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    If I built up a 503 hard tail frame, what are the expected total range in costs? I want to get a decent first mountain bike after having carbon road bikes. I don't need top of the line, but would like something that's mid-range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmc1818 View Post
    If I built up a 503 hard tail frame, what are the expected total range in costs? I want to get a decent first mountain bike after having carbon road bikes. I don't need top of the line, but would like something that's mid-range.
    That's all relative... You could spend anywhere from 300-5000+. No one can answer that for you.

    You need to just set a budget and buy new/used parts to fit that budget. Best place to spend the dough is in the wheels and tires, a reliable fork after that.
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    Thank you Weedling for your report! Alot of useful/good info =) A quick question, what mounting kit should I get for a 200x57 mm rock shox monarch shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanYouSeeMySaddle View Post
    Thank you Weedling for your report! Alot of useful/good info =) A quick question, what mounting kit should I get for a 200x57 mm rock shox monarch shock?
    No worries. I was told that the mounting hardware was 22.2 x 8mm. I am using 22mm for the ´front´ mount fine, but the rear is wider. I dont have calipers to get an accurate measurement but its around 26mm. Cant say for sure sorry

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    Quick clarification, my BB height is 318mm fork wound in, 328mm wound out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedling View Post
    No worries. I was told that the mounting hardware was 22.2 x 8mm. I am using 22mm for the ´front´ mount fine, but the rear is wider. I dont have calipers to get an accurate measurement but its around 26mm. Cant say for sure sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by halyho View Post
    1. The frame attachment does not provide for a positive stop in "down" direction. The only structural support is provided by two attachment screws that screw into the hanger itself. The thread only provides for minimal holding

    2. The inserted axle cutout is pulling on two small holes drilled into the carbon fiber tab, instead of a cutout for the whole axle (what is the reason on the first place for the implementation of a hollow 12 mm through axle). This implementation is technically worst then a traditional QR skewer attachment.
    I have been reading about these frames for a long time on these forums and this is my first post. You're scaring me man. I am trying figure out what you are saying. The only "down" force I can see is gravity trying to pull the wheel down when air-born(maybe some added g-force when accelerating up). Do you think that small force will rip out those screws? The QR does fine with just friction or are you talking about something else. If you are worried about forces not parallel to the fibers look at someone like Bubba Watson hitting a golf ball at 130mphclub speed not parallel to the fibers of the carbon shaft.(exaggeration, sorry, but I am trying to convince myself to buy a frame)

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    Anyone riding the XT275 with 142x12 rear end? What axle are you guys using? I want to use a DT RWS, but not sure about the driveside dropout. Is it threaded or does it require a nut?

    I know the frames don't include and axle and no one on alibaba sells any.

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    Hi just thought I'd share my IP-136 build. very pleased so far
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    So I've read through this thread a few times now and I'm trying to decide whether to go with the Ip-136(Fm-136) or the FR-503. Can anybody elucidate on the differences between these two. It looks like I can get the Fr-503 on ebay for 380-ish shipped. Whereas the IP/FM-136 is around 480ish shipped. The builds I've seen of both look sweet and I'm all but ready to pull the trigger just trying to decide whether to go XMI-play, Hung-fu, or flyxii. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caderader View Post
    So I've read through this thread a few times now and I'm trying to decide whether to go with the Ip-136(Fm-136) or the FR-503. Can anybody elucidate on the differences between these two. It looks like I can get the Fr-503 on ebay for 380-ish shipped. Whereas the IP/FM-136 is around 480ish shipped. The builds I've seen of both look sweet and I'm all but ready to pull the trigger just trying to decide whether to go XMI-play, Hung-fu, or flyxii. Thanks!
    Just look at the geometry. I forget exactly, but that's the reason I chose the 503, the sizing is similar but not exactly the same i think. Also, the 503 has different cable routing, more "external", not a big deal. And the price.

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    What would be a decent mid-tier fork for the 503/136

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    I'm thinking I'm going to spec mine with x-fusion velvet or RS reba. Both have good reviews for the price (read good value!)

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    So I'm thinking about going with the IP-136. From what I understand it is spec'd for a 100 mm fork. Anybody thats ridden the 136 think it would throw off geometry etcetera took much if i threw a 110mm fork on it. I ask because I found a smoking deal on a 650b 110mm x-fusion velvet rl2.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael9218 View Post
    I ordered up my second Chinese carbon frame, this time from XMIPlay. I previously bought and built up an FM 136 from Hong-Fu bikes and have been very happy with that bike. I decided to try a full suspension 650b to replace my old Ellsworth Truth. I would've considered a new 650b Truth, but their pricing is just stupid. So, for $700 I bought the 120mm travel full suspension IP 156.
    Thanks for posting about this frame, as I was considering it as well. Hope you can answer a few questions I had.
    How's it holding up?
    What are the specs for the rear shock that you used?
    What type of axle/dropout are you using in the rear? Previously in this thread there was someone who was concerned when using a 142x12 TA on a frame similar to this one, so I wanted to see more opinions about it.

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    Mike, Just sent you a PM but this post answers my questions. What are you doing for lock out. Any remote on the bar?

    Also, any new ride reports on the new steed?

    Thanks

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    So after bouncing back and forth a bunch I've decided to go with the ip-156.

    Can anybody help me out with sizing, I'm 182 cm tall(5'11.75") with a 88.3 cm inseam (34.75 inches). According to CompetitiveCyclist fit calculator my ideal effective top tube length is between the 18" and the 20". I think the 18" would probably be right for me? Any suggestions??

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    Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition

    I have the FR503 from Flyxii for 27.5 and will try to convert to 29er with Lefty. Any previous experience?

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    I'm your size and went with the large frame. That would be my recommendation.

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    Thanks michael, I just pulled the trigger on a IP-156. Got the 20" frame, I'll let everybody know how it works out. Also wanted to note XMI-play's combo of customer service (read Peter's english is the best of anyone I talked to) and price was unbeatable for me.

    Now does anybody have advice on fork and shock combo? I'm planning on putting a velvet rl2 up front and am debating between a CTD and a x-fusion o2 in the back. Any input would be awesome!!

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    Not going to break on you!

    Well my wife (the Chinese frame is hers) drove into the garage with the bike on top of her SUV.

    I know she wacked it pretty hard because the rear half of the bike rack bent approximately 20 degrees and damaged the roof of her Q5.

    The Reba fork was bent about 10 degrees and the end of the QR axle completely snapped off.

    No "visible" external damage to the frame. How it fared inside, well only God knows. I'm going to ride it a few times to see if there are any noticeable flexing. If not, ride on.

    Seems like a solid frame to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrul View Post
    I have the FR503 from Flyxii for 27.5 and will try to convert to 29er with Lefty. Any previous experience?
    It'll slack out the head angle and raise the BB a little. In the rear I don't think there's room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    Anyone riding the XT275 with 142x12 rear end? What axle are you guys using? I want to use a DT RWS, but not sure about the driveside dropout. Is it threaded or does it require a nut?

    I know the frames don't include and axle and no one on alibaba sells any.

    Thanks!
    To answer my own question, the XT275 (and I presume others) work great with the Shimano E-thru axle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    It'll slack out the head angle and raise the BB a little. In the rear I don't think there's room.
    Just for information, I tried this morning with rear 29er wheel and even though the IKON 2.2 is close to the frame, the clearance is enough

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    Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition

    Does anybody know which kind of lightweight 142x12 rear axle should I use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrul View Post
    Does anybody know which kind of lightweight 142x12 rear axle should I use?
    It depends on the dropouts, but try looking up two posts... ^^^
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    Anyone find a Chinese carbon hardtail trail bike with a 23ish ETT and 68ish HT? Designed for a 120mm fork? Something like a Jamis Dragon, but in carbon.

    On-One's 456c is too slack. Otherwise I would get it. Hell, I might even go Ti, if the 456 Evo Ti had a less slack HT.

    Thanks in advance.

    Miggy

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    XmIplay IP-136

    I took the gram penalty and went w/ the 136. (18", I'm 5'7) I also bought the handlebar, cage, seatpost & rims from Iplay. I'm happy w/ all of it. On the post, you need to have an open seat to get at one of the mounting bolts. The cage does not fit camelbak bottles. The hubs are novatec, bladed spokes. Tires mounted perfect, ~35psi and dish soap. I run the front tire tubeless at 18psi and it has yet to burp. The rimset weight is slightly less than stans crest setup. I think these rims are going to prove tougher than the crest. Drivetrain: 1x10 xt/x9/wolftooth32ring. Weight is just under 20 lbs. I've only ridden it 4 time (2 races) and am definitely faster than last year.

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    ^^^^Looks great.
    Don't say you are faster than last year because of the bike on this site because all these "experts" will say it's you and not the bike. HAHA

    Nice build.
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    Thanks brotha. (I'm sure its all me *cough*)

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    Anyone know the xx1 Q factor on the hf-hm 196 hardtail? Can I get away with the 156 q factor cranks?
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    Michael,
    I am thinking to do a very similar build.
    How is yours holding up?

    I have one main question still about the bottom bracket sizing.
    Is the Shimano XTR BB, sm-bb93, compatible with the BSA version of this frame without using any bottom bracket type adapters?

    Still getting up to speed on the bottom bracket stuff.
    I am planning to go with the XTR components group and the Fox Float 32 120mm front and comparable rear, mounting a lockout solution on the handlebar.

    If the Shimano sm-bb93 isn't natively compatible (without using adapter cups), I think will look at an FSA SL-K BB and crankset.


    Thanks,
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    Hey all - thanks largely to this thread I ordered a Flyxxi FR503 (17", 12x142, BSA) and had few questions.

    1. Is the Bottom Bracket shell 68 or 73mm wide? (Trying to figure out the spacer situation)
    2. Is the internal routing built to take full-length housing?
    3. Is the internal routing for Derailleurs only? (It looks like it)
    4. Did anyone have the need to face the bottom bracket shell? (I'll be using using XT external bearing BB)

    That's it for now but thanks in advance to anyone who can help a rider out! Heck, thanks for this thread at all and/or any other advice you may have.

    Oh and my build? Velvet RL (black), Full XT 2x10 incl brakes, Mavic Crossrides (w/Stans), Nevegals, Easton EC70 Post and Bar, EA Stem, Flite saddle.

    Given this is my first new bike since I build up my original 853 steel Dean Jester (the hardtail not the softtail) back in the mid-90s I am stoked! (Does anyone still say stoked? Maybe I should add that as question 5...) Discs, 650b, 2x10, tubeless ... too much change for me to even imagine how fun this will be!

    My build spreadsheets out at an honest 22lbs (claimed weights though) with Eggbeater 2s. Total cost $2200 and that even includes all the little things - even carbon paste.

    Cheers all.

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    I have that frame. The BB is supposed to be 73mm but I did have to use a spacer with my Race Face BB so all bets are off... I did not have to face the BB before installing. It went together just fine.

    The internal routing is for derailleurs only. I'm not sure what you're referring to in regards to cable housing. You'll need housing from the shifter to the frame and a ferrule on each end. Then another length of housing from the frame to the derailleurs. The internal runs hang free inside the frame.

    And yes people still say stoked =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedling View Post
    Quick clarification, my BB height is 318mm fork wound in, 328mm wound out
    Hey Weedling,

    Just checking in with you on the bike and if you have it set up with full 27.5 yet? I have a sweep on order that I'd like to run on this frame at 140mm front. Still not sure about the right rear shock though. Can you provide some info on your rear set up - mounting hardware, spacers, etc. that you used with success? Head and seat angles would prove useful as well. Thanks!
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    I have been reading this thread for a while and so ordered a full suspension 650b, I like building my bikes and happy to answer any question regarding this style frame.Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-image.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzablade View Post
    Hi

    I have been reading this thread for a while and so ordered a full suspension 650b, I like building my bikes and happy to answer any question regarding this style frame.Click image for larger version. 

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    Hey gazzablade,
    Same as above...looking for build specs on one of these full suss for future reference plz. I have the fork, x-fusion sweep and would love to set it up at 140mm but not sure about the rear. Have you built one up yet utilizing a rear shock with more than 5 inches of travel? Nice wheels btw. Thnx
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    Hey Nh Mtbiker

    I have done a rough rear Tavel measure and it's approx 120mm, not much I know as head angle is quite slack.
    I am in the middle of the build will post as I go on, running fox fork of 120mm travel to match back end.
    Rest of spec is xt 1x10 with 42t rear cassette, which is what started this all off.
    Thanks about comment on wheels, bought carbon rims from the same supplier with Enve style decals.
    I will post more measurements soon

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    Forgot to say, got the frame and wheels via aliexpress, dashine bike. Great at comms(via Caroline) but long delays on delivery. I did ask for a gloss frame but received a Matt one, when complained,they will give a discount if ordered again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    Hey Weedling,

    Just checking in with you on the bike and if you have it set up with full 27.5 yet? I have a sweep on order that I'd like to run on this frame at 140mm front. Still not sure about the right rear shock though. Can you provide some info on your rear set up - mounting hardware, spacers, etc. that you used with success? Head and seat angles would prove useful as well. Thanks!
    Hey

    Rear setup is 22mm and 26mm x 8mm, and using a 200x57mm shock with no clearance issues. Angles are in my OP, but 74ish for the seat (effective) and 65.5 for the head with my fork fully out (540mm A2C)

    Still loving the bike, it has done at least 20,000m of ascending/ descending already. One issue I am having is needing to grease where the main pivot bearings sit in the frame to stop them creaking. Did it last week, needs doing again .... its not a tight press fit, they just sort of slot into place. New bearings maybe ....

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    oh one more thing. The frame was missing two tiny spacers in the bushings where the seat stays meet the drop out, this made the first part of the travel very stiff. I ended up making my own and its been fine. Just make sure your linkage cycles smoothly all the way before you build her up, hope you dont have this problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeLee View Post
    Hey all - thanks largely to this thread I ordered a Flyxxi FR503 (17", 12x142, BSA) and had few questions.
    2. Is the internal routing built to take full-length housing?
    3. Is the internal routing for Derailleurs only? (It looks like it)
    So the frame arrived today aaaaaaand ... it has internal routing for the rear brake cable. Is it going to be possible to get a hydraulic line thru those holes? I guess I will find out later as I am sitting at work with the frame right now. It will be my first bike with disc brakes (XT) so I am not going to do it myself. If it seems possible I will have a shop handle it as I assume the line will have to be removed and replaced and the system bled.

    Anyone else come across this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeLee View Post
    So the frame arrived today aaaaaaand ... it has internal routing for the rear brake cable.Click image for larger version. 

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    I have that model and it only has internal routing for the shift cables. It's hard to tell from the pictures but your looks identical. Can you provide pictures from the front and bottom to confirm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonX View Post
    I have that model and it only has internal routing for the shift cables. It's hard to tell from the pictures but your looks identical. Can you provide pictures from the front and bottom to confirm?
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    Entry at head tube (lower one is brake) Upper is Front Mech.

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    Exit on non-driveside chainstay just ahead of brake post mounts.

    It sure doesn't look like a hydraulic line would fit.

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    Well that's slick. Wish mine had that. It looks to me like it will work. It looks like it's made to fit either brake housing or hydro lines (which aren't any bigger). But you will have to disconnect the fittings from the lines and drain them to install them in the frame. If you're going to have the bike shop do it anyways then I wouldn't worry too much.

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    I was hoping that was the case because I assumed a 5mm end cap would go in the enitre line would too.

    So thanks man that's a load off my mind. Maybe I will just DIY as I have done it on cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonX View Post
    Well that's slick. Wish mine had that. It looks to me like it will work. It looks like it's made to fit either brake housing or hydro lines (which aren't any bigger). But you will have to disconnect the fittings from the lines and drain them to install them in the frame. If you're going to have the bike shop do it anyways then I wouldn't worry too much.
    Yeah, if your brakes are pre-assembled and prebled, then you'll have to cut one end and run it through the frame and attach an new fitting, depending on the brand. The hose will run right down the frame, but there's probably no internal sleeve, so you have to fish it through. It's usually easiest to start at the chainstay and go up to the head tube. You might be able to tape the end of the hose to the end of that plastic sheath they preinstalled for you. Tape them end to end, not overlapping, so it'll fit through the internal routing holes in the frame.
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    My 503 frame had full internal guides. No fishing needed. And yes, 5mm cable housing or brake hose fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    My 503 frame had full internal guides. No fishing needed. And yes, 5mm cable housing or brake hose fit.
    That is AWESOME news - I sure hope mine does too as it will save a ton of trouble.

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    I recently cracked my 650b XC hardtail and I've seriously been considering pulling the trigger on one of the 100-120mm rear FS frames that are kicking around. I'd use it as a XC Race/Light AM bike to compliment my 26" Enduro/AM bike. I'd want to go for the FS because overall I think I'm faster on FS bikes. I did a few races in a local XC series and posted faster lap times on my Enduro bike than my XC hardtail.

    Seeing as I have most of the parts as takeoffs from my XC bike bar the Frame and Fork.

    I'd be going for an XT build with Elixir 5's for brakes. For the fork I'd try a Velvet or Revelation in 120-130mm and a Monarch RL out back.


    Has anyone had their frames painted by XMIplay or someone else? How was the quality? I think it'd be funny to get it tennis ball yellow with "your brand here" written on the side, especially at races.

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    Anyone know what size steerer tube/headset needs to be used with the FM156/IP-156 frames?

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    My FM156 taking shape.
    This will be my first 650b bike.
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    what size rear shock will the frame take? Hoping the one off my Santa Cruz Nickel will fit. Still need to find the size of that one before I order anything.

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    On the FM156, 165mm is the longest that will fit. There is no room for anything longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedling View Post
    oh one more thing. The frame was missing two tiny spacers in the bushings where the seat stays meet the drop out, this made the first part of the travel very stiff. I ended up making my own and its been fine. Just make sure your linkage cycles smoothly all the way before you build her up, hope you dont have this problem
    Hi Weedling, I think I have the same issue, not sure how stiff the travel was with your frame.
    There was a slight difference in travel resistance, now I have the shock in place, it does not travel too good. Can you post picks of the spacers you installed and spec if poss.
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzablade View Post
    Hi Weedling, I think I have the same issue, not sure how stiff the travel was with your frame.
    There was a slight difference in travel resistance, now I have the shock in place, it does not travel too good. Can you post picks of the spacers you installed and spec if poss.
    Cheers
    Hey, its late here at the moment, but i will get some pics tomorrow for sure.
    In the meantime my issue was that tightening the seatstay bolts caused the seatstay to clamp down against the chainstay and bind. loosen the bolts and check if it becomes smoother. It will only be noticeable in the first 15% of the travel or so because that is the only part of the travel where is actually cycles, and then remains static throughout.

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    Many thanks I will test this out in the morning, cheers for the guidance.

    Also note to others, I have to run a 160mm rear rotor, with the xt brakes. When I place the 180mm adapter, the brake calliper was in contact with the seat stay

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    Hey Gazzablade and Weedling


    I'm getting confused
    I can see you both have recieved the same frame (LKT088)


    One said there is a travel of approx 140mm (135.5mm) with a 200x57 shock and a lot of clearance
    The other said it can only manage a travel of 120mm. ? (I guess this it with a 200x50, but what about the frame clearance?)


    Who is right here `?


    I'm about to order a frame like yours but is hoping for a travel of approx 140mm.


    What did you guys pay for the frame and from who ?


    Thanks in advance.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Hi,

    I 'should' be getting 135mm based on what I was told when i brought the frame, which was that you get 118.9mm of travel with a 50mm stroke shock. But to be honest i think i am getting more like 120mm with a 57mm! I dont have an exact measurement sorry.

    I paid $730 shipped from Feel bicycle, but i advise against using them. still waiting for things missing from my order 2 months down the line ....

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    Hi lingren

    Yes I got the lkt088 this was for 650usd(great exchange rates at the mo). I bought from dashine bikes
    The rear travel was a very rough estimate.
    I will post some measurement up for you shortly

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    Thanks Weedling

    Gazza.
    I would really appreciate some measurements
    Thanks a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedling View Post
    Hi,

    I 'should' be getting 135mm based on what I was told when i brought the frame, which was that you get 118.9mm of travel with a 50mm stroke shock. But to be honest i think i am getting more like 120mm with a 57mm! I dont have an exact measurement sorry.

    I paid $730 shipped from Feel bicycle, but i advise against using them. still waiting for things missing from my order 2 months down the line ....
    Well, i just did some measurement / animations duo to drawings i received for the Ltk088 frame.
    I ran it through Autocad and made a simulation with at 200x50mm stroke and a 200x57mm stroke.

    The 200x50mm. ran in at EXACTLY 100mm. of rear wheel travel.
    With the 200x57mm. you are up with approx 113mm. of rear wheel travel.

    These measurements have taken the circular movement into account and should be pretty exact.

    WHAT a bummer... I was really hoping for a long travel bike.. But i guess not

    BTW. Gazza and Weedling.
    It's 2 different frames you guys have.
    The above measurements is based on the LTK088 frame Weedling have.

    I hope people can use this, so they don't expect to get a long travel bike for a bargain!

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    Good job Lindgren, but shame about the result ... Bloody Chinese, i was told 118.9 from multiple sources. For me its kind of a blessing in disguise though, i would never have purchased the frame had i known the real travel, but in the end, i really like it.
    Are you going to complain / return the frame?

    Also i think me and Gazza do have the same frame, his is just a much smaller size

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    I haven't bought a frame.
    I just asked a seller with the LTK088 about the specs and drawings/measurements.
    Based on the drawings i received, i made an computer-animation to figure out the travel.
    I've got drawings for 16", 18" and 20", where the rear suspension system is the same.
    On the frame Gazza have you can see the pivot at the rearshock is slightly different than yours

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    Looks the same to me albeit his is halfway into it's travel in the photo. Really appreciate the computer wizardry though, weldone!
    Are you able to export the animation at all? I might like to use it to have a whinge at the company (feel bicycle)

    Thanks again

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    Ahh, that's what cracks my eyes, Of course!
    I guess i saw a shock on his bike
    Then it for sure is the same specs on you bikes.

    Sorry but i can't.
    It's a "special" program which is quite expensive.
    Can't open the file in other programs - sry.

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    No worries, thanks again

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    So I guess there are no longer travel full suspension frames available?

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    ok I'm looking at the IP-156 full suspension 27.5er frame. currently i have a RP23 140mm travel shock..i also have a rock shock revelation XX fork for a 26"..i am assuming the only thing transferable is the 140mm RP23? also, which one is the external threaded bottom bracket, BSA or BB30? Also curious on what suggestions for stem length...im assuming 90mm?, crank length..170 or 175? I know this all varies, but again...seeing what can potentially be compatible or not and want to make sure i can get a frame with a external threaded bottom bracket. Any and all info will be great!

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    BSA. 175 if you're over 6ft. 170 if you're under. You have to measure your shock's eye-to-eye length and stroke and compare that to what the frame specifies. 60-80mm stem length. If in between frame sizes go up and get a shorter stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    BSA. 175 if you're over 6ft. 170 if you're under. You have to measure your shock's eye-to-eye length and stroke and compare that to what the frame specifies. 60-80mm stem length. If in between frame sizes go up and get a shorter stem.
    Cool, thanks for the info much appreciated! I am also seeing 120mm for fork travel to be a common trend? 140mm might be overkill and throw the geo off?

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    I think somewhere mid-thread Peter from IPlay had a promotion on an all mtn FS frame that I would assume has more travel. And now I see Peter is banned....

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    I wouldn't put a 140mm fork on a 100-120mm travel frame. You'll get a high BB and handlebar and will have trouble using all the travel.
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    IP-088. Looks like the same frame as the ltk088. Never mind....

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    Almost done ...

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    Pardon the backdrop. When I get the headset race I can finally ride the damn thing. Oh and thanks Cane Creek for putting a 1 1/8 Race in the box with a 1.5" bottom bearing!

    The build went super-easy, no snags really. The internal shifter lines would not accept full-length housing as there are stops at the entry and exit points. The rear brake line was cake as all internal routing has full tubes inside.

    Crossrides (only front is setup tubeless right now), 2.1 Nevegals, Full XT (2x10), EC70 Post/Bar, EA70 Stem, Velvet R = 25.8 Lbs on bathroom scale.

    Cannot wait!

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    Looks like I may be out $600 on a bad HongFu FM-136

    Hi all,

    Regrettably, my first post here is not the happy one I hoped for. I received a HongFu FM-136 in early May and it had a bubbles/delam in the layup.

    I notified HongFu. Rep said it was a production process problem, and instructed me to return frame to them. They said that upon receipt of the bad frame they they would refund the $85 return shipping I had to front, and repair the frame. I was not comfortable with a repair job, so asked for new replacement frame and rep said OK.

    In early June, HongFu rep received frame. They said they would send a replacement in one week, but that they would refund return shipping only after I received the replacement frame and confirmed it was good. Holding my return shipping hostage was my first indication of aggressive tactics.

    After two more weeks of HongFu rep saying they would send the replacement frame that week, I expressed my dissatisfaction with the delay and again requested my return shipping be refunded. I then get a reply email on June 22 that the rep I had been working with was out sick until July 5. They are clearly stonewalling now.

    The facts I've summarized are all documented via email, and I've opened a dispute with paypal, but I may be out $600.

    Does anyone have any advice as to how I should handle this further?

    Here's a pic of a bubble:

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    Here's a quote from HongFu rep:
    "very sorry for that,
    1.i have send the picture to our Quality inspection departments,
    2.Verified is our quality problem, we will immediately send a new one back to you, but after we received your return frame,
    3. you need after we receive your return to the frame, before that can you quote me return shipping it? then i can do the after-service better for you,
    4.This problem is the appearance does not matter with the glossy finish, is in the production process of the carbon cloth without gripping,
    5. if you like the glossy finish, not need to change matt finish"

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    I'd get all your docs/pics in the paypal dispute page. If the dispute is going nowhere, don't miss the time limit to escalate to a claim. I doubt paypal will side w/ HF (if you have what you say you have). Also, if you used a credit card you probably have some protection thru them. I bet HF comes thru. Good luck.

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    I hope that you get a quick solution to this.
    I may have a similar dispute with a frame which has a crack near the upper headset.

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    My paypal dispute for the original purchase price was denied by HF. They told me they would only send a replacement frame if I closed the paypal dispute. Paypal rules are that if you close your dispute you cannot ever escalate it to paypal claim. Of course HF knows paypal rules, so that they would even suggest such an ultimatum is shenanigans.

    Getting the biz from HF surprises me all the more because I've shown I'm not a high maintenance customer. This is the second FM-136 I bought in as many months. I went halfsies with a buddy on the first, who bought me out when it arrived in good shape. So, I ordered this one a few weeks later. But it takes a problem for HF to show their stripes...giving such a hard time over small money.

    I don't mean to hijack this thread, but this is one I read through when I was exploring frame options/vendors and would have liked to know more about how HF handles problems. So, carry on y'all and I'll stay calm...will update once again upon final resolution of paypal claim, or if anyone has a specific question.

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    Yea, no way I'd close the dispute until you get the money or the frame....

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    I placed my order with Peter from xmiplay.cn for the IP-156 frame with a 142 rear axle and some IP-HR735C 35mm hookless rims. Getting all my build pieces together now and I'll report back with progress. I've got a SRAM X01 1x11 groupset and stans 3.30 hubs that I picked up a month ago going onto this bike.

    I've got an x-fusion velvet rl2 fork, hilo dropper seat post, and a few other things on order. Only thing that I haven't ordered yet is the rear shock and some smaller items.

    Looking forward to building this up.

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    It's done. Maiden voyage tomorrow morning. Dean is jealous.

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    On the street in front of the house in flip-flops bedding brakes it is awesome.

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    Lotsa good info here, thanks. Can anybody tell me if the Velocarbon frame on ebay is the same as one of these frames?

    650B Hard Tails Carbon Frame 27 5ER Mountain Bike Carbon Frame x 12mm Axle Thru | eBay
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    Thanks!

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    Subbing since I have an entire bike worth of spare parts a la slx / avid elixir 7, gonna grab one of these frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay View Post
    Lotsa good info here, thanks. Can anybody tell me if the Velocarbon frame on ebay is the same as one of these frames?

    650B Hard Tails Carbon Frame 27 5ER Mountain Bike Carbon Frame x 12mm Axle Thru | eBay
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    Its not an IP-136. (I have not seen this velo frame before.)

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    Are any of you gents using these frames of taller stature? I'm 6'3" and the ETT on all of these frames seems a bit short. For comparison, my xl f29 is 641mm ETT and the 20.5 IP-136 has an ETT of 625. I don't know that I should be complaining about 15mm and I can cwrtainly make it up in stem length, just curious.

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    The XL (I think it was called 21") FR503 is pretty big. I'm 6'2" and have never had a bike with so little seatpost sticking out. The top tube feels considerably longer than my XL Ibis Mojo SL. I'm running a 60mm stem so I think you'd be comfortably stretched out with a 70 or 80, let alone one of those XC length jobs.
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    Awesome thank you.

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    Carbonality Bike

    I purchased the frame, fork and rims from Carbonality. Fork is a thru axle 29er but it had the correct AC that I was looking for. It was all together uneventful ordering the bike . Bike is built with Ritchey bar, stem, post. Drivetrain is X9 rear and XT Front and XO brakes. Bike should be under ~17.3.

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    That post made me so excited until I checked their site. To my chagrin, their frames only go up to 19" :-(

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    This is turning out to be one hell of a tough go. Neither flyxii nor xiamplay have any 20.5 - 21 (basically xl) frames. Tome to stuff through this thread and figure out who else sells these things.

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    Hey, have a look at xmiplay IP-027 frame.
    21" size frame has 627mm ETT - the longest i could find. Actually I've ordered the same frame but it's still on the way.

    Also the correct ETT length for the IP-136 20" is 620mm

    cheers,
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    Yeah those aren't so terrible. How long ago did you order?

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    Shipping might take quite a long time. If they have it in stock can be shipped immediately, depends on frame type, size, finishing
    In my case it's very long - I ordered it in the very beginning of May and still haven't received it.

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    Oh ok. I actually received an email back from fly, they may have one in stock, if so I'm going to try and pick it up this weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    This is turning out to be one hell of a tough go. Neither flyxii nor xiamplay have any 20.5 - 21 (basically xl) frames. Tome to stuff through this thread and figure out who else sells these things.
    Search ebay for FR503. I think the IP136 also comes in XL.
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    I don't think either of those have a swappable dropout which isn't a deal breaker but not desirable. I'll have to check. Thanks for the info!

    I'm fairness the only other option I'm considering (on one 45650b) is a 135 only option but at 220# I like the idea of a 142 axle to reduce flex

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    As for the FR503 21", when I contacted Flyxii 2 months ago, the answer was short:

    SORRY , W JUST have 17" , 19"

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    Hey all, I have some bad news to report about my Hong-fu FM136 frame which I built up on the 5th October 2013 (I posted a photo of her in post 264). It has developed at hair line crack in the top tube and seat tube junction (see photo below) I can feel it with my finger nail and when I push down on the rear portion of my saddle and flex the frame I can see the crack get bigger.

    The problem I have is I bought the frame in February and it sat in storage while I collected the parts to build it, so my one year warranty has expired.

    I have emailed Hong-fu bikes with the photo and I am awaiting their response, but I don't think they will do anything.

    Does anyone think this is repairable or worth being repaired?



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    I have seen some impressive builds in this thread; however, I wonder how they are being ridden. Are you guys & gals just riding smooth single track or are some really beating the heck out of them on the trails? Just curious about long term durability.

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    Yeah the above post may have just nudged me in the direction of the boat anchor on-one 45650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by impossible View Post
    As for the FR503 21", when I contacted Flyxii 2 months ago, the answer was short:
    I got mine off ebay. Just searched fr503 21".
    Keep the Country country.

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    oops
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    Should be a quick and easy repair. I've fixed much worse in the past. Most repair companies could have you up and running quick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trd620 View Post
    Hey all, I have some bad news to report about my Hong-fu FM136 frame which I built up on the 5th October 2013 (I posted a photo of her in post 264). It has developed at hair line crack in the top tube and seat tube junction (see photo below) I can feel it with my finger nail and when I push down on the rear portion of my saddle and flex the frame I can see the crack get bigger.

    The problem I have is I bought the frame in February and it sat in storage while I collected the parts to build it, so my one year warranty has expired.

    I have emailed Hong-fu bikes with the photo and I am awaiting their response, but I don't think they will do anything.

    Does anyone think this is repairable or worth being repaired?



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    Quote Originally Posted by innocent_bystander View Post
    My paypal dispute for the original purchase price was denied by HF. They told me they would only send a replacement frame if I closed the paypal dispute. Paypal rules are that if you close your dispute you cannot ever escalate it to paypal claim. Of course HF knows paypal rules, so that they would even suggest such an ultimatum is shenanigans...
    After escalating paypal dispute to a claim, and paypal getting no response from seller within allotted time, I received a refund from paypal for original purchase price and shipping. I'm still out the return shipping of the frame and a few months of time, but could be worse.

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    Wrong thread

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    Oh nice! Is that where you got yours? I'm gonna shoot then an email for pricing

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    Quote Originally Posted by stibar01 View Post
    I have seen some impressive builds in this thread; however, I wonder how they are being ridden. Are you guys & gals just riding smooth single track or are some really beating the heck out of them on the trails? Just curious about long term durability.
    I race the IP-136. 1.5' drop max. Average about 50 miles a week, hard but not abusive. Typical MN/WI trails, mostly tame. At 135# my 2cents is probably worthless....

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    No, but they were in the running. Also check out "speedercycling". Looks like they have a 21". (FF-M27.5er) Or "icanbikes". Their website may have incorrect info.

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    You are the man, sir. Thank you.

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    Hi all,

    Just joined this forum thanks to this thread. Based on all the great info here, I've decided that my next MTB will be a china-build. While I'm saving some money and researching parts for my build, I've figured that I might as well join the conversation here. Bear with me - my English might not be pitch perfect

    Anyway, I'm pretty excited about the Flyxii FR-503 since it's now available with full internal cable routing (AnneYang from Flyxii confirmed this to me by e-mail). I've also considered the IP-136 from XMIplay, but this is mainly due to Peters quality service and English I've read so much about. I just tend to like the FR-503 geo a bit more.

    Furthermore, I've just come across a new 650b Flyxii frame on eBay and Aliexpress called "FR-504". Can't really see any differences compared to the FR-503. Does anyone know anything about this fella?

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    Quote Originally Posted by natron5000 View Post
    I race the IP-136. 1.5' drop max. Average about 50 miles a week, hard but not abusive. Typical MN/WI trails, mostly tame. At 135# my 2cents is probably worthless....
    Thanks for the feedback! I'm in same weight range so much appreciated.

    By chance, do you mind commenting on the build & weight? Really curious about the fork & wheelset.

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    I have not reviewed all of this thread but, have searched (throughout the Internet) for information regarding Weil carbon frames. Can anyone comment on these or a direct experience with one?

    For example:

    MTB Frame - Wiel Carbon Bicycles

    Unfortunately, it all appears to be 26" MTB frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stibar01 View Post
    Thanks for the feedback! I'm in same weight range so much appreciated.

    By chance, do you mind commenting on the build & weight? Really curious about the fork & wheelset.
    I posted pics and some info 5/20/14 of this thread. Weight is 20lbs, 1x10 drivetrain. Fork is a sid 27.5 xx, tapered steerer, 9mm dropouts, xloc remote. My first sid, I like the fox float better... Wheelset came from Iplay. Novatec hubs, bladed spokes, carbon rims w/ hook bead. I think the weight was about 1450 grams for the set. The wheels spin nice, a little loud. They mount easy and have never burped. (Tubeless.) I'm thinking about getting a different set of skewers. The axles will move around in the dropout. QR needs to be REALLY tight. Overall I like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glud View Post
    Furthermore, I've just come across a new 650b Flyxii frame on eBay and Aliexpress called "FR-504". Can't really see any differences compared to the FR-503. Does anyone know anything about this fella?
    To answer my own question above, the FR-504 is the same as the FR-503. Anne from Flyxii just confirmed this too

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    Something on longevity. Check out Lamere Cycles. I believe they have been selling bikes w/ Hong Fu frames for some time. And I THINK Hong Fu has strong relation to IPlay. This was a big part of why I went w/ Iplay. I know, lots of assumptions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by natron5000 View Post
    Something on longevity. Check out Lamere Cycles. I believe they have been selling bikes w/ Hong Fu frames for some time. And I THINK Hong Fu has strong relation to IPlay. This was a big part of why I went w/ Iplay. I know, lots of assumptions...
    Hmm. Your post makes me reconsider the Flyxii FR-503. I'm a little doubtful about it's quality compared to it's rival, the FM-136/IP-136. I see that the FR-503 goes for as little as $285 on eBay, which is insanely cheap. The FM/IP-136 is around $400 i think.

    Anyone?

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    The FM-136 is a newer frame and is lighter. When I bought my FR-503 I was under the impression they were made by the same factory. At that point the 136 wasn't available in a big enough size for me so rather than waiting and spending more I got the 503 with 430g fork and headset for $420 shipped.
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    Has anyone dealt with Dashine Bike one bay?
    they are offing a Carbon full suspension 650b frame (DSK 088) that looks very similar to the new Stump Jumper. I emailed to ask about travel and wheelbase but the response came form someone who did not have a good command of the English language.

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    My Finished FM156.

    I have logged in about 200 trail miles, and loving it.
    Parts list.

    -Rockshox Revelation dual air. 120-150.
    -Rockshox Ario shock. 165mm
    -Sram X5, 10 speed drivetrain.
    -Easton Carbon flat bars.
    -Raceface Evovle seatpost.
    -Raceface Evovle stem, 90mm.
    -MRP, BB mount chain guide.
    -BBG bash guard, drilled 32T.
    -Face Off pedals.
    -Crankbrothers Cobalt 2 Wheelset.
    -Crankbrothers Cobalt grips.
    -Nobby Nic's 27.5x2.35 F/R
    -Prologo Zero II saddle.
    -Avid Elixir 3 brakes.
    -XON rotors, 180mm.
    Yup, that about covers it. Weight 24.8 pounds. Could be better, will work on it.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedmtb View Post
    I have logged in about 200 trail miles, and loving it.
    Parts list.

    -Rockshox Revelation dual air. 120-150.
    -Rockshox Ario shock. 165mm
    -Sram X5, 10 speed drivetrain.
    -Easton Carbon flat bars.
    -Raceface Evovle seatpost.
    -Raceface Evovle stem, 90mm.
    -MRP, BB mount chain guide.
    -BBG bash guard, drilled 32T.
    -Face Off pedals.
    -Crankbrothers Cobalt 2 Wheelset.
    -Crankbrothers Cobalt grips.
    -Nobby Nic's 27.5x2.35 F/R
    -Prologo Zero II saddle.
    -Avid Elixir 3 brakes.
    -XON rotors, 180mm.
    Yup, that about covers it. Weight 24.8 pounds. Could be better, will work on it.lol

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    looks awesome.
    http://www.my650b.com/ 650B Tires and Rims

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    I really like that FM156. I bought a IP-106 carbon 29er hardtail from Peter but I think Im going to sell it and go with the 27.5 full susser. I still dont love the 29" wheels I think some middle ground would be a good thing for what I like to do on the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    The FM-136 is a newer frame and is lighter. When I bought my FR-503 I was under the impression they were made by the same factory. At that point the 136 wasn't available in a big enough size for me so rather than waiting and spending more I got the 503 with 430g fork and headset for $420 shipped.
    Lelandjt, thanks for your input. Still not sure which one I'll pull the trigger on yet, but I'm leaning towards th FM/IP-136. Might be the FR-503 tomorrow, who knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedmtb View Post
    I have logged in about 200 trail miles, and loving it.
    Parts list.

    -Rockshox Revelation dual air. 120-150.
    -Rockshox Ario shock. 165mm
    -Sram X5, 10 speed drivetrain.
    -Easton Carbon flat bars.
    -Raceface Evovle seatpost.
    -Raceface Evovle stem, 90mm.
    -MRP, BB mount chain guide.
    -BBG bash guard, drilled 32T.
    -Face Off pedals.
    -Crankbrothers Cobalt 2 Wheelset.
    -Crankbrothers Cobalt grips.
    -Nobby Nic's 27.5x2.35 F/R
    -Prologo Zero II saddle.
    -Avid Elixir 3 brakes.
    -XON rotors, 180mm.
    Yup, that about covers it. Weight 24.8 pounds. Could be better, will work on it.lol

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    Nice.
    What shock tune? Did you experiment w/ the fork travel? Did you have to adjust/lube the pivots at all?

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    Thank you all for the compliments Shock is set at about 5 percent sag. I like a stiffer setting at the rear. Fork took a while to dial in at 120mm. I ran a R.S. Revelation on my old F/S 26er and loved it. Have not needed to go the full 150mm as of yet. First thing I did when I received the frame was take it completely apart. I then cleaned frame and all pivots. I re lubed all bearings and put it back together. I threw on the 12x142mm drop outs and began the build. Most parts I had lying around from previous bikes and builds. Only issue I ran into was the rear caliper spacing from top swing arm. I had a set of 180mm rotors I was determined to make use of. I had to take the caliper apart and shave off about 4mm from the caliper bolts for clearing. Other than this, build went smoothly.Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-easton-bars-cobalt-grips-elixir-brakes-revelation-fork..jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-sram-x5-drivetrain-mrp-bbg-guard.-xpedo-pedals..jpgChinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-14469454501_466bcbf88e_z.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedmtb View Post
    Thank you all for the compliments Shock is set at about 5 percent sag. I like a stiffer setting at the rear. Fork took a while to dial in at 120mm. I ran a R.S. Revelation on my old F/S 26er and loved it. Have not needed to go the full 150mm as of yet. First thing I did when I received the frame was take it completely apart. I then cleaned frame and all pivots. I re lubed all bearings and put it back together. I threw on the 12x142mm drop outs and began the build. Most parts I had lying around from previous bikes and builds. Only issue I ran into was the rear caliper spacing from top swing arm. I had a set of 180mm rotors I was determined to make use of. I had to take the caliper apart and shave off about 4mm from the caliper bolts for clearing. Other than this, build went smoothly.Click image for larger version. 

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    Nice Pedals....I run those on one of my bikes. How do you like em?
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    I love these pedals. I first ran them on my Fisher Rumblefish, they slowly made there way to my other bikes. I have some on order now to go on my Carbon 29er.

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    I am considering a FM/IP156 build myself but concerned with the linkage and pivots. Does anyone have details on the construction of these? Bearings? Bushings? Does anyone have significant time on one of these frames who can comment on the longer term durability of the pivots?

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    Maybe I'm missing them but are there any of these frames with slightly more AM oriented specs. Something with HTA more around 69ish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post
    I am considering a FM/IP156 build myself but concerned with the linkage and pivots. Does anyone have details on the construction of these? Bearings? Bushings? Does anyone have significant time on one of these frames who can comment on the longer term durability of the pivots?
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    FYI: Flyxii just got a new website. Better looking than the old one but still slow as hell. Noticed that they no longer have the FR-503 under 650b frames, but instead a FR-501. The new photos show the internal cable routing but otherwise they do look identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJaYx2P View Post
    New build
    very nice frame!!! What model is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan3 View Post
    Maybe I'm missing them but are there any of these frames with slightly more AM oriented specs. Something with HTA more around 69ish?
    I believe the IP-156 HTA is 68?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay View Post
    Lotsa good info here, thanks. Can anybody tell me if the Velocarbon frame on ebay is the same as one of these frames?

    650B Hard Tails Carbon Frame 27 5ER Mountain Bike Carbon Frame x 12mm Axle Thru | eBay
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    Thanks!
    I bought that frame a few weeks ago. I finished building it up:



    For anyone looking at this frame, some info and thoughts:

    -bought from Velocarbon Ebay. It shipped the next day, I had it in less than a week; of course, lucky for me they had it in stock
    -build went great. The brake bosses needed a tap run through to clean up the threads, but that's it.
    -found another Chinese company selling a painted version with the full drawing. One thing I missed though: 37.0 OD Seat tube. Oops. Not easy to find a clamp. I have a 36.9 KCNC on there now and it fits well.
    -I have a 130mm fork on the bike. It's spec'd for a 100mm, supposedly. I'm getting roughly 68.5 HT/71.5 ST, 12 5/8" BB height static, so 69.5/72.5 with me aboard the bike. Head tube angle feels great, and the seat tube angle works as well with a straight seat post. I actually need to slide the saddle back a bit from how it is in the photo. The bike has quite a bit of drop, 45mm, so BB height is better for me w/the 130mm fork.
    -I have the worlds larges Hans Dampf 2.35 in the back (measures about 61mm casing, 64 at the widest point on a 27mm rim? Not sure what's up with the 2.5HD, but I have tons of clearance w/the seat stay, about 4-5mm in the chain stays.
    -156mm Q-factor cranks, plenty of clearance.
    -Internal brake and shift cable routing (derailleur does NOT run full housing, it has an internal guide)

    That's all I can think of as far as the build is concerned.

    As far a riding impressions, I realize that context is important, so here's my story: I haven't seriously ridden a mountain bike for about 15-17 years. I turned to road racing and rode my MTB less and less over the years. My last bike was an I-Fab with a Mag 21 SL. 46mm a suspension madness... It's taking me a while to learn how to ride a modern bike! So, of course the bike feels incredible. That said, I've ridden a few other bikes recently, and I absolutely love this bike. The handling on technical climbs is great, with no wandering, weight distribution is perfect w/the straight seat post and the BB height is right where I want it. Bottom line, I would not want to use a 100mm fork on this bike--it would be too steep. a 120mm fork may be better, but the 130mm is what I scored on Ebay for cheap, and it works perfectly for me on this frame.

    Of course, it may rip off the head tube, but I'm a roadie riding off road, so I won't be taking it off any huge drops, and I prefer my tires planted to terra firma. That said, one of the main reasons I opted for this frame is that it seems to be a bit heavier than some of the other 27.5 carbon hard tails. I figured that more material in a Chinese carbon bike is probably a good thing. If I do break it, I'm not going to shed huge tears, I'll just buy a steel frame. I wanted to get a Soma B-side, but I couldn't find a 17" available. As it turns out, I'm thrilled with the bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post
    I am considering a FM/IP156 build myself but concerned with the linkage and pivots. Does anyone have details on the construction of these? Bearings? Bushings? Does anyone have significant time on one of these frames who can comment on the longer term durability of the pivots?
    I just received my IP-156 yesterday and I am painting the frame so I took it all apart and snapped a few pictures. On my frame the bearings are all rubber sealed bearings and the attachment points in the frame appear to be aluminum or some alloy. I can't speak to durability, but I thought I'd add what I could with pictures to the discussion. Looking forward to getting this painted and built up so I can go ride it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Watts View Post
    I bought that frame a few weeks ago. I finished building it up:



    For anyone looking at this frame, some info and thoughts:

    -bought from Velocarbon Ebay. It shipped the next day, I had it in less than a week; of course, lucky for me they had it in stock
    !
    Thanks for the info. Mine came really fast also. Haven't built it yet tho. I wanted the 142 x 12 rear that it comes with, I was surprised they provided the QR drop-outs as well!
    They have a $13 headset, I ordered it a week later after not being sure what to use. I would recommend getting that at the time you order the frame. Easy enuff to upgrade that later if needed. Its a simple drop-in integrated HS.

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    Thanks for the photos - looks good to me. Looks no different from my Mojo linkage, bearings, and hardware.

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    I haven't seen this one mentioned anywhere, it's on Aliexpress from Sunshine Carbon Bicycle store $636 US incl shock by the looks of the pic. Long TT on the 21" version, internal cable routing, 142 x 12 rear but the odd thing is 27.2 seatpost, haven't seen one that small for a while. Yes it goes with out saying that at that price I am sure the shock is, well, shocking.

    I would be interested to hear from anyone that has taken a gamble on this one.

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    Hey everyone, still new to this forum (only my second post) but I wanted to get in on this thread because the builds some of you have done with these carbon frames look AMAZING and to hear just about everyone say they ride as good as they look is great news. I've always been a sucker for an all black bike and I'm close to pulling the trigger on one of these frames.

    Anyway, over the past few days I've read every page of this thread and saw the question I want to ask posted once but didn't see a reply that addressed it. Forgive me if I missed it, or maybe nobody knows the answer, but here goes....

    What is the difference (if any) between the carbon frames being discussed and shown in this thread and the Wiel carbon frames that are all over eBay? Here's an example of what I'm referring to:

    Wiel 650B Carbon MTB Bike Frame Full Carbon Fibre Frame Matte 19" 2014B128 | eBay

    They look very similar but I have not compared geometry yet. I'm wondering if the only difference is that these have been branded? Wiel has an actual website showing all their bikes but it doesn't appear you can purchase from the site. The price point is pretty much the same as the Hong-fu and Alibaba frames. One other thing I noticed is that Wiel has what looks to be a new Ebay seller account, wielcycling, with a 100% feedback on 57 transactions to date. And these frames are shipping out of Carlsbad, CA rather than China.

    So after that long-winded rant, anyone have any info on the Wiel frames?

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    Head tube angle of 71* seems steep. Looks nice tho. They may be shipped rom china:
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    Yeah, sorry scottay, that one I provided a link to is one that ships from China, but that seller, wielcycling, has a few that say they ship out of Carlsbad. They must have a warehouse there or something. The funny thing is the ones that ship out of CA are auction style listings, all the ones from China are "Buy it Now" listings. Here's one of the CA listings.....currently at $255 but I've been watching a few of these and they always seem to end up right around $425.

    Wiel 650B Carbon MTB Bike Frame Full Carbon Fibre Frame Matte 19" 2014B128 | eBay

    I'm currently riding a Tomah from SIXFIFTY. I bought it on the cheap to build up and see how I liked the 27.5 wheel size and so far I'm loving it. The Tomah has a HT angle of 70 so very close. I honestly don't mind either the plain black Hong-fu/Alibaba frames or the Wiel frame with the decals and paint. I was just curious what, if anything, made them different from each other.

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    Just as a follow-up to my previous posts, I was quoted a price of $400 plus $80 shipping for an IP-136 frame, with a lead time of 15-20 days after cleared payment. What's the difference between the IP-136 and the FR-503 that I can get for about $360 shipped from 2 or 3 different eBay sellers. Is the IP-136 superior to the FR-503 in some way, anyone know?

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    What about this seller on eBay with the combination auction of frame, fork, seat post? Anyone bought any of these? If so, any feedback about it's quality?

    Bike Frame, Wheelset items in 650b store on eBay!

    Thanks,

    Miggy

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    FM 136 20" Paid today

    Hi all
    New to the thread and mostly got over the line of purchasing the Hongfu due to the good feedback of some and ignoring negative feedback from a few.
    Any way ordered the Hardtail FM136 UD Matte today for $410 plus a $15 Headset (See what it's like before changing if needed) and $70 P&P.
    Will be a first bike build and not looking at too much jaw dropping stuff, I like XT as a work horse Group and some nice rims to approx $400.
    The rest will be shopping around ebay and online stores to get good gear for a fair price.

    I'm 6'1 with a 32 inside leg and read enough and checked against my GFisher paragon which is a 19" frame so hopefully going 20" was the right choice.
    Will keep you posted
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedmtb View Post
    I love these pedals. I first ran them on my Fisher Rumblefish, they slowly made there way to my other bikes. I have some on order now to go on my Carbon 29er.
    I was able to ruin both pedals in one day with rock strikes. Where the edges of the pedal are they are only threaded into rubber. As soon as you catch a rock it will bend the magnesium badly resulting in a nice paperweight. I guess you dont get a lot of rock strikes? Just be cautious I liked the pedals but possibly the worst constructed i have ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rode_Islander View Post
    Just as a follow-up to my previous posts, I was quoted a price of $400 plus $80 shipping for an IP-136 frame, with a lead time of 15-20 days after cleared payment. What's the difference between the IP-136 and the FR-503 that I can get for about $360 shipped from 2 or 3 different eBay sellers. Is the IP-136 superior to the FR-503 in some way, anyone know?
    When I was shopping a year ago the IP-136 was like 150g lighter and I think had swappable dropouts. It wasn't available in XL at the time so I got the 503 with matching fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Watts View Post
    I bought that frame a few weeks ago. I finished building it up:


    -found another Chinese company selling a painted version with the full drawing. One thing I missed though: 37.0 OD Seat tube. Oops. Not easy to find a clamp. I have a 36.9 KCNC on there now and it fits well.
    just curious about this fact. I'm looking that this listing:
    650B Hard Tails Carbon Frame 27 5ER Mountain Bicycle Carbon Frame 19" Axle Thru | eBay

    and it says it's spec'd for a 31.6mm seatpost. was your experience a mis-representation or have they changed the frame from the one you purchased (as the link your post takes me to says the same 31.6mm).
    Thanks

    or perhaps it's the fact you have it stated OD and i'm thinking ID. my bad
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    He's talking about the seat post clamp size. Not the post its self.
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    looks like my realization came at the same time as the obvious was pointed out.

    thanks scottay. i see you bought the same, did you have the same issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikingmat View Post
    looks like my realization came at the same time as the obvious was pointed out.

    thanks scottay. i see you bought the same, did you have the same issue?
    I'm betting that scottay's frame has the same size seat collar. I contacted the vendor to let them know. At first they said, "no, it's 34.9", so I sent them my actual measurement of my own frame. They contacted me a couple of hours later and told me that their frames did indeed measure 37.0.

    BTW, I don't really view this as a problem, per se--as long as you know up front. They're actually looking to their suppliers to have a cheap 37.0 clamp available for sale, but there are others out there (I now have a 36.9 KCNC QR I'm looking to sell if anyone needs it!). I was able to get a Salsa 36.4 on here without much trouble --just had to pry the clamp a tiny bit. The KCNC 36.9 slips right on.

    Honestly I think I like this better than the "stepped down" type clamp with less material in that area. The thicker the wall around there, the better, as far as I'm concerned. The only bummer is when you're ready to go ride your completed new bike, and you realize can't because you don't have a seat collar that fits!

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    So for those who have purchased and received these frames, how do they look? Are there visible imperfections in the finish, or noticeable differences in the shades of black throughout the frame? Or all they all smooth and consistent in color?

    And for those who went the eBay route, which seller is the best (a_baygoods, etatime, zgr9) or are they all pretty much the same? I'm getting ready to buy and I'm watching frames from all 3 sellers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rode_Islander View Post
    So for those who have purchased and received these frames, how do they look? Are there visible imperfections in the finish, or noticeable differences in the shades of black throughout the frame? Or all they all smooth and consistent in color?

    And for those who went the eBay route, which seller is the best (a_baygoods, etatime, zgr9) or are they all pretty much the same? I'm getting ready to buy and I'm watching frames from all 3 sellers....
    I think they're all pretty similar--bad feedback tends to show up when they sell items that are waiting for production, so I'd just look through their feedback on the bay. My own experience w/ "velocarbon" was good, but in my case the frame was in stock (may have been the one in their photos), and it shipped immediately. It also sailed through customs, which isn't always the case.

    As far as the finish, mine is OK. You can see some seams at certain angles, and you can see where they reinforced the holes for the internal routing. Then again, I see some seams on my big brand UD-finish road frame, so it's not that objectionable. It's funny, as I was looking at it out of the box, my initial impressions were "this is pretty good for a $300 frame" and "this certainly isn't a Giant XTC in terms of finish". If you're expectations are low for aesthetics, you'll probably be pleasantly surprised. If this is an important consideration, then a Chinese-direct frame may not be your best route.

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    Thanks for the info, that's pretty much what I thought based on the pics these sellers are using, some of them look perfect and others have visible seams and blemishes. I guess you take a chance, appearance is not crucial as long as it looks "pretty good".

    Can you explain the Custom's thing a little bit? I've never dealt w/ anything like that, wouldn't even know how or where to go about paying the Custom's fees if there were any. Just out of curiosity did you have to pay these fees and how much was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rode_Islander View Post
    Can you explain the Custom's thing a little bit? I've never dealt w/ anything like that, wouldn't even know how or where to go about paying the Custom's fees if there were any. Just out of curiosity did you have to pay these fees and how much was it?
    Most sellers mark the box as "gift" or "sample", and customs fees are rarely added. However, there's always the potential (I do get actual samples from China frequently, and it's never been an issue). What *can* happen though is that the box will sit in customs for a week before they decide to send it to me, so it can delay shipping. Again, this is pretty rare. Lots of goods come direct from CN, and they probably stop .5% of them.

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    I'm getting antsy to ride this thing, but while I wait for a few parts to come back I thought I'd post a pic of my progress. Hopefully I'll have it all together and ready for a ride next weekend.
    Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition-2014-08-10-14.16.24.jpg

    IP-156 Medium Frame and carbon bar from XMI Play
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    2013 X-Fusion Velvet RL front shock
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    Waiting for my headset, rear shock reducers, seat post clamp, and my wheels (XMI 35mm hookless carbon with Stans 3.30 hubs) to come back from my wheel builder.

    Getting excited, need to get my parts in and put this thing together so I can ride it!

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    So I took the plunge and ordered an FR-503 from eBay seller "flyxiibike". I figured it was pretty safe with a feedback score of 100% on over 11,000 transactions. I looked at some of the feedback from people that had bought frames from them and it was all positive, Based on earlier posts in this thread I was sure to put EXACTLY what I wanted in the notes when making payment - 19" matte finish w/ BSA bottom bracket - even though the item up for auction was exactly that.

    In the middle of the night I got up to hit the head and saw my phone had 3 eBay alerts, all from flyxiibike. The first was confirming what I wanted for frame options, but the second stated they were out of matte finish, and asked me if I wanted to wait 7 days or take a gloss finish frame. And the third - and this threw me for a loop - was a message stating my item had shipped!!!

    So I responded w/ a few messages stating I want matte and that I'm willing to wait the 7 days, but due to the time difference I must have missed them. So now I have no idea if my messages will reach them in time or if I'm just gonna end up with whatever they decided to send me!! I will keep everyone posted.

    BTW - if I do end up w/ a glossy frame can I take some fine steel wool and rub the shine off? I'm kidding....sorta

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rode_Islander View Post
    So I took the plunge and ordered an FR-503 from eBay seller "flyxiibike". I figured it was pretty safe with a feedback score of 100% on over 11,000 transactions. I looked at some of the feedback from people that had bought frames from them and it was all positive, Based on earlier posts in this thread I was sure to put EXACTLY what I wanted in the notes when making payment - 19" matte finish w/ BSA bottom bracket - even though the item up for auction was exactly that.

    In the middle of the night I got up to hit the head and saw my phone had 3 eBay alerts, all from flyxiibike. The first was confirming what I wanted for frame options, but the second stated they were out of matte finish, and asked me if I wanted to wait 7 days or take a gloss finish frame. And the third - and this threw me for a loop - was a message stating my item had shipped!!!

    So I responded w/ a few messages stating I want matte and that I'm willing to wait the 7 days, but due to the time difference I must have missed them. So now I have no idea if my messages will reach them in time or if I'm just gonna end up with whatever they decided to send me!! I will keep everyone posted.

    BTW - if I do end up w/ a glossy frame can I take some fine steel wool and rub the shine off? I'm kidding....sorta
    They've probably just printed the shipping label but haven't shipped it. They're pretty good about confirming exactly what you want prior to shipping. I've ordered dozens of frames from these sellers, never once had a misshipment that wasn't my fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    They've probably just printed the shipping label but haven't shipped it. They're pretty good about confirming exactly what you want prior to shipping. I've ordered dozens of frames from these sellers, never once had a misshipment that wasn't my fault.
    Well that is good to hear, thanks for that info mattsavage. I did find it a bit hard to believe they would just take it upon themselves to send me whatever they wanted, then I thought maybe they located one, who knows. I'm guessing I'll get a reply from them tonight around midnight. Thanks again.....

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    Is there any long travel oem carbon frame like on one 456 EVO ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikebend View Post
    I recently purchased a frame and fork through Hongfu bikes, model FM-196. Had an amazing customer service experience, including a totally custom paint job for about $125. They had the paint job color matched to photos I had sent them within a day and then drawn up on the computer by the next. Pretty amazing. Frame weighed almost exactly what they advertised, 955g. Build quality looks like any major brand, while the price was over half of what I would've spent for something similar, without the custom paint job. After a few rides on it, I couldn't be happier. Tracks amazing, solid descender, excellent uphill traction and zero flex. And I loooove the 27.5" wheel size, especially for a short guy like me. And for you weight weenies out there, the total build weighs 17.1 lbs.




    Hi mtnbikebend!

    I can see by the pictures that you have a BB92 bottom bracket shell. Do you have any issues of creaking or flex with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay View Post
    Thanks for the info. Mine came really fast also. Haven't built it yet tho. I wanted the 142 x 12 rear that it comes with, I was surprised they provided the QR drop-outs as well!
    They have a $13 headset, I ordered it a week later after not being sure what to use. I would recommend getting that at the time you order the frame. Easy enuff to upgrade that later if needed. Its a simple drop-in integrated HS.
    Scottay & JackWatts: quick couple of questions about this frame, b/c I'm about to pull the trigger.

    Did the 12x142 come with an axle/skewer? If not, what are you guys running? Not clear if the dropouts are threaded (like for a Maxle or DT RWS) or not (like for Shimano), or whether the fact that the frame is described as X12 means it has to use a Syntace-compatible axle. (Grr... "standards" that aren't really standards....)

    How's the internal routing installation? Did the frame come with the pull-through leads in place? Those seem to make a big difference, otherwise could be a major PITA.

    For Jack: Do you happen to know the axle-crown measurement on your 130mm fork that gave you the geometry you'd listed?

    Thanks guys: any info is much appreciated!
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    No axle, I bought an X12 but discovered the dropouts are NOT threaded. So i just ordered the "nut" portion. I have an email out to the factory about this....
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    Thanks! By "nut portion," do you mean this?

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    yes, but you want the CON centric version. Amazon for $8

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    Awesome: thanks!
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    Hey guys, I've been browsing this thread for a while now and haven't seen an answer yet. Do any of these frames have 5-6" of travel? More trail oriented than xc. Thanks!

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    I used Loctite retaining compound, the heaviest removable type, when installing the bb cups and haven't had any problems with creaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay View Post
    yes, but you want the CON centric version. Amazon for $8
    Hi Just wanted a clarification on this I've not had the 12x142 version before.

    I ordered the FM136 frame which arrived last week.
    It has 2 slots rather than any holes for the axle is this correct?
    I have seen this link of an updated version

    New Design!!! Carbon 29er Frame through Axle 142*12mm,carbon 29er mountain bicycle frame, View 29er mountain bicycle frame, OEM Product Details from Shenzhen Hongfu Sports Goods Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

    I have got the correct wheels a set of Fulcrum Red Power XL and would like to move forward without sending the frame back if the outcome achieves the same results of a strong and serviceable rear end (no pun!)

    Also saw this link which was informative for an intro to the 12x142 protocol
    12 mm x 142 mm Axle Standard Explained - Pinkbike

    Other than that looking forward to the build what I've got so far:
    Frame FM136 20'
    Handle Bar Hongfu HB001
    Full XT Group Inc Brakes
    BB Local Bike shop are fitting this week I'm building the rest.
    Rockshox Reba 100mm Forks
    Fulcrum 650B Red Power XL 15mm front and 12x142 Rear
    Tioga Spyder (See how this goes looks uncomfortable so might change but picked up for $15 so handy spare)
    Answer Rove 80mm Stem
    Nobby Nic Tyres
    Pedals egg beaters and dmr magnesium platforms 434g for when I'm over falling off from being clipped in

    Still need:
    Seat post
    Seat clamp
    skewers f&r
    Maybe better headset depending on what LBS advises

    If any one has good links for these would be much appreciated also

    So far all in $2.4k Aussie Dollars
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    Have no idea what your question is. If you have "slots" you have the std 135 QR rear dropouts. You could possibly run a 135 x 10 thru axle, depends on the hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post

    Did the 12x142 come with an axle/skewer? If not, what are you guys running? Not clear if the dropouts are threaded (like for a Maxle or DT RWS) or not (like for Shimano), or whether the fact that the frame is described as X12 means it has to use a Syntace-compatible axle. (Grr... "standards" that aren't really standards....)
    They answered back with a pic that looks like the Shimano E Thru axle. SM-AX65 or ax55 or ax75 , depends on your price level/ weight conscientiousness. This axle comes with a nut. The Syntace chamfered head doesn't work with the provided dropouts, but I will see if that can be modified. I haven't received the nut end of the X12 axle yet. It would seem the X12 in the frame description is pointless/misleading. Hope this helps!

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    Hi Scottay
    The Hubs are 135/142 x 12mm Rear Fulcrum Hubs
    Fulcrum Red Power XL MTB Wheelset 2014 | Chain Reaction Cycles

    It looks like I have the option of 135x10 as is or 142x12 modified

    Just the question is whether it is advisable to fit the wheels with a 135x10 mm through axle to the slots as is.
    Or
    is it better with a 12mm through axle through two holes which currently aren't present in which case do I need modified drop out fittings or different frame.

    Just wanted to make sure I don't get ahead of myself
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    Contact Hong-Fu and ask them for pics of what the 142 x 12 dropouts look like (maybe somehere that has them will be kind enough to post a pic for you). If it is different to what you have order the correct dropouts from Hong Fu for the rear end you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrain78 View Post
    Hi Just wanted a clarification on this I've not had the 12x142 version before.

    I ordered the FM136 frame which arrived last week.
    It has 2 slots rather than any holes for the axle is this correct?
    I have seen this link of an updated version

    New Design!!! Carbon 29er Frame through Axle 142*12mm,carbon 29er mountain bicycle frame, View 29er mountain bicycle frame, OEM Product Details from Shenzhen Hongfu Sports Goods Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

    I have got the correct wheels a set of Fulcrum Red Power XL and would like to move forward without sending the frame back if the outcome achieves the same results of a strong and serviceable rear end (no pun!)

    Also saw this link which was informative for an intro to the 12x142 protocol
    12 mm x 142 mm Axle Standard Explained - Pinkbike

    Other than that looking forward to the build what I've got so far:
    Frame FM136 20'
    Handle Bar Hongfu HB001
    Full XT Group Inc Brakes
    BB Local Bike shop are fitting this week I'm building the rest.
    Rockshox Reba 100mm Forks
    Fulcrum 650B Red Power XL 15mm front and 12x142 Rear
    Tioga Spyder (See how this goes looks uncomfortable so might change but picked up for $15 so handy spare)
    Answer Rove 80mm Stem
    Nobby Nic Tyres
    Pedals egg beaters and dmr magnesium platforms 434g for when I'm over falling off from being clipped in

    Still need:
    Seat post
    Seat clamp
    skewers f&r
    Maybe better headset depending on what LBS advises

    If any one has good links for these would be much appreciated also

    So far all in $2.4k Aussie Dollars
    G
    I've got the Tioga spyder on my road bike. First couple rides are uncomfortable but you get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogrider View Post
    Hey guys, I've been browsing this thread for a while now and haven't seen an answer yet. Do any of these frames have 5-6" of travel? More trail oriented than xc. Thanks!
    Hongfu's facebook feed just posted something about an "all mountain" frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natron5000 View Post
    Hongfu's facebook feed just posted something about an "all mountain" frame.
    Thanks. Now if only they'll announce the release date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottay View Post
    Yes it is. Where'd you find that? I didn't see it on their website.

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    After much luck with my LB/CC carbon wheels, I'm considering a carbon frame.

    All of these seem to be single pivot designs. Are there any Chinese frames that mimic 4 bar/DW/VPP etc?

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    "Brake surface F-Shock 165mm"

    If that is referring to the fork then that's getting more than what I was looking for.

    Wonder if we'll ever see something i the 140mm range?

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    You will very soon that's not the actual Fm336 frame or correct travel

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    Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition

    What is the final verdict of what the fm136 frame really gets for rear travel?


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    The FM 136 is a hardtail. If you're meaning to ask about the FM 156, it has about 110mm of rear travel.

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    Looks like Hong fu released a new 27.5 today. My much detail... And not sure if I am allowed to link to their Facebook page.

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    I'm sorry,because I'm losing on this website for many days,so I can't reply you on time,it's my fault.

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    I'm sorry,because I'm losing on this website for many days,so I can't reply you on time,it's my fault. so are you interested in this frame?

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    yeah,there have.
    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    "Brake surface F-Shock 165mm"

    If that is referring to the fork then that's getting more than what I was looking for.

    Wonder if we'll ever see something i the 140mm range?

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    I'm sorry,because I'm losing on this website for many days,so I can't reply you on time,it's my fault.if you are interested in this frame,I would ask our salesman to contact you

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    I'm sorry,because I'm losing on this website for many days,so I can't reply you on time,it's my fault. if you want to know more,welcome to browse https://www.facebook.com/giantnewbicycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Scottay & JackWatts: quick couple of questions about this frame, b/c I'm about to pull the trigger.


    How's the internal routing installation? Did the frame come with the pull-through leads in place? Those seem to make a big difference, otherwise could be a major PITA.

    For Jack: Do you happen to know the axle-crown measurement on your 130mm fork that gave you the geometry you'd listed?

    Thanks guys: any info is much appreciated!
    -internal routing was super simple. Unlike Cervelo, the $300 no-name carbon frame maker has it figured out... There are cable stops for the rear derailleur, and housing liners inside. I'm not sure on the FD, since I'm not running one. Brake housing is lined as well.

    -geometry measurements given earlier for the 130mm fork are with roughly 522mm axle to crown unweighted and with~22mm of sag.

    The bike feels perfect with the 130mm fork. I more I ride it, the more I like it. No way after riding it would I go down to less travel. The head angle feels just right--stable on descents, no wandering at all on really steep technical climbs, and very maneuverable.

    As far as the seat angle, keep in mind that 10mm of setback=about 1 degree. With a straight Thompson post I'm around 5cm nose behind the BB (exactly where I want it) with the seat in the middle of the rails. I could get it~2.5cm pushed all the way forward (seat height is 72cm crank bolt to top of saddle). So, with a 100mm fork I'd have to use a setback post.

    Overall, I'm absolutely loving this frame.

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    Smile you can see

    no no no,there have.
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    Model GN-FM336
    size:15.5"/17.5"/19"/20.5"
    material:100% Toray Carbon T700
    Headset-down:1-1/2"
    Headset-top:1-1/8"
    weave:UD
    Finish:Clear coating/paint finish/matt
    F-shock:165mm
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    BB:BSA or BB30 or PF30 or BB92
    SeatPost: Φ31.6mm
    Weight:1900±45g

    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post
    You will very soon that's not the actual Fm336 frame or correct travel

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    What is the rear travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGG View Post
    What is the rear travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amylimay View Post
    in my company
    hahaha. You might want to wait until one of the other companies that have people who speak better English (like XMI Play) have this frame and the details on it.

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    don't feed the trolls boys, they will keep coming back for more.

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    No no no, you misunderstood, I was responsible for the promotion of the company, is not responsible for sales.


    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleFrisbee View Post
    hahaha. You might want to wait until one of the other companies that have people who speak better English (like XMI Play) have this frame and the details on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Wonder if we'll ever see something i the 140mm range?
    Quote Originally Posted by petepeterson View Post
    You will very soon that's not the actual Fm336 frame or correct travel
    Nope, the Hong-Fu Fm336 is going to be 150mm, ideally I am looking for 130 - 140mm travel frame.

    Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Nope, the Hong-Fu Fm336 is going to be 150mm, ideally I am looking for 130 - 140mm travel frame.

    Oh well.
    Are you sure its 150mm?

    By the way it basically looks like a knock-off of the Pivot Mach 6 with a different upper link.

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