in a monster cross fashion to start with... I like the midge bars and currently use them on my tandem and my cyclocross bike - so I have ridden them offroad and know for certain that they are superior to road drop bars offroad - I also find that being a bit shorter than Shiggy - me at 5'7" - I don't seem to need the same amount of rise to make them work for me in a normal and comfortable position assuming I size the frame right -- one other issue not addressed by Shiggy on his site - which is not insignificant for those of us somewhat aging bikers, is that the midge style offroad drop bar has a natural hand/wrist angle, at every position, that does not exist on either a normal riser, flat or road drop bar - ergo no more sore wrists and hands from the pounding they take particularly offroad and on longer rides(tandem) where hand and wrist relief is harder to find.

    My goddness!! I didn't mean to write a book... I just wanted to let you know that I would be very happy to give you some input and very pleased to participate in any format with a 650b wheel demo experiment. I have about 25 years of riding experience on everything from a fully rigid race bike to a 7" dually... and am a pretty damn good XC rider and home mechanic -- Lemeno....

    You can pm me and I will email you ... if you desire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Shiggy, don't you use 185mm cranks?
    Yes, and my preferred BB height is 13". Basically a 12.6" BB if using 175mm cranks. Most production frames are 12" or under.

    But there is more to the high BB than compensating for the crank length. I like how the bike rides with the pedals level (where crank length has little affect).
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    my rear wheel got finished today and we tried it on a few different bikes in the shop to see if they fit.

    sliding drop out chameleon - with the wheel as far back as possible, it was very tight at the front of the chainstays. Might be better with the smaller xc tires coming along, but not ridable with a neo in my opinion.

    07 sc superlight hit seatstay bracket, which is removeable, but very tight up front. any wheel flex and it would rub the chainstays.

    08 stumpjumper/rockhopper/epic ht no way, hit everywhere...

    08 spec fsr wheel fit tight but looked like it would work. Once the front wheel is done, we are going to put the wheelset on it and give it a shot. would be better with a 1.9/2.0 tire that it was spec'd with.

    when i get some more time later this week i am going to take my camera down and take some pics and try more bikes. Guess my carbon stumpy wouldn't have worked anyway. Now i have to wait for Sycip to finish my Diesel...

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    How about a 2005 (series 4?) Santa Cruz Heckler? Assuming a shock can be changed to limit travel, how's the NeoMoto clearance in back?
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    The Heckler has been on everyone's Want List for the 650B conversion. Kirk Pacenti ( maker of the Neo-Moto) looked into this, but there is currently no shock READILY available in the proper stroke/e2e length. I guess a RS rear shock has the potential to be adjusted to suite the needs of a Heckler-B, but it hasn't been done yet. NO ONE KNOWS.
    What shock do you have on your bike, now?

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    I don't have the '05 Heckler, I just figured that they cost less than the newest version, and that could be a cost effective (cheaper) way to go, providing the tire fits, etc.
    Perhaps there are some past Heckler variants which have rear shock/travel specs that will work with the NeoMoto?

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    I'll be getting the new Heckler in a few weeks. After discussions with Kirk, I'm definitely putting the 650B/NeoMoto/Fox Talas 32 on the front. As posted above, the trick is the rear, I first want to try a lower profile tire (if I can find something available) on a 650B rim and then as a last resort, rear shock modifiactions.

    I'll post pics and let everyone know how it goes.

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    Our Carver 96er, both the Aluminum and the Ti fit a 650 B rear wheel well. With the eccentric BB we've been able to fine tube the BB height as well. We've also had great luck using the X Fusion Velvet R fork, because it accepts 650B wheels (legally, too!) and is travel adjustable fron 80 to 130 mm. The adjustment of the fork let's us set it up with all of the following configurations, with virtually the same BB height and head angles.......

    1. 96er

    Nothing new there, I guess. EBB set high or low. 26" rear, 29" front with an 80 mm Reba 29. Still my favorite.


    2. Bumble Bee

    650B rear with the EBB set up at the lower position, 29er front with a Reba 29 100 mm or Fox F99. Pretty cool. A little bit heavier and slower than the 96er, but killer traction with the NeoMotos and really comfy.

    3. Killer Bee

    650B rear, the EBB in the lower position. 650B front with an X Fusion Velvet set at 120 mm. We've also run a Reba 29 at 100 mm, That works well if you like a quicker front end...about a 71.5 degree head angle.

    4. HoneyBee

    26" rear with the EBB set high or low, 650B front wheel with an Reba 29 set a 100 mm or an X Fusion Velvet set at 110mm. Also a great option for a shorter rider, as the smaller (than a 29er) front wheel helps with top tube and toe overlap issues.


    4 different bikes with one frame, two forks, and 4 wheels. A little confusing until you noodle it out..

    I'll post some pictures if I get a chance....

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    Very Cool, Davis! Thanks for running with scissors and trying so many options with the 650B!

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    It is a cheap/nono popular Kenesis frame but I have been impressed with the Leader bikes on ebay. Good angles and lots of room in the rear plus slightly long 17" stays. From my initial research looks like a 650b would fit great with plenty of room... These are $150 frames....

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    so on that 07 enduro elite, that cant be with the stock fork. and if the specialized myka(womens rockhopper) fits 650b then does the rockhopper?

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    The Elite used a Fox, which can fit a 650B Neo Moto.
    As for the Rockhopper, I didn't check it. Perhaps I'll swing by the shop and check!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    The Elite used a Fox, which can fit a 650B Neo Moto.
    As for the Rockhopper, I didn't check it. Perhaps I'll swing by the shop and check!

    oh gotcha, i was thinking the SL, not the regular Enduro, so i guess my 06 expert would work. maybe ill build up a set and play around with it.

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    Just got my Sun Charger 650b wheels today. Tried to fit them with Pacenti Neo Moto 2.3 into a 2007 Trek Fuel EX9.0

    Nope.

    The Ventana 650b rear assembly should be here mid March so it looks like I'll be building a 5" 650b very soon.
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    2008 Superlight Action

    Hi All,
    I wentt down to a local bike store that stocks new superlights to see if the rear wheel would fit. It did but with a 2.35" Neo-Moto the chainstays cleared on the sides by only 1/4-3/8" with my calibrated eyeball. Took some pics and if you take a look at the O-ring on the shock you can see right where the Neo-Moto hits the front derailleur cable guide on the seat tube when the suspension is compressed. The second pic shows it hitting. This setup could work if there was maybe a 2.0 650B tire coupled with some way to limit the travel so it would not hit the cable guide. All I can say is bummer for now!
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    I have a barely used 2004 Specialized Enduro Comp with a Fox Float RLC on it...would 650b be a viable option...It is a great bike and would renew my enthusiasm for riding it

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    I have a barely used 2004 Specialized Enduro Comp with a Fox Float RLC on it...would 650b be a viable option...It is a great bike and would renew my enthusiasm for riding it
    I have a couple of friends with Enduros from this era - and I have a 650b rear wheel - let me see what I can find out.

    If it doesn't fit - that frame is still a great candidate for a FS 69er set up.

    See here for an example!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I have a couple of friends with Enduros from this era - and I have a 650b rear wheel - let me see what I can find out.

    If it doesn't fit - that frame is still a great candidate for a FS 69er set up.

    See here for an example!

    That thing looks sweet...How did the 29er front affect geometry and what did you do to compensate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    That thing looks sweet...How did the 29er front affect geometry and what did you do to compensate?
    Not my bike - but the front is set at 80mm and the owner manipulated the bb.height/head tube angle settings via the rear end so that it would ride nicely. That's the cool thing about those Enduros - the ability to adjust things a bit with the rear linkage.

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    2008 Heckler Works!

    Been trying numerous bikes and have found single pivot 26ers are definitely the best candidates for 650B conversion. Saw an earlier post saying the 2007 Heckler would not work with 650B so I was not going to even try it. Went to a cool bike shop near work called Sun bikes in Milpitas CA. These 2 Vietnamese guys do the wrenching there and know there stuff.
    I explained the whole 650B thing and why I wanted to find a frame. Well turns out Vietnam is a former French colony and the older guy used to ride 650B bikes in Vietnam. They got all excited about the idea and started trying frames. Blur LT no go. No suprise there. Next they pull a medium Heckler down and it fits easily. Great now we bleed the shock and fully compress the swingarm and it cleared with about a 1/2" to go to the front derailleur cable guide on the seat tube. I was stoked! I did not get to see if the front derailleur operation hit the tire so that needs to be checked and I wonder how much it will raise the BB but this has potential. Sorry no pics but maybe tomorrow I will go back with the camera.

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    News indeed!

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    I saw a nice 2006 Transition Preston FR on the classifieds - looked at the site and those frames had 17.3" chainstays - think those would be long enough? The Preston is a short travel FR type frame with either 4 or 5" of travel. Maybe if set up in the 4" travel position it'd work without any tire rub on the seat tube?

    Oh to be made of money to be able to test out all these possibilities, but alas - that's not my situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainemud
    Our Carver 96er, both the Aluminum and the Ti fit a 650 B rear wheel well. With the eccentric BB we've been able to fine tube the BB height as well. We've also had great luck using the X Fusion Velvet R fork, because it accepts 650B wheels (legally, too!) and is travel adjustable fron 80 to 130 mm. The adjustment of the fork let's us set it up with all of the following configurations, with virtually the same BB height and head angles.......

    1. 96er

    Nothing new there, I guess. EBB set high or low. 26" rear, 29" front with an 80 mm Reba 29. Still my favorite.


    2. Bumble Bee

    650B rear with the EBB set up at the lower position, 29er front with a Reba 29 100 mm or Fox F99. Pretty cool. A little bit heavier and slower than the 96er, but killer traction with the NeoMotos and really comfy.

    3. Killer Bee

    650B rear, the EBB in the lower position. 650B front with an X Fusion Velvet set at 120 mm. We've also run a Reba 29 at 100 mm, That works well if you like a quicker front end...about a 71.5 degree head angle.

    4. HoneyBee

    26" rear with the EBB set high or low, 650B front wheel with an Reba 29 set a 100 mm or an X Fusion Velvet set at 110mm. Also a great option for a shorter rider, as the smaller (than a 29er) front wheel helps with top tube and toe overlap issues.


    4 different bikes with one frame, two forks, and 4 wheels. A little confusing until you noodle it out..

    I'll post some pictures if I get a chance....

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    hey davis,

    whats the clearance like on the 96er with a 650b wheel in the back?

    trev

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockStarRacing
    hey davis,

    whats the clearance like on the 96er with a 650b wheel in the back?

    trev
    email me at [email protected] and I can show you a photo or two of the pics Davis sent me.

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    Good job!

    Thanks you Waterat, for actually checking out the 2008 Heckler / 650B. Let's hope the Fr Derailleur clears the tire, too. Show us the pics when you get 'em!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skunkwerkscycles
    I'd like to see a Sovereign done. Those bikes kick-a$$.....
    I would too!

    A buddy of mine was almost able to squeeze a 29er in back - so there would be room for a 650b.

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    I've been following this thread for sometime now just WAITING for someone to try a monocog (26). It seems like a perfect candidate with the sliding dropouts and such. I've run 2.4's on one with plenty off room to spare.

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    The only Monocog I can find around here are the 29 versions. I'm looking for them!

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    I think SBS discontinued the 26" flite model. There is still the standard 26" model available. Gonna be heavy, though.

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    2008 Heckler Photos w/650B

    Okay finally made it back to the bike shop inbetween rides. Weather has been awesome here in Cali. Went to a different shop that has built up Hecklers so I could see the derailleur clearance. The big issue I see with this frame is BB height. Its 13.5" with 26" wheels which means 650B wheels would raise it to 14.25". Man that's high its going to be one tall bike.
    I will let the pics tell the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterat Pat
    Okay finally made it back to the bike shop inbetween rides. Weather has been awesome here in Cali. Went to a different shop that has built up Hecklers so I could see the derailleur clearance. The big issue I see with this frame is BB height. Its 13.5" with 26" wheels which means 650B wheels would raise it to 14.25". Man that's high its going to be one tall bike.
    I will let the pics tell the story.
    That not that bad. The bottom bracket on my Motolite has crept up to just about that exact height after puting 2.3's and a PIKE on it. I like High BB's though...

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    That bb height is before sag correct? I bet it would be within reason with sag factored in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    That bb height is before sag correct? I bet it would be within reason with sag factored in.
    The 650b rim is only 1/2 inch bigger radius than a 26 rim.

    The Heckler should only go up to 14 inch BB max before sag, which should be just fine using 25% sag or more.

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    Anyone out there know if 650B will fit an inbred? Mine is geared so if you've tried it on a sliding drop out or horizontal drop out version it woudl be great to know if they work with the wheel slid all the way forward or if you had to slide the wheel back.

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    Forks for 650B

    Nice informative thread, how about a sticky with 26er forks that will fit a 650B?

    On a side note, the new Reba with Maxle light looks like it will be great for the bigger wheeled crowd. I wonder if it will fit a 650B? SRAM are you listening?
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    '06 Preston 650b rear? Maybe!

    EDITED POST:

    I don't have a 650b wheel and tire to try yet but IF that 702mm size posted for the Neo-Moto is correct I think I can squeeze one into my '06 Preston.

    I'll need to grind a big pile of aluminum filings off the seat stay hoop but it has plenty to spare.

    The seat tube and chain stays will clear a 27.5 easily once I minimize that seat stay hoop at the rocker connection.

    I bought a NOS '06 Nixon Super Air that others have had success running the 27.5 with.

    I may have the first Preston 650b Free Ride ever

    The next question: Stans or Velocity rims? Any other choices?
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    Good job! 27.5er Zen

    Things have been getting a bit stale on this thread so here is my latest 27.5er a Mountain Cycle Zen. Been on about 6 rides so far and it handles very well with the fork set at 100mm of travel. Tried 120mm but it felt best at 100mm for NorCal fire roads and trails at speed. I really like the lower BB with the Zen the bike leans quick to miss the nasties. We also have a lot of horses around here and one big difference from my 26er is running into hoofprints is much more comfortable. Very happy with this setup.
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    Bianchi steel single speeds might be 650B candidates...

    Another experiment with a borrowed 650B front wheel used for sizing purposes.

    With the wheels positioned at about the middle of the horizontal drops, clearance at the seat stay bridge is good, and at the chain stays it's acceptable...

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    Way to god Raynman, there are no Bianchi shops in my area s I haven't been able to chchcheck. Thanks!

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    You're welcome...

    ...nothing better to do on a way-soggy day in the mid-Atlantic.

    Also FYI, the BB-height of my 2004 (I think) S.A.S.S. is 12.5" with a Schwalbe 2.4" Nobby Nic rear / 2.35" King Jim front with a Rockshow Duke Race 80mm fork. I realize that going 26" -> 650B typically raises BB-height by 0.75"...but these tires are on larger-end of the 26" spectrum, so I'm guessing that BB-height would end up around 13.0" (guessing here).


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    To throw out another compatible discovery, the Rockshox Psylo 20mm tullio lowers are 14.25" from axle center to brace, which should allow 650Bs to fit fine.
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    Was the Psylo offered in a 140mm travel?

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    Nope, 125mm maximum... 80 to 125 to be precise... either adjustable with the all-travel spacers if you had the air-spring models (to 80, 100 or 125) or anywhere in that range in 3mm increments for the U-turn spring versions. I've got a Psylo Race with the gold colour and air spring and happened to measure it lastnight after checking the brace clearance on a Manitou Minute (which would be borderline for a 650B, the psylo had over a half inch of clearance though).
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    i guess we should throw the Spooky Darkside on the list...

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    AWESOME! Spooky is definitely on my list of future purchases! What did the BB height end up on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    CHT,

    You guys want to sponsor a 650B demo wheel program?
    Kirk, I'm keen to try a 650b on my 2006 Prophet w/ Lefty Max Carbon. What would be the best setup using a Lefty hub (Cannondale or Woodman) to rims and spokes? Does DT Swiss make 650b rims and spokes? I know the best tire is your Neo-Moto tire, though. Where is the best place to find the tires and all the other stuff in the US? I'm from Brazil, and will have a friend to look for it for me in his next trip. If you can send me private message for us to keep on this conversation, I'd be very thankful.

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    Oh and I dunno if this has been mentioned either but the swingarm on a Mountain Cycles San Andreas has 14" of tire radius room in it. So a Neo-Moto 2.3 should JUST fit. I'm planning to setup my San Andreas with my Psylo once I get some tires and build some wheels. So a 5"/5" 650B build. The San Andreas already has an over the top BB height anyway so what's another quarter inch or so.
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    ill concieved, DeeEight, ill concieved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    ill concieved, DeeEight, ill concieved!
    Exactly how is putting 650Bs in a frame and fork with the clearance for them, ill conceived ?!?
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    I'm jumping on the JuanServo bandwagon.
    C'mon, of all folks, do you believe I'd post that seriously??
    I'd love to see another 26FS fit a 650B, BRING IT.

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    what about the 2006 superlight? ive been lookin at wheel options and thinking a 96 er would be cool but i dont think the headtube can take the extra abuse. i have the fox f32 100mm fork and float r rear. i dont have the $$ right now to test. but if anyone is running the 650b setup or has the ability to test this out please do so and let me know.

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    Bin bred

    650 B in older geared inbred (05? the ones corrected for 80-100mm forks). Chainstays clear ok, seatstay about 3/16". Now I just need to make sure the fork will be OK
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    650b on Caffeine rear?

    Does anyone know if the 650b rear wheel works on the cannondale caffeine 26"? I read in the first few posts on this thread that it works on a taurine, but need confirmation before ordering the wheel set.

    Thanks!

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    Ima complete 650B noob, but...

    I read through the posts in this thread and most seem concerned w/ BB height and tire clearance.

    I'd sure like to put 650b's on a couple of my old 26er frames. Problem is, they have canti/V brake posts. Am I SOL or will most canti/V brake pads adjust upwards enough to accomodate the 650b rims? Experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMo
    I read through the posts in this thread and most seem concerned w/ BB height and tire clearance.

    I'd sure like to put 650b's on a couple of my old 26er frames. Problem is, they have canti/V brake posts. Am I SOL or will most canti/V brake pads adjust upwards enough to accomodate the 650b rims? Experience?
    http://www.paulcomp.com/motobmx.html

    Should work. I might run them on back with a WI ecc SS hub. Similar setup as on my 26" now, v back/disc front.

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    Add K2 Bike's Factory line-up to this list.

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    Min. CS Length for 650b Converstion

    Hoping to convert my 1996 IF Deluxe to a 650b. Does anyone know the minimum chainstay length that will work for a 650b conversion?

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    CH - got any new updates to the list???

    Can anyone confirm that a 650b really will work on a Surly Instigator???

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmettosolo
    Hoping to convert my 1996 IF Deluxe to a 650b. Does anyone know the minimum chainstay length that will work for a 650b conversion?
    You can't really go by just the CS length. The area you need the length, is also where you need the most tire clearance as well, as the current Neo tire is pretty wide. Additionally, it depends on the bridge, if they use one.

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    Anyone have a KHS DJ300 with the sliding dropouts? A DS frame that can handle a 650B? KHS riders are already using XFusion forks, they could have an easy 650B set-up for racing. think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselcruiserhead
    It is a cheap/nono popular Kenesis frame but I have been impressed with the Leader bikes on ebay. Good angles and lots of room in the rear plus slightly long 17" stays. From my initial research looks like a 650b would fit great with plenty of room... These are $150 frames....
    The guy thought I was crazy but I stopped him this weekend and took some pics. I of course didn't have a 650b handy but here are the stays, looks like it would fit just fine... Again this is the 516H Leader frame that is on ebay all the time for about $150... Made by Kenesis...
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    Tried a Neo Moto on a Velocity blunt into a BMC Team Elite 02 frame on the weekend. This frame has no chainstay brace, and oodles of 26 inch clearance. JUST fits the neo, but should be fine with anything narrower (tire height is fine), so should be great with a Quasi or any other 'normal' width 2/2.1 XC tire.

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    here's a pic of my geared 650b surly 1x1

    rides similar to a 29er...........

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    Sinister Ridge has been confirmed to fit the Neo-Moto!

    Thanks to SuspectDevice!

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    Anyone have an answer on this one?

    Quote Originally Posted by thunderbolt413
    Does anyone know if the 650b rear wheel works on the cannondale caffeine 26"? I read in the first few posts on this thread that it works on a taurine, but need confirmation before ordering the wheel set.

    Thanks!
    Looked real snug on the Taurine, does teh Caffeine have any add'l room?

    Thanks/A

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    Novarra Method Works

    Went testing FS bikes at lunch and found this one worked pretty darn well. Rei house brand is not to sexy but it did not hit at full compression and the front derailleur cleared nicely too. 6" of travel in a faux bar design the frame looked beefy. Check out the pics.
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    That's pretty tight clearance

    If that wheel were to go ever so slightly out of true - you'd get tire rub I suspect

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    Wheel Clearance

    Its no where near as tight as my Mountain Cycle Zen with a 26" xc tire on it.

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    2005/2006 Marin Wolf Ridge Works

    Hey all I found a 2006 Marin Wolf Ridge in a used bike shop that fit the Neo moto rear tire. Cleared the front derailleur and the frame at full compression. 14.5" high BB though with no sag. I also tried a 2008 Marin Mt Vision and it hit the seat tube barely right at full compression. Cleared the FD nicely though. No Pics forgot the camera.

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    2006 Wolf Ridge

    Cool! Let us know how it turns out - don't forget to include pics!

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    Has anyone tried an On One 456?

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    1st gen soul cycles hooligan fits a 29" wheel (pulled RIGHT back in the horiz. d-outs) with a 2" tire and has about 1/4" mud clearance, will fit a 650B for sure.
    santa cruz blur 4X has about 1/2 inch chainstay and about 8mm seatstay mud clearance around a 26x2.35 intense edge tire... won't fit a 650B I'm sure.
    giant NRS carbon barely fits a 700C with a 28mm tire so I doubt anything knobby would slot in. (assuming all NRS's are the same as I believe the chain and seat stays are the same pieces)

    Let me know if someone DOES get a 650B in an NRS though, think the wife might like it!


    EDIT: I can fit a 29er rear wheel in my early hooligan with a 2" specialized (captain)tire, but a 2.3" exiwolf DOESN'T fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    From my personal findings and other's. This list ill also be on my blog if y'all haven't been to it yet: http://650bpalace.blogspot.com also found at www.650Bpalace.com

    These bikes clear the Neo-Moto 2.3"
    Surly 1x1, no confirmation but I'm sure the Pugsley would work too.
    VooDoo Bokor (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Wanga (newer with sliders)
    Soul Cycles Titan
    Ibex Atlas
    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Specialized Myka
    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Gunnar Ruffian (older with horizontal dropouts)
    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Scott Spark 30
    Marin Rift Zone
    Kona Unit (with sliders)
    Ventana El Chamuco
    Azonic Revenge
    Specialized Enduro Elite (checked on 2007 model)


    If I missed something that someone has confirmed, please add it!!!
    TIA
    OK I"m adding a few bikes.
    1999 Trek 930/950/970 fit the QUASI-MOTO, with no mod. Also cleared the Avid brake.
    The Haro Sonix VL120,(original Rear triangle) fits the Quasi Moto.

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    What's the clearance like on the Haro Sonix with the Quasi-Moto? Also anybody try the Ventana Pantera? Single pivot bikes have a pretty good success rate and they are very reasonable on Ebay.

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    Has anyone tried to fit a 650b wheel and tire on a Haro Werx SS?

    There is no chainstay bridge and the EBB would allow you to get the bb down low again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound
    Has anyone tried to fit a 650b wheel and tire on a Haro Werx SS?

    There is no chainstay bridge and the EBB would allow you to get the bb down low again.

    Drop this question in the Haro forum. Thos are kinda hard to come by, these days. I bet Jill or Pat would know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Drop this question in the Haro forum. Thos are kinda hard to come by, these days. I bet Jill or Pat would know.
    I have Jill's old bike, so I don't think she can check for me.

    I'll ask over there.

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    are the recent generation of handjobs compatible with 650b?

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    Nothing from the Cove camp fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    OK I"m adding a few bikes.
    1999 Trek 930/950/970 fit the QUASI-MOTO, with no mod. Also cleared the Avid brake.
    The Haro Sonix VL120,(original Rear triangle) fits the Quasi Moto.
    A VooDoo Sobo Scandium/Carbon frame came through the office today, The Neo-Moto mounted on a Blunt cleared the CS and SS. I think the carbon wish-bone is the same as spec'd on the Salsa MotoRapido. Better clearance if the Quasi was used. But, alas, no rubbing.
    FWIW I check the smallest size of this frame, a 14.5", it's tiny.

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    Anyone know if the new Trek Fuel Ex 9.x alum rear triangle will fit a 27.5er ?
    I was looking at them at Wheat Ridge Cyclery the other day, and it looks like they
    almost have clearance. I started to ask if I could pull my wheel off my Moj and give it a try.
    Also, the Yeti Asr looked like it could also.

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    650b Interview with Kirk Pacenti

    Just thought this would be of general interest to those looking for 650b frames and the like:

    http://www.bikerumor.com/2008/09/12/...nti-interview/

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    Just an update for this thread. The older 2006/2007 Salsa Ala Carte frames have plenty o room for the 650b and Neomoto. Just different Effective Top Tube lengths than the newer Ala Cartes - which also have plenty o room.

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    Soul Cycles' Icon AM hardtail is confirmed via numbers, but not in person.
    www.ridesoul.com rad frame.

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    Kona A full susser 650'd?

    Hola, anyone try 650's on a Kona A full suspension Singlespeed frame? That my next project right after Interbike. I know a Fox 100 fits alright up front, and their is some room out back for a bigger tire, just got to lace up the velocity's and add the meats,,,,,,,feedback please
    thanks
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    what would a 650B front wheel with a 26er rear wheel be called...? 650/26er...

    Setting up my Salsa Juan Solo this way once I build up the wheel with a winwood carbon fork. Should be fun

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    I vote B26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    I vote B26.
    agreed! this is one of my favorites...

    http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...HairyBird.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    agreed! this is one of my favorites...

    http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...HairyBird.html
    i don't know
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    HL 5Spot

    Anyone try an old school Turner 5 spot?

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    B26...PERFECT! And if you set it up on a full-suspension downhill bike it qualifies as a B26 BOMBER...

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    i like that tire alot. Is it offered in standard 26.5? what is it?

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    OK, no pics to post, but I've been running my BMC Team Elite 02 2008 hardtail with a Quasi in the back for a month now, it fits easily. It will take the Neo no problems either.

    Good bike to convert for all the XC folk out there. Light and stiff, and heaps of room for a 650b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkmeador
    i like that tire alot. Is it offered in standard 26.5? what is it?

    It helps if you quote the post you are referring to....

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    Ibis Mojo

    The Ibis Mojo can fit 650b, but for maximum safety the shock shaft travel to be limited by 1/16 inch (2mm) to ensure a Pacenti Neo-moto 650b tire cannot possibly scrape the seat tube if the shock mechanically bottoms the 2 inch stroke. I've limited my Mojo's coil shock using a metal washer cut open on one side to slip onto the shock shaft and fixed in place under the bottom bumper. With an air shock if may be possible to remove the air can and slide a large enough o-ring loosely around the shaft to act as a mechanical bottom bumper (I have not tested this and would appreciate someone with an air shock to verify).

    Other than seat tube clearance caution, the Pacenti Quasi-moto tire easily fits with 7 to 8mm stay clearance. The Neo-moto can barely fit with 3 to 4mm clearance and some knobs may need to be trimmed shorter to avoid slight rubbing, but there is not enough clearance using the Neo-moto for muddy conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derby
    The Ibis Mojo can fit 650b, but for maximum safety the shock shaft travel to be limited by 1/16 inch (2mm) to ensure a Pacenti Neo-moto 650b tire cannot possibly scrape the seat tube if the shock mechanically bottoms the 2 inch stroke. I've limited my Mojo's coil shock using a metal washer cut open on one side to slip onto the shock shaft and fixed in place under the bottom bumper. With an air shock if may be possible to remove the air can and slide a large enough o-ring loosely around the shaft to act as a mechanical bottom bumper (I have not tested this and would appreciate someone with an air shock to verify).

    Other than seat tube clearance caution, the Pacenti Quasi-moto tire easily fits with 7 to 8mm stay clearance. The Neo-moto can barely fit with 3 to 4mm clearance and some knobs may need to be trimmed shorter to avoid slight rubbing, but there is not enough clearance using the Neo-moto for muddy conditions.
    hey derby, this is very interesting to me...sometime when you get a chance, please post a photo of your rear triangle with quasi-moto's...maybe in both new wheels and ibis forums...the last time i saw your bike you wasn't using the pike...not your favorite anymore.???
    tread lightly...earth is our playground

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tread Mark
    hey derby, this is very interesting to me...sometime when you get a chance, please post a photo of your rear triangle with quasi-moto's...maybe in both new wheels and ibis forums...the last time i saw your bike you wasn't using the pike...not your favorite anymore.???
    I'm using the rare '07 Nixon Elite 160 - 130mm coil Wind-Down fork w/20mm axle. It's lighter than the Pike by about 1/4 pound, but not quite as stiff, although the spring rate is more linear and plush and TPC+ damping is better. I like using the 160mm travel for fast or steep downhill and may use it at 150mm everywhere on my trip soon to Utah and Arizona where itís rockier. The Pike should have this travel range and a more linear deep travel spring. If I were buying a new coil fork now for my Mojo uses it would be the Lyric.

    Hereís a picture of the Quasi on the Mojo with the original swingarm where it only cleared by about 4 - 5mm. I got a new rear swingarm. My very early Mojo swingarm was shorter than production and the production rear swingarm clears the Quasi easily with 8 - 10mm clearance and I'm running the Neo-moto now with only about 3 - 5mm clearance and had to snip a few irregular high knobs shorter. All the air shock Mojo riders say they donít need to shorten travel with the quasi-moto tire Ė maybe my center frame is also not to production spec dimensions. With the Neo-moto I think shortening shock travel 1/16 inch would be needed.
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    hey derby, i'm sticking with the pike for now...i'm gonna try a lighter weight spring and oil to get that last inch of cush...agreed...the lyric is a sweeter ride...but 2X the dough...thanks for your experiences you've shared...
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    Would it be safe to say if I where to go out and get an 09 Mojo SL that a 2.3 Neo-moto will fit?

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    On the Mojo SL I am running or have run a Neo Moto on the front end and a Quasi Moto on the rear end.

    You can also run a Neo Moto on the rear *if* you trim the knobs a bit.





    R.

    Quote Originally Posted by alien too
    Would it be safe to say if I where to go out and get an 09 Mojo SL that a 2.3 Neo-moto will fit?
    It is inevitable ...

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    haven't read all 6 pages,but did a search,and nothing...2007 redline monocog flite frame...i know a 29er wheel will fit the fork...is it a viable 650b project candidate?

    thanx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhaultrucker
    haven't read all 6 pages,but did a search,and nothing...2007 redline monocog flite frame...i know a 29er wheel will fit the fork...is it a viable 650b project candidate?

    thanx!
    I would say definitely yes, especially with the sliding dropout feature on this frame.

    You bought that frame before I could make and offer with the idea in my mind of doing just that - turning it into a 650b rigid bike. Go for it LHT!!! Go for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I would say definitely yes, especially with the sliding dropout feature on this frame.

    You bought that frame before I could make and offer with the idea in my mind of doing just that - turning it into a 650b rigid bike. Go for it LHT!!! Go for it!
    Kool!!! That's what i was thinknig when i bought it too

    Sorry bout that,hope yer not mad

    And I will,just may take me a lil while the way paving is this time of the year
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    Anyone ever try a Stumpjumper Aluminum? I'm interested, I know it clears in the carbon frame, but havnt seen the alu. one.

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    Pivot Firebird

    I visited the Pivot headquarters a week ago and saw the prototype Firebird 6.7 inch travel AM/Trail bike. It had about 3/4 inch clearance in the chainstays beyond the 26 inch tires mounted with larger casing height beyond the rim than the Neo-Moto. I have no idea if the 6.7 inch bottom travel might need to be limited slightly to clear the seat tube.

    Using a fork with 160mm travel that can be lowered, such as the Talas 36 or Lyric U-Turn or 2-Step, for quicker steering and climbing balance would keep the BB height from becoming too high for rough tight trail balance and pedal clearance. The DW-Link likes deep sag so the high topped out BB is really not so high when riding. Equipped with an XTR build this bike is only about 30 - 31 lbs with air suspension. And it is extremely stiff laterally and in rear swingarm torsion flex.
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    I just converted my K2 Apache 6.0 to 650b. There is so much room in the back that it looks like it was made for this set-up! (could probably fit a 3"+ tire in there - running NeoMotos now). I'm using a White Bros. up front (100) so, I've got 4" all the way around. Super sweet ride and the bottom bracket is still low. It's now my favorite ride for all-day riding or XC racing. Total weight with Stans ZTR and Hope 2 hubs is just under 24 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uphiller1
    I just converted my K2 Apache 6.0 to 650b. There is so much room in the back that it looks like it was made for this set-up! (could probably fit a 3"+ tire in there - running NeoMotos now). I'm using a White Bros. up front (100) so, I've got 4" all the way around. Super sweet ride and the bottom bracket is still low. It's now my favorite ride for all-day riding or XC racing. Total weight with Stans ZTR and Hope 2 hubs is just under 24 lbs.
    We need some pics of this ASAP!

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    We need some pics of this ASAP!

    Cheers,

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    Will do....as soon as the rain friggin' stops! 3-days now. I wish it was a little colder, this would've been the best snowstorm in years!!

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    Some pics of the K2 - tried to get some close-ups of the clearance on the rear-end. As you can see, plenty of room! Sweet riding with no pedal-bob!
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    BTW, I originally put the above wheelset on an '01 Homegrown Ltd (the gold one) with a Salsa rigid fork - so, to add to the list, the Homegrown fits 650b just fine - almost as much room as on the K2!

    Also, the bottom of BB on the K2 above sits at just a hair under 13".

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    Is it just my imagination or is this the same frame as the Apache with a heck of a lot better shock?
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/184...onarch-3.3.htm
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    They do look similar! Probably built in the same factory. That upper rear stay looks like it came out of the same mold. I checked the geometry and they are different, however. So, don't know, but that's a great price if they ride the same - I'd pick up a spare.

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    they're similar in that they're both linkage actuated single-pivot designs with all the upper linkages being in near identical places.

    however, the main differences are that the sette has the swingarm pivot more rearward than the K2, and the K2 has more gusseting at the headtube and upper seat tube than the sette.

    still, they probably do come out of the same factory.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm 26" Reba Team Fork???

    Hi Guys,
    Without going thru all the threads, can any of you guys tell me if the REBA Team 26" fork works with the 650b 2.3 tire set up? thanks! Ed

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    Nada Ed. Check the 650B fork thread instead of the frame thread.

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    forks

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    Sinister Splinter FS is a fit. I received visual confirmation from a one A Nony Moose earlier today. 650b with Neomoto clears a Sinister Splinter Fully with ample room for mud clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Sinister Splinter FS is a fit. I received visual confirmation from a one A Nony Moose earlier today. 650b with Neomoto clears a Sinister Splinter Fully with ample room for mud clearance.

    BlTCHIN

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    Will a 650B fit in a sette ace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Waterat Pat
    Is it just my imagination or is this the same frame as the Apache with a heck of a lot better shock?
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/184...onarch-3.3.htm
    I called price point and asked, but i would have to order bike and then see if it fits.
    I have the 650b wheelset in a mtn cycle fury. I have confirmed fits in a santa cruz supelight- really close to the front der. And a confirmed fit in a orbea occam. better
    front der cleance than the superlight.

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    This is for MMcG
    Soul Cycles Icon, allmountain hardtail.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotography/3162678452/" title="DSCF0478 by Cracked Headtube, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/3162678452_7d0eca886d_m.jpg" width="180" height="240" alt="DSCF0478" /></a>
    <br><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotography/3162677320/" title="Soul Cycles ICON 650b Wheels by Cracked Headtube, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/3162677320_15d1871e6c_m.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Soul Cycles ICON 650b Wheels" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    This is for MMcG
    Soul Cycles Icon, allmountain hardtail.



    Thanks Cracked!Oodles of room it seams.

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    more photos.
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    I want to know all the cheap rigid options...

    Tire size is WAY more important for those without suspension because with no suspension there is no give so everything you roll over or "hit" is much harsher, much more likely to kick you off the bike, etc... You got easy with suspension to begin with, for going over anything, throw in bigger wheels and it is amazing what you can go over.

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    I found a new 07 Ibex Trophy frame with sliders for cheap, does anybody know if it will fit 650b?

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    drop this question in the Ibex forum!

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    How about the Castellano Fango?

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    Fango

    Anybody tried the Castellano Fango? It's got a low-ish BB and looks like enough clearance...

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    I'll email John to find out. I spoke to him at NAHBS about his S.o.S. frame and he thought he may be able to configure that as 26,650b, and 29. The Fango has been engineered for 26" cush, and my throw wrench in the mix when the chain stays start flexing differently. Or perhaps they won't. An engineer should step in with that info.....

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    I've acquired a Salsa A La Carte. The only question is what the dropouts are. I assume they are vertical? I really want to put a Shimano Alfine hub on it.

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    Vertical would be correct for an Ala Carte

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    fisher's fit

    looks like this frame which is the same on the hkek through to the advance will fit 650b's..the advance does have a seat stay bridge because of rim pincher brakes, which may not work, this pic is of the tassajara.
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    Ok, so I'm going to update this thread, in one post. Get all the convertable frames consolidated, if you will.

    Azonic Revenge

    Bianchi SASS
    Bianchi Oetzi Carbon 2009 (only quasi-moto)

    BMC Team Elite 02, (2.1" and smaller)

    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Cannondale taurine
    Cannondale F3

    Carver 96er

    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Gary Fisher Tass.

    Gunnar Ruffian (older with horizontal dropouts)

    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Haro Sonix VL120,(original Rear triangle) fits the Quasi Moto

    Ibex Atlas

    Ibis Mojo (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    K2 Factory
    K2 Apache 6.0

    Kona Unit (with sliders)
    KONA Coiler Series, (2007)
    Kona

    Marin Rift Zone
    Marin Wolf Ridge 05/06

    Mountain Cycle fury

    Novarra Method

    Surly 1x1, no confirmation but I'm sure the Pugsley would work too.

    Salsa Ala Carte

    Schwinn 01 Homegrown Ltd

    Scott Spark 30

    Sinister Ridge
    Sinister Splinter FS

    Specialized Enduro Elite (checked on 2007 model)
    Specialized Myka
    Specialized Carbon Epic, 2008
    Specialized S-Works Carbon HT

    Spooky Darkside

    Soul Cycles Titan
    Soul Cycles Icon
    Soul Cycles Hooligan G2

    Soma Groove (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    Santa Cruz Chameleon, horizontal dropouts (2.1" and smaller recommended)
    Santa Cruz Heckler
    Santa Cruz Bullet
    Santa Cruz BLT2

    Trek 930/950/970 1999 fit the QUASI-MOTO

    Ventana El Chamuco
    VooDoo Bokor (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Wanga (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Sobo (2.1" and smaller tire recommended)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Ok, so I'm going to update this thread, in one post. Get all the convertable frames consolidated, if you will.

    Azonic Revenge

    Bianchi SASS

    BMC Team Elite 02, (2.1" and smaller)

    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Cannondale taurine
    Cannondale F3

    Carver 96er

    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Gary Fisher Tass.

    Gunnar Ruffian (older with horizontal dropouts)

    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Haro Sonix VL120,(original Rear triangle) fits the Quasi Moto

    Ibex Atlas

    Ibis Mojo (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    K2 Factory
    K2 Apache 6.0

    Kona Unit (with sliders)
    KONA Coiler Series, (2007)
    Kona

    Marin Rift Zone
    Marin Wolf Ridge 05/06

    Novarra Method

    Surly 1x1, no confirmation but I'm sure the Pugsley would work too.

    Salsa Ala Carte

    Schwinn 01 Homegrown Ltd

    Scott Spark 30

    Sinister Ridge
    Sinister Splinter FS

    Specialized Enduro Elite (checked on 2007 model)
    Specialized Myka
    Specialized Carbon Epic, 2008
    Specialized S-Works Carbon HT

    Spooky Darkside

    Soul Cycles Titan
    Soul Cycles Icon
    Soul Cycles Hooligan G2

    Soma Groove (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    Santa Cruz Chameleon, horizontal dropouts (2.1" and smaller recommended)
    Santa Cruz Heckler
    Santa Cruz Bullet
    Santa Cruz BLT2

    Trek 930/950/970 1999 fit the QUASI-MOTO

    Ventana El Chamuco
    VooDoo Bokor (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Wanga (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Sobo (2.1" and smaller tire recommended)
    Bianchi oetzi carbon 2009 only quasi-moto

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    Add frame

    I have the 650b in a mountain cycle fury. Front and rear w/ a fox vanilla fork.
    To add to the list,

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    Bump....

    Quote Originally Posted by moia
    I called price point and asked, but i would have to order bike and then see if it fits.
    I have the 650b wheelset in a mtn cycle fury. I have confirmed fits in a santa cruz supelight- really close to the front der. And a confirmed fit in a orbea occam. better
    front der cleance than the superlight.
    Anyone????

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldandslow
    Anybody tried the Castellano Fango? It's got a low-ish BB and looks like enough clearance...
    A 2.3" 26-inch wheel will barely fit in the back of a ripley/fango, so don't think there's a chance that a 650b would fit.

    I've been wanting to put a 650b up front though.......just need to convince myself it would be worthwhile and get one.

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    Soma Groove? Hmmm, I missed that post somehow.
    Me thinks I might be building a new wheel or two soon.
    Now to find my tape measure and see what my 4one5 has to say about this, I think if the Groove can do it, I'm in!
    I guess my FS doesn't need to wear that Fox fork anymore.
    Now to do some 650b rim and tire shopping!
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    Add the Commencal Meta 5.5 to the list of 26" fully frames that have room for the 650b with Neomoto - at least at the chainstays and seatstays. Waiting on A Nony Moose to confirm travel etc. with it, but it looks like it could be a go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Add the Commencal Meta 5.5 to the list of 26" fully frames that have room for the 650b with Neomoto - at least at the chainstays and seatstays. Waiting on A Nony Moose to confirm travel etc. with it, but it looks like it could be a go!
    oh yeah. absolutely fits.
    travel is 100% cuz this suspension linkage would have to be driven THRU the seat tube before the tire ever came close
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    Ok, so I'm going to update this thread, in one post. Get all the convertable frames consolidated, if you will.

    Azonic Revenge

    Bianchi SASS
    Bianchi Oetzi Carbon 2009 (only quasi-moto)

    BMC Team Elite 02, (2.1" and smaller)

    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Cannondale taurine
    Cannondale F3

    Carver 96er

    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Gary Fisher Tass.

    Gunnar Ruffian (older with horizontal dropouts)

    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Haro Sonix VL120,(original Rear triangle) fits the Quasi Moto

    Ibex Atlas

    Ibis Mojo (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    K2 Factory
    K2 Apache 6.0

    Kona Unit (with sliders)
    KONA Coiler Series, (2007)
    Kona

    Marin Rift Zone
    Marin Wolf Ridge 05/06

    Mountain Cycle fury

    Novarra Method

    Surly 1x1, no confirmation but I'm sure the Pugsley would work too.

    Salsa Ala Carte

    Schwinn 01 Homegrown Ltd

    Scott Spark 30

    Sinister Ridge
    Sinister Splinter FS

    Specialized Enduro Elite (checked on 2007 model)
    Specialized Myka
    Specialized Carbon Epic, 2008
    Specialized S-Works Carbon HT

    Spooky Darkside

    Soul Cycles Titan
    Soul Cycles Icon
    Soul Cycles Hooligan G2

    Soma Groove (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    Santa Cruz Chameleon, horizontal dropouts (2.1" and smaller recommended)
    Santa Cruz Heckler
    Santa Cruz Bullet
    Santa Cruz BLT2

    Trek 930/950/970 1999 fit the QUASI-MOTO

    Ventana El Chamuco
    VooDoo Bokor (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Wanga (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Sobo (2.1" and smaller tire recommended)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Cannondale taurine
    Cannondale F3
    Great list but, you are missing the pre chain stay bridge Rush. I think its 07 and earlier.

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    A New One to Add to the list.

    A 650b with Quasi Moto (Thanks again Mickey) clears the rear chainstays and seatstays on a 1995 Kona Fire Mountain with decent amount of room.

    Pics to follow in the a.m.

    It also fits on a 1996 Trek 850 with decent room to shed mud.

    I do need to true up this rear wheel that came on the Haro Beasley - sometimes stuff like that goes unnoticed when always running discs.

    So add a couple more frames to the list there Cracked Headtube!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    A New One to Add to the list.

    A 650b with Quasi Moto (Thanks again Mickey) clears the rear chainstays and seatstays on a 1995 Kona Fire Mountain with decent amount of room.

    It also fits on a 1996 Trek 850 with decent room to shed mud.
    the problem there is FINDING one of those gems 13+ years later!


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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Nony Moose
    the problem there is FINDING one of those gems 13+ years later!

    Oh but they can be found - especially those 1995 Fire Mountains right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Ok, so I'm going to update this thread, in one post. Get all the convertable frames consolidated, if you will.

    Azonic Revenge

    Bianchi SASS
    Bianchi Oetzi Carbon 2009 (only quasi-moto)

    BMC Team Elite 02, (2.1" and smaller)

    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Cannondale taurine
    Cannondale F3

    Carver 96er

    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Gary Fisher Tass.

    Gunnar Ruffian (older with horizontal dropouts)

    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Haro Sonix VL120,(original Rear triangle) fits the Quasi Moto

    Ibex Atlas

    Ibis Mojo (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    K2 Factory
    K2 Apache 6.0

    Kona Unit (with sliders)
    KONA Coiler Series, (2007)
    Kona

    Marin Rift Zone
    Marin Wolf Ridge 05/06

    Mountain Cycle fury

    Novarra Method

    Surly 1x1, no confirmation but I'm sure the Pugsley would work too.

    Salsa Ala Carte

    Schwinn 01 Homegrown Ltd

    Scott Spark 30

    Sinister Ridge
    Sinister Splinter FS

    Specialized Enduro Elite (checked on 2007 model)
    Specialized Myka
    Specialized Carbon Epic, 2008
    Specialized S-Works Carbon HT

    Spooky Darkside

    Soul Cycles Titan
    Soul Cycles Icon
    Soul Cycles Hooligan G2

    Soma Groove (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    Santa Cruz Chameleon, horizontal dropouts (2.1" and smaller recommended)
    Santa Cruz Heckler
    Santa Cruz Bullet
    Santa Cruz BLT2

    Trek 930/950/970 1999 fit the QUASI-MOTO

    Ventana El Chamuco
    VooDoo Bokor (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Wanga (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Sobo (2.1" and smaller tire recommended)
    Add Bianchi DISS with 2004 Fox Fork. I have a bad picture. You have 3/4 use of the horizontal dropouts before it hits the stays.

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    Add to the list the Spooky Horror Taxi steel hardtail

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    I have a 1989 (?) specialized rockhopper and I put a velocity synergy wheelset on it with the neo motos and the front fork has a couple mm of space and the chain stays have a millimeter or two for clearance. If you guys want I'll put them back on and take some photos, but you can definitely do quasi's and have room for mud.

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    Scalpel Rear?

    Has anyone done a Scalpel rear wheel as 650B?

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    Here's how 650b looks on a steel Mojo w/ a Duke fork. Clearance on the fork is close. Seat stays look passable. Chain stays are tight. Can't wait to see how it rides this weekend.




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    A set of Quasi-motos would help a lot on that Ibis.

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    any suggestions for a low buck frame to build a commuter with? I am wanting something that i can still hit the trails with. I'd ride the Sycip but people seem to like to try and run me over on the way to work...

    I was thinking about a redline monocog 26" but i don't see where anyone has tried one and there are none in town to try.

    I can also get a killer deal on an 08 kona fire mountain. I saw where there older ones fit, anyone try a newer model? I don't think the dart 3 fork will clear either. Suppose i can haul my wheels down there and check on that one myself.

    any other suggestions would be appreciated.
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buconine
    any suggestions for a low buck frame to build a commuter with? I am wanting something that i can still hit the trails with. I'd ride the Sycip but people seem to like to try and run me over on the way to work...

    I was thinking about a redline monocog 26" but i don't see where anyone has tried one and there are none in town to try.

    I can also get a killer deal on an 08 kona fire mountain. I saw where there older ones fit, anyone try a newer model? I don't think the dart 3 fork will clear either. Suppose i can haul my wheels down there and check on that one myself.

    any other suggestions would be appreciated.
    Thanks!
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    Anybody know if a Brodie One Ball would work?

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    Thanks Kirk! I was looking for some cheaper options. Used 1x1's seem to have dried up with the discovery of 650b wheels. Stumbled into a few other used bikes but people don't seem to keen on me coming over and swapping wheels before purchase...lol.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm 650B mtb/cyclocross Bad Boy

    I'll be getting a new 08 C-Dale Bad Boy that I plan to convert to mountain/cyclocross singletrack terror. Some upgrades planned include: Stans ZTR 355 650B rims, DT Swiss hubs, cyclocross 34/48T crankset - still looking, some lightweight carbon goodies to lighten the bike up even more. Tires will probably be Pacenti Quasi-Moto 2.0. Already have SRAM X.0 carbon rear derailer and twist shifters. Will be posting pics when the build takes form.
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    Salsa El Santo FS Confirmed 650B

    Hello All,
    I just finished (literally) building up this brand new Salsa "El Santo" for a 5'4" girl. I've installed my post/saddle for the test ride only (why it looks so odd). I installed an older Manitou Black Fork that I had laying about, but a RS Revelation 426 20mm is on the way. The rims/tires are Blunts/Quasi Moto. Bike has minimal mud clearance (.25") in both the front and the back. Is there any "new school" Salsa that doesn't accept a 650B? I'm not sure if this is the best conversion for wet/muddy locals, but it does work so...
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    Hello,
    I just finished my latest 650B rig and while assembling it I sorted through all the forks that I had laying about which may have worked. Anyway, I thought that you may wish to know that these forks that the following forks that I have work with the Blunt/Quasi set-up: 2003 Duke Air Race works sweet, 2005 Judy SL U-Turn works (but is wicked heavy), and speaking of rather heavy forks, the 2003 Marzocchi Shiver 20mm (as many may have suspected) works perfectly for any FS trail rig.
    Late
    PS: I will try to post pics over the next few days

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