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    Hardtail in 2019

    Hi,

    I want to buy HT.

    Why there is less 27.5+ bikes in this year?

    I want to have 27.5+ with possibility to change to 29" is it ok?.

    Or should I forget about plus tires and take normall wheels?

    I'm 187cm height.

    What would be better in your opinion:
    Kona honzo big DL
    Whyte 901/905?
    Marin San Quentin 3
    Or sth from nukeproof or commencal?
    Other?

    I thought before that plus tires are best for HT. Is it true?

    I want to keep a good price in relation to what the bike gives.

    Can you help me decide?

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    If I were buying a hardtail today, it would surely have the ability to run 29 or 27.5+. Personally, I prefer a 29 with something like a 2.4-2.6 tire, but the 27.5+ had its merits and I can see how others like it. One other I'd toss into the mix is the Santa Cruz Chameleon or the new one by Ibis, although I forgot its name. There will typically be some slight geometry changes if you switch back and forth between wheel sizes, but nothing too crazy. Besides, it is kind of nice to have a bike with multiple personalities

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    Yes but SC chameleon is quite expensive you pay a lot for a logo. Other bikes have slacker geometry more progresive. Kona honzo has great warranty too and it's cheaper. When we take price into comparisson: whyte 901 < kona honzo big dl < sc chameleon. In price of SC you can take FS bike from other brand.

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    I think the Chameleon is a better value than the Honzo. By the time you put a decent fork on the Honzo, you've paid more than the cost of a Chameleon. Also the Honzo has the same head angle as the Chameleon right?

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    Salsa Timberjack?

    The SC you can get alloy instead of carbon. $1700? I think.
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    I just bought a Nukeproof scout race in 27.5,,ships with 2.6" tires but can take 2.8",,now I've "heard" that 2.8' can feel a little "squirmy", I couldn't tell ya if that's true or not, never having ridden 2.8's myself

    My new bike is supposed to show up tomorrow so I look forward to finding out if that true or not

    I did take a test ride(parking lot) on a big Honzo and It is a beautiful rig for sure but wasn't as well kitted as the Nuke was and cost more $$$

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    Ok I'm waiting for review here , I'm also taking into consideration nukeproof, so you said that you can add 2.8" tires. It end of plus tires or it's no so good even for HT ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryt View Post
    Hi,

    I want to buy HT.

    Why there is less 27.5+ bikes in this year?

    I want to have 27.5+ with possibility to change to 29" is it ok?.

    Or should I forget about plus tires and take normall wheels?

    I'm 187cm height.

    What would be better in your opinion:
    Kona honzo big DL
    Whyte 901/905?
    Marin San Quentin 3
    Or sth from nukeproof or commencal?
    Other?

    I thought before that plus tires are best for HT. Is it true?

    I want to keep a good price in relation to what the bike gives.

    Can you help me decide?
    Did u check out Specialized Fuse? 27.5+ with ability to run 29.
    https://www.specialized.com/us/en/sh...se/c/trailfuse

    I absolutely love mine/hardtails, esp the 3.0 tire in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy3220 View Post
    I think the Chameleon is a better value than the Honzo. By the time you put a decent fork on the Honzo, you've paid more than the cost of a Chameleon. Also the Honzo has the same head angle as the Chameleon right?
    Don't the Chameleon D+ and Big Honzo have the same fork? They look about equivalent in spec to me.

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    I researched hardtails for a few months recently, but ultimately ended up with a full suspension bike.

    In that time, I researched what felt like every hardtail in existence.

    My top two choices were the Whyte 901, and Nukeproof scout race.

    They had excellent specs, were good values, and had the geo that I was looking for.

    The Salsa Timberjack is also a pretty decent deal, if you want a bit less agressive geometry (it's similar to the chameleon iirc).

    The Vitus Sentier is also a great deal. It's nearly identical to the nukeproof, but with a slightly steeper hta (66, vs 65), and the one in my price range didn't come with a dropper, but was cheaper than the nukeproof by the exact price of a dropper...

    Good luck finding something you like .

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    At your height, I'd want 29+. Krampus or Stache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka aka View Post
    Don't the Chameleon D+ and Big Honzo have the same fork? They look about equivalent in spec to me.
    So the Big Honzo DL you mentioned is $2099. It comes with a Rockshox Sektor fork. I would not use this fork. I literally almost bought a regular Honzo with the intention of replacing that fork until I realized I could get a better deal with a different brand. The BH DL also comes with an 11sp NX drivetrain and press fit BB.

    The Chameleon R+ is $2399 and for your extra 300 bucks it comes with a Fox 34 (leagues better than the Sektor), NX Eagle 12sp, and threaded BB. The Chameleon is definitely a better deal. It's up to you what you want to spend though.

    I actually ended up with a Guerrilla Gravity Pedalhead because the Chameleon was too small for me (6'5") and the Honzo + fork swap wasn't a good deal. The wait for the Honzo was also really long. With Guerrilla Gravity I got to pick whatever components I wanted and it was cheaper than the Honzo + fork swap .

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    At your height, I'd want 29+. Krampus or Stache.
    Maybe the Karate Monkey? He will get both wheel options.
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    Bear in mind that some of the bikes you refer to cannot switch to 29" because they use 27.5" boost forks that are designed for 27.5 wheels only and up to 2.8".

    Whyte 901/905 for sure, since I have asked them about it and I guess the Marin San Quentin too.

    I own an older 905 though and I can certainly recommend Whyte as a brand. They design excellent handling bikes and have been very helpful whenever I needed something. VFM is good and they spec their bikes with trail-worthiness in mind.

    You might wanna check the Sonder Transmitter as well, but I'm not sure if it takes 29" wheels either. A good choice if you decide to build from frame only. Avoid their wheels though, the hubs have issues.

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    Sonder transmitter wasnít designed to run 29Ē. You might get a 2.1 in there though. Ideal tires on that bike is 2.6 or 2.8 in 27.5 variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    Maybe the Karate Monkey? He will get both wheel options.
    No. I love my Karate Monkey, but Krampus over KM for a 6' rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    No. I love my Karate Monkey, but Krampus over KM for a 6' rider.
    All right, I agree!
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    What do you think about whyte 901/905 which is 27.5+ vs NS eccentric cromo 29" it's 2.4 with Steel frame, there is a version with alu frame. I thinking about talking whyte with plus tires or 29" with Steel is is good choice?

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