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    I really want to try 650b but...

    I really want to try a 650b bike. I have been seriously considering a Bastardo. The idea sounds great however I hate the fact that I don't have many rim choices. I am a big fan of Stans but I don't trust the 355. I am 200lbs and worry about wasting that rim.

    My 26er is a 2007 Flux with a Fox RLC 32. Should I try a 650b on the front?

    If so, what rim? Velocity Blunt? I have no experience with this brand.

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    Rim Choices abound:

    Sun Equalizer
    Velocity Blunt
    Stans
    Alex Rims - can't remember the model
    Vicious Cycles Rims
    Sun Ringle CR 18s
    And then you could also go for an American Classic wheelset!

    See the list isn't as short as you thought.

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    I went with just a 650b on the front rather than buying a whole new bike. I initially went with the 355 but it only lasted one week before it was toast. I had the wheel rebuilt with a Velocity Blunt and highly recommend this rim. I've been pounding through rock gardens and ledges and it is still nice and true. Velocity makes good rims.

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    I've been on Blunt rims for 1.5 years. They hare holding up well under my 200+ ride weight on a 5.5 inch travel bike riding fairly tame singletrack to high mountain and desert rocky gnarly trails, with occasional small jumps. They have been very reliable all this time for me using Neo-moto's and no more than 30 psi converted to tubeless with Stan's rim strips and sealant.

    If you do 650b front only then lower your handlebars 1/2 inch and bump your seat forward about 1/8 inch and up a tad bit to maintain the same leg reach and fit balance over the wheels and pedals. Otherwise you will be moving your rider weight rearward and handling feels a bit slow.

    The Flux probably doesn't fit 650b in the rear, but you might check with Gregg the warranty manager at Turner Bikes about using '07 5-Spot stays with the Flux frame and rockers that would clear 650b in the back. Gregg has done a few "frankenbikes" with various stays combination to successfully run 650b wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewer90
    I went with just a 650b on the front rather than buying a whole new bike. I initially went with the 355 but it only lasted one week before it was toast. I had the wheel rebuilt with a Velocity Blunt and highly recommend this rim. I've been pounding through rock gardens and ledges and it is still nice and true. Velocity makes good rims.

    If you don't mind me asking, how did you trash the 355 in a week? I am about to pull the trigger on a set.
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    Have you of going Flow 29" and making 69er? Purchasing the new fork aswell.

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    355's are working for me.

    I have recently converted over to the 650B format on the front of my LiteSpeed. I had the wheel built with a Stan's 355, DT swiss spokes and 32 hole Hadley hub. most of our riding is pretty technical, lots of ledges, small drops, rock gardens and cheese graters. So far the 355 has performed very well. I have seen no signs of stress or had any truing issues. I am 6'2 and 250 so I'm not light. I have been completely satisfied with the Stan's rim and wheel. If you like Stan's I would suggest finding a really good wheel builder and have him build you a good prestressed wheel.

    I would be interested to hear how brewer90 managed to destroy a 355 in a week? What terrain and type of riding managed to waste a wheel that quick?

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    Stans really needs to make the Arch in 650b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie
    If you don't mind me asking, how did you trash the 355 in a week? I am about to pull the trigger on a set.
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    It was the front 650b 355. My rear 26" 355 is still doing fine.

    I ride cross country on a 4" travel bike and only weigh 160. I was coming down a short steep side of a creekbed. The trail quickly flattens out in about a three foot distance and then you have a 10" drop off into the smooth gravel creek bed. I came off that drop with the front turned just a little crooked and that was all it took to bend the rim so far we couldn't get it trued back in.

    The wheel was stress relieved when built. I had ridden it about a week and had it touched up again. Maybe I just got a bad rim.

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    This was meant to be a reply to MadDuc.

    I see we are both local. I trashed the wheel on the root drop at Walnut. I was going down the left side.

    Did Hammerhead build your wheel?

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    For Brewer

    Yes, Matt at Hammerhead built both my wheels. I am surprised that the root drop waste a rin like that, did you get in a bind? I have been riding mine most at LGT and so far so good, if I could just find a tire that would hold up in the rocks!

    If you come up with anymore good 650B info, please let me know, you can email me at jfoster1@tmisales.com. I only have about a month on the new wheels, but I am pretty happy so far.

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    Cracked_Headtube asked his comments be removed for accuracy reasons. We've removed them and references to them.

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    I take exception to the negative comments about Stans 355 rims. I have a 650b I built with DT Swiss 2.0/1.8 double butted spokes in a 2X pattern with aluminum nipples on a lefty hub. I've run this wheel for about one year now and I weigh 180 - 185lbs most of the time. I'm fast and ride almost every day. The wheel hasn't shown any sign of weakness and is still straight and true. I think the bad things that happen to a wheel extend from your riding technique or lack of. I've raced this wheel, I jump down trees, and I get some nice air, and the Stans wheel has been great.

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    great... now i have to repeat post about the rims...
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    Ok, so what got deleted... Alex makes the XD-Lite in a 650B, and American Classic orders their rims from Alex, and the AC 650B rim looks exactly like the XD-Lite, aside from decals so you can do the math yourself. The XD-Lite's that I own are 469g and 474g each whichputs them clearly into the weight range of Velocity Blunts, rims which cost a lot more (cdn wholesale on the rims is $20 each, the US retail is likely similar to that). Also the AC hubs are virtually identical to the hubs WTB offers for less money so why anyone would order a wheelset from AC is beyond me.

    The other rim option not listed is the Weinnmann Discovery, which is a loaded touring tandem rim model which is of course, rim brake compatible. Its the rim Haro went with for the Beasley this year. In the 26" format, they are heavy (600g) rims. The 650B and 700C models are more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    ... Also the AC hubs are virtually identical to the hubs WTB offers for less money so why anyone would order a wheelset from AC is beyond me.
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    I asked Mark Slate of WTB what the relation with AC is with the WTB hubs. Mark said that the "WTB internals are the same as AC, the WTB outer shell is heavier duty".

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    Of course others say the WTB hubs are the cheaper version of the AC's... I'd counter that with the AC's are the overpriced more maintenance requiring version of the WTBs. With WTB, you're paying for the quality... with American Classic you're paying for the name (and pretty much ALWAYS have for the history of the company).

    As to the outer shell being heavier duty... at the weight of say the laserdisc lite hubs, I'm not going to complain about them being stronger and cheaper. Its only 15g heavier than the AC Disc 130 hub, and the rears 40g heavier. Sounds like a lot until you realize that that's STILL lighter than a shimano xtr centerlock hubset. As it happens I just emailed WTB to inquire if you can convert an existing QR version laserdisc lite to the QR15 version with an axle/endcap swapout. If so then I'll do that with my 29er wheelset and go with a Fox F29 QR15.
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    I'm about 225-230 nekid and I put the 355's through hell for about a month before I sold them, they are an awesome rim but they flexed like crazy. I found they actually held up pretty well but I could feel them being squirrely particularly under my weight when climbing. Also under me and the Bastardo they felt weak, like they weren't correctly balanced for a bike like that (though I'm sure I could have gotten used this quickly). I have a set of Blunts that look awesome that I haven't laced up yet, and I ride a set of the Sun EQ27s which are awesome. They are about 505g each so a little heavier but solid as a rock. As soon as I hopped on the Suns the bike instantly much more confident and my technical riding noticeably improved... I also have plenty of friends who run them converted tubeless using Stan's strips... I'm sure you've seen my posts on switching to the Bastardo because it was between probably 29er Lenz, Turner, or possibly an El Rey but I didn't want a big 29er full suspension truck, or a fun hoppy 5" 26er like the El Ciclon which is what I really wanted but didn't want the little wheels.. The Bastardo sort of answered all of it. The tires also at least roll a lot more like 29er to me than 26er, noticeable difference in my opinion... You can really feel it each time you replace the tires as dumb as this sounds.. I have about a year pretty much full time on my Bastardo (other than occasional single speed riding) there is seriously not another bike possibly at any budget I'd rather have (other than maybe an '09 Bastardo). That also says a lot for me owning probably 6 different bikes last year alone from 29er to 26er, I tend to flip bikes (and all sorts of stuff) like they were baseball cards, restless always...

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    Here's a review I wrote about my Bastardo (also highlighting a lot of the terrain we ride here in Northern Utah) after about a year... http://www.hazardassembly.com/forums...read.php?t=100

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    is that a stock RLC 100? what model year?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadDuc916
    I have recently converted over to the 650B format on the front of my LiteSpeed. I had the wheel built with a Stan's 355, DT swiss spokes and 32 hole Hadley hub. most of our riding is pretty technical, lots of ledges, small drops, rock gardens and cheese graters. So far the 355 has performed very well. I have seen no signs of stress or had any truing issues. I am 6'2 and 250 so I'm not light. I have been completely satisfied with the Stan's rim and wheel. If you like Stan's I would suggest finding a really good wheel builder and have him build you a good prestressed wheel.
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    is that a stock RLC 100? what model year? No problems clearing the crown?

    BTW I have had no problems with my 355s

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    Please share some more information on the sweet Litespeed TI 650b F setup.. What year is the frame? I am most curious as to whether the frame was designed to account for suspension. Also, Is the Fox Fork an 80 or 100mm... I am working on a plan for retrofitting a 1996 Merlin HT w a 650b front and being real cautious wrt raising up the front end too much between the fork and larger wheel.. please share a ride report.. your bike is killer

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