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    Would love to see some more info on this frame. Maybe, just maybe it's the longer travel frame that a lot of people are looking for………!!!!!!!

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    Are you sure its 150mm?

    By the way it basically looks like a knock-off of the Pivot Mach 6 with a different upper link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyalanlane View Post
    Would love to see some more info on this frame. Maybe, just maybe it's the longer travel frame that a lot of people are looking for………!!!!!!!
    It is 150mm upfront and needs a 200 x 50.8 rear shock but I can't get a firm "it is x mm rear travel" I am guessing with that size shock it will be 150mm rear as well.

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    IP-156 Frame Specifations

    Xiamen Iplay sent me these diagrams of the IP-156 27.5 FS for 16, 18, and 20 inch sizes respectively.

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    There is a lot of bad info on the previous page regarding the FM336 'all mountain' frame including that horrible silhouette screen shot of what appears to be a 3d model. I am quite interested so I have been doing a bit of research with contacts I have in China. Here are some facts according to established and trusted vendors in China.

    The frame is currently scheduled to be available in November
    They are currently working on the molds.
    The frame will be available in sizes 15.5, 17.5, and 19.5
    The shock specs are 200mm x 50.8mm
    The rear wheel travel is 150mm
    The axle to crown shown on the CAD geometry drawing is 539mm (150mm fork)
    The HTA is 68o
    The BB is BB92
    If you look at the picture there is quite clearly internal cable routing

    Hope this helps. The geometry, linkage and travel are exactly what I'm looking for plus I really like the lines of the frame so I will most likely be ordering one.

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    For those that know about these things.

    What would be the implications of moving to a 160mm fork instead of a 150mm (other than the obvious travel increase).

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    petepeterson, there is also a 21.5" but at the moment only 15.5" and 17.5" are in production. As for the bad information, maybe that's why someone went red yesterday


    McGG, you'll relax your angles slightly,probably not enough to notice, BB will move up a little and with only a 5mm bb drop that might be getting too high for some but we are only talking less than 5mm increase in bb height. You'll void warranty, like we buy these frames for their great warranty anyway

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    thanks emu...I got your email on it too, but it might be valuable to have the discussion here too.

    I don't even consider the warranty on chinese frames. Although the CC guys were pretty good about replacing a defective rim for me.

    Is it me, or do these looks like direct competitors/copies of the T275 and/or the Mach 6.

    With a CCDBA I suppose these will likely come in the 1200-$1300 range?

    that's about $2000 cheaper than a similar Pivot or Intense...and I imagine the performance would be comparable.

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    I have one source saying that the fm336 will be 150 mm f-shock and another saying 200 mm. can someone please verify.

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    It is 150mm
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    The shock eye to eye is 200mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post

    The frame is currently scheduled to be available in November
    They are currently working on the molds.
    The frame will be available in sizes 15.5, 17.5, and 19.5
    The shock specs are 200mm x 50.8mm
    The rear wheel travel is 150mm
    The axle to crown shown on the CAD geometry drawing is 539mm (150mm fork)
    The HTA is 68o
    The BB is BB92
    If you look at the picture there is quite clearly internal cable routing

    Hope this helps. The geometry, linkage and travel are exactly what I'm looking for plus I really like the lines of the frame so I will most likely be ordering one.

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    I need this in my life. Any idea on chainstay length and.bb height? Is this the ip088 frame the gentleman from xmi told me about. It is indeed a.sexy looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post

    The frame is currently scheduled to be available in November
    They are currently working on the molds.
    The frame will be available in sizes 15.5, 17.5, and 19.5
    The shock specs are 200mm x 50.8mm
    The rear wheel travel is 150mm
    The axle to crown shown on the CAD geometry drawing is 539mm (150mm fork)
    The HTA is 68o
    The BB is BB92
    If you look at the picture there is quite clearly internal cable routing

    Hope this helps. The geometry, linkage and travel are exactly what I'm looking for plus I really like the lines of the frame so I will most likely be ordering one.

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    I need this in my life. Any idea on chainstay length and.bb height? Is this the ip088 frame the gentleman from xmi told me about. It is indeed a.sexy looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCDiesel View Post
    I need this in my life. Any idea on chainstay length and.bb height? Is this the ip088 frame the gentleman from xmi told me about. It is indeed a.sexy looking bike.
    Chainstay is 440mm and bb drop is 5mm so you can work out bb height from that.

    No idea about the IP088, sorry

    Edit: Just looked at the IP-088 and they are two completely different frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post
    There is a lot of bad info on the previous page regarding the FM336 'all mountain' frame including that horrible silhouette screen shot of what appears to be a 3d model. I am quite interested so I have been doing a bit of research with contacts I have in China. Here are some facts according to established and trusted vendors in China.

    The frame is currently scheduled to be available in November
    They are currently working on the molds.
    The frame will be available in sizes 15.5, 17.5, and 19.5
    The shock specs are 200mm x 50.8mm
    The rear wheel travel is 150mm
    The axle to crown shown on the CAD geometry drawing is 539mm (150mm fork)
    The HTA is 68o
    The BB is BB92
    If you look at the picture there is quite clearly internal cable routing

    Hope this helps. The geometry, linkage and travel are exactly what I'm looking for plus I really like the lines of the frame so I will most likely be ordering one.

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    THIS is what I have been waiting for, a longer travel 650b.
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    68° is too steep a head angle for a 150mm bike. Should be 66-67. Besides geometry my concern would be pivot and hardware durability. Bikes in this category see much harder use than the XC bikes these companies have released in the past. Combine that with the location of the lower pivots right in the line of fire from the back tire and I hope the bearings last and everything stays tight. Santa Cruz's collet axles and grease ports make a lot of sense for this kind of application.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm stocked at the prospect of cheap AM frames but compared to the XC world it's more important to get the details right on a bike that's gonna be ridden at the limits.
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    68 degrees might be OK since it's 650b.... I liked the 2011-2013 Yeti 575's which had a 68 degree HTA at 150mm rear travel, and those are on 26" wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    68° is too steep a head angle for a 150mm bike. Should be 66-67.
    Santa Cruz, Rocky Mountain, Ibis.... Just a few companies besides Yeti with 650B bikes with 68 HTA's.... but what do they know.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post
    Santa Cruz, Rocky Mountain, Ibis.... Just a few companies besides Yeti with 650B bikes with 68 HTA's.... but what do they know.....
    Ibis HDR is too steep and changing to 66.5 with their new 150mm bike. SC's 150mm bike the Bronson is 66 to 67 depending on fork. As for Yeti, I don't know about the current 575 cuz it's so slow selling that we (I work at a SC & Yeti dealer) haven't ordered one yet but both their SB5&6 are slacker than 68. I didn't like the Yeti 575 because it felt like a tall, long legged XC bike. Its geometry didn't allow you to make use of the travel. I don't know Rocky Mountains but don't they have geometry chips? If you just want an XCish Trail bike with more cush this geo will be fine. If you want an AM or Enduro bike that encourages speed and jumping I think you'd prefer 66ish. I love my 65° Nomad3 that has 160mm travel.
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    Only the carbon rocky mountains use those geo chips.

    I don't think this bike is trying to be an Enduro racing machine. For AM duties it'd be fine. It certainly isn't going to feel like an XC bike though.

    The Norco Sight uses a 68 or 67.5 depending on fork, and I love those things.

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    I think 68* is perfectly fine for Trail and AM type stuff and obviously it will work well for XC as well. Sure it might not be perfect for doing massive jumps and drops but I bet a really small percentage of people do that type of riding. I dont take a lift up to the top and ride down...that doesnt exist here on the east coast you have to actually earn your downhill by pedalling up the hill first and 68* w/ 150mm travel sounds nice to me. I have a 26" Litespeed that has a 140mm fork and effective 68.5* head angle and it works out perfectly. So to each their own.
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    I think the HA goes closer to 67 with a 160mm fork on this new frame, does it not?

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    Yup. Usually a 10mm change in axle to crown changes the head angle about 1 degree. It also usually raises the BB about 5mm. Small changes in BB height and head angle make a big difference when cornering at speed. It's these small details that I hope they can nail. Because of the different demands on the bike people are usually pickier about geometry in this segment than the XC/Trail segment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    Yup. Usually a 10mm change in axle to crown changes the head angle about 1 degree. It also usually raises the BB about 5mm. Small changes in BB height and head angle make a big difference when cornering at speed. It's these small details that I hope they can nail. Because of the different demands on the bike people are usually pickier about geometry in this segment than the XC/Trail segment.
    I would expect this new 650b frame will handle just fine with a 160mm fork...i just moved from a 100mm fork with a HA of 70.5 to a 140mm fork on my 26" FS and the bike handles corners better than it did before and its more stable as well. The increased BB height wasnt an issue since the BB was only 12.75" to begin with. I want to see more detailed schematics on this frame so we can get a better idea of what bike its trying to copy. lol...because they always seem to copy someone else so this new bike is a copy of something just not sure what...
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    ahh! My favorite game.

    Quote Originally Posted by andyfloyd View Post
    I would expect this new 650b frame will handle just fine with a 160mm fork...i just moved from a 100mm fork with a HA of 70.5 to a 140mm fork on my 26" FS and the bike handles corners better than it did before and its more stable as well. The increased BB height wasnt an issue since the BB was only 12.75" to begin with. I want to see more detailed schematics on this frame so we can get a better idea of what bike its trying to copy. lol...because they always seem to copy someone else so this new bike is a copy of something just not sure what...
    I'm going to say Mach 5.7 carb, based only on looks and the dw link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natron5000 View Post
    I'm going to say Mach 5.7 carb, based only on looks and the dw link.

    yes and what a fun game it is, and yes I agree the 5.7 carbon has 158mm rear travel designed around a 140-160mm fork and has an almost idnetical linkage. We might have a winner!
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    OK, this seems to have gained a fair amount of interest over night so rather than clog this thread even more than the already confusing mix of hardtail and xc frames I have started another thread here Maybe the nods can move the relevant posts over to that one.

    For now it might be an idea if all future comments about AM china frames be made over there.

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    I'll be the one to switch it back to a hardtail duscussion

    So a few pages back I was asking about the FR-503, and that I had pulled the trigger on buying one. Well it arrived today and I must say out of the box it was exactly what I expected. Matte finish is what I'll call "rough" in quite a few places, swirls, weird shapes and a distinct area where the color is a little different, in a line right behind the head tube that traverses both the seat tube and down tube.

    I don't really care about most of it, I actually think it looks kinda cool but has anyone ever tried to use a rubbing compound or polish on these matte frames? I'm just wondering if I could get a few of the marks out w/o harming the frame.

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    I have order my hardtail carbon frame and waiting on it now (CMB017). Should be available mid September. I also ordered carbon wheels, carbon front fork, Shimano XT (2 X 10) groupset with XT brakes and novatec 711/712 hubs. I will pick up everything except the frame on Saturday. I ended up getting the carbon parts in the clearcoat finish specifically so that I can see what the quality of the carbon work looks like.

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    OK guys, I need some help!! My FR-503 came with a headset, NECO or something like that, and the cups appear to be molded into the head tube. I need to run a 1 1/8" straight steerer Manitou Marvel fork. The lower bearing of the headset has a 52mm outside diameter and a roughly 40mm inside diameter. So I need a crown race reducer but I'm just not sure what to buy???

    Cane Creek makes a 52/30 reducer, is this what I need?

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    The world of tapered headtubes is new to me so I'm a little lost and hoping you guys cam bail me out!

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    looks like the one....

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    Cool thanks scottay, I'll give it a shot.

    I just hope it's somewhat universal because all the descriptions state compatibility w/ Cane Creek headsets. But for $10 I'll take a shot. I'd buy a whole new reducer headset but there's no way the cups are coming out of the frame without causing some kind of damage, so I'll stick w/ the cheapo Chinese headset and give this gizmo a shot.

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    Looking at a 19" hardtail frame on Fleabay. In general what is the stand over height on these frames?
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    If standover is a problem you're looking at too big a frame that won't have much seatpost exposed (not enough to run a dropper) and will have a really long reach.
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    Not really. A large or a 19" frame can be anywhere from 18 to 33" stand over depending upon frame design. I like lower.
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    A question about IP-156 frame.

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    Please someone tell me what size of the rear shock mounting hardware for back part (near seat tube)? I am only know the front part is 22.2x8mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sersus View Post
    A question about IP-156 frame.

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    Please someone tell me what size of the rear shock mounting hardware for back part (near seat tube)? I am only know the front part is 22.2x8mm.
    Same size front and back, I bought two sets of these these: Fox Shox Polymer Du Bushing Reducer Kit > Components > Rear Shocks > Mounting Hardware | Jenson USA in 8x22.2

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    Thank you!

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    It's Done!

    It's finally done! Well mostly, I left my chain breaker at my office and I need to move my pedals over from my other bike and get these junkers off.
    Using the super-scientific bathroom scale method this evening the bike as it sits came in at 25.5 lbs, and I'd imagine it will lose a half pound when I pull the extra chain off and put the proper pedals on, maybe even a full pound because those solid metal junk pedals are heavy.
    Maybe I'll get a chance to take it out for a ride tomorrow.
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    If that's 11spd make sure you know what proper chain length is. It's different than other systems. Besides that the derailleur setup is pretty standard.
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    I just got an email from Ican Bikes, and this was buried in it!

    Enjoy!

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    thanks Pau11y but there is another thread for the AM version over here and pete posted that link there yesterday.

    Not a criticism, just trying to not clutter this already crowded thread with yet another style of bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleFrisbee View Post
    It's finally done! Well mostly, I left my chain breaker at my office and I need to move my pedals over from my other bike and get these junkers off.
    Using the super-scientific bathroom scale method this evening the bike as it sits came in at 25.5 lbs, and I'd imagine it will lose a half pound when I pull the extra chain off and put the proper pedals on, maybe even a full pound because those solid metal junk pedals are heavy.
    Maybe I'll get a chance to take it out for a ride tomorrow.
    Awesome! Been waiting for your build! What size is that, and is that a 140mm travel fork?

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    It is an X-Fusion Velvet RL2 fork internally adjustable to 140, 120, and 100mm. I left it at the default 140 for now and I took it for a 13 mile ride this evening. The front end definitely wanders a bit on hills and the handlebars are set a bit high because of the fork. I'm going to drop it to 120mm and try that.

    I bought the 18" frame.

    I had the tubeless tires set around 35 psi, which is obviously high, but I think I want to figure out one thing at a time right now. This bike is a lot of firsts for me, first full squish bike, first tubeless setup, first dropper post and a few other firsts. I'm going to try figure out what I like for the front and rear shocks, then worry about tire pressure and the other things after I get those dialed.

    The bike is definitely faster than my old bike. I was in a rush to get out the door to work this morning and forgot my bike helmet, but I've been waiting so long to ride this thing I went to the trails anyway. It also rained pretty heavily yesterday and the trails were still fairly wet. Knowing I didn't have a helmet on, I took it easy where the trail got tricky, slippery, and on downhills. Even with all my extra caution, Strava reported PR's everywhere on the trail! I'm looking forward to a dry trail with a helmet, it's gonna be awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleFrisbee View Post
    It is an X-Fusion Velvet RL2 fork internally adjustable to 140, 120, and 100mm. I left it at the default 140 for now and I took it for a 13 mile ride this evening. The front end definitely wanders a bit on hills and the handlebars are set a bit high because of the fork. I'm going to drop it to 120mm and try that.

    I bought the 18" frame.

    I had the tubeless tires set around 35 psi, which is obviously high, but I think I want to figure out one thing at a time right now. This bike is a lot of firsts for me, first full squish bike, first tubeless setup, first dropper post and a few other firsts. I'm going to try figure out what I like for the front and rear shocks, then worry about tire pressure and the other things after I get those dialed.

    The bike is definitely faster than my old bike. I was in a rush to get out the door to work this morning and forgot my bike helmet, but I've been waiting so long to ride this thing I went to the trails anyway. It also rained pretty heavily yesterday and the trails were still fairly wet. Knowing I didn't have a helmet on, I took it easy where the trail got tricky, slippery, and on downhills. Even with all my extra caution, Strava reported PR's everywhere on the trail! I'm looking forward to a dry trail with a helmet, it's gonna be awesome!
    Nice build up. Turning your stem upside down will drop your bars and head angle some. I found it to be just right running at 120mm front fork travel. Bike feels a little unsteady at 140. I set my rear shock sag at about 10 percent. Bike rides awesome.

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    I'm looking to do a similar build to yours on the 20" model. I have mostly everything except shock frame and headset. I'll be running the same fork, a 2014 model though. I was hoping to get away with 140mm for general trail ripping and drop to 100/120 for race days.

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    I dropped the fork to 120mm, flipped the stem, softened the fork a bit, firmed up the rear shock and went for a ride this afternoon, felt like a different bike. 120mm is definitely the right length for this bike. Rode a trail I don’t ride often, sections of which I've never ridden in the direction I did today, so I can't say for sure it was faster, but it sure felt faster. A buddy rode with me today (who doesn't ride enough) that is usually slower than me, but I left him much further behind that I usually do, so either I was faster or he was having an off day.

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    Dashine DSK088-27.5er Mtb Carbon frame Dashine bike store from Aliexpress

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    Wow that's too bad. Any luck getting money back?

    What was the damage on the bottom of the frame, that looked rough--was it cosmetic or do you think structural?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillN View Post
    Wow that's too bad. Any luck getting money back?

    What was the damage on the bottom of the frame, that looked rough--was it cosmetic or do you think structural?
    Hi, not a cosmetic damage is structural damage. My dispute was resolved with Aliexpress Today, I return 40% of the frame (€ 480 - 40%). It is an improved solution, you must be careful with these Chinese sellers are very bad professionals.

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    Hello!

    I have a FR-503 frame from Flyxii on the way to me.
    Anyone here that knows the internal diameter of the upper and lower headtube?
    I´m looking for a suitable headset for the frame.

    EDIT: The lower appears to be 52mm according to Rode_Islander a couple of post up the thread. Still need to know the dimension of the upper.

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    damage during shipping

    Hi guys,
    My story is not so happy either.
    Ordered the IP-027 650B frame from Xiamen Iplay (Peter). The order was placed in the very beginning of May and I received it in the middle of September (more than 4 months), more over the frame came damaged.
    The whole story was following.
    At first it took 5 weeks for production and painting (needed frame size wasn’t in stock). Then it was reported to be shipped in time, but according to track info the frame was accepted by the carrier maybe one week later. Then the frame was probably sent to a wrong address, or it wasn't readable or something else, so that the frame finally was delivered to somewhere in China not even crossing the board. I reported the issue to Xiamen. After they found the frame, it was sent for the 2nd time in the beginning of August. And finally I received the package in the middle of September, the condition like you can see on the photos. Of course I tried to contact Xiamen, but no result. I was only told that it is not a production issue and they were going to report it to the carrier company… and no news since that.
    I only can't understand how could come like that when the seller is paid for delivery and on the end they are not responsible for anything. Also I believe if the frame had been packed better, nothing probably happened to it.
    I'm going to order some other carbon stuff but no way I will order anything else from this vendor, also I think it's a bit safer to order from eBay or Aliexpress, where at least you have some kind of buyer protection.
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    Was there a spacer in the dropouts when you unboxed the frame?

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    Hi,
    yes, there was a spacer, but it was also slightly damaged.

    Btw, the frame itself looks quite well made if not those damages...

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    Not as light nor as cool. One of the few reasons I just ordered a Gunnar Rockhound. My wait time was told to be 4 weeks and shod I have any issues it should be no issues other than having to disassemble and send back for a short trip to Wisconsin.
    OB1 Kielbasa

    One is good!

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    Wow, that's unfortunate. It looks like they did a really nice job on the paint, it's a very cool design. You think it can be fixed? I'd think an auto body shop could do it, but it probably wouldn't be cheap.

    I talked to Peter a few times but I wasn't happy with the price or time frame he provided me. He quoted me $480 shipped and a 6 week lead time. So instead I bought from eBay seller flyxii and got my frame for $370 shipped and it was on my doorstep in 12 days.

    Its hard for me to understand how that kind of break could have happened during shipping, it seems like something heavy got dropped on the box right where the dropouts were.

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    I am going to repair the carbon structure first - I already found where i can do that. As for the painting, yes, maybe I will have to go to some car service, or probably it will be easier to remove all the paint and leave it poor black

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    Courage! to me the same problem has occurred, you can see my story on the previous page.
    The process is very long, I pay my frame in Dashine Sports in mid-June, I received damaged during shipping day June 14, start process claim on Aliexpress and ended on September 17 with the return of 40% of the frame.

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    javableak, you are a bit more lucky
    The 40% refund will probably cover repairing of the frame, but any way it will never be like new.

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    I could maybe be convinced to do a group buy then ship to US and distribute from their. Lead time would be a little longer and i would have to pay duties so price may be 10% higher. but i could at least gaurantee the quality of the frames and proper packaging to ensure no damage..... I live in China and recently purchased a frame with no major issues - it was 200g heavier than advertised .... but other than that everything went smooth. I picked up the frame directly so i knew what i was getting before taking it home. Still had to pay up front.

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    I may buy the Lamere version of the same frame. It costs a bit more, but they offer a lifetime warranty, and are based out of Minnesota. They have the frames in stock, so I may pay a bit more and go that route. Peter quoted me $702 for the Sl frame, so it's a couple hundred more for the Lamere, but far less risk.

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    For those who is looking for a longer ETT hardtail, heve a look at this one:
    Q2 27.5er Carbon Mountain Bike 650B Frame B128
    Also you can find it at aliexpress.
    If I had found it earlier definitely I would ordered this one...
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    I would like to find a 650b hardtail with a slacker than 71deg head angle. 71 is a little steeper than I would like to ride. If a larger wheel can handle a steeper HA then I wonder why the 057 29er is 69.5deg. It would make more sense to me if the 29er was 71 and the 650 was 69.5. Maybe I have that all wrong.

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    So I've been toying with the idea of picking up a FR503 maybe after the holidays. I'm just in the infancy stages of research.

    Anybody think a fully dressed riding weight of 230+ is asking for trouble on mainly tight singletrack xc stuff with the occasional small to mid size drop?

    Has anybody definitively measured the bottom bracket height of the FR-503 yet? The geometry charts dont seem to show it, although I did see one allude to a BB offset of 45mm, so I guess I could try and calculate it.

    Since I have budgetary constraints, Ill have to upgrade in stages, which means running my 26 wheels and fork for the time being. My 2.25 tires are roughly the same diameter as 650b wheels with 1.8 tires, so I don't have too much to make up. I can easily adjust my fork to 120mm to help with some of the pedal strikes, but if the BB is particularly low, this might not be a viable option.

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    I just saw this eBay carbon 650b with Head Angle of 68 and seat angle of 73.5. That is what I've been looking for. I want a relaxed front end but with steeper seat tube for more forward pedaling

    MOSTOOR 27.5er or 650b Full Carbon Mountain Bike/Bicycle Frame BB92 15.5”/17”/19” MTB Frame, Disc Brake, UD Matte or Glossy, Thru Axle 142 x 12mm

    http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayI...om&descgauge=1

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    ... and if we just ... Finished Hongfu Project

    Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-image.jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-image.jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-image.jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-image.jpgWell I finished this last week and pretty happy with the results weighed in at 10.6kgs/23.37llbs
    Hans Dampf front nobby nick rear Tubeless
    Fullcrum RedPower wheels
    XTGroup/Brakes with XTR front mech
    Hongfu Carbon Bars
    Thomson Set Post and Collar
    Tioga Saddle
    Magnesium DMR Flats
    FSA Headset and BB
    Rockshox Reba 100mm Fork with Lockout
    and a chain stay cover

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    What was the total price paid for these frames? including frame, shipping and customs?
    I'm interested, would like to know what customs charges, any hassles, etc.

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    Hi all,Just finished my build today and already ridden it for about 30km.Despite not very positive experience with the seller I'm quite happy with the frame any way. I've managed to repair it in a local workshop - It costed me roughly 120usd. After repairing it doesn't look that fancy but who cares - more important that it works.The bike feels very comfortable, it's very stiff but smooths out all the vibrations very well. Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-_dsc2961.jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-_dsc2971.jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-_dsc2963.jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-_dsc2965.jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-_dsc2966.jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-_dsc2968.jpg

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    any Chinese carbon similar to PivotLes 27.5?

    Any Chinese carbon similar in geometry to the PivotLes 27.5 I am interested in the geometry of slacker head tube/steeper seat tube.

    The closest I've found is this:

    http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayI...om&descgauge=1

    size 15.5
    HA: 68
    SA: 73.5
    Effective top tube: 560mm
    Chainstay 432

    Compared to Pivotles 27.5
    size 14.5
    HA: 68.75
    SA: 73.8
    Effective top tube:551.2mm
    Chainstay: 426

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    Have anyone ordered the frame in Carbonda? I'm intrested in this frame New 27.5(650B) full carbon MTB frame,toray T800 ultra light frame,950g only, View 650B MTB frame, OEM Product Details from Shenzhen Carbonda Sports Equipment Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com. i found exactly the same looking on dengfu, hongfu and xmiplay, but this is cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbapapa11 View Post
    Have anyone ordered the frame in Carbonda? I'm intrested in this frame New 27.5(650B) full carbon MTB frame,toray T800 ultra light frame,950g only, View 650B MTB frame, OEM Product Details from Shenzhen Carbonda Sports Equipment Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com. i found exactly the same looking on dengfu, hongfu and xmiplay, but this is cheaper.
    what did they quote you? shipping fee? paypal fee?

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    They want 570$ including shipping. On xmiplay 660$. The difference isquite big, but i don't know, are they trusted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbapapa11 View Post
    They want 570$ including shipping. On xmiplay 660$. The difference isquite big, but i don't know, are they trusted?
    I assume that you are comparing to the xmiplay 196 frame. They are not the same frames. The wishbone is different and there is no dimple for the front derailleur. Also the ip196 comes in more BB formats than the other. For the difference I would go iplay or hongfu.

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    I haven't noticed it, but this dengfu frame is simmilar. I emailed with carbonda and they could make a bsa bb too. 100$ is much for me, but i don't know should i risk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbapapa11 View Post
    I haven't noticed it, but this dengfu frame is simmilar. I emailed with carbonda and they could make a bsa bb too. 100$ is much for me, but i don't know should i risk?
    The dengfu looks like the same frame. Actually I think the wishbone on the dengfu looks a little more robust than the 196.

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    I prefer dengfu wishbone too. I must sell my actual frame and will propably buy this one.

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    Process of repair and modification of Chinese carbon fiber mtb frame.

    Hello friends, my odyssey with Dashine DSK088-27.5er Mtb Carbon frame bought in Aliexpress has terminated. After exchanging many emails with the seller, Aliexpress has decided to return me 40% of the total. In the end, I paid for it about 288 € more € 52 customs.
    I decided to repair the frame myself, and this is the result. Missing the most important thing, which is to test it thoroughly on the mountain.
    Greetings from Spanish lands!

    After:

    Before:youtube;C4hqjHwSEh8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4hqjHwSEh8[/video]
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    Wow way to salvage a tough situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihlberg82 View Post
    Hello!


    I have a FR-503 frame from Flyxii on the way to me.
    Anyone here that knows the internal diameter of the upper and lower headtube?
    I´m looking for a suitable headset for the frame.


    EDIT: The lower appears to be 52mm according to Rode_Islander a couple of post up the thread. Still need to know the dimension of the upper.

    Hey Ihlberg82, just wanted to provide an update on this. I'm actually getting ready to build my FR-503. I needed to gather a few parts and decided to wait till it got cold around here before stripping down my current frame and building the FR-503.

    Anyway, after measuring the cups/bearings, looking at multiple headsets and emailing several Ebay sellers for more info I can tell you with confidence the lower bearing O.D. is 52mm and the upper bearing O.D. is 42mm. Based on that I purchased this headset:

    FSA Orbit C-40-ACB 1.5 Headset (No.42-ACB) | Chain Reaction Cycles

    I found it on Ebay for $39.95 w/ free shipping. I got it in the mail yesterday and it fits perfectly. The only thing I noticed is a difference in the height of the lower bearing. The bearing that Flyxii provided w/ their headset sits flush in the lower headset cup, meaning the bearing and the bottom of the head tube are the same level. With the FSA headset the lower bearing is shorter and therefore sits recessed up inside the lower cup a little bit. I'm not sure if this will affect the way the fork sits up against the head tube or not. If I run into an issue I just plan to use the lower bearing Flyxii provided and the rest of the FSA headset.

    I hope this helps you out. If you have any questions let me know, maybe I can help. Just make sure whatever headset you buy, if you get something other than the C-40 above, that the bearings are 42 & 52 and that they are tapered, they have to be tapered because the cups are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rode_Islander View Post
    Hey Ihlberg82, just wanted to provide an update on this. I'm actually getting ready to build my FR-503. I needed to gather a few parts and decided to wait till it got cold around here before stripping down my current frame and building the FR-503.

    Anyway, after measuring the cups/bearings, looking at multiple headsets and emailing several Ebay sellers for more info I can tell you with confidence the lower bearing O.D. is 52mm and the upper bearing O.D. is 42mm. Based on that I purchased this headset:

    FSA Orbit C-40-ACB 1.5 Headset (No.42-ACB) | Chain Reaction Cycles

    I found it on Ebay for $39.95 w/ free shipping. I got it in the mail yesterday and it fits perfectly. The only thing I noticed is a difference in the height of the lower bearing. The bearing that Flyxii provided w/ their headset sits flush in the lower headset cup, meaning the bearing and the bottom of the head tube are the same level. With the FSA headset the lower bearing is shorter and therefore sits recessed up inside the lower cup a little bit. I'm not sure if this will affect the way the fork sits up against the head tube or not. If I run into an issue I just plan to use the lower bearing Flyxii provided and the rest of the FSA headset.

    I hope this helps you out. If you have any questions let me know, maybe I can help. Just make sure whatever headset you buy, if you get something other than the C-40 above, that the bearings are 42 & 52 and that they are tapered, they have to be tapered because the cups are.

    Thank you kindly Rode_Islander! Also exellent timing. I recieved my frame 2 days ago after waiting over 2 months. My frame didn´t come with any headset.

    The FSA headset you mention seems to have a 36 degree taper on the lower bearing and 45 on the upper. Was the headset that came with frame also 36 degrees?
    It´s hard to tell but on my frame the taper of the bearing seats seems the same for both upper and lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post
    There is a lot of bad info on the previous page regarding the FM336 'all mountain' frame including that horrible silhouette screen shot of what appears to be a 3d model. I am quite interested so I have been doing a bit of research with contacts I have in China. Here are some facts according to established and trusted vendors in China.

    The frame is currently scheduled to be available in November
    They are currently working on the molds.
    The frame will be available in sizes 15.5, 17.5, and 19.5
    The shock specs are 200mm x 50.8mm
    The rear wheel travel is 150mm
    The axle to crown shown on the CAD geometry drawing is 539mm (150mm fork)
    The HTA is 68o
    The BB is BB92
    If you look at the picture there is quite clearly internal cable routing

    Hope this helps. The geometry, linkage and travel are exactly what I'm looking for plus I really like the lines of the frame so I will most likely be ordering one.

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    Quick question for the guys who have the XMIplay IP-196 sl

    what front mech fitment is it?

    I have ordered a frame, and want to run it with a 2x groupset.

    2014 newest IP-196SL super light 27.5er MTB frame 650b frame-Xiamen Iplay Sporting Goods Co.,Ltd.

    Thanks!!

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    [QUOTE=PSimpson7;11604803]Quick question for the guys who have the XMIplay IP-196 sl

    what front mech fitment is it?

    I have ordered a frame, and want to run it with a 2x groupset.

    2014 newest IP-196SL super light 27.5er MTB frame 650b frame-Xiamen Iplay Sporting Goods Co.,Ltd.

    How much have you paid? I'm also intresting in this frame or very simmilar from dengfu. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbapapa11 View Post

    How much have you paid? I'm also intresting in this frame or very simmilar from dengfu. Thanks.
    Costs from Peter at XMI play last week when i ordered.

    IP-196 SL frame 17.5'' BSA UD matt for 142x12 - 560 USD/piece
    Paint in 2 colors as discussed - 75 USD
    Fitting NECO headset - 15 USD/ set
    Fitting rear 142x12 thru axle - 15 USD/piece
    Extra rear derailleur hanger for 142x12 - 10 USD/piece
    Shipping - $65 (I live in Australia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihlberg82 View Post
    Thank you kindly Rode_Islander! Also exellent timing. I recieved my frame 2 days ago after waiting over 2 months. My frame didn´t come with any headset.

    The FSA headset you mention seems to have a 36 degree taper on the lower bearing and 45 on the upper. Was the headset that came with frame also 36 degrees?
    It´s hard to tell but on my frame the taper of the bearing seats seems the same for both upper and lower.
    So Ihlberg82, disregard what I said about the FSA headset. When it came time to assemble the front end I tried both the FSA and the Neco headset included w/ my frame and the bearings from the Neco just seemed to form a tighter fit, and it could have to with the angles you mentioned. Seeing as you didn't get a headset w/ your frame I did a quick search and believe this is the headset I was sent w/ my frame:

    Neco Headset 1 1 8" 1 1 2" Tapered Integrated MTB Frame Road Bike Steerer Tube | eBay

    The pics in that listing are exactly what I received. Of course it's in China and you'll have to wait the few weeks to get it. Other than that I'd say the only option is to take the frame to your LBS and see if they have a headset that fits. Bearings can be quite different from one headset to the next, both in terms of taper degrees and stack height, so that makes buying online risky, as I found out w/ the FSA.

    I'm 99% done w/ my build, just need to run the brakes and I'll be posting some pics this weekend!

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    Well I finally got this thing together and have put about 20 miles on it this week. It rides like a dream, super light and nimble. I was skeptical before buying the frame but I've put it through it's paces and I'm sold. I'd buy another one of these frames tomorrow. Here's a parts list:

    Frame: Flyxii FR-503
    Fork: Manitou Marvel Comp
    Bars/Stem/Post: Truvativ Stylo T20
    Wheelset: Sun Ringle Charger Pro SL Tubeless
    Tires: Schwalbe Hans Dampf Tubeless
    Crankset: SRAM XO w/ Raceface 30T Narrow-Wide and Bashguard
    Shifter/Derailleur: SRAM X7
    Brakes: Avid Elixir CR

    And here's a pic
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    Oh and if any of you out there are having problems with loose headsets you must get yourself a Woodman Capsule Extrem headset lock. This thing is a dream come true. Ditch the ridiculous star nut and install one of these and forget about it!!

    Woodman Capsule Extrem Headset Lock - Outside Outfitters

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    Looks sick, Rhode Island. Very nice build. Cant wait for mine to arrive.

    You wound up using a conversion headset to use 1-1/8 straight steerer forks, didn't you? Which one did you wind up with? I picked up an FSA orbit z1.5r in preparation, though I have no idea what I really need until I have the frame in hand.

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    I ended up using the headset that was included with my frame along with a Cane Creek crown race reducer because my fork has a straight 1 1/8" steerer. You'll see the link to the headset that came with my frame a few posts up. I actually tried to use an FSA thinking it would be an upgrade but it just didn't seem to fit quite right.

    You're right though, you really need to get your frame and see what your headtube looks like, I think all these Chinese frames are slightly different and your best bet is to see what yours looks like.

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    Well, the FR503 has finally arrived, and while they shipped matte instead of glossy, it is otherwise perfect. This whole time I had been assuming the FR503 was a zero stack headset, but its a fully integrated one instead. Oh man, I should have just ordered one along with the frame. Luckily it doesn't look like there's much chance of any good riding days coming up the next few weekends while I wait for the slow boat to deliver the headset.

    I also picked up a tapered 26" Axon RLD for dirt cheap, so I wont need any reducer or conversion headset. I'm hoping the 27.5 x 2.1 will clear the 26" Axon, since they'll clear a 26" Epicon easily. My axle to crown may be a bit lower than what the frame was designed for though.

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    Quick Question: What 142x12 thru-axle are you guys using? The DT Swiss skewer I bought does not come with a nut. Just wondering which ones are tried and true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitsBoy View Post
    Quick Question: What 142x12 thru-axle are you guys using? The DT Swiss skewer I bought does not come with a nut. Just wondering which ones are tried and true?
    I face the same situation. I am in the process of 1) Machining my own nut 2) Acquiring a Shimano Axle with the nut and a few other potential solutions. I'll post up what I come up with when I solve this problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    I face the same situation. I am in the process of 1) Machining my own nut 2) Acquiring a Shimano Axle with the nut and a few other potential solutions. I'll post up what I come up with when I solve this problem.
    I wound up buying both a shimano ax65, as well as the proper DT swiss e-thru bolt. Both nut portions fit fine within the dropouts. The DT swiss is significantly lighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitsBoy View Post
    I wound up buying both a shimano ax65, as well as the proper DT swiss e-thru bolt. Both nut portions fit fine within the dropouts. The DT swiss is significantly lighter.
    Excellent GuitsBoy, Thanks for the info.

    I'm in the process of acquiring parts to finish out a "spare parts" bike. Will post up the build when I get to it. Should come in around 23lb without any "insanity" lightweight stuff. Just spare parts lying around from a previous bike build. Stay tuned..........

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    So which BB have you guys used?

    The frame is a PF BB92. The crankset is a triple XT (Shimano FC-780/T780)
    Wholesale Product Snapshot Product name is 2014 New Light and popular full carbon frame mtb 27.5er,27 5 mtb frame BB92/BSA two years warranty,size 15/17/19/21 available

    I purchased one of these:
    Wholesale Product Snapshot Product name is XXF Sports Bike Bicycle Accessories Cycling Bottom Bracket Press Axis Fit For Shimano BB91 BB92,Made in Taiwan 4 Colors

    However, the chainline seems WAY out right. Sorry, I didn't measure it yet.

    I was just wondering those of you who have built up this bike with a triple which BB you used.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    So which BB have you guys used?

    The frame is a PF BB92. The crankset is a triple XT (Shimano FC-780/T780)
    Wholesale Product Snapshot Product name is 2014 New Light and popular full carbon frame mtb 27.5er,27 5 mtb frame BB92/BSA two years warranty,size 15/17/19/21 available

    I purchased one of these:
    Wholesale Product Snapshot Product name is XXF Sports Bike Bicycle Accessories Cycling Bottom Bracket Press Axis Fit For Shimano BB91 BB92,Made in Taiwan 4 Colors

    However, the chainline seems WAY out right. Sorry, I didn't measure it yet.

    I was just wondering those of you who have built up this bike with a triple which BB you used.

    Thanks in advance.

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    For what its worth, I'd run it single. 34t up front, 11-36 out back. Then put on a dropper post, running the cable through the FD internal routing... That's what I did.
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    Thanks mattsavage. I might go to that front set up later but like I said, this was a spare parts bike. I had that whole drivetrain lying around.

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    All of these are pretty much XC oriented in terms of geometry eh? Nothing with a 68 degree Head tube angle or anything - or am I missing a few that fit this bill?

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    They're all pretty steep, but a longer travel fork will slacken the headtube angle.

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    So looking at these frames they look pretty awesome, I don't want to throw a wrench on things, but are there patent infringement issues with the various linkage designs? Are these companies just making good cheap frames or are they actually ripping of patented designs? I recall reading something about Specialized patents expiring in 2014 but I don't know if that was true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmabiker View Post
    So looking at these frames they look pretty awesome, I don't want to throw a wrench on things, but are there patent infringement issues with the various linkage designs? Are these companies just making good cheap frames or are they actually ripping of patented designs? I recall reading something about Specialized patents expiring in 2014 but I don't know if that was true.
    Thats about as basic of suspension design you can get, this side of single pivot... Nothing patented there. I have yet to see a Horst link, vpp, or DW, etc chinese carbon frame, other than that downhill V-10ish model, which is a very generic VPP like design but probably little engineering to it...
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    Damn that's fugly... Almost looks like a Pivot... Wonder what it retails for, anyone contact them?
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    $1200-$1400 ISH. Here's a whole thread.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/27-5/china-ca...es-928177.html

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    That does look like a pivot, at least to my untrained eyes. Wonder how the quality etc matches up.

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    Gday - I'm talking to HongFu atm about one of these frames.
    Have you ridden the build? What did you think?
    What size frame is that in your pictures and would you mind letting me know your height and whether the frame felt comfortable?

    Thanks

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    Ok - that's definitely not a HongFu frame.
    Any word on who manufactured this?

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    Hey guys I'm looking to purchase either the IP136 or FR-501 frame and I figured I would check here for one last bit of opinions. I've heard good things about both frames, but there seem to be more people here that have gone with the 136. Both appear to be about the same weight and look like they are of similar quality; however, the FR501 is about 100 bucks cheaper (299.00 from flyxiibike). I know the 136 has full internal cable tracks which is definitely a nice feature, but I'm not sure if the 501 does or not. Not sure if that is worth the 100 dollar difference if it turns out that the 501 doesn't, but it seemed like it was worth mentioning. Anyway, if anyone can give their opinion one way or the other I would appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oclax03 View Post
    Hey guys I'm looking to purchase either the IP136 or FR-501 frame and I figured I would check here for one last bit of opinions. I've heard good things about both frames, but there seem to be more people here that have gone with the 136. Both appear to be about the same weight and look like they are of similar quality; however, the FR501 is about 100 bucks cheaper (299.00 from flyxiibike). I know the 136 has full internal cable tracks which is definitely a nice feature, but I'm not sure if the 501 does or not. Not sure if that is worth the 100 dollar difference if it turns out that the 501 doesn't, but it seemed like it was worth mentioning. Anyway, if anyone can give their opinion one way or the other I would appreciate it.
    I went with the FR-501 from flyxii.com which was 348 shipped. That works out to be cheaper than buying from ebay. My FR-501 has internal cable routing, and replaceable dropouts. Mine were the larger rounded style dropouts, as opposed to the more common triangular ones, but they're still the same price, and can be found easily enough on ebay or ali express. Dont forget to get a tapered integrated headset as well. I found the flyxii headset to work well. Keep in mind you will also need to get an e-thru type rear axle. Between shimano and DT swiss, the DT is lighter. Part number HWQASM00S3632S if you go that route. While I have not actually compared the 136, I dont see any reason not to get the 501 and save a few bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay View Post
    $1200-$1400 ISH. Here's a whole thread.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/27-5/china-ca...es-928177.html
    Nah, its under 1k.
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    After about a month of riding I found a crack in my FR-503. Admittedly, I've been riding the thing pretty hard because I have been without an AM bike for the past month, regardless shouldn't have cracked. The crack was about mid way up the seatstay and almost all the way around it. Found the crack during a ride last Friday, bike was creaking all ride, figured it was something else but when I got home to look at it, definitely was a crack. Contacted Flyxii through eBay and email on Friday and haven't heard from them since, and they have taken down their ebay ad for the frame since I have bought it.

    Anyone warrantied a frame from Flyxii before? Even worth doing it cost wise? Anyone know what a calfee repair would cost?

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    Sorry for the bad news. Have you tried contacting then via their website instead of eBay?

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    Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition

    Yep, contacted them both ways, and suprisingly got a reply on eBay this morning asking for some info to confirm the purchase. We'all see what they do...

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    Repair would probably run 200-300 minimum, plus shipping to whomever does it... Ruckus Composites in Portland is really good, but not cheap.

    My buddy fixed his Flxii 29er that cracked on the chainstay at BB with a home carbon repair kit. It held up until the BB shell came loose. That he fixed with drilling a hole in frame and filling it with resin... Finally, the thing shit the bed a year later...
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    Reposting from other related threads--

    I wanted to reach out an make contact with any riders who might find information and reviews on Chinese (or broadly Asian) manufactured components/frames useful.

    I'm working in Guangzhou, China (close to Shenzhen) on contract for a few years and in my early days here have been riding local trails, meeting local riders, and finding the LBSes over the past 6 months. A good Chinese friend of mine is a sponsored racer for a Chinese company (Quick) and also works in marketing for WTB.

    He and I have this vision to get info out to our western brothers and sisters using our connections ("guanxi") in the industry here as well as our proximity to a number of the manufacturers. It would be website dedicated to unbiased short- and longterm reviews of products as well as info and images on manufacturers/companies. I know that a number of others have attempted this in abortive blog fashion or in forums, but I don't know of any centralized site/hub online with easy content searching and dialogue for these kind of reviews. We have some really great access to information here and would like to utilize it.

    Is a website dedicated to reviews and info on Asian manufactured products (carbon frames, rims, some other components) something anyone would be interested in using if we set it up? We'd be happy to compile requests of manufacturers and products to chase up and provide tech info and reviews.

    I've interested in testing some of the 650bs and FS frames I've seen pop up here...

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    Yes! Unbiased reviews are golden.

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    OK. Finally got around to building the bike. Well, I actually spent a few weeks off and on because of head-aches and issues. Build was delayed because I was waiting for parts to show up from China and other vendors. This was mostly a spare parts bike though as I had a whole pile of stuff lying around that was taken off of the bike I built up last year. Mainly wheels, drivetrain, fork, seat, stem. Other stuff I just had in spare parts bins.

    1) The BB and chainline just doesn't work out that great. Middle ring the chainline's a few mm too far out. I got it close for now, will look into machining this to get it better.

    2) The rear brake mount wasn't "square" with the rotor. I had to machine/file the mount a bit to get the pad to be square with the rotor.

    Initial assessment of the ride. The bike is fun, the ride is much more compliant then I remember HT's being. I've ridden FS bikes for many, many years now. I guess running the larger tires (spares for my other bikes) allows again, lower tire pressures I couldn't run in my old school hard-tail days. But yes, riding it on my local rooty/rocky trails, it's actually kind of fun.

    I don't have any pictures of the bike yet. Will do that some time soon before I dirty it up too much. For now, here's the build. Nothing exotic. Just plain old parts which will give you an idea of how easy it could be to put something like this together and have a pretty darn fun bike. Aloha!!


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    EDIT: The BB was changed to a to a Real World unit from Enduro Fork Seals:

    KCNC BB92 WITH ENDURO BEARINGS FOR SHIMANO CRANKS

    Much better, the chain line is almost there. I will be trying to figure out if I can fix it further or just continue to ride the bike.

    I still have not cut the steerer tube because I'm not sure I'm going to leave this fork on the bike. Though I do love the long travel. I'm been riding FS for years and love having my higher BB for the technical rooted, rocky stuff.

    So far this bike continues to be a lot of fun and well worth the "budget" approach. It was not meant to be an exotic, super light weight race bike. More a spare bike using spare parts I had lying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmabiker View Post
    Yes! Unbiased reviews are golden.
    Ha! That almost could be read sarcastically...

    User reviews/feedback could be useful, like mtbr does for the big brands: Santa Cruz Chameleon Freeride Hardtail Reviews - Mtbr.com

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    I saw this one on ebay with a head angle of 68

    MOSTOOR 27.5er or 650b Full Carbon Mountain Bike/Bicycle Frame BB92 15.5”/17”/19” MTB Frame, Disc Brake, UD Matte or Glossy, Thru Axle 142 x 12mm. Type: 27.5er/650b Full Carbon MTB Mountain Bike Frame-Thru Axle 142 x 12mm.

    http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayI...om&descgauge=1

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    This one has HA of 70 built around 100mm fork
    27 5ER Mountain Bicycle Carbon Frame 650B MTB Frame UD Matt BSA Size 15 | eBay

    Good writeup of PVDs build process on it here: ?It?s just a 29er for little people? | Peter Verdone Designs

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    Well this one seems interesting. They say it should be in stock in 2 months. Wonder how it rides? Would this be considered a dw-link? 27.5ER T700 SUPER LIGHT CARBON ALL-MOUNTAIN FM288 - dengfubikes
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    Getting ready to order the FR501 from Flyxii, can anyone comment on how long it takes for shipping to the west coast of the US and how the overall transaction process was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oclax03 View Post
    Getting ready to order the FR501 from Flyxii, can anyone comment on how long it takes for shipping to the west coast of the US and how the overall transaction process was?
    Cant tell you how long it takes for the west coast, but it was less than two weeks to NY, though it took a couple of days to ship out. Overall the transaction was pretty good. Order a headset with it, and dropouts if you plan on switching rear axles. My dropouts were the harder to find rounded style, though you can find them on ebay for the carbon 29er.

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    I'm talking to DengFu (from whom I recently bought a road frame) about a 27.5" hardtail - FM238, but I can't for the life of me get the salesperson to say what kind of headset this thing takes. They probably don't know and just keep telling me that a headset comes with the frame 'as a gift'. I know, and it's probably a NECO branded part like the one that comes with their road frames and which I intend to replace anyway.

    Frameset comes with a tapered fork (1 1/8" to 1 1/2").

    Does anyone know what headset to use? I'm guessing this one?

    Thanks!

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    Mine took a Cane Creek 40 Series (1.5" Crown Race Steel) with a 1.125" top. The one you linked is straight - not tapered - so the bottom is not 1.25". You'll need to buy it in two pieces.

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    Cheers Joe Lee. Are those integrated, semi? Bottom integrated or external?

    I'm thinking this and this. Is that correct?

    Thanks.

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    Not sure if this is helpful but unless it seems really low quality, you might think about just trying the one they include, save you the time trying to figure out sizes and if it's decent quality it might not make a big difference in feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmabiker View Post
    Not sure if this is helpful but unless it seems really low quality, you might think about just trying the one they include, save you the time trying to figure out sizes and if it's decent quality it might not make a big difference in feel.
    I have to agree. I was actually pretty happy with the feel of teh bearings in the NECO set sold for the flyxii frames. Its fully integrated, tapered. The only thing I didnt like was the knurled expander under the top cap, so I switched it out to a star nut.

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    Hopefully picking up an Ican XT275 within the next week. Looks like it is just one of the common 650b frames rebadged.

    As far as build, I have no idea.

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    The snow has finally melted, and I got my first 5 mile ride in yesterday. The bike rode really nicely. I like the geometry much better than my 26", especially with the 120 mm fork slacking it out. I have to dial in the rear derailleur, as well as rebound and compression on the fork, but it still felt nice and solid. My biggest issue was learning how to push the bigger 38T gear of the 2x10 on 650b wheels, after being so used to 33T on 26". I found myself trying to push the big ring, before finally giving in and shifting down, but way too late, having run out of momentum. But certainly this has nothing to do with the frame. Anyway, all in all, I felt very confident on the bike. Its a strange thing for the frame to be stiff, but also dampen. In my mind the two concepts seem mutually exclusive, yet somehow it seems to be possible. The bike felt extremely solid and well controlled over the few smaller drops I took, or when launching over small rollers. Ill need a few more rides to get my lungs back in shape before I can really put the bike through its paces. But for a shakedown run, it has proven itself to be a great purchase so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babe Ruthless View Post
    I'm talking to DengFu (from whom I recently bought a road frame) about a 27.5" hardtail - FM238, but I can't for the life of me get the salesperson to say what kind of headset this thing takes. They probably don't know and just keep telling me that a headset comes with the frame 'as a gift'. I know, and it's probably a NECO branded part like the one that comes with their road frames and which I intend to replace anyway.

    Frameset comes with a tapered fork (1 1/8" to 1 1/2").

    Does anyone know what headset to use? I'm guessing this one?

    Thanks!
    The headset you are looking for is a "integrated or Drop in, 45x45º ACB, Tapered, 1.5" Bottom , 1-1/8" Top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmabiker View Post
    Well this one seems interesting. They say it should be in stock in 2 months. Wonder how it rides? Would this be considered a dw-link? 27.5ER T700 SUPER LIGHT CARBON ALL-MOUNTAIN FM288 - dengfubikes
    that design is a VPP. same linkages as Santa Cruz or Intense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518 View Post
    that design is a VPP. same linkages as Santa Cruz or Intense.
    not really, looks like like a DW link from a pivot. Either way its a dual pivot which is what DW link and VPP both are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyfloyd View Post
    not really, looks like like a DW link from a pivot. Either way its a dual pivot which is what DW link and VPP both are.
    pretty sure that the defining (and patented) characteristic of VPP is that the 2 links rotate in opposite directions. you are correct that the lower link of this Chinese frame is located in a similar spot on the frame, and looks very similar to the Pivot's dw lower link, but the upper link rotates in the opposite direction, thus it is VPP.

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    Hey all,
    Looking at buying the DSK088 dual sus frame from Dashine. It has a 66.5 HA and 140mm travel front and back. Sorta looks like a Stumpy. Only found one post about it and it was super negative. Has anyone else encountered this frame?

    088 UD 20" Glossy 27 5ER Full Suspension Carbon Fiber Mountain Bike Frameset | eBay

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    It only has 100mm in the rear, because lies

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    It says rear shock is 200 X 50 which is what i have now - 140 travel ...

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    Yes but this frame is different. 50mm of stroke doesn't automatically equal 140mm of travel, it depends on the frame.

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    So, does that mean my current 200X50 shock won't work? Please explain …

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    It will work, but it will give you 100mm of rear travel.

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    Sorry if I'm a newb, but, I don't get it. Will the back tire rub or something? What makes you say that?
    Have you tried it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnGataRide View Post
    Sorry if I'm a newb, but, I don't get it. Will the back tire rub or something? What makes you say that?
    Have you tried it?
    the "travel" is the amount that the rear wheel moves on a given bike frame with a given shock. the travel is dependent on both the frame design and the shock stroke length.

    in your case, you have a shock with 50mm stroke (the amount that the shock will compress). When paired with your current bike frame, your rear wheel will "travel" 140mm. When paired with this particular Chinese frame, the rear wheel only travels 100mm, even with the same shock.

    your shock WILL work on this Chinese frame, but because the frame is different design, the rear wheel travel is only 100mm. theres nothing you can do about this if you buy this frame. if you tried to put a shock on this frame with a longer stroke, the rear tire would like rub on the frame.

    i dont know how to make it more clear than that.

    tl;dr - different bike designs with the same shock size, can have different travel amounts because the frame is designed differently.

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    I totally appreciate your input, and I get what you're saying, but how can you tell the travel is only 100mm by looking at the pic?
    Do you have this frame?
    Thanks again for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnGataRide View Post
    I totally appreciate your input, and I get what you're saying, but how can you tell the travel is only 100mm by looking at the pic?
    Do you have this frame?
    Thanks again for the help
    i dont have any experience with this frame, so i cant help you there. was just trying to explain how 2 frames with the same shock could have different rear wheel travel.

    im guessing either someone has the frame and measured, or someone used the measurements of the chainstay and seatstay and did much more advanced geometry than I am capable of, and calculated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo MTB View Post
    The headset you are looking for is a "integrated or Drop in, 45x45º ACB, Tapered, 1.5" Bottom , 1-1/8" Top.
    Thank you!

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    Hi, just wanted to share with you all my 650b chiner bike

    Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-p5pb12063594.jpg

    Specs:
    + FM156 frame (with scott decals)
    + Fox Float 34 150mm (headtube angle is not too slack about 66.5 degrees)
    + Fox RP2 rear shock
    + Shimano Zee drivetrain
    + Deore 615 brakes
    + Sun inferno 27 rims with intense hubs (15x100 front / 12x142 rear)
    + Kenda 27.5x2.35" tires

    So far so good, lightweight and a great climber also pretty good on descents despite having about 4.5 inches of rear travel

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    Hey guys, new member here. I'm seriously considering getting my hands on one of these Chinese Frames. Looks like at least people are willing to entertain the idea of the Chinese at least making "meh" products and there's an active discussion instead of bickering and calling them shit products (like on another mountain biking website).

    Anyways. Skimmed this thread and the other dual suspension 29er thread. Now first who seems to be the company to deal with when getting these frames? Like I said I skimmed the thread so I know there's a couple companies out there and I'm sure their OEM is all the same because other than SKU's they all look like the same frame, HongFu, DengFu, XMIPlay, Miracle Trade, Dashine, etc. I'm specifically looking at the HongFu HF-FM336 or similar frame (which the Dashine88 looks to be).

    I'm looking at shock options right now and I know 200x50, 200x50.8, and 200x51 are all the same but am I able to put a shock with a slightly longer stroke (namely 200x57) on these frames? I'm not totally convinced that 200x51 is what it's specced for at max and it may be moreso a cover their asses thing than an actual design limitation (pedal strikes or having the BB sit too low or whatever), worst comes to worst I can always put a bumper or something on the shock to reduce it to 51mm max travel right?

    As for options, as I understand it, UD carbon is supposed to be better since it's in it's name it's literally unidirectional. Am I correct to assume that UD would be stronger than a 3K or 12K finish (because of how carbon is "directional" in strength, I'm new to materials science so maybe this is a totally wrong assumption about strength of carbon fiber but as I understand it it's partly to do with the quality of the fibers (Toray vs whatever else is out there) and also partly to do with how it's laid up and partly to do with the epoxy they use to make it rigid with the epoxy making up the bulk of the weight of the carbon object)? or are the layers underneath the 3K and 12K versions unidirectional anyways and the outer finish doesn't really matter too much? What about the bottom brackets? Am I safe getting a Pressfit BB (PF30 or BB92 or whatever the cool kids are using these days) and mounting that on the frame without it breaking from stress?

    Finally I'm hoping to be able to take the bike to a lift assisted bike park, will these bikes be OK for doing this kind of stuff without breaking? I'm not going to be doing double backflips or anything but doing blue and single black trails with mild drops and such.

    I'll be looking through the thread again when I have more time so if one of my questions has been hashed out a million times if you can either please direct me to the specific reply or at least let me know what keywords to search for that would be great.

    EDIT: BTW swuw231, where did you get those decals? Did you get them custom cut or were they from a sticker pack you bought?

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    Has anyone had a catastrophic failure I.E. more than just a small crack?? I've browsed through most of this thread and haven't seen a whole lot of damage?!
    Would anyone care to post pics of cracks/damage they have found ? very curious on durability, looks like they are doing pretty well

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    Been ripping my generic 27 full suspension through the trails for two years now without any issues .

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    I haven't heard of many issues either. Most problems have been due to damage in transit.

    I have to say that if the attention to detail on the outside is any indicator of how they laid things up on the inside, It should be pretty good. The fit and finish has been surprisingly good in my opinion. Both carbon and metal pieces alike appear to be well made and finished. No lazy casting flash or sloppy errant fibers or resin. I know I'm asking a lot from the frame at approaching 240 Lbs riding weight, but I know I'm not the only one at this size. I'm only a couple rides in, but so far so good. And the same can be said for my $19 carbon fiber bars! I was able to bounce my body weight on them bridged between two blocks of wood, and I couldn't get them to give up the ghost. Lets hope both the frame and bars stay that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forallhesgot View Post
    Has anyone had a catastrophic failure I.E. more than just a small crack?? I've browsed through most of this thread and haven't seen a whole lot of damage?!
    Would anyone care to post pics of cracks/damage they have found ? very curious on durability, looks like they are doing pretty well
    Don't quote me on this but I've heard that chances are your frame isn't going to break unless it's DOA/broken from the factory or your postal worker is a ham fisted idiot kicking around your package.

    That said from the number of people with these frames I've only heard of a handfull with broken frames, some because they abused the bikes some just developed them randomly (I remember reading a story of one guy who had his 29er HT frame for 6 months and the headtube developed a crack randomly, I think he was riding XC single tracks, commuting and that kind of stuff mainly) but I suspect the failure rate to be less than 1%. Just remember to torque things down to spec, use carbon grease (or rather special "grip paste" designed for carbon) and be on the safer side of torquing things down, if it says something like 6-10 N*m, torque down to 6 N*m. BTW, there are special allen key torque wrenches, I think they're like $5-10 each. I know Bontrager makes them for like $20 each, I'm sure park tool does as well but outside of that they should really be dirt cheap.

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    It takes a lot more than one ham fisted idiot postal worker to kick that box all the way from China.

    Good info on the torque wrench. The 5nm clicker is your best friend when assembling these things. I got mine off ebay for like 6 or 7 bucks.

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    I ended up ordering an FR-501 from flyxii a few weeks back and asked (a number of times I must say) for the 12x142 thru axle setup, but my frame arrived with the 135mm QR dropouts. Not a big deal, I emailed them and after they confirmed I had asked for the thru axle set up they said they would send me a set of their TA dropouts. Has anyone out there gotten the TA frame and, if so, were your dropouts threaded because mine aren't. I know now that flyxii has both threaded and unthreaded dropouts, but I have only ever seen threaded TAs. Does anyone have suggestions regarding the TA I should use with the frame given that there aren't any threads?

    Thanks

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    I just happened to stumble across some info regarding TAs on page 18. It looks like people with non threaded dropouts have had good luck with a shimano E-type thru axle in case others are in my same situation.

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    Any of these frames suitable for a single speed? Something with oversized bb shell maybe?

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    Oclax, I was just going to mention that. You need the e thru axle with the nut portion. Shimano has a few, as well as DT swiss and possible some others. The DT piece is the lightest option ive found.

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    Thanks man!

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    so does this mean that I have a shimano hanger? If so, is this compatible with sram 1x11 such as x1?

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    I dont think the hanger is brand specific. X1 should work as long as you have the SRAM XD freehub driver as far as I know, though I haven't gone 11 speed yet.

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    ok, that's what I thought, but I couldn't remember if I had heard something about brand specificity (seems all too common nowadays). Thanks for your replies

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    Hey swuw231, or anyone else who has one of the Scott Spark or FM156 rides out there. What is the limitation on travel for these things? swuw231, you mention 4.5" travel, but this is longer than the 110mm advertised on all the FM156s and shorter than the 120mm advertised on the Scott Spark. How much could you get if you changed shocks to a longer travel shock? Could you fit something longer than the 165/38mm shock, like a 184/44mm or a 190/50? Would the suspension accomodate a longer travel shock without bottoming out or hitting the frame? Could you pull off a 5" travel?

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    I pulled the trigger on a 27.5 hardtail frame from eBay seller "Velocarbon". I'm waiting for the frame to be delivered. Hoping to see it in the next week or two. I ordered the 15.5" with BSA BB and 142mm axle. Here's a link:

    Carbon Frame 27 5ER Mountain Bike Axle thru 15" Carbon Frame x 12mm on Sale $299 | eBay

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    IdahoLee Im getting about 110mm of travel, I dont think there is enough space to fit a larger shock than 6.5", maybe a 7" shock will fit tightly, but I really doubt it since there is barely space from the link to the seat tube.

    Tier1, decals came from ebay, about $20 shipped, very durable and water proof!

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    Has anyone else noticed that Peter from XMIplay is no longer on their contact list? He was really the only one I would dare making af deal with :/

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    He left XMIplay. Has his own company now. Details in the 29er version of this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    He left XMIplay. Has his own company now. Details in the 29er version of this thread.
    Thank you, Le Duke. Dug into the 29'er thread and found out that he and his wife, Bella, started their own business: Xiamen Carbon Speed Sport Goods Co.,Ltd

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    196 "T800 lightweight" over the cheaper generics?

    Hi All,

    So I am going to jump on the bandwagon with a home-built 27.5" hardtail.

    Talking to all the usual suppliers, but I am now stuck with a decision to spend $550+ from Peter/CarbonSpeed or XMIplay for the T800 xx-196 (and I think carbonality venture SL 27.5 is identical but only do up to 19" and I need a 20.5"/21" frame) - OR go cheap with one of the multitude of other frames that start at $300 upwards like Ican/DengFu/etc I have seen and seem to be 90% of the expensive 196 at a lot less cost and 150g more weight.

    Can anyone who as the xx-196 from XMI or carbon speed tell me why you chose that model and any regrets?

    Those rear-stay's look super-thin to me, but the 29" version which is popular in the other thread that has the same size stays has no reported failures.

    Harder to find builds on the 650b frames rather than the 29"ers

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    My frame arrived Monday. I had some axle woes (wrong axle, threaded insert never arrived) but I should have a Shimano axle today or tomorrow then I can finish the build and ride the bike.

    Here are the build specs:
    Velocarbon/Miracle 650b frame 15.5" (one of the only smalls I could find)
    RS Revelation RLT currently at 100mm - may try 120mm
    FSA headset
    Raceface Ride 60mm stem
    eBay carbon handlebar 720mm riser
    XT brakes w/ 160mm SLX rotors
    XTR rear shifter
    XT shadow+ rear derailleur
    XT 11-36 cassette
    KMC chain
    Raceface NW 34t ring on Deore arms
    Velomine (eBay) wheelset - WTB KOM (23mm) rims w/ SLX hubs
    Schwalbe Racing Ralph 27.5x2.25
    Syncros alloy seat post (takeoff)
    WTB Silverado saddle
    Shimano AX56 12x142 axle


    My estimate is that the bike will be around 22-23 lbs without pedals as is. I want it to blur the XC/trail lines a little bit. Might add a dropper post, bump the fork to 120mm, and add a wider front tire down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitecitadel View Post
    Can anyone who as the xx-196 from XMI or carbon speed tell me why you chose that model and any regrets?

    Those rear-stay's look super-thin to me, but the 29" version which is popular in the other thread that has the same size stays has no reported failures.
    Funny, I browsed through the 29'er thread a few days ago and actually stumbled upon a guy or two who actually experienced a crack in this area - even after a few weeks!
    Found the post for you: Chinese Carbon 29er - Page 339- Mtbr.com

    Be sure to read the responses to that specific post. I think the design of the 256-SL and the 196-SL is more or less the same. It's just a 29 and a 27'5 edition. Because of this it would be right to assume that the same issue would be on the 196-SL.

    Even though I haven't pulled the trigger on a frame yet, I've decided to save some money and go for the older 136-design (HongFu FM136 / XMI-Play IP-136 / Carbon Speed CS-136). Don't know if it's actually any better in this area of the frame but it sure looks like it. If you look at HongFu's store on Alibaba.com it even looks like they've updated the FM-136 from T700 to T800 carbon.
    Have a look: HF 650b hardtail inner cable MTB bicycling carbon frame, View MTB bicycling, OEM Product Details from Shenzhen Hongfu Sports Goods Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glud View Post
    Even though I haven't pulled the trigger on a frame yet, I've decided to save some money and go for the older 136-design (HongFu FM136 / XMI-Play IP-136 / Carbon Speed CS-136). Don't know if it's actually any better in this area of the frame but it sure looks like it. If you look at HongFu's store on Alibaba.com it even looks like they've updated the FM-136 from T700 to T800 carbon.
    Have a look: HF 650b hardtail inner cable MTB bicycling carbon frame, View MTB bicycling, OEM Product Details from Shenzhen Hongfu Sports Goods Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com
    I don't think they've updated the 136 frame from T700 to T800, or why the weight still around 1200g /piece ? They claimed T1000 on some of their road frames, but actually not, lot of guys talked about this in 29er thread before. And the xx-136 frames are made in same factory, maybe Hongfu just wants to catch our eyes.

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    If you check eBay, aliexpress and there site, one of them says T700/T800 in the same frame. I wondered if they used 800 in thin areas and 700 for the bulk.

    I assumed also all the same back end factory for all 136 frames under different brands.

    Bronco5 looking smart and great work space as well. How did you find the fit and finish of the frame in complex areas like bottom bracket and the rear axle and brake mount's?

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    whitecitadel, to be honest I'm probably not the best fit and finish critic. This is my first carbon frame and I haven't spent a lot of time studying any of them. I notice there are plenty of seams etc. throughout, but maybe that's normal for carbon frames? I can take close-up pictures of any areas if you want. I didn't see anything alarming, but I do worry about the drop-out style. Seems like potentially a lot of stress on the bolt holes. I'm a 135 lbs rider so hopefully I can get away with a little lack of engineering.

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    I didn't see anything bad in your pics, just having spent the day looking at frames, it seems there is a bit of a sliding scale of finish/weight/price so I just wondered what your thoughts were, thanks for comments.

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    I weighed the frame with the 135mm dropouts installed (1255g). Later weighed the dropouts at 32g. Forgot to weigh the 142mm dropouts before I installed them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glud View Post
    Funny, I browsed through the 29'er thread a few days ago and actually stumbled upon a guy or two who actually experienced a crack in this area - even after a few weeks!
    Found the post for you: Chinese Carbon 29er - Page 339- Mtbr.com

    Be sure to read the responses to that specific post. I think the design of the 256-SL and the 196-SL is more or less the same. It's just a 29 and a 27'5 edition. Because of this it would be right to assume that the same issue would be on the 196-SL.

    Even though I haven't pulled the trigger on a frame yet, I've decided to save some money and go for the older 136-design (HongFu FM136 / XMI-Play IP-136 / Carbon Speed CS-136). Don't know if it's actually any better in this area of the frame but it sure looks like it.
    Not sure I replied about this, thanks for taking time to find the post by the way, I think eventually that guy got a replacement 057?

    It's worrying, but lots of other variables like rider weight, terrain and other components. I am building some lightweight wheels for my build (I say building, never built a wheel before! Always keen to learn a new skill). The rims I am using are only 100kg loading, I am 80kg(ish) and bike will be maybe 10kg (hoping for a lot less) so hard hits to rear are more likely to damage rim before frame. Long term breakdown is a concern, could just be bad layup in that area on that particular frame mind.

    Did you order your frame yet? Just doing a deal with Peter for a 196 myself, have to say he was the easiest to communicate with in my view, hongfu seemed the most "casual" (cheap, but not sure I would bother with warranty), XMI seem OK but perhaps not quite as organised as they once where according to the 29er thread.

    I was debating the same lines as you, is the cheaper option the safer one.

    Bit of a wait as carbon speed did not have combo of size/finish/BB I wanted in stock so plenty of time to hunt for bargains for the rest of the components.

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    New here

    I just purchased an fm156 full sus from Hongfu. it is my second frame from there. the other one was an fm 015 road bike (I was very happy with the results). The lead time is 25 days so I will try to get my 10 posts in so I can post pictures when it arrives. 1 down

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    NO, just no. Do not order carbon frames online, if they are slightly damaged they could break. Try Giant.

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    What magic sauce do giant put in their frames then that makes them immune from breaking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitecitadel View Post
    What magic sauce do giant put in their frames then that makes them immune from breaking?
    Soy sauce.
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    I would think mole or siracha would work better.

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    so bizarre. of all the things to do in life to spend time searching for forums to troll

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    Yeah, those cheap Chinese frames will snap in half and you'll die...

    As an update, i've been riding and racing my FM136 since the beginning of 2013 and an IP156 since the beginning of 2014. Both frames have been flawless.

    My next adventure is going 35mm on my rims. I have a pair on order now from XMI Play. Would've gone directly with Peter, but there was some confusion as to who I was dealing with.

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    Are there any frames that can be built up as trail / all mountain? I'm looking to fit 2.4 tires and 140 - 160 mm of fork travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgluc11 View Post
    Are there any frames that can be built up as trail / all mountain? I'm looking to fit 2.4 tires and 140 - 160 mm of fork travel.
    Hardtail? Not sure. Full-suspension? Here's one. No experience with this frame.

    27.5ER T700 SUPER LIGHT CARBON ALL-MOUNTAIN FM288 - dengfubikes

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    Thanks for the link. I was looking into a HT

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    internal cable routing

    Quick question. I am building a FR503 hardtail for a friend. It came with the plastic tubes in all the internal routing ports. Are these used to pull housing/cable through the routes or are these plastic pipes designed to house the shift cable?

    Frame in question:

    FR503 Full Carbon UD Matt Mountain Bike MTB 27 5ER 650B BSA Frame Headset 17" | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by bronco5 View Post
    Quick question. I am building a FR503 hardtail for a friend. It came with the plastic tubes in all the internal routing ports. Are these used to pull housing/cable through the routes or are these plastic pipes designed to house the shift cable?
    I pulled the plastic tubes out, and pushed the cables through. The cable housing ends where the internal routing begins, so only the cable is on the inside.

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    I see that all these hardtail carbon frames are mostly XC race frames. Does anyone know of a hardtail Chinese carbon frame model that has more of a trail geo? Ideally, with these specs below:

    100-120mm fork travel
    23" ish ETT
    HT 69.00
    ST 72.50
    142x12 TA

    Or if that's too much to ask, how about a chinese hardtail carbon frame that is a copy or close geo to a Santa Cruz Highball?

    Thanks

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    Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition

    The IP-057 29er frame has a 69 degree HTA at 100mm. Scott a Scale 900 copy. Race bike.

    It's 2+ years old now; I'm sure there is a 27.5 equivalent.
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    Having searched the thread, I can see multiple people asking about front derailleur's but not many answers.

    I have a "CS-196" on order from Peter, so that has the E2 mount (SRAM Type 3 I understand) direct low mount for a side swing (correct me if any of this is wrong). I was planning on sticking on a XT FD-M985-E2 front mech on (crank is 38/24 XT) but I read in a few places that as the frame has the cable exit in the centre the routing is not ideal from the XT front mech?

    Is anyone using this mech with a 196 frame? If not what are you using?

    (please hold back your "I am using 1x11 and you should too suggestions" - 2x10 is what I need for local tracks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiggySawdust View Post
    I see that all these hardtail carbon frames are mostly XC race frames. Does anyone know of a hardtail Chinese carbon frame model that has more of a trail geo? Ideally, with these specs below:

    100-120mm fork travel
    23" ish ETT
    HT 69.00
    ST 72.50
    142x12 TA

    Or if that's too much to ask, how about a chinese hardtail carbon frame that is a copy or close geo to a Santa Cruz Highball?

    Thanks
    650B Disc Brake Carbon Frame 27 5ER Mountain Bike Bicycle Frame x 12mm Axle Thru | eBay

    This is the one that I have. I wanted similar specs to what you're seeking. I'm running a 100mm fork, but I'm about to bump it to 120mm. Mine is the small (15") frame. With a 515mm a2c fork (Revelation 120mm) the geometry should be as follows:

    ETT - 22.99"
    HT - 68.75
    ST - 71.75

    For comparison here is the 27.5 Highball 16" with a 120mm
    ETT - 580
    HT - 67.5
    ST - 71.5

    Not a perfect match, but it was close enough for me. Even with the 100mm fork the bike is still fun to ride and doesn't feel twitchy. I'm interested to see what the 120mm does to the ride/climb characteristics. I'm coming from a Heckler with a Zoke 150mm fork and I loved how it rode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitecitadel View Post
    Having searched the thread, I can see multiple people asking about front derailleur's but not many answers.

    I have a "CS-196" on order from Peter, so that has the E2 mount (SRAM Type 3 I understand) direct low mount for a side swing (correct me if any of this is wrong). I was planning on sticking on a XT FD-M985-E2 front mech on (crank is 38/24 XT) but I read in a few places that as the frame has the cable exit in the centre the routing is not ideal from the XT front mech?

    Is anyone using this mech with a 196 frame? If not what are you using?

    (please hold back your "I am using 1x11 and you should too suggestions" - 2x10 is what I need for local tracks).
    I ended up using Shimano XT FD-781A

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    Anyone know what size pivot bearings to replace on the HM-156 frame?

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    Bronco, thanks for the tip on the eBay frame. I'd like to see what the 120mm fork does to the handling and stand over. If you can remember, let me know how it works out when you increase the travel.

    Thanks again.

    Also, do you have some pictures of the bike as it is now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    I ended up using Shimano XT FD-781A
    Thanks gmats, how do you find the cable angle into the derailleur? Can I check you have the 196 frame, because your weight looks heavy for this frame in your chart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiggySawdust View Post
    Also, do you have some pictures of the bike as it is now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitecitadel View Post
    Thanks gmats, how do you find the cable angle into the derailleur? Can I check you have the 196 frame, because your weight looks heavy for this frame in your chart?

    This is the frame I got:
    Wholesale Product Snapshot Product name is 2014 New Light and popular full carbon frame mtb 27.5er,27 5 mtb frame BB92/BSA two years warranty,size 15/17/19/21 available

    The weight is the actual measured on my scale with the 12mm through axle drop outs.

    The cable angle seems fine. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures of that in detail.

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    Hope that helps.

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    Ah, yeah that's not a 196 which is bottom pull, as your ican frame is top pull.

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