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    Advise for hardtail bike(xl), budget 2.5k$

    Hi all,
    new to forum posted in begginer forum , but still need more advises.

    I am 6.3ft and 210lbs , ex.basketball player , curently in solid physical condition (workin out 3x /week and playing basketball 2x / week ). I need XL or L frame thats for sure .

    I need bike for uphills (1-2miles aprox), riding trough forest (2miles), down trough terrain in forest(1.5mile aprox), and arround 2x , plan to ride 3-4x / week.
    everyone advised hardtail model for my request . It can be rough in some places so i need stable bike consider my constitution , i am more on secure side than going extreme.

    Here is few picks , after ive got some advises here(they said to focus on 100/120/140mm forks) :

    -specialized steamjumper expert 29r(got ohlins 140mm rxf fork) 2016 year

    -giant anthem advanced pro(fox 32 elite pro 100mm fork , gx eagle setup and sram breakes )

    -specialized custom carbon fuse s-works 2018, above mu budget but ill rather add 500$ more and grab killer bike than to pass . 120mm fox factory 34 kashima, Sram XO derailleur shifter and cassette, etc . killer bike , frame size L

    - giant trance advance 1 2017 , also 500$ above my budget but oke. Fox 34 Float Factory, Kashima, 150mm Travel, FIT4 Damper, Boost 15x110 KaBolt,shimano diore xt breaks and shifters and so on .

    -whyte t-130c, 2016 model size L , Fork RockShox Pike RC, 27.5”, 130mm Travel, Fast Black coating, tapered
    steerer and Boost 110mm X 15mm Maxle, with sram x0/x1 setup

    lmk thoughts or recomend what u think will fit me





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    This and upgrade the fork and possibly rear hub. https://www.jensonusa.com/Breezer-Li...le-Jenson-Bike XT brakes, gx eagle, nice hub, pike or fox factory out the door for $2500. If your a size large the deals they have on chromag bikes are really good right now too. They are burlier bikes than the breezer. If your a small or medium get this and upgrade the fork. https://us.ritcheylogic.com/us_en/wcs-timberwolf-bike. The breezer is more like a xc bike. These others are all out trail bikes built to be stable in the rough.

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    I would think a trek stache 7 would be a solid choice given your needs and budget

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    Quote Originally Posted by party_wagon View Post
    This and upgrade the fork and possibly rear hub. https://www.jensonusa.com/Breezer-Li...le-Jenson-Bike XT brakes, gx eagle, nice hub, pike or fox factory out the door for $2500. If your a size large the deals they have on chromag bikes are really good right now too. They are burlier bikes than the breezer. If your a small or medium get this and upgrade the fork. https://us.ritcheylogic.com/us_en/wcs-timberwolf-bike. The breezer is more like a xc bike. These others are all out trail bikes built to be stable in the rough.


    this one is on big discount attm, its 1.600$ which fit amazing in my budget , leave me options for further upgrades if needed . so ill do my best to get it while its on discount .



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    Quote Originally Posted by kurgan999 View Post
    this one is on big discount attm, its 1.600$ which fit amazing in my budget , leave me options for further upgrades if needed . so ill do my best to get it while its on discount .



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    Yeah, that is a killer bike at that price. Rims, brakes, and drivetrain are worth nearly that amount. The frame should have good geometry for light trail riding and it should take a beating. Breezer is a well known company that has been around a while.

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    Here is that Chromag! I wish I had $2400 to spare

    https://www.jensonusa.com/Chromag-Wi...on-Spec-A-Bike
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    Advise for hardtail bike(xl), budget 2.5k$

    little update , bad news for me , i am located in europe, and i couldnt find shop in usa that ship overseas , i think there is some regulation issues or idk .

    i had to search bike either in classfields or in uk based stores / sellers .

    but, keep sendin suggestions and ill also post if i find something interesting, a lot of shops offer discounts and i should keep searchin .

    that orange is easy to find in uk so ill pay more attention to that one i like em a lot !



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    I would look for a steel hardtail with a 120 to 140mm fork. $2500 is a good budget for one. Steel just holds up better to riding a lot.

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    go with Orange, theyre made in the UK. theyre tough bikes too

    https://www.orangebikes.co.uk

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    He said hardtail in the title, but he listed full suspension bikes mostly. xD

    All replies suggest actual hardtails. I wonder what he really wants...

    Uhh, I dunno about 27.5, but this one fits 27.5+ and 29er wheels and is the most spacious one I could find: https://polebicycles.com/taival/ (go L or XL frameset and custom spec it).

    Not a bad price for a cutting edge boutique brand (565 Euro exc VAT).

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    I'd be after one if the seat tubes weren't so long in the smaller sizes. In fact, I want to know where Pole makes these so I can order a sample for myself with custom geo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    He said hardtail in the title, but he listed full suspension bikes mostly. xD

    All replies suggest actual hardtails. I wonder what he really wants...

    Uhh, I dunno about 27.5, but this one fits 27.5+ and 29er wheels and is the most spacious one I could find: https://polebicycles.com/taival/ (go L or XL frameset and custom spec it).

    Not a bad price for a cutting edge boutique brand (565 Euro exc VAT).

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    I'd be after one if the seat tubes weren't so long in the smaller sizes. In fact, I want to know where Pole makes these so I can order a sample for myself with custom geo.
    i posted those cose i didnt know difference between hardtail and suspension bikes .

    after education from people here in forum i understood difference and i know what i am searching right now .

    searchin alloy frame with 110 up to 130mm fork

    so it helped me out to cut long list , so far bikes and deals i found are :

    orange crush
    specialized enduro
    giant anthem 29er 2
    niner ros 9
    saracen ariel elite
    kona honzo

    all under 2k$ so far which is good just looking other sites what they can offer attm .

    also do u think its better to wait one more month and winter , maybe more deals and people will sell more
    bikes in those times?



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    I have the Ritchey Timber Wolf that was mentioned above. I really love it. It handles and rides great. Gets a lot of attention too. Another bike to consider is this new bike from Ibis https://www.ibiscycles.com/bikes/dv9/
    I just ordered one for my son. He races in the NICA High League here in Sio Cal.

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    If the Ros 9 has a high end fork I would get that. That is a really sick bike for under 2k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by party_wagon View Post
    If the Ros 9 has a high end fork I would get that. That is a really sick bike for under 2k.
    I ended up ordering Ros 9 xl with following spec :

    Frame: ROS 9 alu (size: XL)
    Fork: Rockshox Pike 130 mm Boost
    Wheels: American Classic Terrain 110x15, 12x142 XD
    Front tire: WTB Vigilante Comp
    Rear tire: WTB Vigilante Comp
Tube: Topfun
    Front brake: SRAM Level LT
    Rear brake: SRAM Level LT
    Front disc: Formula C1 180 mm
    Rear disc: Formula C1 160 mm
    Bottom bracket: SRAM NX GXP 175 mm 30 teeth
    Bearings: SRAM GXP
    Chain: SRAM NX Eagle
    Cassette: SRAM 1275
    Rear derailleur: SRAM NX Eagle
    Shifters: SRAM NX Eagle
    Stem: TFHPC Comp 80 mm
    Handlebar: TFHPC aluminium
    Headset: Niner
    Grips: TFHPC Silicone (black)
    Seatpost: Rockshox Reverb 31.6 (stealth)
    
Saddle: WTB Volt Comp (white)

    was last in stock , brand new for 1.850$ .

    Consider i am beginer and consider my needs , i think its great deal and great bike , what u say ?





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    I wouldn't be surprised if lots of stuff on that will need replacing, just due to being inadequate.

    I'd start with replacing the brakes, before you use it, to get max selling value. I recommend the Shimano SM-MT501 from bike-discount.de, with SM-RT66 203 rotor front and 180 rear. Don't forget the adapters.

    Just seems to be made small and light, rather than generously sized and tough. You'll need that leftover budget for sure... I foresee endless tweaking on something that just wasn't a good fit in the first place, but you have the advantage of not knowing what's better, so you can be fooled into thinking it's just fine. I have a ROS9 too, but use it as a commuter--I'm a fraction of your size and weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if lots of stuff on that will need replacing, just due to being inadequate.

    I'd start with replacing the brakes, before you use it, to get max selling value. I recommend the Shimano SM-MT501 from bike-discount.de, with SM-RT66 203 rotor front and 180 rear. Don't forget the adapters.

    Just seems to be made small and light, rather than generously sized and tough. You'll need that leftover budget for sure... I foresee endless tweaking on something that just wasn't a good fit in the first place, but you have the advantage of not knowing what's better, so you can be fooled into thinking it's just fine. I have a ROS9 too, but use it as a commuter--I'm a fraction of your size and weight.
    consider fact i didnt have opportunity to have higher end bike (to me high end is 1.500€ plus bike) at first place i think i will be “fooled” with first impression that everything is right .

    later when i figure out i will test out and change .

    i will first try breakes and see how they perform cose u pointed out and breaks will be one of the most important parts for my usage , cose i am not pro biker
    and safty is at first place .

    ty for tips i have saved in basket break configuration u mentioned .




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    Looks like a killer deal to me. Burly wheels, 853steel frame, reverb dropper, and a pike. All for $1800. Perfect bike for trail riding. Read the reviews on the bike if you want a real opinion on it. There are a ton of similar bikes but they would cost much more.

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    If I were to recommend a bike with temporary-for-learning nature, I would've suggested a Vitus Sentier. 850ish for everything: tubeless, tapered steerer, wide range 1x, boost thru axles, decent fork, Maxxis plus tires, roomy geo. Make it an even 1k with BrandX dropper. Just not in stock.

    Since when is the ROS9 853? If it even were true, I'd question if that were even a selling point. Just marketing jargon to say stiffer and lighter. It's steel, sheesh, not gonna be light and can just use bigger diameter tube if you actually need stiffness (stiffer not necessarily better). ROS9 has old school compact geo, that looks about as short as you can go... reviews will be from several years ago. xD

    I bought it myself because I saw craftsmanship that rivaled custom handbuilders (touches like the chainstay yoke), and it was one of the first models with dialed geo for 29ers that I fit on. Later learned how it's definitely no where close to a do-it-all bike, nor lives up to its rep as an "AM hardtail". It's a big BMX bike. My FS bike did everything better than it, just is too valuable to lock up outside for errands; hence why it's my commuter (fun one at least).

    For what OP said he's doing, I imagine something with better out-of-saddle fit and forward geo would better take advantage of his jumping and running fitness. Turning cranks from a relaxed seated position will definitely not be fitness building for anything but spinning from such a position. Out-of-the-saddle riding, or riding a bike with a much steeper STA would more likely use and train the leg muscles you use for running and jumping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    If I were to recommend a bike with temporary-for-learning nature, I would've suggested a Vitus Sentier. 850ish for everything: tubeless, tapered steerer, wide range 1x, boost thru axles, decent fork, Maxxis plus tires, roomy geo. Make it an even 1k with BrandX dropper. Just not in stock.

    Since when is the ROS9 853? If it even were true, I'd question if that were even a selling point. Just marketing jargon to say stiffer and lighter. It's steel, sheesh, not gonna be light and can just use bigger diameter tube if you actually need stiffness (stiffer not necessarily better). ROS9 has old school compact geo, that looks about as short as you can go... reviews will be from several years ago. xD

    I bought it myself because I saw craftsmanship that rivaled custom handbuilders (touches like the chainstay yoke), and it was one of the first models with dialed geo for 29ers that I fit on. Later learned how it's definitely no where close to a do-it-all bike, nor lives up to its rep as an "AM hardtail". It's a big BMX bike. My FS bike did everything better than it, just is too valuable to lock up outside for errands; hence why it's my commuter (fun one at least).

    For what OP said he's doing, I imagine something with better out-of-saddle fit and forward geo would better take advantage of his jumping and running fitness. Turning cranks from a relaxed seated position will definitely not be fitness building for anything but spinning from such a position. Out-of-the-saddle riding, or riding a bike with a much steeper STA would more likely use and train the leg muscles you use for running and jumping.
    It's geometry is actually very close to a trek stache. Seat tube angle, reach, and head tube angle are all very similar. At 130mm I would put it more in the trail bike than am category.
    Full eagle groupset: $500.
    Reverb stealth: $400.
    Close Out Pike: $600.
    Close Out Wheels: $350.
    Yup, looks like a good deal to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by party_wagon View Post
    It's geometry is actually very close to a trek stache. Seat tube angle, reach, and head tube angle are all very similar. At 130mm I would put it more in the trail bike than am category.
    Full eagle groupset: $500.
    Reverb stealth: $400.
    Close Out Pike: $600.
    Close Out Wheels: $350.
    Yup, looks like a good deal to me.
    ty so much for input

    cant wait this beast to arrive

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    Quote Originally Posted by party_wagon View Post
    It's geometry is actually very close to a trek stache. Seat tube angle, reach, and head tube angle are all very similar. At 130mm I would put it more in the trail bike than am category.
    Full eagle groupset: $500.
    Reverb stealth: $400.
    Close Out Pike: $600.
    Close Out Wheels: $350.
    Yup, looks like a good deal to me.
    I'd argue how you overvalue, but I'll concede that the complexity of custom build is beyond a beginner. I was thinking more in line of what I'd get, after learning all I did, already having tools and maintenance know-how, and general resourcefulness in deal hunting. I'm confident I could build that Taival better for less, if you didn't count the cost of the tools and time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    I'd argue how you overvalue, but I'll concede that the complexity of custom build is beyond a beginner. I was thinking more in line of what I'd get, after learning all I did, already having tools and maintenance know-how, and general resourcefulness in deal hunting. I'm confident I could build that Taival better for less, if you didn't count the cost of the tools and time.
    Maybe find a reverb for less and pick a different set of wheels. It is still a screaming good deal on a well regarded trail bike. A similar specced chromag is running for $2500 on jenson. At the price point could always sell the frame and have close to $1200 left on the budget for a full suspension frame as well.

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    Beast arrived yesterday, cant wait to try it out






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    Looks like a fun ride, enjoy. Also make sure you have a good tire pressure Gauge. Tire pressure makes a huge difference on the ride quality with those big tires. Get your tires set up tubeless and at your weight i would start at about 14psi front 15 rear and experiment from there. As a frame of reference I weigh 175LBS and run 10 psi front 11 rear using line pro 40 rims which are 39mm internal using a 29x 3 dhr 2 front and chupacabra rear

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    Awesome bike man. Enjoy the ride.

    My recommendation would have been a Marin San Quentin 2 or 3. They are spot on geometry-wise imo, and really good value.

    https://www.marinbikes.com/ww/bikes/...-san-quentin-3

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    looks nice

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