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    Hi all, I know is a never ending subject I have a specialised enduro bike, I would want to ask what is your opinion on a not expensive agresive-ish tyre. I am interested in very good cornering and good grip. I will use it as everyday tire, I do a mix of trails (to get to where the fun starts) and fun=more extreme lose stone, roots, small drops, loose ground. What is out there at a better price than magic mary or hans damf?
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    LE. more research point to Minion DHF as a good all arounder and predictible in most of the conditions but what about
    Specialized Butcher Control 2BR 26X2.3? it's cheaper..
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    Minions offer grip at the cost of weight and rolling resistance. The Butcher is a good tire, some will say it is great.

    Bontrager has a couple models that receive consistent good reviews. I'm liking Conti's, Michelin's and Onza's at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afa View Post
    Hi all, I know is a never ending subject I have a specialised enduro bike, I would want to ask what is your opinion on a not expensive agresive-ish tyre. I am interested in very good cornering and good grip. I will use it as everyday tire, I do a mix of trails (to get to where the fun starts) and fun=more extreme lose stone, roots, small drops, loose ground. What is out there at a better price than magic mary or hans damf?
    Thank you!


    LE. more research point to Minion DHF as a good all arounder and predictible in most of the conditions but what about
    Specialized Butcher Control 2BR 26X2.3? it's cheaper..
    What are you currently running as a front tire? Make, model, casing...width?
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    Michelin wild rock'r2. Chainreaction has great deals on them now. They are amongst the best dry, loose, rocky tires I've tried. Under 40 right now on CR.

    I'm not a fan of the newer butcher tread pattern. Not sure why specialized dropped the original pattern designed by Sam Hill?

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    Have you checked out the Specialized Eliminator?

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    I'm a big fan of Hans Dampfs, the 2.35's are fairly massive and a respectable weight for the type of tire. I'd look for a sale though, their MSRP is high, but they can often be found for 50% off or better.
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    I use now a chaoyang gladiator tire - 26x 2.25, I don t like it, has no grip when cornering. I used before an Wtb vigilante, great tire! I use it now at the back, this is the reason why I am looking for a new tire for the front wheel.
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    yes, but they are heavy for "
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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    What are you currently running as a front tire? Make, model, casing...width?
    I use now a chaoyang gladiator tire - 26x 2.25, I don t like it, has no grip when cornering. I used before an Wtb vigilante, great tire! I use it now at the back, this is the reason why I am looking for a new tire for the front wheel. What do you think about High Roller II exo for air tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jestep View Post
    I'm a big fan of Hans Dampfs, the 2.35's are fairly massive and a respectable weight for the type of tire. I'd look for a sale though, their MSRP is high, but they can often be found for 50% off or better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Michelin wild rock'r2. Chainreaction has great deals on them now. They are amongst the best dry, loose, rocky tires I've tried. Under 40 right now on CR.

    I'm not a fan of the newer butcher tread pattern. Not sure why specialized dropped the original pattern designed by Sam Hill?
    Thanks for the tip, I'll check the website!

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    Quote Originally Posted by msedly View Post
    Have you checked out the Specialized Eliminator?
    I never tryed it, but looks over 50E at a quik search.

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    I am actually running the old Fat Albert 2.4 in the front with a Hans Dampf 2.4 in the back and it works great. This is my "traction" combo. If I want just speed, I use X-kings 2.4.
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    Yeah i'll vote for 2.35 minion 3c exo blah, blah.. a worthy do it all tyre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plummet View Post
    Yeah i'll vote for 2.35 minion 3c exo blah, blah.. a worthy do it all tyre.
    in my 15 years riding trail, DH and now Enduro the conversation begins and ends with the 2.35 (or 2.5 if you can find one) Minion DHF 3C. You "might" find a tire that's as good, or almost as good, but there are none better. I'm a sucker for components, clearance sales and tinkering with my bikes. I've tried almost everything and the Minion DHF is it.

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    DHR2 is a great front tire. The DHR2 is arguably a better front than rear tire. Think DHF that's more buttoned down in the corners (not as loose when transitiong from center to shoulder luggs) and better braking. It will roll a little slower but not as much as you might think. It handles mud better than DHF while still being an excellend dry tire. You can mix and match DHF and DHR on either ends. Can't go wrong with either minions.

    Do check chainreactioncycles for whatever you end up going with. They've been beating just about everyone on prices. If you want to stock up they are currently offering a 20$ off code for orders over 150. I just ordered 4 tires and used that code so I eneded up spending less than 35 per tire shipped for a mix of michelin and maxxis tires. If you've never ordered from them I think they always have a 10$ off new customer code.

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    I ride dry, crushed granite over hardpack, locally in PHX area. Ton's embedded and loose rocks, scree. I've run too many front tires to remember (Fat Alberts, Kenda, Speshy Purg (like that), to name just a few. I come back to DHF over and over though. That's my go-to. Currently using 2.5wt/exo/dc/3c?. Nothing is perfect in loose scrabble but I've never found a tire "better".

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride View Post
    I ride dry, crushed granite over hardpack, locally in PHX area. Ton's embedded and loose rocks, scree. I've run too many front tires to remember (Fat Alberts, Kenda, Speshy Purg (like that), to name just a few. I come back to DHF over and over though. That's my go-to. Currently using 2.5wt/exo/dc/3c?. Nothing is perfect in loose scrabble but I've never found a tire "better".
    Have you tried the wild rock'r2? It's a dry specific tire that works very well in the desert. I'm not saying it's better than the DHF, that really comes down to what traits you're looking for, but I will say the WR2 brakes, and climbs tech better when conditions are dry, hard and rocky. It corners really well too considering it has a defined drift zone like the DHF. I love the DHF, and feel it's a little more versatile considering it can handle some wet conditions, it digs better than the WR2 when you have softer soil, but when it comes to straight dry and rocky, the WR2 is pretty amazing. Anyone that rides desert and likes aggressive tires will probably love them. Good casing for AZ rocks that will pinch casings like nowhere else. Their compounds are excellent too. If you ride Sedona from time to time you'll be blown away with how well they stick to steep redrock lines. Climbing traction is great too. First time I ran a WR2 in Sedona I cleaned the climb to cowpies finding traction in spots that usually force me to push. On steep rock lines braking power over the DHF is very apparent. They are a proper 2.35 too unlike some 2.3's on the market. Once stretched they often measure up to 2.4 or a hair over.

    I would be surprised if any AZ rider didn't like them, though I'm not saying you'll like them more than the DHF. That depends on what you want out of your tires. I don't view tires as "better" just different traits. There's certainly crap tires out there, but once you find a few patterns that do what you want there is no better, just what you want for different conditions at any given time. The DHF will always be in rotation for me. There's a reason it's been around unchanged for so long.

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    Never heard of the Wild Rockr I'll give them a Google search. I'm always looking something new.

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    The DH-F and the Butcher look similar in tread pattern, but my vote is for the DH-F over the Butcher. This is a review that we did of the DH-F and the Butcher: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...tcherpurgatory
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    in my 15 years riding trail, DH and now Enduro the conversation begins and ends with the 2.35 (or 2.5 if you can find one) Minion DHF 3C. You "might" find a tire that's as good, or almost as good, but there are none better. I'm a sucker for components, clearance sales and tinkering with my bikes. I've tried almost everything and the Minion DHF is it.
    Thank you! What do you think about High Roller II? From what I see people say has bigger side knobs, is that true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    The DH-F and the Butcher look similar in tread pattern, but my vote is for the DH-F over the Butcher. This is a review that we did of the DH-F and the Butcher: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...tcherpurgatory
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Have you tried the wild rock'r2? It's a dry specific tire that works very well in the desert. I'm not saying it's better than the DHF, that really comes down to what traits you're looking for, but I will say the WR2 brakes, and climbs tech better when conditions are dry, hard and rocky. It corners really well too considering it has a defined drift zone like the DHF. I love the DHF, and feel it's a little more versatile considering it can handle some wet conditions, it digs better than the WR2 when you have softer soil, but when it comes to straight dry and rocky, the WR2 is pretty amazing. Anyone that rides desert and likes aggressive tires will probably love them. Good casing for AZ rocks that will pinch casings like nowhere else. Their compounds are excellent too. If you ride Sedona from time to time you'll be blown away with how well they stick to steep redrock lines. Climbing traction is great too. First time I ran a WR2 in Sedona I cleaned the climb to cowpies finding traction in spots that usually force me to push. On steep rock lines braking power over the DHF is very apparent. They are a proper 2.35 too unlike some 2.3's on the market. Once stretched they often measure up to 2.4 or a hair over.

    I would be surprised if any AZ rider didn't like them, though I'm not saying you'll like them more than the DHF. That depends on what you want out of your tires. I don't view tires as "better" just different traits. There's certainly crap tires out there, but once you find a few patterns that do what you want there is no better, just what you want for different conditions at any given time. The DHF will always be in rotation for me. There's a reason it's been around unchanged for so long.
    It was on my list also but never tried it

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    DHR2 is a great front tire. The DHR2 is arguably a better front than rear tire. Think DHF that's more buttoned down in the corners (not as loose when transitiong from center to shoulder luggs) and better braking. It will roll a little slower but not as much as you might think. It handles mud better than DHF while still being an excellend dry tire. You can mix and match DHF and DHR on either ends. Can't go wrong with either minions.

    Do check chainreactioncycles for whatever you end up going with. They've been beating just about everyone on prices. If you want to stock up they are currently offering a 20$ off code for orders over 150. I just ordered 4 tires and used that code so I eneded up spending less than 35 per tire shipped for a mix of michelin and maxxis tires. If you've never ordered from them I think they always have a 10$ off new customer code.
    I did registered but for some reason the promo code for new clients does not work..

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    Quote Originally Posted by afa View Post
    It was on my list also but never tried it

    Actually the Wild Grip'R Advanced 2.25 was one of my favorite tires. Hooked up really well and was fast. Terrible sidewall protection in the really sharp rocks but otherwise just fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Actually the Wild Grip'R Advanced 2.25 was one of my favorite tires. Hooked up really well and was fast. Terrible sidewall protection in the really sharp rocks but otherwise just fantastic.
    The Wild Rock'r2 only comes in one casing. It's one of the better mid weight casings on the market in regards to durability. I haven't tried Mich's other casings or tread patterns so I can't comment. Advanced reinforced what the WR2 uses. Not sure if that's what you tried? I have pinched WR2's but that's just the nature of "AM" casings. Only "AM" casing I haven't pinched is double down but I've yet to wear one out yet so it's premature to say it's more durable. I'm running a 2.3 DHF DD right now but I'm not a fan of the size. Too bad DD casing isn't offered in 2.5, or 2.4, because maxxis 2.3 is still undersized. I'll be going back to WR2 next, but my opinion is double down is the best mid weight casing on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    The Wild Rock'r2 only comes in one casing. It's one of the better mid weight casings on the market in regards to durability. I haven't tried Mich's other casings or tread patterns so I can't comment. Advanced reinforced what the WR2 uses. Not sure if that's what you tried? I have pinched WR2's but that's just the nature of "AM" casings. Only "AM" casing I haven't pinched is double down but I've yet to wear one out yet so it's premature to say it's more durable. I'm running a 2.3 DHF DD right now but I'm not a fan of the size. Too bad DD casing isn't offered in 2.5, or 2.4, because maxxis 2.3 is still undersized. I'll be going back to WR2 next, but my opinion is double down is the best mid weight casing on the market.

    Yeah, the Wild Rock'r2 had a much different casing and was much heavier. I only tried the Wild gripper advanced tires that were more geared towards light weight and rolling resistance.
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    For an all-around agressive tire, I'd go the with the Maxxis Ardent Race. While I do like the Minions, I would not consider them all around. The Ardent's have much lower rolling resistance and hook-up surprisingly well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    in my 15 years riding trail, DH and now Enduro the conversation begins and ends with the 2.35 (or 2.5 if you can find one) Minion DHF 3C. You "might" find a tire that's as good, or almost as good, but there are none better. I'm a sucker for components, clearance sales and tinkering with my bikes. I've tried almost everything and the Minion DHF is it.
    That's what I'm running these days. People balk at the weight, but your front tire is a do or die component.

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    To answer your question about the Butchers: I have been super happy with the Butcher Control 2.3 on the front of my 5-Spot. One of the few tires I ever bought twice in a row, and the ONLY one I've ever bought three times. I have had zero issues with the sidewall durability (I have always been lucky that way), but I think more sidewall support in the corners at lower pressure would be nice. I was a little hesitant at first to try it due to it being a little smaller than most of the 2.4s I typically ran in the past, but it turned out great.

    My current one is now worn out.

    For my new front tire I was thinking about the Butcher 2.3 Grid with the slightly thicker sidewall, but decided to try a 2.5 Minion DHF 3C EXO Something-Something (about the same size as the Butcher 2.3 from what I read). It is not a tubeless ready tire, but I am hopeful this will not be an issue with my Stans rims.

    My take on rolling resistance is that on the front it is not that big of a deal compared to the rear. In my book, the Butcher is a perfect all-rounder front tire, and I anticipate the 2.5 Minion to be as well.... we'll see.
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    You should get the Bontrager XR4 Team Edition for the rear and the XR5 Team Edition for the front, Ive heard that is the best setup. Um wait, they are not available in 26"

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    My girl just scored a 26" bike. I installed XR4s on hers front and rear in 26x2.35; bike came with 2.2s so I wasn't sure they'd fit but they fit great. Fork said it'd take a 2.4 on paper, I'm kinda curious if it'll take a 2.5 (2006 Rockshox Reba). The XR4 is perfect for the front. It may be a bit much for the back, but she's new, so I don't want her to fear wiping out. I might have considered an XR3 but it was $20 more. She got both XR4s for $70 from Trek's website!

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    It probably depends on the tire for what you can fit. I wish there was a more standard measuring system although it's usually possible to find actual widths of popular tires. I've got an older bike that will fit some 2.4's and won't fit other 2.3's, some tires just have much more volume/width even though they have the same rated size from the manufacturer.
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    The Performance brand Pisgah 2 looks pretty good. If you can still get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    The Performance brand Pisgah 2 looks pretty good. If you can still get it.
    I've got about 800 miles on one, on the back of my hardtail. I really like it!! Rolls well, super predictable, flawless durability so far. Its break-away behavior matches my preferred front tires and it's easy to 2-wheel drift. Somewhat hard rubber, but i don't need a tacky rear tire here, so i'm happy to trade for the really good tread life.

    For the front i prefer taller knobs and a softer rubber- butcher or dhf or the like.
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    I go with a 26"2.5 Minion DHF/ EXO for front wheel duty, and an Ardent 2.4" EXO casing for the rear. Durable, rolls well, and does everything else well too.

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