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  1. #201
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    I'll bet the El Santo will work really well with the lowish BB and the fact it is a somewhat twitchy race bike the 650B wheels should smooth out the handling.
    Another possibility is I saw a BMC Fourstroke 03 at the trailhead last weekend and it had loads of clearance at the chainstay and seatstay. Anybody try this one? Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Chad at Soul THINKs the 1st GEN Hooligan would work, but theres no way to tell until you try. I'm thinking about getting a 08, GEN 2 Hooligan to test out. I like this because it has the EBB which can be set at it's lowest point so the BB doesn't raise up so much with the wheel size difference. Also, the GEN2 has a geared option. I'll play with my VooDoo Bokor for now, then move onto the Hooligan. As for the Minute 2:00 thatsa no-go for B'rs.
    I put a 700c cross wheel in the rear triangle of a 2007 model & that had some clearance. I figure that means a 650b SHOULD be cool. I will let ya'll know as soon as I do.

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    Hopefully you used a 700x42, or something close to that, because a 700x32 doesn't have the same OD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Hopefully you used a 700x42, or something close to that, because a 700x32 doesn't have the same OD.
    What does OD mean?

    I put a 700x35 in... my friend has a 650b wheel that I can borrow to do an actual fitting before I go too far into this project, however if this frame does not fit I think I am going to have to find one that will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life and Liberty
    What does OD mean?
    Outside Diameter.
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    I don't wanna be a thread troll or anything, but the Redline 26er works well with 650B wheels. My buddy has one and loves the way it handles over the 26" wheel. Sorry if someone has already posted this one...

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    09 Intense Tracer

    Will the 09 tracer fit 650b neo-moto rear? thanks

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    I read almost this whole thread, and I might have missed it... but, does anyone know if a 650b will fit a RS Sid? I have a 06' Team laying around, with a 2001 Schwinn Homegrown Pro frame next to it and I wanted to make a little side project. Will these two work?


    EDIT: Disregard... It's a go! Fits perfect!
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    2008 Stumpjumper FSR Pro Carbon with 650b wheels

    Check out this blog... some good pics here:

    http://bigdaddymikesblog.blogspot.com/

    Cheers,

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    Jamis Dragon Team?

    Sorry if this is a duplicate - I thought I already posted but couldn't find it.

    Has anyone tried the Dragon or does anyone have the ability to test the setup for clearance? I currrently have Geax Sedona 2.25s (very large profile for a 26") and there is a lot of clearance. Can't imagine the incremental radius of the 650B setup being that much larger.
    Actually, if the Sedonas were still available I wouldn't even be looking into the 650. They already provide greatly improved rollover compared to any other 26" tire of comparable weight that I've tried.

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    add another

    put Canfield's Balance on the list


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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Nony Moose
    put Canfield's Balance on the list

    pics!?

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    The Kona Humu 3-bar cruiser should work.

    The rear will fit a 50mm WTB 29er with the wheel all the way back in the dropouts.
    Not sure about 650B clearance in the Project 2 fork, but an alternative is the Surly 1x1.
    Very similar geometry to the P2 bit with *JUST* enough crown clearance for a 50mm 29er.

    There was also a "disc only" Humu Deluxe for 1 year, that used sliders.
    Basically the same geometry as the Unit frame, which somebody has already listed as 650B-able.

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    Add the Brodie Cruzado (Titanium) and Catalyst (Tange steel) frames to the list. Sorry no photographs but both frames cleared with plenty of space (chainstay and seatstay bridges) using a 2.1 Kenda Nevagal on a Blunt rim. I'm sure the other bikes in the lightening range of Brodies will also fit (Fury/Bandit/Tempyst/Force....these frames may make a cheap build).
    When the tax refund comes in and I get the Cruzado I'll post pics

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    Marin Mt. Vision 2006, Neo with room to spare

    Marin Mt. Vision 2006, Neo-Moto 2.3 or Nevegal 2.1 with room to spare
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    Marin B Vision 2006 report

    Obviously tons of space for 650B, clearance is not an issue in any dimension. Now that I've ridden maybe 10 times, here's my personal impressions.

    In short, four inches of rear travel plus nearly five up front, plus 650B, is a lot of terrain flattening capacity. The combo of Nevegal 2.1 rear and Neo 2.3 up front, both run tubeless, provides huge traction in turning and climbing. Front braking is also great. Rear is still skidsville. The converted Marin handles much like it did with 26, only it won't wash out in a corner so easily, and you really need to twist HARD to get that rear to square off a turn.


    For those of you who love the long story, please read on.

    Blah blah blah musings...
    I didn't feel the need to change suspension settings when converting from 26 to 650B.
    As claimed, the 650Bs soak up more trail chatter, especially up front.
    The additional traction, in what I'll call 'torsion' or lateral traction, while turning, tries to twist the frame and fork. The Marin is stiff enough, but some bikes that feel flexy with 26 are really going to get loose with 650B conversion.
    For my skill set, the bike can handle more speed through turns converted to 650B; just more grip and more solidly planted.
    The converted bike is easier to manual and wheelie, due to additional wheel weight? contact patch?

    Riding back to back to back experiences...
    I rode my home trail first with tubes and then tubeless.
    The Neo with tube is quite stable, I'd call it gravity friendly. By that I mean that you can charge braking bumps or a sidehill without the tire, as a front, catching on bumps and trying to carve away from your line, or slipping below your chosen line. Hi or low in the travel, it stays steady. In the rear, the Neo with tube feels solid and welcomes a gravity assist. Tubeless, the Neo gets more lively and lighter at the pedals, but still handles very steadily. The Nevegal with tubes is more sensitive to terrain in front than the Neo. Tubeless, it will grip like mad, but is reactive enough to possibly tug you off line, say hammering down a choppy sidehill, Tubed in rear was a bit dull pedaling, and as expected lightened up tubeless. The tubeless set up with Neo front and Nevegal rear would be my first choice to ride rugged trails, or unfamiliar trails, but it's a bit much for easy stuff.

    Un-converting is revealing...
    I headed to a local sweet spot with mild rolling tight-turning singletrack not unlike an XC race course (probably more roots than average). The rear nevegal was super locked-up on the climbs and turn after turn flowed by as the bike could be railed and didn't dally switching edges. Things were great, but things were going to get interesting. I replaced the rear with my old light hyperfast Stan's Olympic with Kenda Karma converted to tubeless 26" on the back, and wound the Talas fork down an inch. Woah! Screaming fast. I guess the 650B nevegal was sucking up some speed. I jammed the same stretch of trail, faster in the pedally parts. But, also a bit closer to the limits. Because the rear end would slide around now, I could also stuff the bike into corners and square corners off at will. The bike didn't come off the rails, because the Neo up front can really show the way, and it did flick from corner to corner in a lighter easier manner. 26 rear Neo front, was the hot ticket for this mild, twisty speedy trail, because the Karma is FAST and the 4" rear suspension kept the roots at bay. So, if one 26 wheel is great for this trail, how 'bout two? Things got interesting again. My front 26 wheel is Stan's Olympic with a converted Nevegal 2.1 Sticky, generally awesome stuff. Wound the Talas back to max travel, and... GAACK, it was HORRIBLE. The front wheel that I had always loved was pretty bad compared to the Neo. Every bump seemed doubled (and I ran soft, about 25 lbs pressure tubeless). The grip was way off, and yet this is one of the best gripping tires in 26 that I've ever run. The bike ran shockingly rough in comparison to with a killer b front wheel! After the initial yuck, I got serious, and revved things up and charged the same trail sections as before. The flow came and I was doing about the max I can muster, life was good, the trees were blurred. And then, wham, it happened, the front pushed in a turn, lost grip, and I wrecked. In a half dozen times through the same turn with the Neo on front, no problem or hint. 26 was for that turn, that moment, my bike, and me, definitely inferior to 650B.

    My last ride was in the rain, just to see... and things were fine. The converted bike is better, but wet roots and shale are wet roots and shale.

    The Marin "B" Vision is a really good project. If you have the same frame, give it a try. The current suspension bikes from Marin look promising. And, when selecting a full suspended conversion project, recognize that the 650B wheels will make the frame and fork feel more flexy than with 26 wheels.

    Hats off to KP! I can't see running a front 26 wheel anymore, and even on my conversion, the rear 650B has all around better trail qualities. I can't wait to get a Quasi or Neo 2.1 for the rear for the speedy XC pedaling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Pic of my Salsa. It is as if it was made for 650B.
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    so this fit's the 2.3's with no problem's?

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    tube or tubless

    Is anyone having issues with their rear-end being scwurmy. I'm about 210lbs and never have problems with tubless on other bikes. I'm running a FS bike with nevegal 2.3 up front & 2.1 in the rear, on notubes 355. Does Neo-moto work better tubless? Should I throw tubes in? The front seems great.

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    Hi speed or low? I feel some rear wheel and swingarm flex with a Nevegal 2.1 run tubeless on rear wheel, but it is only a pronounced sensation at slow grinding speed. It sorts out with some speed and momentum... I guess the flex is still there, but the rear wheel plays follow-the-leader nicely with a head of steam and becomes super solid carver. Thinking about that slow speed sensation... it seems the tire's soft sticky shoulder tread blocks are really reactive to terrain and really grippy in the 650B 2.1 version of the Nevegal, perhaps the slightly longer contact patch is to thank / blame. I like it on balance, because the sensation you're reporting comes from a surplus of traction not a deficit.

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    My Brodie 1-Ball 650B Compatible 26er

    Greetings 2 all
    I recently built-up a 650b Salsa FS, and then I converted my 1987 Mountain Goat Whiskytown Racer HT (disc tabs/cable guides by Sycip), but I wanted yet 1 more 650b ride. I decided to build up a single speed racer based on the Brodie 1 ball frame that I purchased direct from Brodie.

    Bike built up nice and easy but I'm still messing with the rear gearing while waiting for the Hive to send out my fifteenG SS crankset
    As you can probably tell, I have yet to cut/bleed the lines on the new Avid Elixir brakes (just took the out of box/mounted at time of pics).
    Wheels: Blunt rims-White Industries hubs (F&R)/DT Super Comp spokes w/gold alum nips)-Neo Moto tires (F&R)-White Industries DOS Freewheel 17/19
    Crank/Chainring: Crank Bros w/Spot 36t ring + SS Guard
    Chain: Wippermann ConneX-9s1
    Fork: RS Duke Race w U-Turn
    Everyone can probably make out the rest of the components (from pics) so I'm not going to bother to list them all since they have little to do with building a 650B SS
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    I like your little Quasimodo on the stem!

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    Assracer, I think your front tire's mounted backwards....

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    Saweeet!

    Absolutely gorgeous bike!





    Mr. Moose is right, though regarding the front tire.

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    So has it ever been determined if the 08/09 Stumpjumper FSR's can run a 650b on the rear? I really want to order up a set of wheels, but would like to know if it works. I've been using the search function for the last hour and have not seen a stumpy yet with the setup.

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    Your dynamic grasp on the obvious truly amazes me, but if you actually ventured away from your local rail-tail, you would realize that many tires will not wind-up or corner properly if mounted in the direction indicated on tire (ever run Michelin XC Pros after following the discretional arrows?). The Neo Moto, when mounted "improperly"on this SS, accelerated/cornered much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umassracer
    The Neo Moto, when mounted "improperly"on this SS, accelerated/cornered much better.
    that's because you were going so slow, you were actually moving BACKWARDS

    enjoy your 1 ball



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    For everyone that probably doesn't care- I have an '89 Rockhopper with a Kenda 2.1 in the back and a Kenda 2.35 in the front. With the back tire alllll the way back, there is a couple mm on each side. The fork has similar clearance, so as soon as I hit mud or have a tire go out of true I'm up the creek. Maybe. Anyway, vintage bikes totally have room for a 650b 2.1 in the front and a 26" in the back.

    I can post a review after I knock out some actual trail miles if there is interest.

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    08-09 Stumpjumper FSR 650B?

    Well my post seemed to disappear so I will ask again. Has anyone confirmed the 08-09 Stumpy FSR's fit 650B's. I would really love to make the swap on my 09 SJ Comp to help out with the lovely Arizona terrain, but don't want to spend the $$ unless it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umassracer
    Your dynamic grasp on the obvious truly amazes me,
    Ya, whatever. I would sure like to give that bike a ride Looks good.

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    [QUOTE=Cracked Headtube]Ok, so I'm going to update this thread, in one post. Get all the convertable frames consolidated, if you will.

    dot dot dot

    Santa Cruz Chameleon, horizontal dropouts (2.1" and smaller recommended)
    Santa Cruz Heckler
    Santa Cruz Bullet
    Santa Cruz BLT2

    QUOTE]

    Anyone able to say if the 2005/6 heckler will work? getting a custom 29er built but may change it 650b and get dual duty from the wheelset

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    Add the 2004 Med. 5" FS Weyless XP (Supergo Heckler Clone) to the list, Its as if this bike was designed around them? (I have compressed both front and rear suspension TO THE MAX, NO RUBS! ... (QBP Handspun Velocity Blunts on XT disc hubs, Quasi-Moto tires 2.0)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Ark
    I could be mistaken, but isn't Haro working on at least 1 650b FS?
    Yes, but Todd at The Sportsman in Logan UT called Haro today. Todd said the Haro 650B FS is in prototype form only at this moment; maybe still a year off to releasel. Bummer. I would have tossed down a deposit today otherwise.

    The other mass-producer alleged to be working on 650B FS is Jamis; Dealer Wimmer said he'd ask the distributor about it next week.

    Is my assumption correct that any FS 29er will handle dual 650B?

    Any FS bikes (other than 29ers) handle 650B front/rear?

    Any custom FS frames handle 650B rear? (Sorry, have not checked if there's even such thing as a custom FS frame.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Yes, but Todd at The Sportsman in Logan UT called Haro today. Todd said the Haro 650B FS is in prototype form only at this moment; maybe still a year off to releasel. Bummer. I would have tossed down a deposit today otherwise.

    The other mass-producer alleged to be working on 650B FS is Jamis; Dealer Wimmer said he'd ask the distributor about it next week.

    Is my assumption correct that any FS 29er will handle dual 650B?

    Any FS bikes (other than 29ers) handle 650B front/rear?

    Any custom FS frames handle 650B rear? (Sorry, have not checked if there's even such thing as a custom FS frame.)

    You can do 650B on the existing Haro FS Trailbike frame(XEON)

    The Jamis FS 650B exists, it was at sea otter.

    Yes on your 29er question, but the Geo is wierded with that config.

    Santa Cruz Heckler and My Weyless (Clone)both will take 650B F/R and ad 5" bikes.

    Not sure on Customs. Ventana and Moots I think are on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheous
    You can do 650B on the existing Haro FS Trailbike frame(XEON)

    The Jamis FS 650B exists, it was at sea otter.

    Yes on your 29er question, but the Geo is wierded with that config.

    Santa Cruz Heckler and My Weyless (Clone)both will take 650B F/R and ad 5" bikes.

    Not sure on Customs. Ventana and Moots I think are on it?
    Morpheus
    Thanks for the tips!

    Haro's website, under "All-Mtn/Freeride" lists two Xeons:
    http://www.harobikes.com/mtb/tab2_subNav1.php
    Xeon Comp $2500 &
    Xeon $2k
    Will both accept F/R 650B? Have you tried or seen the retrofit?

    Indeed, here is Jamis rep showing the M.Y. 2010 5"-travel FS 650B (maybe my next bike; video is on right close to top) http://www.bikeradar.com/?clipId=1441

    To confirm: Canondale Rush 3 Carbon will accept F/R 650B as is/stock? If yes, a used XL sample of this bike may be the only thing keeping me from the new Jamis FS 650B.

    I'm probably very wrong but would take a resonable bet that within about five years the 650B rage may make 26 or 29 models extinct beyond the Wal Mart price category, where 26ers will be relegated...29ers being completely non-existent. But of course there are marketing & other forces at hand...it took about six years for BMW to ditch the oawful original I-drive (finally admitting it was completely unacceptable by any known standard).

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    Rotwild David Ergon Team

    Hey

    Look at the frame from Dave, its a Rotwild bike (German Brand)

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    Will C'dale Rush 6 accpet F/R 650b?

    Subject says it all.

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    ... and if we just ... Cannondale Prophet

    Works well on a c'dale prophet, just need the spacer in the lefty. Bike is a bullet with the bigger wheels.
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    I thought the Lefty 110 mm did not need the spacer with a 650b, only if you run a 29er up front

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    God willing, early the week of 21 June an '08 Specialized Carbon Epic Expert will arrive for 650b retrofit. Will report proceedings to class ASAP.

    Per member "TNC”:
    '06-'08 carbon Epics fit 2.35 Neo Motos no problem...
    TNC saw plenty of clearance on a 650b-equipped '07 Epic Carbon in his shop (that is the only Epic/650b w/ which he has personal experience). A Specialized forum poster is 80%-90% sure the '08 frame is unchanged. Shop person packing the bike estimates plenty of clearance for 650b. Keeping fingers crossed but all indications are optimistic for clearance & no known nay-sayers.

    An '09 Epic Expert ("lowly" aluminum...just kidding) was a lots of fun on pavement only; the Carbon & 650b retrofit should be all good in the Wasatch Range. I'm age 55 & will take all the help I can get!
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    I am running a 130 Max on the prophet, and yes definitely needed the spacer. Would assume the same is true on the 110, as they put 30mm in for 80 that is used with the 29". Really easy to check, either remove the spring or reduce the pressure and the compress the shock to the stops. It will either hit the stops or the wheel bottom out on the steered tube bracket.

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    I had narrowed my choice to the Epic Carbon mentioned above or a C'dale Rush Carbon. I bought the Epic, which was the first XL to appear at a good price. My height was an advantage; it would have sold earlier if it was a S, M or L.

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    [QUOTE=Rillburgher] The combo of Nevegal 2.1 rear and Neo 2.3 up front, both run tubeless, provides huge traction in turning and climbing. [QUOTE]
    Am I missing some thing?
    There's a Kenda Nevegal 650B?

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    I've got a Nevegal 27.5 x 2.1 that is riding very well tubeless on Stan's 355 rim. Looks like 2.35 and other models are coming available too.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?p=5767372

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    650b yes: '08 Specialized Epic Carbon

    My used like new bike described above arrived today; OH soooo VERY sweeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!

    Sorted out a few minor problems & will finally get to ride the Bonneville Shoreline Trail (runs N-S on the W foothill of the Wasatch Range, E border of Cache Valley UT) tomale morning. Frankly, after riding a couple of blocks on badly rutted dirt & a couple miles on pavement, the bike is so much faster than my FSR Stumpy that I might delay the 650b wheelset upgrade till next season. Truly, it is so much fun it reminds me more than anything else of the first time I learned to ride.

    I was flying much faster than ever before in the dirt; so much so that I did (or could) not see a huge rut; the bike jerked & my right foot flew off the pedal, a rare occurence for me. The shocking part was that the bike didn't miss a beat & just kept flying till my mind caught up w/ it & I continued pedaling. I have never flown up hills like this before.

    Eyeball test says way plenty clearance for +1/2" greater radius of 650b; even the 2.3 Neo Moto should have plenty of clearance.

    The '08 Epic has the shock mounted on the seat stays, not forward mounted as per current '09, which at the Specialized dealer appears to LACK clearance for rear 650b (front maybe).
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    Jamis Exile

    Wanted to build up a 650B single speed and Jenson's is selling Jamis Exiles for cheap. It will fit a Quasi-Moto 2.0" without any trouble. Unfortunately, I want to run a Neo-Moto 2.3" and I don't think there is going to be enough room. Looks like I will try and find a Surly 1X1.
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    Soma 4one5

    Does anyone know if a Soma 4one5 will fit a 2.3" Neo-Moto 2.3?

    Thanks

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    rather B: where was the axle positioned in the horizontal dropout when that photo was taken? any clue?

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    Don't know how similar the Exile and Dragon frame dimensions are but for what it's worth, I just installed a set of American Classic wheels and Neo Motos on a 2007 Jamis Dragon Team. With the big cornnering lugs on the Neo's, the clearances between the outside tips of those lugs and the insides of the seat stays and chain stays is about 4mm. The clearance at the bridge across the seat stays is a lot better. I know that others have suggested shaving off some of the cornering lug material and that would definitely help but I just don't like doing that.
    I rode them on nearly dry trails and loved the feel. I don't race so I don't have to ride in the mud but if I do, I'll either take another bike or put the 26" wheels back on for that ride.
    My Dragon was bought as a frameset rather than a built-up bike and I know for a fact (confirmed by Jamis) that the two had slightly different geometries in 2007. It's a long story that I won't bore you with but if anyone is keenly interested, drop me a mail and I'll explain. I don't think the differences (mainly in the length of the head tube and related angles) would affect the clearances at the stays but I'm not certain.
    As an aside (I know it's supposed to go in the fork forum) the 2006 Manitou 100mm R7 that I have on the Dragon also gives about 4mm clearance at the arch and there is absolutley no issue with crown clearance with the air relieved and fork fully compressed.

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    Jamis Exile & Dragon

    You'll see this as a separate post also as I thought that I was sending it out as a reply to the Jamis Exile Post. Anyhow, I'm doing it again with the correct title so that you definitley see it.

    Don't know how similar the Exile and Dragon frame dimensions are but for what it's worth, I just installed a set of American Classic wheels and Neo Motos on a 2007 Jamis Dragon Team. With the big cornnering lugs on the Neo's, the clearances between the outside tips of those lugs and the insides of the seat stays and chain stays is about 4mm. The clearance at the bridge across the seat stays is a lot better. I know that others have suggested shaving off some of the cornering lug material and that would definitely help but I just don't like doing that.
    I rode them on nearly dry trails and loved the feel. I don't race so I don't have to ride in the mud but if I do, I'll either take another bike or put the 26" wheels back on for that ride.
    My Dragon was bought as a frameset rather than a built-up bike and I know for a fact (confirmed by Jamis) that the two had slightly different geometries in 2007. It's a long story that I won't bore you with but if anyone is keenly interested, drop me a mail and I'll explain. I don't think the differences (mainly in the length of the head tube and related angles) would affect the clearances at the stays but I'm not certain.
    As an aside (I know it's supposed to go in the fork forum) the 2006 Manitou 100mm R7 that I have on the Dragon also gives about 4mm clearance at the arch and there is absolutley no issue with crown clearance with the air relieved and fork fully compressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    rather B: where was the axle positioned in the horizontal dropout when that photo was taken? any clue?
    I don't have my rear wheel built up yet so I was using a front 650B wheel that I have. I had the axle right in the center of the horizontal dropouts. I remember seeing somewhere the measurement of the Neo-Moto is 58mm give or take 3mm so it may fit but it would be really close.

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    2001 Schwinn Homegrown pro.... (06' RS Sid)




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    Anyone know if the Giant XTC 2006 + models will work with 650 b front and rear

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    What FS to buy?

    I am in the market to buy a new frame and cannot decide on which frame. I'm looking at a Ventana El Bastardo, Ibis Mojo SL, or Santa Cruz Blur LTc. I beleive all are 650b compatible and have a 140mm of rear travel. What are the major differances in these bikes? I am not the kind a of person that is going to hit 3 foot drops, but here in AZ the terrain can get nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alien too
    I am in the market to buy a new frame and cannot decide on which frame. I'm looking at a Ventana El Bastardo, Ibis Mojo SL, or Santa Cruz Blur LTc. I beleive all are 650b compatible and have a 140mm of rear travel. What are the major differances in these bikes? I am not the kind a of person that is going to hit 3 foot drops, but here in AZ the terrain can get nasty.
    One of them was built specifically for 650b (Ventana) and the other two just happen to work.

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    Rear 650b wheel and tire on a Iron Horse Azure ?

    Has anyone tried to fit a Rear 650b wheel and tire on a Iron Horse Azure ?

    Thanks
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    I'm probably going to buy a used Jamis durango frame in the next few days for $50 to see if it fits. From the pictures of the frame (14" size) it doesn't appear to have a chainstay bridge tube behind the BB shell, which should leave plenty of room for the radius of a neo-moto.
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    Specialized Pitch Pro 08, Neo-Moto rear

    I displaced this post, I belive..

    I checked my pitch 08 with the neo-moto on ZTR 355.
    With plenty of space for this tire/rim combination, I decided to order a pair of blunts, and will be riding neo rear and nevegal 2.35 front. I have a RS pike coil, which came with the bike. From what I can judge the pike will accept the nevegal 2.35 without problems.

    The tires and rims will be shipped from the US to Norway. Receive the tires and rims within 2 weeks (I hope), will post some pictures as soon as I am done building the wheels.

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    Good job! Specialized Pitch Pro, Neo-Moto rear, no prob...

    I checked my pitch 08 with the neo-moto on ZTR 355.
    With plenty of space for this tire/rim combination, decided to order a pair of blunts, and will be riding neo rear and nevegal 2.35 front. I have a RS pike coil, which came with the bike. From what I can judge the pike will accept the nevegal 2.35 without problems.

    The tires and rims will be shipped from the US to Norway. Receive the tires and rims within 2 weeks (I hope), will post some pictures as soon as I am done building the wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob H.
    I thought the Lefty 110 mm did not need the spacer with a 650b, only if you run a 29er up front
    I can verify that a DLR2 does not require a spacer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    Subject says it all.
    Depends on year. 2007 and below with a lefty yes. 2008 and later require the removal of the swingarm brace.

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    Turner Bikes?

    Any word on compatiblity of:

    08 flux tnt
    08 spot tnt
    09 flux dw
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    Will 650b fit any of the below?
    2007 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Pro Carbon XL
    2008 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Pro Carbon XL
    2009 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Expert Carbon XL

    TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReD_tomato
    This is encouraging.

    I've got a Moab 69er which I'm considering turning into a 650B bike. I admit it's no Homegrown, but there may be similarities in the geometry. What's the chainstay length on your Homegrown?

    Would you mind posting photos of the rear tire clearance in the chainstay-BB area? I'd very much appreciate it.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Check out this Transition Trans AM. Looks promising for an AM 650B conversion, no?

    https://www.transitionbikes.com/2007/TransAM.cfm

    Sliding drop outs

    https://www.sicklines.com/gallery/sh...hp/photo/10782


    Looks like plenty of clearance at the seatstay. They claim it 'easily fits up to 2.5" rear tire'.

    No moss...

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    One apparently highly authoritative source quoted 26" radiuis + 1/2" = 650b. 26" radius = 13" + 1/2" = 13-1/2" radius x2 = 27" diameter for 650b.

    Haro's 2009 catalog lists wo unsuspended 650b MTB w/ "27-1/2 wheel diameter" (exactly half-way between 26 & 29).

    Lucy 'splain! Above data mutually exclusive.

    This is not academic but rather may spell the differenece between fitting & not fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro7939
    One apparently highly authoritative source quoted 26" radiuis + 1/2" = 650b. 26" radius = 13" + 1/2" = 13-1/2" radius x2 = 27" diameter for 650b.

    Haro's 2009 catalog lists wo unsuspended 650b MTB w/ "27-1/2 wheel diameter" (exactly half-way between 26 & 29).

    Lucy 'splain! Above data mutually exclusive.

    This is not academic but rather may spell the differenece between fitting & not fitting.
    ..the operative term in that sentence being "apparently"...

    Cheers,

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    As Cracked Headtube reports, my '08 Specialized Epic Carbon Expert 100mm travel front/rear accepts 650b. My trail is so gnarly that I miss my heavier alloy Stumpy. Selling Epic for $2249.

    I'm 6-3, 34-1/2 inseam; fits OK but bordering small so my guesstimate is OK fit for 5-11 to 6-3.

    Shipping carton & packing material intact. Suggest local pro for packing. High-rez pics & details later in classifieds (gotta wash her up & kiss her goodbye).

    A Carbon FS 650b for the price of a new carbon frame + wheels. (BTW, '09 Epic does NOT accept 650b.)

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    as for the Turner 09 dw flux, the rear is a bit tight with 2.25 26 inch rear tires.
    I do have a 650b on the front though with a fox 100mm fork. took the head angle out
    to 70.5 degrees
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    Hope SINISTER Mustang 650b Conversion?

    I was wondering if converting a Sinister Mustang to 650b would work, and so I tried it. Well...it didn't work with the stock rear drop outs, and so a after a brief conversation regarding wheel fit possibilities I borrowed my friend's Simon Bar 29er geared drops and switched out the original Mustang d-outs. After the Simon Bar swap the 650b tire worked (Sort of)

    Though I used Quasi-Moto tires, I was still forced to run the rear pressure at just under 30lb in order to keep tire from tubbing on seatstay bridge. The low pressure works fine for slower rides along the hilly/mushy/damp NE trails, but this weekend before heading to the NEMBA ride I'm going to install the lower volume 2.1 Interloc FireXC Pro in hopes of gaining more clearance in the 38psi range.

    Oh well...This evening I will post some pics of the converted bike and I will update this thread after trying out the IRD rear tire for fit + overall ride functionality. If the IRD works on the rear of my Stang, I'm going to swap out the front and the Quasi-Moto's will need to find a new home along with the crappy Judy SL Fork (Fox will be substituted now that I know the 650b conversion took)

    *UPDATE* The Fire XC Pro was installed on rear wheel this evening and it gave a good deal more tire clearance @ seatstay bridge. Pics with Fire XC Pro should be up soon
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    Please do post up pics of the 650b Mustang. Also can you double check and confirm fit on a Ridge? Sounds like you know a few people with Sinisters - surely one of them must have a Ridge no?

    Cheers,

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    Ridge 650b candidate?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Please do post up pics of the 650b Mustang. Also can you double check and confirm fit on a Ridge? Sounds like you know a few people with Sinisters - surely one of them must have a Ridge no?

    Cheers,

    Mark

    Hey Mark,
    The Sinister riders that I know have several DNAs, but I will need to ask around about a Ridge. Hopefully that owner (if I find one) will allow me to hijack their rig for a weekend of 650b testing
    Regards
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    Pitch B, Specialized Pitch with Velocity Blunt 650B

    Finally the bike is ready for some action
    The clearance to the rear triangle hasn't been giving any kinds of problems during my initial testing.

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    Very rad bike!

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    That front tire, fork arch clearance scares the poop outta me. I don't think I'd want to ride around here with that little clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    That front tire, fork arch clearance scares the poop outta me. I don't think I'd want to ride around here with that little clearance.
    yes, the troll killer is back. the F1 season is long and it keeps tk busy...

    mmcg why, why must you always pop-off with these negative one liners that add nothing to the conversation? fortunately, you only live vicariously through others and will never be put at risk by this close fitting fork and tire combination. besides whats to be scared of? having the poop scared out of you is probably a familiar feeling for a turd like yourself.

    que te vaya bien,

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    Quote Originally Posted by troll killer
    yes, the troll killer is back. the F1 season is long and it keeps tk busy...

    mmcg why, why must you always pop-off with these negative one liners that add nothing to the conversation? fortunately, you only live vicariously through others and will never be put at risk by this close fitting fork and tire combination. besides whats to be scared of? having the poop scared out of you is probably a familiar feeling for a turd like yourself.

    que te vaya bien,

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    Welcome back buddy!

    Where have ya been? Formula 1 racing? wow - cool stuff. Must be nice to live life in the fast lane with all those fancy cars, and pretty women eh?


    I'm still not quite sure what your beef is with me, but as I've offered before, feel free to contact me privately or publicly with your "issues" that you have with me. Anytime you want to write, you can reach me at [email protected].

    Cheers,

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    Back to the bike that Specialized Pitch looks awesome no clearance issues with the rear tire I can see. The 64 dollar question is how does it ride? That bike has a 14" high BB unsagged with a 26" wheel so it is even higher with 650B. Love to hear a ride report!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gulprincipia
    Finally the bike is ready for some action
    The clearance to the rear triangle hasn't been giving any kinds of problems during my initial testing.

    MG
    I agree with Jeremy; that bike is rad!

    The orange rims are sweet!

    Cheers,

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    I think the bike is Rad too - I'd just opt for a Neomoto in front instead of the Nevegal is all. I guess I should have been more clear on that to appease the troll killer and all.

    I really think the Pitch is a hidden gem in the Big S lineup. Lotsa bang for the buck for those bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I really think the Pitch is a hidden gem in the Big S lineup. Lotsa bang for the buck for those bikes.
    I have to agree with that ... I rented one at Bootleg during my bachelor party and was pretty impressed. Rode with the PP on until the big downhill at the end ... it was pretty tame for a solid AM bike throughout most of the ride.

    When we pointed downhill for the last few miles with the PP off and the seat down, it really begged for me to hurt myself.

    The BB didn't seem abnormally high to me, infact i had a few pedal strikes in the rocks ... that bike with 650s would absolutely rip ... i remember thinking that if i was on my 29er i would be going way too fast down the last couple miles of trail. they were all smooth and down, more momentum would be scary.

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    There's a 650B Rocky Mountain Vertex on ebay so I assume that can be added to the list.

    http:/http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...1#ht_500wt_977
    No moss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    I agree with Jeremy; that bike is rad!

    The orange rims are sweet!

    Cheers,

    KP
    Thanks guys,

    Now that I have had time to test the bike, I can confirm that the bigger wheels have improved the general impression of the bike. Not that the bike was boring before, but now I have even more confidence at high speeds, and slightly better BB clearance.

    The Neo-Moto also has surprisingly good grip. I started out by mounting it opposite the rolling direction, but turned it to the right direction as I believe and experience that I have the same amount of climbing traction.

    I am 186cm = 6.1 feet and the SP Pitch is size L. With the 650b wheels the proportions of the bike, feels and look more suitable.

    I am going to set up the rear tire as a ghetto tubeless, after having 2 occasions of snakebite within 20 minutes of my first ride (35psi). Currently I am running with tubes at 38-40psi rear, in the Norwegian woods that’s right on the limit with my 77kg = 170lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gulprincipia
    The Neo-Moto also has surprisingly good grip. I started out by mounting it opposite the rolling direction, but turned it to the right direction as I believe and experience that I have the same amount of climbing traction.
    MG

    gulprincipia,

    I think your comments are spot on. I have run the tire both ways and can feel no discernible difference in climbing traction. However, there is a marked improvement in braking with the tire running in the correct direction because the square edges bite more when the brakes are applied.

    Cheers,

    KP

    PS: You might consider looking into the new Velocity P35 rim. At 35mm wide it might suit the Pitch better as well as having a more tubeless friendly design.

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    Riva 654 - FS 650B

    Finished my FS 650B last July and finally got it posted here. 100 in the back 120 in front. Kirk P got me started on this and here it is. Bike weighs 24.7 lbs with pedals and the 2.3 tires in front and 2.0 rear. The front triangle is Ti and Turner's 5 Spot in the back.
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    that is awesome.

    is it based off of a stock tnt 5-spot? any geometry numbers?

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    That is one cool lookin bike!

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    Nice job

    Very nice!
    Looks great! Howzit ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sennaster
    that is awesome.

    is it based off of a stock tnt 5-spot? any geometry numbers?
    Head's 70.5 and 73.5 seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enFuego
    Very nice!
    Looks great! Howzit ride?
    Rides plush with the Turner rear end and the Pacenti tires with Stan's No Tubes on ZTR rims. The best way to describe the handling is that it's intuitive. Takes switch backs very well and very stable on fast descents. Saved my ass on an abrupt drop off that I did not expect last Saturday. The BB is 13.1" static.

    I could have just put 650B wheels on a frame that will fit but too many issues and it will just drive me nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    gulprincipia,


    PS: You might consider looking into the new Velocity P35 rim. At 35mm wide it might suit the Pitch better as well as having a more tubeless friendly design.
    I have already ordered a pair of P35
    My first thought was to have nevegals on the P35s and the Neos on the blunts, wet / dry setup. But, if the width of the P35 gives the extra volume and traction I am hoping for, I want to have the option to run them with the Neos as well.

    Therefore I will be experimenting with some ideas on alternative ways of ghetto tubeless setups; the goal is to make it easy to change tires within a tubeless setup.

    MG

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    Out of curiosity, has anyone ever tried (or heard of) a 650b FS Kona frame (ie, Four, One20, or Hei Hei)? I still have to find one in real life, but I can't seem to tell (from online pics) if it would fit the rear end.

    Thanks!

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    Cannondale people... I have a 08 Carbon Rush 2. I used a barrowed rear wheel to try. tire just hits the X brace. It is removable, I don't really know what its there for, but if I remove it I will be in business. I am sure its there for a reason.what do you guys think? I am 145lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    Ok, so I'm going to update this thread, in one post. Get all the convertable frames consolidated, if you will.

    Azonic Revenge

    Bianchi SASS
    Bianchi Oetzi Carbon 2009 (only quasi-moto)

    BMC Team Elite 02, (2.1" and smaller)

    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Cannondale taurine
    Cannondale F3

    Carver 96er

    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Gary Fisher Tass.

    Gunnar Ruffian (older with horizontal dropouts)

    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Haro Sonix VL120,(original Rear triangle) fits the Quasi Moto

    Ibex Atlas

    Ibis Mojo (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    K2 Factory
    K2 Apache 6.0

    Kona Unit (with sliders)
    KONA Coiler Series, (2007)
    Kona

    Marin Rift Zone
    Marin Wolf Ridge 05/06

    Mountain Cycle fury

    Novarra Method

    Surly 1x1, no confirmation but I'm sure the Pugsley would work too.

    Salsa Ala Carte

    Schwinn 01 Homegrown Ltd

    Scott Spark 30

    Sinister Ridge
    Sinister Splinter FS

    Specialized Enduro Elite (checked on 2007 model)
    Specialized Myka
    Specialized Carbon Epic, 2008
    Specialized S-Works Carbon HT

    Spooky Darkside

    Soul Cycles Titan
    Soul Cycles Icon
    Soul Cycles Hooligan G2

    Soma Groove (2.1" and smaller recommended)

    Santa Cruz Chameleon, horizontal dropouts (2.1" and smaller recommended)
    Santa Cruz Heckler
    Santa Cruz Bullet
    Santa Cruz BLT2

    Trek 930/950/970 1999 fit the QUASI-MOTO

    Ventana El Chamuco
    VooDoo Bokor (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Wanga (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Sobo (2.1" and smaller tire recommended)
    Does anyone know exactly what years of the Fisher Tass will fit a 650b? I found a 2004, but would like to make sure. Thanks

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    2001 Titus SwitchBlade - some crappy cell pics from test fitment this weekend. No real rides yet but I will be taking it out tomorrow.

    Fork is 2003 TALAS 32 set 4 clicks from bottom (~ 92mm, 3mm per click), the rear link is in the 4.5" travel setting so should still be in the 70-70.2 HT angle range. Didn't measure BB height but seems to be close to factory specs for 4.5" rear/100mm front (~ 13") - can't beat an adjustable platform like the Switchblade for playing with wheels!



    TALAS with room to spare, running ~20 PSI higher to reduce chance of crown contact - looks to have more room than a current Fox fork.



    On a lark also tried the rear wheel with the 2.3 Neo Moto... and it fit! My only concern is the chance of contact with the shock at max travel.



    Lots of room in the stays, if I convert the rear (for now 26/650b) likely will run a 2.1 in back.


    ...strictly downhill...

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    titus switchblade

    I have a titus switchblade and have put my 650b in there, but had problems with
    the front der. rubbing tire in small ring. The fit looks like your photos, the 2.1 might
    work better for me. No test rides on this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moia
    I have a titus switchblade and have put my 650b in there, but had problems with
    the front der. rubbing tire in small ring. The fit looks like your photos, the 2.1 might
    work better for me. No test rides on this bike.
    I only run two rings in front so that might help also - 44T/29T.

    Took the Titus up the hill with the 650 in front, usually average 8MPH on the Titus and 10 MPH on my 29er hardtail...you guessed it, 9MPH average heart rate was also between my max on 26er and 29er. Too funny. PS the bike felt great, gonna slap some bits on that rear wheel and try it full 650.



    ...strictly downhill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericb49
    I only run two rings in front so that might help also - 44T/29T.

    Took the Titus up the hill with the 650 in front, usually average 8MPH on the Titus and 10 MPH on my 29er hardtail...you guessed it, 9MPH average heart rate was also between my max on 26er and 29er. Too funny. PS the bike felt great, gonna slap some bits on that rear wheel and try it full 650.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    gulprincipia,

    I think your comments are spot on. I have run the tire both ways and can feel no discernible difference in climbing traction. However, there is a marked improvement in braking with the tire running in the correct direction because the square edges bite more when the brakes are applied.

    Cheers,

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    Kirk,

    I have been wondering about this as I switched to reverse direction in the rear as well, really for no reason. I figured the lack of ramping might grab rocks better in loose traction areas. Question; what purpose does the ramping to the knobs in the correct direction provide; what is the purpose of the ramping?

    One reason I ask is I like the Bontrager Jones as a rear tire in 26er and 29er (other than the thin walls, but I've found the traction to be awesome) which is basically small widely spaced knobs, a little similar to a Neo Moto in a backwards direction. I would imagine the ramping would somehow reduce rolling friction which is why they are so popular?

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    Here are some pics of my Titus Motolite 650b conversion.


    Its also for sale now.
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    I love it,

    Quote Originally Posted by alien too
    Here are some pics of my Titus Motolite 650b conversion.


    Its also for sale now.
    https://classifieds.mtbr.com/showpro...ct=40084&cat=3

    Best looking 650B to date..IMO. This does however raise a question, does anyone know or think that a 07-08 Nicolai Helius CC can be made into a 650B? I love the Nicolai Helius line-up, just the best bikes out there period.( again this is IMHO). But, other than the purely one off custom 29er CC that Karl is making for Whafe at this time, Nicolai has no plans of adding one to their line-up...Thanx in advance......CF.

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    Wow alien too, that's a great bike for $850! You have alot invested there.

    Edit: Duh...I just read the ad, frame only. That's more like it for $850. I thought you were nuts there for a minute.
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    I cannot beleive no one posted these pictures sooner.

    Chumba HX1 - confirmed 650B-able





    BTW the Chumba EVO fits 650B's like a dream but the BB height goes from really tall to nose bleed territory.
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    Very sweet. I had talked with Chumba last year, post Interbike about doing a 650B, I guess Allan wanted to do some testing, but nothing ever manifested...HX1 is a pretty sweet, versatile ride!

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    What are some of the specialized hardtails (Stumpjumper) that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSpuza
    What are some of the specialized hardtails (Stumpjumper) that work?
    I'm pretty sure the Carbon Fiber hardtail will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSteel
    I cannot beleive no one posted these pictures sooner.

    Chumba HX1 - confirmed 650B-able

    Nice

    How does the HX1 ride? It's actually on my lust list, but am wary of the aluminum. Is the ride harsh or not?
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    I'm not... ummm...err...sure....

    We had a frame here headed out to a dealer so I thought we should pop a Neo-Moto/Blunt wheel in it first, just to check.
    I'm sure someone on the Chumba forum could enlighten you as to the prowess of the HX1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSteel
    I'm not... ummm...err...sure....

    We had a frame here headed out to a dealer so I thought we should pop a Neo-Moto/Blunt wheel in it first, just to check.
    I'm sure someone on the Chumba forum could enlighten you as to the prowess of the HX1.
    Oh, I thought it was yours...

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    Ragley 'B' blue pig

    For those after an all-mountain steel hard-tail (like the Transition TransAM), the new Ragleys works nicely with 650b (Kenda 2.1 out back) with plenty of space but alittle tight for the front D when in the granny (but no rubbing yet).
    Got this to replace the too-small On-one 'B'Inbred (both designed by Brant). Rides great for all-mountain/trail but I'd say it's too kicked out for the hardcore x-country type. I've found that it works better with the altered geometry of the new 29er forks (or a G2 26er Fox if you can find one used) as for 650b a regular 38mm offset fork was sloooooooow!
    Without going overboard, this is one hell of a technical decender..... I've been riding it around B.C. where it's been flattering my limited riding skills (sorry no action shots yet, we need to work on remembering to take the camera!).
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    That Ragley is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njsmith
    For those after an all-mountain steel hard-tail (like the Transition TransAM), the new Ragleys works nicely with 650b (Kenda 2.1 out back) with plenty of space but alittle tight for the front D when in the granny (but no rubbing yet).
    Got this to replace the too-small On-one 'B'Inbred (both designed by Brant). Rides great for all-mountain/trail but I'd say it's too kicked out for the hardcore x-country type. I've found that it works better with the altered geometry of the new 29er forks (or a G2 26er Fox if you can find one used) as for 650b a regular 38mm offset fork was sloooooooow!
    Without going overboard, this is one hell of a technical decender..... I've been riding it around B.C. where it's been flattering my limited riding skills (sorry no action shots yet, we need to work on remembering to take the camera!).
    Sweet! The Blue Pig has been on my lust list for a while now... I like the idea of long-travel hardtails.
    I've also been wondering if it's 650B-able. Thanks for confirming. Although it would be nice to find out if the 2.3 Neo would fit out back as well.

    Edit: judging from your 2nd pic, the 2.3 isn't likely to fit. I guess a 2.1 isn't so bad (prefer the Neo over the Nev though).
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    Seriously guys, I wouldn't worry about running more than a 2.1 650b out back on the Ragley. I run a 2.1 back/2.35 front and it's more than adequate for B.C. riding so I suspect it'll be ok for most other places too.

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    Orange R8 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterat Pat
    Back to the bike that Specialized Pitch looks awesome no clearance issues with the rear tire I can see. The 64 dollar question is how does it ride? That bike has a 14" high BB unsagged with a 26" wheel so it is even higher with 650B. Love to hear a ride report!
    Hi WR Pat,
    Now I have had the time to really test the Pitch B, running both tubes and tubeless.

    There is not much to say, except “everything is better”. As one would expect, the increased wheel size makes the bike more stable on descents, but what really amazed me is how much easier it is to maintain the speed when climbing. The bike is in general so much faster, and gives much more confidence. The Pitch is size large, and I am 6.1 so the 650Bs make this bike more complete for every kind of use.

    The increased BB height is just a bonus, which again let me give even more throttle in rough terrain.

    The only thing I miss in the 650B segment is a heavy duty tire, thick walled and with really soft rubber (maybe 42a, could someone close to WTB spread the word?). I am about to build a new 650B wheel set with the P35. I believe this rim will provide some of the heavy duty feeling, together with better low pressure capabilities.

    Two sets of 650B wheels for the pitch, and I will not change it for whatever 26” only bike. The blunts make a good all-round wheel set, its faster than the lighter 26” stuff and gives great grip and confidence, the P35 will hopefully give the extra freeride edge. Running the blunts tubeless is no problem if you can figure out how to keep the bead in place.

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    I installed a 650b Velocity Blunt with Pacenti Quasi-Moto in the rear of a 2002 Specialized Enduro frame and it fit with decent room for mud shedding ability. I did not test it for any frame interference however, but I suspect it would be a "Go" for this range of Enduros which ran from 2002 through 2004 model years before the re-design by the Big S.

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    Help - can you run 650b up front on a 26" Fox Fork?

    I have an Ibis Mojo SL and am interested in trying a 650b up front only. I have a 2010 Fox RLC Fork with 15mm QR. With the right tire, can I go from a 26" wheel to a 650b wheel with the same Fox fork on my Mojo? I haven't done any research yet,...so I hope this question isn't completely stupid.

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    Yes you can - but not with Fox's blessing - but so what, a ton of people are running 650bs and Fox forks. Go for it.

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    Gary Fisher Marlin - No Go.

    A 2.0 Pacenti Quasi will physically fit but the clearances are so tight that I wouldn't dare ride it.

    I can also confirm that the Yeti 575 is a no go. Hits the seat stay bridge solid.

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    Smile looks great

    wonderfull setup and color.

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    somewhat irrelevant, but for those of you who'd like a 650b dirt jumper,
    the Kona Cowan fits 2.35 Nevegals with oodles of room..
    (especially with some sweet custom 12mm thruaxle dropouts! )
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    who made those dropouts? FTW??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    who made those dropouts? FTW??
    Kona

    when the frame was first being introduced (and in the press kits to dealers before the release in 2003), the frames were shown with BMX bottom brackets, and these 12mm dropouts.

    sadly none of these features ever made it to production....

    somehow i got my hands on what may very well be the only set of these drops made.

    here's the pre-production pix of the1st gen Cowan:
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    Performance Alum Mtn frame 650b convertable?

    Has anybody tried using this frame with 650b wheels?

    The name of the frame is rather unspecific and I haven't been able to find much info on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmullins437
    what would a 650B front wheel with a 26er rear wheel be called...? 650/26er...

    Setting up my Salsa Juan Solo this way once I build up the wheel with a winwood carbon fork. Should be fun
    Resurrecting this old thread...

    mmullins, didn't the 650B fit on the back of the Juan Solo? I've got a potentially good deal on an '05 (carbon seat stays) but need to know if the 650Bs would fit, as it's the only size I'll be running from now on (just built up a wheelset for my Schwinn Moab).

    TIA for any updates.
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    P7?

    Quote Originally Posted by fedexil
    Orange R8 2010 650b
    Nice.

    I'd be mighty interested to know if the P7 is 650B-able
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    So 650b DOES work with a newer TALAS 32 fork?

    Anybody try a 650b on the back of their Titus Motolite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LALAW
    Anybody try a 650b on the back of their Titus Motolite?
    Scroll up this thread. "alien too" posted a pic of his.

    PS
    The search function in the forums does work, you know... at least most of the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel
    Scroll up this thread. "alien too" posted a pic of his.

    PS
    The search function in the forums does work, you know... at least most of the time
    I think that particular motolite may have had a custom rear end though.

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    650b Leader frames?

    Has anybody tried 650bs on the LD 516H or 510H frames?
    There were others posts in this thread stating that it should work but i'm reluctant to go in for a frame if I don't even know it will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alien too
    Here are some pics of my Titus Motolite 650b conversion.


    Its also for sale now.
    https://classifieds.mtbr.com/showpro...ct=40084&cat=3
    As far as I know the Motolite is not 650b capable. It can barely run 26" 2.4 tires, much less a 650b. I know because I own one. I would like to see a shot of the clearance at the chainstay.

    And what happened to the upper brace on the seatstay, did you just remove that altogether?

    Sorry but I'm not totally buying this conversion. Can you please provide more details?

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    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...91#post6352591
    You need to add the Bianchi PUSS to the list.

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    Voodoo

    2.35 Nevegal in a Ti Voodoo D-Jab with the SS drops slid most of the way back...



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    So you bought the voodoo eh? Nice one!

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    anyone know if my 2010 Rockhopper SL in size 15" (Small) is 650B compatible?
    shown here with the default 26" tires + 1.5" armadillo nimbus
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    Quote Originally Posted by njsmith
    For those after an all-mountain steel hard-tail (like the Transition TransAM), the new Ragleys works nicely with 650b (Kenda 2.1 out back) with plenty of space but alittle tight for the front D when in the granny (but no rubbing yet).
    Got this to replace the too-small On-one 'B'Inbred (both designed by Brant). Rides great for all-mountain/trail but I'd say it's too kicked out for the hardcore x-country type. I've found that it works better with the altered geometry of the new 29er forks (or a G2 26er Fox if you can find one used) as for 650b a regular 38mm offset fork was sloooooooow!
    Without going overboard, this is one hell of a technical decender..... I've been riding it around B.C. where it's been flattering my limited riding skills (sorry no action shots yet, we need to work on remembering to take the camera!).
    What fork is that in the pic?
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    I was messing around with an 09 Jamis XCT3 frame today at the shop. The frame doesn't have a brace at the seat stays and when I threw a 650x42 (fatty rumpkin) looked like a TON of clearance at the chain stay /BB interface. The shop I work at has nothing bigger than this for a 650b tire but i would hazard a guess that a quasi moto would fit fine and that a Neo would clear but without much room for mud. At first it almost seemed like the new 650b 1 and two were just rebranded xct series frames. (Jamis has done this in the past with the Nova Pro and Aroura Elite) FWIW. Mickey, if you see this get in touch with me, id love to confirm or deny my suspicions.

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    I haven't been able to get a hold of any wider 650b tires but I remembered that in the description of the LaCruz conversion on Bikeman they mentioned that the outer diameter of the stock 700c crossblasters was the same as the quasi's. So i just threw the rear (700x31) wheel from my La Cruz in the Jamis XCT frame. My earlier comment about a rebranded frame was pretty far off but there was maybe 4-7 mm of clearance between the tire and the chainstay bridge. As far as clearance on the chainstays themselves, it looks ample. I'm looking forward to building the frame up as a 650b bike as the stock BB height was much too low for my taste (12in without sag). With a 2010 velvet fork I think this could build up pretty light. Frame, shock headset and seatstay collar weigh in at 6 pounds all told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13
    Check out this Transition Trans AM. Looks promising for an AM 650B conversion, no?

    https://www.transitionbikes.com/2007/TransAM.cfm

    has anyone checked this?
    would be grateful for feedback ...

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    I have been riding this for a while - Titus Eleven XS (same as new Fireline) 650b front and rear. I love the way it handles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibikergal
    I have been riding this for a while - Titus Eleven XS (same as new Fireline) 650b front and rear. I love the way it handles.
    Nice
    Interesting dropout and rear brake mount. Is it swappable for track ends?

    Doesn't look like the 2.3 Neo would fit. Did you try?
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    The dropout can be change for a single speed dropout.

    I have not tried the 2.3 Neo but there may be room.

    Here are a couple more shots to show the clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibikergal
    The dropout can be change for a single speed dropout.

    I have not tried the 2.3 Neo but there may be room.

    Here are a couple more shots to show the clearance.
    Nice.

    Looks like the 2.3 Neo would fit
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    Has anyone tried any of the Orange P series frames yet? I have always like the P7.

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    FYI
    i've been discussing With Chris Canfield for the possibility of converting my One bike to 650b. according to him 650b will not fit in the frame, looking at my frme it will probably fit in the swingarm but due to the long travel i would get tire rub for sure.

    so i will probably be converting to 650b front only....

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    I spoke with Canfield months ago, and gave them wheel dimensions using the Neo-Moto. They ran the numbers and said it wouldn't work.

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    If anyone wants to borrow a pair of 650b wheels w/ Neo Moto's on Vancouver Island they are welcome to it, QR front disc, SS disc rear 135. Would make sizing easy, even if your bike is geared, you could still check out the handling. I'm in Victoria, PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreasaway
    If anyone wants to borrow a pair of 650b wheels w/ Neo Moto's on Vancouver Island they are welcome to it, QR front disc, SS disc rear 135. Would make sizing easy, even if your bike is geared, you could still check out the handling. I'm in Victoria, PM me.
    That's a cool offer. I will offer up a similar gesture here in the state of Connecticut/Western Mass.

    If you are 650b curious - I've got a wheelset and also an extra rear 650b wheel you can try out.

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    thanks a ton!

    Quote Originally Posted by Waterat Pat
    Hey all I found a 2006 Marin Wolf Ridge in a used bike shop that fit the Neo moto rear tire. Cleared the front derailleur and the frame at full compression. 14.5" high BB though with no sag. I also tried a 2008 Marin Mt Vision and it hit the seat tube barely right at full compression. Cleared the FD nicely though. No Pics forgot the camera.
    I have a 2009 Mt. Vision that I was wanting to build to 650, but that answers that. Thanks for posting that, because you just saved me a lot of money and frustration.

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    So I took my rear wheel over to my friends house today who has a medium sized 2006 Yeti 575. The pic quality may not show it but with the 2.3 Neo there's ample room at the seat stays, frt der cage (in the small ring), & the non-drive chainstay side. The drive side is close (1-2mm). It doesn't technically touch but it's damn close...too close for me. I think if someone were to trim the side knobs down they'd be golden to run the 2.3 Neo. I tried the Quasi in there a few months ago and there was, in my opinion, plenty of room. A 2.1 Nevegal might fit nicely back there. We deflated the shock and at absolute bottom-out it could rub a little on the seat tube. Depending on what you set it at and what kind of riding you do (no-go for huckers) it shouldn't be any more of an issue then with most of the other fits out there. In any case, hope this helps.
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    GT Force 1.0 or Sensor 1.0?

    Hello everyone,

    I was looking through the thread and did not notice the mention of any GT bikes. In particular I was wondering about either the Force 1.0 or the Sensor 1.0 since these are the two bikes I am looking at for my next ride. It looks like the fork would be fine since they are both Fox Float 32s but was curious about the rear triangle.

    For that matter, has anyone tried with an older Zaskar frame with a disc brake adapter? My main concern is the seat stay bridge being pretty low on it.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    Check out this blog... some good pics here:

    http://bigdaddymikesblog.blogspot.com/

    Cheers,

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    I know I'm like a Year late but this is what I was searching for. Now I just need to save up the $ for rims, and spokes, Ill just recycle my King hubs.

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    How about a 5 Spot with TNT rear? Does that work?

    [QUOTE=Cracked Headtube]From my personal findings and other's. This list ill also be on my blog if y'all haven't been to it yet: http://650bpalace.blogspot.com also found at www.650Bpalace.com

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    I saw someplace that a TNT Spot rear would also fit 650b. Can anyone confirm that? I have a 04 Spot right now and that would simplify things. Except for moving the f derailleur stop off to the side instead of the back to eliminate tire touch.....

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    I'm not sure if its been mentioned yet but the Banshee Scratch with the axle at the rear most position of the dropouts will work great with a Neo 2.35.

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    that is one unattractive bike..... probably rides well and thats all that matters but that is awful looking

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    Hi all!
    I'm currently running an 650B front wheel (stan's 335, hope pro2 hub, sapim cx-ray spokes) with a dt swiss xmc 130 15qr fork on my giant trance X and loving it.
    However, i was looking for a bike (preferably carbon or Ti) that could handle full 650b wheels fro/rear. I know scott spark does the trick but it's too much XC oriented for my tastes, whereas the ibis mojo has very tight clearance and no dealer here in Greece....
    The new yeti asr-5 looks like it has serious clearance in the back , has anyone checked it out yet? It seems that the seatstay bridge might be tight though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant-Lander
    Hi all!
    I'm currently running an 650B front wheel (stan's 335, hope pro2 hub, sapim cx-ray spokes) with a dt swiss xmc 130 15qr fork on my giant trance X and loving it.
    However, i was looking for a bike (preferably carbon or Ti) that could handle full 650b wheels fro/rear. I know scott spark does the trick but it's too much XC oriented for my tastes, whereas the ibis mojo has very tight clearance and no dealer here in Greece....
    The new yeti asr-5 looks like it has serious clearance in the back , has anyone checked it out yet? It seems that the seatstay bridge might be tight though....

    On second thoughts, from a pic in this article : http://www.bikemagic.com/gear-news/y...ride/7658.html it seems that there barely is clearance for 2.25 26' nobby nics......

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    Did Alien ever reply to the how to on the Motolite? The picture posted indicated the upper brace was removed from the rear triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant-Lander
    Hi all!
    However, i was looking for a bike (preferably carbon or Ti) that could handle full 650b wheels fro/rear. I know scott spark does the trick but it's too much XC oriented for my tastes, whereas the ibis mojo has very tight clearance and no dealer here in Greece....
    You might look into the Santa Cruz Blur LT Carbon, it reportedly fits a 650b in the rear. I tried to dig up some pics of any LT2 (alum or carbon) with a 650b but was unable to find anyone willing to help out. I remain skeptical.

    Also, the Mojo HD is supposed to have more clearance than the previous models. I have not seen pics of that setup either, but admittedly haven't really looked for any.

    Quote Originally Posted by tennessee17
    Did Alien ever reply to the how to on the Motolite? The picture posted indicated the upper brace was removed from the rear triangle.
    I'm pretty sure that rear was hacked up for the sole purpose of resale. I would strongly advise against those mods.

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    Pretty weird application, but do you think this would work ok as a Ti 650B frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant-Lander
    Pretty weird application, but do you think this would work ok as a Ti 650B frame?
    The bb height might be a tad on the low side though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant-Lander
    Pretty weird application, but do you think this would work ok as a Ti 650B frame?
    You could probably have a 650b version made pretty easily...

    Cheers,

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    THIS IS NOT CONVERTED!!!

    This is my 2010 Specialized Stumpy, Fox 80mm fork, Specialized 2.0 tires front and rear...do you guys think it would be possible to do a 650b conversion?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    You could probably have a 650b version made pretty easily...

    Cheers,

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    You mean custom ordered by Brant or just pick up a regular ragley Ti which has enough clearance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant-Lander
    You mean custom ordered by Brant?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant-Lander
    You mean custom ordered by Brant or just pick up a regular ragley Ti which has enough clearance?
    I've seen the blue pig converted to 650b, fwiw.

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    Nickel and Butcher?

    How 'bout Santa Cruz's new Nickel and Butcher?

    (Update) I found out from SantaCruz, that they have not tried a 27.5/650B tire in the back of their new Nickel. So they modeled a Pacenti Neomoto 2.3 on a computer, using an outer diameter of 690mm and a width of 58mm. These are the results:

    nTire Clearance to ST at Bottom Out = 8.9
    Tire Clearance to ST cable stop at Bottom Out = 8.4mm
    Tire Clearance to seat stay = 9mm
    Tire Clearance to chain stay = 11mm
    It will also raise your BB by 5mm

    Santa Cruz,"The Nickel is designed to fit a fairly tall 26 x 2.5 tire which isnΉt really
    that much different than a 650B x 2.3 height wise."
    "We haven't actually physically
    tested the Nickel with any 650b rear wheels so your results may vary.
    We only can say with 100% certainty that a 26" wheel with a fairly tall tire
    (685mm Diameter) will not have any clearance issues"
    "Again, we don't necessarily recommend it but it might work"

    The Nickel is appealing to me because its 5" of travel suits my riding more than the Heckler's 6" travel. However, The Nickel also weighs .72 pounds more than a Heckler. Not a ridiculous amount, but a tad unreasonable, I think, because less travel usually equates to less weight on full sus bikes.
    I'm still interested, because the quality of the ride on the new Nickel could be that much better than the Heckler to forgive the weight penalty.
    I guess I'll have to wait til Mid-June to find out for reals.
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    Does anyone know about the rear tire clearance on an aluminum Scott Scale? If anyone has one, can you post some pics of the rear to get an idea if 650b wheels will fit? Thanks!

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    Blur XC carbon - not enough clearance

    Tried a 650 with a quasi moto on my Blur XC carbon. While there was initially plenty of room, once the rear shock is depressed completely, it rubs on the seat tube and the front derailur cable that is routed along the seat tube. It does only rub in the last bit of the shocks travel so if you could put some type of spacer or bumper that would limit the last 1/2", it might work.

    As is however, if you were to bottom out, you'd likely grind your tire along that pretty carbon seat tube, not to mention throw your front deraillur all out of what from the tire rubbing on the cable.

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    650b frame tests from Sea Otter 2010

    All these are 2010 frames, except one frame noted, most which do clear 650b are very tight clearance.

    5.0 – 6.7 inch Frames that clear 650b x 2.3, may need a small shock travel limiting shim

    Ellsworth: Epiphany (tested - clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Titus: Guapo (2008 – 2009 only)
    Knolly: Endorphin (2.1 max)
    Jamis: Dakar, Parker
    Santa Cruz: Heckler, Butcher, Nickel, Blur Carbon BLT Carbon
    Orange: Alpine (160mm), Five (140mm), St4 (120mm)
    Foes: XCT, FXR
    Intense: Uzzi VP
    Pivot: Firebird (tested - clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Ibis: Mojo (may require small travel limit shim depending on shock, except HD easily clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Evil: Revolt
    Specialized: Stumpjumper, Epic
    Trek: Scratch, Remedy
    GT: Sensor (2.0 max), Force , Force Carbon
    Rocky Mountain: Slayer (2.2 max), Altitude (2.2 max)
    Marin: Mt. Vision, Wolf Ridge


    5.0 – 6.7 inch Frames that do not clear 650b:

    Ellsworth: Moment
    Titus: Guapo (2010)
    Banshee: (all)
    Commencal: (all)
    Santa Cruz: Blur, BLT, Nomad, Nomad Carbon
    Yeti: (all)
    Felt: (all)
    Specialized: Enduro Carbon
    Trek: Top Fuel
    BMC: (all)

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    Quote Originally Posted by derby
    All these are 2010 frames, except one frame noted, most which do clear 650b are very tight clearance.

    5.0 – 6.7 inch Frames that clear 650b x 2.3, may need a small shock travel limiting shim

    Ellsworth: Epiphany (tested - clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Titus: Guapo (2008 – 2009 only)
    Knolly: Endorphin (2.1 max)
    Jamis: Dakar, Parker
    Santa Cruz: Heckler, Butcher, Nickel, Blur Carbon BLT Carbon
    Orange: Alpine (160mm), Five (140mm), St4 (120mm)
    Foes: XCT, FXR
    Intense: Uzzi VP
    Pivot: Firebird (tested - clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Ibis: Mojo (may require small travel limit shim depending on shock, except HD easily clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Evil: Revolt
    Specialized: Stumpjumper, Epic
    Trek: Scratch, Remedy
    GT: Sensor (2.0 max), Force , Force Carbon
    Rocky Mountain: Slayer (2.2 max), Altitude (2.2 max)
    Marin: Mt. Vision, Wolf Ridge


    5.0 – 6.7 inch Frames that do not clear 650b:

    Ellsworth: Moment
    Titus: Guapo (2010)
    Banshee: (all)
    Commencal: (all)
    Santa Cruz: Blur, BLT, Nomad, Nomad Carbon
    Yeti: (all)
    Felt: (all)
    Specialized: Enduro Carbon
    Trek: Top Fuel
    BMC: (all)
    Weird to see Commencal on the list as A Nony Moose easily fit a 650b with Neomoto in back on an earlier generation Meta 5.5 frame.

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    Here's a shot from Sea Otter of an HD with a 2.4, looks like a 2.6 would be pretty tight, but it's still hard to tell from this angle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by salimoneus
    Here's a shot from Sea Otter of an HD with a 2.4, looks like a 2.6 would be pretty tight, but it's still hard to tell from this angle...
    I fit my Pacenti 2.3 x 650b in an HD with 1/4 inch clearance in the yoke and about 1/2 inch to the seat tube when bottomed out. The larger volume Kenda Nevegal 2.35 x 650b should clear too.

    I do still need to get a 12mm axle conversion for my rear Hadley and test ride the HD with 650b front and rear. The BB height would be about 14.25" topped out. With deep sag and the longer wheelbase that BB height should be no issue, actually desirable for heavier riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Weird to see Commencal on the list as A Nony Moose easily fit a 650b with Neomoto in back on an earlier generation Meta 5.5 frame.
    Like Titus did with the Guapo in 2010 they may have tightened up the wheel fit tolerance to increase stay stiffness, or shorten stay length.

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    This RM looks very promising for rear wheel clearance.....

    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...eam-rsl--25784

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant-Lander
    This RM looks very promising for rear wheel clearance.....

    https://www.bikeradar.com/news/artic...eam-rsl--25784
    Yea from what you can see the bottom looks pretty good..


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    Keep in mind the tires he's using are really really little XC race things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Keep in mind the tires he's using are really really little XC race things.
    Yea, but that's about what I'd expect to see on a 100mm carbon XC race bike, well at least the fork is 100mm I don't know about the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salimoneus
    Yea, but that's about what I'd expect to see on a 100mm carbon XC race bike, well at least the fork is 100mm I don't know about the frame.
    Right - but clearance with skinny XC race tires in 26" form - does not mean there will be good clearance with 650bs even with say Quasi 2.0s - get what I'm driving at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Right - but clearance with skinny XC race tires in 26" form - does not mean there will be good clearance with 650bs even with say Quasi 2.0s - get what I'm driving at?
    I was just using the standard 1/2" rule, going from a 2.0 in a 26er to a 2.0 in 650b, there appears to be lots of room. Do you think the 1/2" rule is way off the mark in this case? Even if it's a bit off, there appears to be well over an inch of room, I can't see how a 2.0 Quasi would not fit back there, assuming clearance everywhere else is good.

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    Pipedream Sirius R853 is also good for a 650b tire, actually it's made for this tire to fit.. And you know what? It's mine on the 20th of May and it's sure going to roll on 650b when the economy allows it!

    !!Steel is STILL real!!

    http://www.pipedreamcycles.com/sirius_2010.html

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    That Sirius is a seriously cool bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    That Sirius is a seriously cool bike!
    I don't think there is one steelframe out there which is more cool than the Pipedream! And then the price of just 295£ for a top-of-the-line steelframe made of Reynolds R853, which as we all know, is the best

    I'm soooooooo looking forward to try it - hopefully with 650b before autumn..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    That Sirius is a seriously cool bike!
    +1

    edit: wait.. can we not GET those in the U.S.?

    that would make me want one even more..
    am i calculating the prices correctly?
    $450US for the 853 and $1067U.S. for the Ti version?

    seems inexpensive... possibly even 'affordable'!
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    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the NeoMoto as a tubeless candidate. Even as a non-UST tire, it is working out just fine on the front of a Nomad at the moment. I've got a full 10 rides on this setup in horrendously rocky terrain that eats lesser tires with sidewall cuts and rock punctures. The traction, surefootedness, and durability of this tire appear to be more than adequate...in fact, on par with some of the best tires I've run.

    I will agree with you on the dual air Rev being an excellent fork. For a 3.75lb., 130mm, QR fork, it's one of the best. I have one on a light weight trail Bullit...love it.
    My Pushed RS Pike is incredible! It just tracks like no fork I have ever owned. It truly acts like a motocross fork. I'm thinking about trying a 650B up front with the Pike on my Turner.

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    Specialized Epic

    I was told my my LBS that 650b will not work with 2010 carbon Epic models, so I'd double check before making that change.

    I have 650b wheels on my 2009 Stumpy FSR. Works fine with the stock fox talas fork. Rear wheel fit is very tight between the seat stay bridge & kenda nevegal's however. Maybe clearance enough to insert 2 or 3 pennies stacked together. Front derailleur clearance is fine.

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    Thanks for the info, how tight was the 650/Neo on the SC Butcher and would it need any travel mods?

    I sold my Prophet to buy a new bike but decided I want to stick with the 650B, I was about to order a Heckler but the Butcher looks nice and has ISCG tabs but would still go Heckler if it fit better.



    Quote Originally Posted by derby
    All these are 2010 frames, except one frame noted, most which do clear 650b are very tight clearance.

    5.0 – 6.7 inch Frames that clear 650b x 2.3, may need a small shock travel limiting shim

    Ellsworth: Epiphany (tested - clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Titus: Guapo (2008 – 2009 only)
    Knolly: Endorphin (2.1 max)
    Jamis: Dakar, Parker
    Santa Cruz: Heckler, Butcher, Nickel, Blur Carbon BLT Carbon
    Orange: Alpine (160mm), Five (140mm), St4 (120mm)
    Foes: XCT, FXR
    Intense: Uzzi VP
    Pivot: Firebird (tested - clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Ibis: Mojo (may require small travel limit shim depending on shock, except HD easily clears seat tube at bottom travel)
    Evil: Revolt
    Specialized: Stumpjumper, Epic
    Trek: Scratch, Remedy
    GT: Sensor (2.0 max), Force , Force Carbon
    Rocky Mountain: Slayer (2.2 max), Altitude (2.2 max)
    Marin: Mt. Vision, Wolf Ridge


    5.0 – 6.7 inch Frames that do not clear 650b:

    Ellsworth: Moment
    Titus: Guapo (2010)
    Banshee: (all)
    Commencal: (all)
    Santa Cruz: Blur, BLT, Nomad, Nomad Carbon
    Yeti: (all)
    Felt: (all)
    Specialized: Enduro Carbon
    Trek: Top Fuel
    BMC: (all)

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    Yo A.Moose (aka: Senior Bolsillos Caliente),
    Cinco feliz de Mayo!

    853 main tubes/front triangle w//4130 rear end=$460 including the 10 quid postage within the UK (not sure what they will charge to post a frame to the states)

    Can't you score an 853 Bizango for basically the same price (that frame speaks 650b)?

    PS: My Blunts are anodized blue

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    Does anyone know if the Specialized Epic Comp (2010) will fit 650b? Someone said yes, someone said no.

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    Any bargain priced steel frames fit 650b?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc D
    Any bargain priced steel frames fit 650b?
    I have a 26" monocog. It presents some problems- with a 2.1 Nev on a Synergy rim, it has to be pretty far in the dropouts for good mud clearance. I can take photos if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc D
    Any bargain priced steel frames fit 650b?

    Depending on your definition of "bargain", the ragley "blue pig" and pipedream will do the trick.
    I've ordered a "blue pig" myself and i'm waiting for the frame to arrive and be build....

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    Ibis Mojo

    Ibis Mojo w/ front Stan's ZTR/355 650b w/ Nevegal 2.1 x 27.5 on a 2010 32-Talas-150 RLC/QR15 - after riding Mojo for 3.5 years & having found it an absolute dream, I recently put 650b on front (26 on rear)- what an amazing discovery - all this time I didn't think Mojo riding could get any better! I love the new rake for manualing; it's much more stable on technical downhill; I needed the seat back a bit anyway (can't use off-set as I have Gravitydropper Turbo 2/4); and having a bit more clearance for pedals is nice. On technical uphill, lowering Talas to 130 helps significantly. I intend to keep 26" on rear. Note: having let all air out of Talas, the Nevegal 2.1 clears crown bottom by one dime's thickness(!) I suspect that a 2.3 x 27.5 Nevegal would give the same clearance, as it's just the center knobs that come close to crown. (see the Ibis forum for more.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    If I missed something that someone has confirmed, please add it!!!

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    Perhaps someone here can elaborate on these differences (I apologize if this has been previously discussed, no lock on search – and I didn’t want to start a new thread).

    What are the major differences between 650b and 26in frames?

    I’m sold on the 650b theory and am contemplating on building a new custom 650b frame. I am currently riding a Bianchi MUSS and by far it’s the best geometry I have ever ridden. Upon comparing the geometry from a 650b specific like the Soma B-side against my MUSS, I got the following numbers:

    TT (virtual): B-SIDE = 597mm, MUSS = 593mm
    TT (actual): B-SIDE = 572mm, MUSS = 570mm
    Chainstay: B-SIDE = 429mm, MUSS = 425mm
    Wheelbase: B-SIDE = 1069mm, MUSS = 1064mm
    Standover: B-SIDE = 30.35”, MUSS = 30”
    (Head & seat tube angles identical.)

    Am I missing something here? These look very close with average diff of ±3mm. I’m curious since maybe I am better off just riding the MUSS as is and forget about a new 650b frame that won’t give much advantage to my current bike. I am running the stock steel fork and I plan to go White Brothers rigid eventually. The 26” model axle to crown height is good for 650b, so I should be fine there.

    I’m in the process of slowing upgrading new parts and plan to ride the MUSS anyway with the new wheels, etc. So it may just be that I never get around to a new frame. But still I’d like to know if there are any diff.

    Thanks for any feedback.

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    I have a few more that fit the quasimotos thanks to its narrower width which didn't fit my Neo 235s.

    - 2008 Norco EXC 1.0 hardtail frame
    - 2000-2004 Oryx Equipe and Team XC chromoly hardtail frames
    - Hello Kitty frames (see my thread in the women's section for pics/details)

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    What about...

    BB height?
    Still, it sounds like a pretty close match.

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    Will 650B fits a 26'' Inbred?
    Probably the smallest 29-er rider in the Dutch Mountains.

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    SC Superlight?

    Is this another one that would need a bumper? It looks like there would be enough room.
    Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Yes you can - but not with Fox's blessing - but so what, a ton of people are running 650bs and Fox forks. Go for it.

    ....and who is going to take their fork for service with the 650b wheel attached? Seriously they are so just covering their asses with this shite. How much extra leverage is there going to be anyway. Unless of course they got FOX CSI or is the BSI?

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    litespeed unicoi 26er fits w/ a quasi moto tire....

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