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    2004 Gary Fisher Upgrade Advice

    I am wanting to get into Mountain Biking again. I say again loosely as I was never more than a casual rider.

    I think I want to try and update my 04 Gary Fisher hardtail a little bit and use it instead of trying to purchase something more modern. Iím fairly inexperienced and my wife would never be ok with a big purchase for something Iím just getting into. Besides I really do like riding this bike.

    Bike is basically stock aside from saddle, Ergon grips and Maxxis Holly Roller tires (26x2.4). I was wanting to go tubeless tires even if that means buying new rims and tires, disc brakes (the frame is set up for them but the hubs are not) and change to a 1x11.

    Is this doable on my bike? There are some local trails I would like to start riding near me.(Molalla Oregon) Thank you for any insight.


    -edited more accurate specs 06/06/2018
    Stock Specs:

    Fisher Hoo Koo E Koo 2056600*14.073

    FRAMESET
    Main tubes . . . . . . . Platinum series butted ZR9000
    Stays . . . . . . . . . . . . Platinum series aluminum
    Color . . . . . . . . . . . . Bright Silver/Metallic Black ē Black/Silver decal ē Black fork
    Fork . . . . . . . . . . . . RockShox Pilot SL 80 mm travel, 450.0 mm axle-crown length
    Headset . . . . . . . . . Aheadset, semi-cartridge 25.4/34.0/30.0, 26.5 mm stack height

    CONTROLS
    Handlebar . . . . . . . . Bontrager Crowbar Sport 25.4 mm clamp diameter
    Stem . . . . . . . . . . . . Bontrager Sport 41.0 mm steerer clamp height
    Shift levers . . . . . . . Shimano Deore RapidFire+
    Brake levers . . . . . . Alloy, direct pull
    Grips . . . . . . . . . . . Serfas dual density

    DRIVETRAIN
    Front derailleur . . . Shimano Deore Top pull, Plate style w/34.9mm clamp attachment
    Rear derailleur . . . . Shimano Deore XT SGS
    Crankset . . . . . . . . . Bontrager Select 44/32/22 64/104 mm bolt hole circle
    Bottom bracket . . . Bontrager, ISIS splined 73 x 113 (shell x axle, mm), ISIS splined axle
    Chain . . . . . . . . . . . Shimano HG-53 9 speed, 106 links
    Cassette . . . . . . . . . SRAM 7.0 11-34, 9spd

    WHEELSET
    Front wheel . . . . . . Alloy, QR hub, 32į, Bontrager Maverick rim 542mm E.R.D.
    266 mm 3x spokes, Velox 19mm rim strip
    Rear wheel . . . . . . . Shimano M470 hub, 32į, Bontrager Maverick OSB rim 542 mm E.R.D.
    265/265 mm 3x rear spokes, Velox 22mm rim strip
    Spokes . . . . . . . . . . DT 14G stainless
    Front tire . . . . . . . . IRC Serac XC, folding 26 x 2.1
    Rear tire . . . . . . . . . IRC Serac XC, folding 26 x 2.1
    Inner tubes . . . . . . . Presta valve

    OTHER
    Seatpost . . . . . . . . . Bontrager Sport 31.6 mm outer diameter
    Saddle . . . . . . . . . . . Titec Ithys
    Seatpost binder . . . Alloy w/integral QR 36.4 mm inner diameter
    Brakes . . . . . . . . . . Shimano M420, V type
    Pedals . . . . . . . . . . . Shimano SPD M505, clipless 9/16Ē axle
    Additionals . . . . . . . 2 water bottle mounts (1 on 13), rack mounts
    Bike weight . . . . . . 27.5 lb/12.49 kg

    FIT dimensions in MM, unless specified
    Frame Size 13 15.5 17.5 19 21
    Rider height, in. 66.8 68.3 72.1 75.0 76.4
    cm 170 174 183 191 194
    Handlebar width 620 620 620 620 620
    Handlebar rise 25 25 25 25 25
    Stem length 75 75 90 105 105
    angle 15 15 15 15 15
    Headset spacers 25 25 25 25 25
    Crank length 170 170 175 175 175
    Seatpost length 300 300 350 350 350
    Steerer length 178.5 178.5 193.5 213.5 233.5

    GEOMETRY dimensions in MM, unless specified
    Head tube angle 70.5 71.0 71.5 71.5 71.5
    Fork offset 38.1 38.1 38.1 38.1 38.1
    Trail 74 71 68 68 68
    Seat tube angle 74.5 74.0 74.0 73.5 73.0
    Effective top tube 552 582 608 628 647
    Seat tube 332 396 446 484 535
    Standover 692 725 756 783 818
    Wheelbase 1031 1053 1075 1091 1107
    Bottom bracket height 287 292 292 292 297
    Chainstay 413 413 413 413 413
    Head tube 90 90 105 125 145

    GEARING
    22 32 44
    11 52 76 105
    13 44 65 89
    15 38 56 77
    17 34 49 68
    20 29 42 58
    23 25 36 50
    26 22 32 44
    30 19 28 38
    34 17 25 34
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    As a guy riding a slightly-newer-than-your Gary Fisher, I say just ride it until stuff wears out. You'll likely want a new chain, possibly cables and brake pads, but I certainly wouldn't upgrade much until stuff wears out. Get some seat time and get reacquainted with your bike, then move onto replacing parts. Your bike is solid already!
    I ride a 26'er with tubes and rim brakes.
    Yeah, I'm basically living in the stone age.

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    Do you have an approximate budget? Helps before making suggestions.

    Generally, for something like this, I would upgrade:

    Wheels and tires, brakes, and replace the cables and chain at the same time. Then see where you're at as far as wanting to do anything else. I definitely agree with wearing stuff out, but if there's an upgrade you really want that makes a big difference, wheels for example, then it's not a horrible idea.

    I'd definitely jump on ebay for wheels. Hardly anyone makes 26in wheels anymore. Tubeless disc ones are really easy to find lightly used though.
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    Thank you for the information. I honestly donít have a specific budget and am more looking to figure out if I can even do what I listed, if I should do what I listed, if there is something else I should do that I donít have listed and wonít be pointless on an older bike and finally what budget I will need once I figure that all out. Iím not in a hurry and Iím not worried about light weight or high end components, just what would make sense for an older bike.

    I can appreciate ďride it tell it breaksĒ and I still may on some of it but would still like to figure out what I am going to do in the long run and work on getting what I need ahead of time.

    What wheels should I look for on EBay. I really have no idea. I just want them to be decent quality, support tubeless and support an eventual 1x conversion.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ochoco View Post
    Thank you for the information. I honestly donít have a specific budget and am more looking to figure out if I can even do what I listed, if I should do what I listed, if there is something else I should do that I donít have listed and wonít be pointless on an older bike and finally what budget I will need once I figure that all out. Iím not in a hurry and Iím not worried about light weight or high end components, just what would make sense for an older bike.

    I can appreciate ďride it tell it breaksĒ and I still may on some of it but would still like to figure out what I am going to do in the long run and work on getting what I need ahead of time.

    What wheels should I look for on EBay. I really have no idea. I just want them to be decent quality, support tubeless and support an eventual 1x conversion.

    Thanks again.
    Just looked for a few minutes. Here's a few for $300 or less.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-XTR...s/202318420538

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/26-Shimano-...r/392028216453

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stans-Arch-...s/142788707434

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stans-ZTR-A...6/152997038766

    The first XTR one is a top notch XC wheelset and comes with 2 sets of great tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jestep View Post
    Just looked for a few minutes. Here's a few for $300 or less.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-XTR...s/202318420538

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/26-Shimano-...r/392028216453

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stans-Arch-...s/142788707434

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stans-ZTR-A...6/152997038766

    The first XTR one is a top notch XC wheelset and comes with 2 sets of great tires.
    Thank you for taking the time to look those up! I really appreciate it.

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    https://www.bikenashbar.com/cycling/...-edition-vl-zl I've got those on my '06 GF. They're actually a substantial upgrade over the OEM Bontrager rims.

    For the record, my OEM Bontrager rims spent some time outside in the winter, and the spokes corroded to a point where one or two popped, which set off a chain reaction and led to 5 or 6 actually breaking, and the rim itself going badly out of true.
    I ride a 26'er with tubes and rim brakes.
    Yeah, I'm basically living in the stone age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jestep View Post
    Just looked for a few minutes. Here's a few for $300 or less.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-XTR...s/202318420538

    The first XTR one is a top notch XC wheelset and comes with 2 sets of great tires.
    That is a sweet wheelset at a great price, especially with the 4 tires. I'd have jumped on that if it was available when I was shopping rims a month or two ago.

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    I purchased the XTR M985's off Ebay. Thanks again for the link. Now to figure out the rest! Learning a lot though.

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    I was able to upgrade to 1x10 reasonably here.

    Shimano XT 1x10sp Gear Kit Bundle | Chain Reaction Cycles

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    Great information here as I am in a similar situation only with an 07 GT Avalanche 3.0. Lots of decisions to be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksaw87 View Post
    As a guy riding a slightly-newer-than-your Gary Fisher, I say just ride it until stuff wears out. You'll likely want a new chain, possibly cables and brake pads, but I certainly wouldn't upgrade much until stuff wears out. Get some seat time and get reacquainted with your bike, then move onto replacing parts. Your bike is solid already!
    I agree.

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    After purchasing the new to me wheel sets I have been slowly getting some of the other parts I need. I know this bike is old and have actually spent more than I meant to but I can not afford a new bike right now. I am also very inexperienced as far as any kind of trail riding which I hope to start doing. 90% of the riding I did when I first got this bike was on pavement/gravel roads in Martinez, CA. I only put about 800 miles on the bike before I stopped riding but I really liked the looks and feel of this bike when I got it and still do. So I figured it should be fine for starting out.

    I enjoy working on cars/bikes and will use this as a way to learn some things as I get it all set up.

    So far I have purchased the following:

    XT CS-M8000 Cassette Silver, 11-42
    XT FCóM800 Crank Set 170mm
    XT M8000 SM-CRM81 Chainring 32T
    XT M8000 gs Shadow+ 11 Speed Rear Mech
    XTR BB93 HollowTech II Bottom Bracket 68/73mm Shell
    XTR 11 Speed Shifter SL-M9000 Right / Rear Trigger ISLM9000
    XTR MTB Bike Wheelset WH-M985 UST Tubeless QR
    Ultegra 6800-XT M8000 HG701 QLink Chain Silver

    I still need to get a brake set. I'm looking at the XT M8000 brake set as it's only a bit more than SLX. I'm not 100% sure what rotor size I can go with on my old 2004 Pilot SL fork and my old frame. I'm also not sure what adapters I need for the rotors.

    Other than the brakes I think I have gotten everything else I need. I just cant mount the wheels until I get the brakes as they don't work with my current V-Brakes.

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