Surly Krampus

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  • 02-14-2020
    UpTheAnte
    My Pickled Beat Beauty
    Was considering building up a newer generation Krampus, for a replacement of a first gen ops I sold a couple/three years ago and regretted as it left the drive way, but then this popped up on Pinkbike and it was reasonably close and we met in the middle.
    And here is my new 150 miles on her pickled beat clock:
    2018 Surly Krampus-M ( stock fork included )
    Fork 2018 Rockshox Pike B1-29+ debonair RCT3 120mm
    Wheel set Ibis Logo 942 carbon w/ Sram xd driver
    Terene McFly 29x2.8 tires installed ( 3.0 Surly Dirt Wizards included )
    Crankset, RaceFace Next Sl G4 carbon 170mm w/ 28t oval Absolute Black ring
    Cassette, Sram xx1 11speed 10-42 ( XO1 cassette included )
    Shifter & derailler, Sram xx1 11speed w/twist grip ( thought I would replace this, but growing to love it )
    Sram XX1 chain
    Dropper, Fox Performance Transfer Internal 125mm w/ Wolftooth lever
    Saddle, Ergon SM Pro
    Bar & Stem, Salsa 50mm stem w/ 750 Salsa Carbon Rustler
    Brake set, Shimono XTR 985 calipers w/ 9020 levers

    Chris, if your out there, I'm loving this ride, your attention to detail and eye for perfection, are par excellence.

    All this tips the scale at 27 lbs including Mudhuggers front and rear, Fenix headlight and Garmin 510
  • 02-19-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    The geometry looks tight on these bikes ... short reach - xl looks small imo ...
    Also the stock forks look like 1976 bike gear


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  • 02-19-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by UpTheAnte View Post
    Was considering building up a newer generation Krampus, for a replacement of a first gen ops I sold a couple/three years ago and regretted as it left the drive way, but then this popped up on Pinkbike and it was reasonably close and we met in the middle.
    And here is my new 150 miles on her pickled beat clock:
    2018 Surly Krampus-M ( stock fork included )
    Fork 2018 Rockshox Pike B1-29+ debonair RCT3 120mm
    Wheel set Ibis Logo 942 carbon w/ Sram xd driver
    Terene McFly 29x2.8 tires installed ( 3.0 Surly Dirt Wizards included )
    Crankset, RaceFace Next Sl G4 carbon 170mm w/ 28t oval Absolute Black ring
    Cassette, Sram xx1 11speed 10-42 ( XO1 cassette included )
    Shifter & derailler, Sram xx1 11speed w/twist grip ( thought I would replace this, but growing to love it )
    Sram XX1 chain
    Dropper, Fox Performance Transfer Internal 125mm w/ Wolftooth lever
    Saddle, Ergon SM Pro
    Bar & Stem, Salsa 50mm stem w/ 750 Salsa Carbon Rustler
    Brake set, Shimono XTR 985 calipers w/ 9020 levers

    Chris, if your out there, I'm loving this ride, your attention to detail and eye for perfection, are par excellence.

    All this tips the scale at 27 lbs including Mudhuggers front and rear, Fenix headlight and Garmin 510

    Looks like a Stache 7


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  • 02-19-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Looks like a Stache 7

    No, it doesn't.

    It's 50,000 times cooler than a T$#%!!
  • 02-23-2020
    Osco
    4805
    Fourthousandeighthundredfive posts now,
    Still going strong,
    Show me another bike doing this ?

    Kudo's to the Krampus :P
  • 02-23-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    No, it doesn't.

    It's 50,000 times cooler than a T$#%!!

    It does actually


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  • 02-23-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Osco View Post
    4805
    Fourthousandeighthundredfive posts now,
    Still going strong,
    Show me another bike doing this ?

    Kudo's to the Krampus :P

    I like my Krampus so much, I got an Ice Cream Truck to compliment it.
  • 02-24-2020
    loren90
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    It does actually


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    Maybe the beet color? But the frame looks different, and I'm sure it's a fun bike to ride, but that Trek design is ugly AF!
  • 02-24-2020
    jcd46
    And isn't that aluminum?? No Thanks![emoji4]
  • 02-24-2020
    dbhammercycle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    It does actually

    There is something really wrong with this comparison... dare I say, you wouldn't judge books or people on color alone would you?
  • 02-26-2020
    UpTheAnte
    Surly Rear Disk Rack gen2 Krampus
  • 02-27-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    No, it doesn't.

    It's 50,000 times cooler than a T$#%!!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Osco View Post
    4805
    Fourthousandeighthundredfive posts now,
    Still going strong,
    Show me another bike doing this ?

    Kudo's to the Krampus :P

    nope...just another fad. ;)
  • 02-28-2020
    temporoad
    Lefty fork and wheel for sale
    Selling my Lefty fork and wheel had setup for the Krampus v1.

    thanks
  • 03-26-2020
    cjbiker
    Is anyone running 1x11 with non-boost Shimano cranks on a 1st Gen Krampus? Does the chain clear a true 3" tire when in the lowest gear?
  • 03-27-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    Is anyone running 1x11 with non-boost Shimano cranks on a 1st Gen Krampus? Does the chain clear a true 3" tire when in the lowest gear?

    Isn't that the way they come?
  • 03-27-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Isn't that the way they come?

    The OG Krampus was 1x10. The largest cog on an 11 speed cassette is a few mm closer to centerline. My new gen Krampus with 1x11 boost has the chain awfully close to the tire when it's in the lowest gear. I want to be sure it still clears on the older model with non-boost before I order parts.
  • 03-27-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    The OG Krampus was 1x10. The largest cog on an 11 speed cassette is a few mm closer to centerline. My new gen Krampus with 1x11 boost has the chain awfully close to the tire when it's in the lowest gear. I want to be sure it still clears on the older model with non-boost before I order parts.

    Oh, ok. my buddy has an OG Krampus and I converted it to GX Eagle 12 speed for him. He has the original Saint crankset. The chain does not rub the tire on his bike.
  • 03-27-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Oh, ok. my buddy has an OG Krampus and I converted it to GX Eagle 12 speed for him. He has the original Saint crankset. The chain does not rub the tire on his bike.

    What rim/tire? I've got Rabbit Hole rims and Maxxis Chronicles ready for this build. That combo should yield a true 3" tire.
  • 03-27-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    What rim/tire? I've got Rabbit Hole rims and Maxxis Chronicles ready for this build. That combo should yield a true 3" tire.

    Knards on Rabbit Holes set up split tubeless.
  • 03-27-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Knards on Rabbit Holes set up split tubeless.

    Excellent, thanks!

    Backing up a second, you said the original Saint crankset. IIRC, the OG Krampus came with a Zee crank. Is that the one he has, or is it a Saint?
  • 03-27-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    Excellent, thanks!

    Backing up a second, you said the original Saint crankset. IIRC, the OG Krampus came with a Zee crank. Is that the one he has, or is it a Saint?

    Nope. You are correct. It is a Zee.
  • 03-28-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Nope. You are correct. It is a Zee.

    You're a wheel builder, right? What are your thoughts on building up the Rabbit Hole rims asymmetrically, so that the spoke tension is more even. That would use the left side spoke holes on the rear, and the right side holes on the front wheel. I've seen a few blog posts and some theoretical discussion about it on this forum, but no long-term follow up. I know the Pugs and Moonlander have used asym wheels for a long time and it hasn't been an issue. I'm mostly convinced to build up my RH rims this way.
  • 03-28-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    You're a wheel builder, right? What are your thoughts on building up the Rabbit Hole rims asymmetrically, so that the spoke tension is more even. That would use the left side spoke holes on the rear, and the right side holes on the front wheel. I've seen a few blog posts and some theoretical discussion about it on this forum, but no long-term follow up. I know the Pugs and Moonlander have used asym wheels for a long time and it hasn't been an issue. I'm mostly convinced to build up my RH rims this way.

    Im not sure it would benefit you on a frame that isnt offset. Ive never had a problem with an offset wheel on a Pugs or a Moonlander or a Lefty for that matter, but I dont think lacing a wheel offset for a frame that isnt offset would give you what you are looking for. Ill run it through a spoke calculator and see.
  • 03-28-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Im not sure it would benefit you on a frame that isnt offset. Ive never had a problem with an offset wheel on a Pugs or a Moonlander or a Lefty for that matter, but I dont think lacing a wheel offset for a frame that isnt offset would give you what you are looking for. Ill run it through a spoke calculator and see.

    This is the blog post that got me thinking about it.

    https://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/2...us-wheelbuild/

    Even in the front, the difference in spoke tension is significantly reduced by an asym build.
  • 03-28-2020
    CCSS
    Not sure about the asymmetric build, but I can say that my traditionally built RH wheels (135/100 w/ supercomps, alloy nipples and DT 240s hubs) was uncannily bomb proof. I bashed those around rigid SS for 5 years on my OG Krampus and donít think I ever had to true Ďem.
  • 03-28-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    This is the blog post that got me thinking about it.

    https://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/2...us-wheelbuild/

    Even in the front, the difference in spoke tension is significantly reduced by an asym build.

    I guess you cannot argue with those spoke tensions. Build a set of wheels with Raceface offset Arcs and gain the tension benefit and easy tubeless.
  • 03-28-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Is the krampus more bike packing? Where the karate monkey is more trails?

    Like what is the express use for the Krampus ?


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  • 03-28-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Is the krampus more bike packing? Where the karate monkey is more trails?

    Like what is the express use for the Krampus ?


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    Krampus is a bad ass trail monster!
  • 03-28-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Krampus is a bad ass trail monster!

    I hate that it gets this reputation. Everyone seems to think 29+ is a backpacking wheel size. (well, those that don't know).
  • 03-28-2020
    Redlands R&C
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    You're a wheel builder, right? What are your thoughts on building up the Rabbit Hole rims asymmetrically, so that the spoke tension is more even. That would use the left side spoke holes on the rear, and the right side holes on the front wheel. I've seen a few blog posts and some theoretical discussion about it on this forum, but no long-term follow up. I know the Pugs and Moonlander have used asym wheels for a long time and it hasn't been an issue. I'm mostly convinced to build up my RH rims this way.

    I've done this twice, once on a pugsley (when I only had rear hubs) on a non-offset fork, and I laced to only the left side of the rolling darryl and once on a rabbit hole in a Jones Plus. The rolling darryl needed to be laced to the left side due to the distance between spokes, but it ran fine for the duration of the build (plus it looked silly/fun). It was not necessary on the Jones Plus as it was a normal rear end, but I did it only because of the near equal spoke tension/length benefit and I happened to have those spokes on hand. Also worked just fine for the duration that I ran/had it.
  • 03-28-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    I have to say after riding my asymmetrically laced front wheel on my Wednesday with a Lefty for 4-5 years now, I'm growing tired of it. The front wheel flexes too much when pushed hard either in hard corners or when jumping. The front end squirms and the spokes rattle together.

    My riding has changed and I'm ready for something with a stiffer front end that tracks better.

    cjbiker- Unless you're having issues with wheels that don't hold up and you're constantly having to rebuilt them, the difference in spoke tension on a traditional wheel is not a problem. In other words, you may be looking for a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

    IMO the asymmetric lacing pattern comes with tradeoffs.
  • 03-28-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    I hate that it gets this reputation. Everyone seems to think 29+ is a backpacking wheel size. (well, those that don't know).

    There are zero videos on YouTube showing the bike in rugged terrain .


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  • 03-28-2020
    cjbiker
    Thanks for the responses. I have the Rabbit Hole rims on hand, so I'm going to use them for my OG Krampus, which has regular 29er wheels on it now. I bought the RH rims years ago to build KramPug wheels, but I sold the Pugsley a few years ago. I'm not looking to solve any problem, it just seemed to this amateur mechanic that the offset spoke holes could be a plus. I would expect the better bracing angle would make for a stiffer wheel, but I could be wrong.
  • 03-28-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    There are zero videos on YouTube showing the bike in rugged terrain .

    Ok?
  • 03-28-2020
    ELECTRIC_YETI
    1 Attachment(s)
    But it does happen. Certainly not for the faint of heart. Took the wife to Sunday River for a couple of lessons.(I could only get her so far.) Her instructor asked if he could take a run with it. He came back excited and terrified. Said it was a blast but prefers the squish.Attachment 1320087

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  • 03-28-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    There are zero videos on YouTube showing the bike in rugged terrain .


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    If it's not on YouTube it never happened?
  • 03-28-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    If it's not on YouTube it never happened?

    Sure looks like 29+ is capable of more than just touring bike paths.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VdpWIgmCmI
  • 03-28-2020
    CCSS
    4 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    There are zero videos on YouTube showing the bike in rugged terrain .

    Dang, I should've posted to youtube. Guess this stuff never happened ;)

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  • 03-28-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Krampus is a bad ass trail monster!

    Very capable, indeed.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    I hate that it gets this reputation. Everyone seems to think 29+ is a backpacking wheel size. (well, those that don't know).

    Pfft! My buddy has been freeriding a V1 since the day he bought it and since sold off the Scythe.
  • 03-28-2020
    loren90
    Mine was properly navigated over jumps, rocks, roots, berms, and everything else when I lived in Oregon. This pic was at Alsea Falls.
  • 03-30-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    There are zero videos on YouTube showing the bike in rugged terrain .


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    this is because of a few things:

    1. people are afraid to ride them in those situations b/c of no squish
    2. people are too busy riding them to take pics
    3. people are too far out in the wilderness on them to send pics

    ;)
  • 03-30-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    this is because of a few things:

    1. people are afraid to ride them in those situations b/c of no squish
    2. people are too busy riding them to take pics
    3. people are too far out in the wilderness on them to send pics

    ;)

    Well said! Long live the Krampi, I say...
  • 03-31-2020
    cjbiker
    Anyone sitting on a medium Moonlit Swamp green frameset? I've got an itch to swap my large frame for a medium.
  • 03-31-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    There are zero videos on YouTube showing the bike in rugged terrain .


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    Thats because its difficult to catch them on video... Kinda like Bigfoot.
  • 03-31-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Thats because its difficult to catch them on video... Kinda like Bigfoot.

    Didn't you get that part on Discovery Channel where they found Sasquatch...riding a Krampus or a fatty or sompin??
  • 03-31-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    I can get a good deal on a 2018 barely ridden


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  • 03-31-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    I can get a good deal on a 2018 barely ridden


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    Cool.
  • 03-31-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Didn't you get that part on Discovery Channel where they found Sasquatch...riding a Krampus or a fatty or sompin??

    That would be the coolest thing ever on tv.
  • 03-31-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Anyone own a fat bike plus the Krampus ? Or overkill ?


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  • 03-31-2020
    mikesee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Anyone own a fat bike plus the Krampus ? Or overkill ?


    Depends on your needs, desires, and local conditions. I have two fatbikes plus a 29+. But my situation is not yours.
  • 03-31-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Anyone own a fat bike plus the Krampus ? Or overkill ?


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    anyone own a CX bike plus an all mountain bike, plus an enduro bike, plus a downhill bike? Or overkill?

    just sayin'.
  • 03-31-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Anyone own a fat bike plus the Krampus ? Or overkill ?

    No number of bikes is overkill. Even if you only have two and it's the same bike but set up differently. Still not redundant in my book.

    More the merrier.
  • 04-01-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Anyone own a fat bike plus the Krampus ? Or overkill ?


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    How about two fat bikes and two Krampuses (Krampi?)? And I'm considering adding a third Krampus, at least temporarily. It's a sickness.
  • 04-01-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    How about two fat bikes and two Krampuses (Krampi?)? And I'm considering adding a third Krampus, at least temporarily. It's a sickness.

    I have two fatties and a Krampus. And a folder. And I want a Bridge Club.
  • 04-01-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I have two fatties and a Krampus. And a folder. And I want a Bridge Club.

    I'm with you on the Bridge Club. Looks like a great all-rounder bike.
  • 04-01-2020
    cjbiker
    I found a shop somewhat nearby with an NOS medium Moonlit Swamp Krampus in stock. I'd want to swap my parts over to that frame, leaving me with a used large frame built with new stock parts to sell. I'm not excited about trying to sell a bike in this current situation, but it seems like a pretty good deal all around. Thoughts?
  • 04-01-2020
    1spd1way
    I think vik is looking for a large frame.
  • 04-01-2020
    1spd1way
    I think vikb is looking for a large frame.
  • 04-01-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Just picked up an 2018 XL today

    Nx is the only drawback

    What suspension fork is best for this ride thx


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  • 04-01-2020
    vikb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 1spd1way View Post
    I think vik is looking for a large frame.

    Thanks for thinking of me. I ended up getting a custom built 29+ frame so I'm good. I am keeping the OG Green Krampus as a SS urban assault rig and the medium frame is fine for that mission. :)
  • 04-01-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Thanks for thinking of me. I ended up getting a custom built 29+ frame so I'm good. I am keeping the OG Green Krampus as a SS urban assault rig and the medium frame is fine for that mission. :)

    Who made the custom-made what frame


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  • 04-01-2020
    vikb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Who made the custom-made what frame



    Peter Daam built me a frame inspired by my Krampus, but made more aggressive for Coastal BC riding. I expected to use it bikepacking, but I have really loved just day to day trail riding on it....which I wasn't expecting. Before I got this bike I would have told you our trails weren't super hardtail friendly...I was wrong! :p

    Anyways I have a thread for that bike so we don't pollute the Krampus thread if you want more info:

    https://forums.mtbr.com/26-27-5-29-p...a-1113709.html
  • 04-01-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Badass


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  • 04-02-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Just picked up an 2018 XL today
    What suspension fork is best for this ride thx

    I run a 29+ Manitou Mattoc Pro 120 on mine, but you can use a Fox 34, RS Pike, or something else. Lots of forks clear big tires now.
  • 04-02-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post

    What suspension fork is best for this ride thx

    I have a Rockshox Yari on mine. Works awesome.
  • 04-02-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Peter Daam built me a frame inspired by my Krampus, but made more aggressive for Coastal BC riding. I expected to use it bikepacking, but I have really loved just day to day trail riding on it....which I wasn't expecting. Before I got this bike I would have told you our trails weren't super hardtail friendly...I was wrong! :p

    Anyways I have a thread for that bike so we don't pollute the Krampus thread if you want more info:

    https://forums.mtbr.com/26-27-5-29-p...a-1113709.html

    Too late, Vik! :nono:
  • 04-02-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Does anybody run Jones bars on their bike ? How do they handle rough terrain and trails ?


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  • 04-02-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Does anybody run Jones bars on their bike ? How do they handle rough terrain and trails ?


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    I have Jones bars on my first gen Krampus. They're comfortable for cruising around, but I prefer straighter bars for gnarly riding. There are people that shred with Jones bars, though. It's a matter of preference.
  • 04-02-2020
    vikb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    I have Jones bars on my first gen Krampus. They're comfortable for cruising around, but I prefer straighter bars for gnarly riding. There are people that shred with Jones bars, though. It's a matter of preference.

    Same here. Jones bars are great for non-technical riding like the GDR. For real techy singetrack I'll take some sort of MTB riser bar. I like the SQ Labs 12 deg bars a lot.
  • 04-02-2020
    Fat-in-Fundy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Just picked up an 2018 XL today

    Nx is the only drawback

    What suspension fork is best for this ride thx


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    Be sure to post some pics after getting some dirt on the new ride, I'm Moonlit Swamp Green with envy after having to put my new Krampus plans on ice after the pandemic hit. :)
  • 04-02-2020
    loren90
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Does anybody run Jones bars on their bike ? How do they handle rough terrain and trails ?


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    I had a pair of Jones bars on a 27.5+ bike (including rigid and with front susp) that I used for just about everything. Loved them especially for longer rides, and where it's not just all tech singletrack. e.g. pedaling to and from a trailhead. I would say not the best if steep switchbacks are exclusively your thing but once I adjusted I think the jones bars are great for 90% of riding, provided you aren't some crazy downhiller type. I also like bars that are a little wider than 710mm, but I can't see how the jones could go wider without the sweep bringing them back too much.

    I tried putting them back on my krampus recently, but am too lazy to switch out for longer cable housing due to the sweep. Currently, I'm running a pair of stooge moto bars that I really like from vic, with 17degree sweep and some good rise. I tend to like riser style bars more these days (I'm 6'3").

    Next, I think I'd like bars between the jones and slightly swept bars like the Stooges, something in the 25-30 degree range. my GF has a pair of the newish surly terminal bars that have real nice geometry (and good price), but for me those would be awesome if they came in a ~780-800mm width.
  • 04-02-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fat-in-Fundy View Post
    Be sure to post some pics after getting some dirt on the new ride, I'm Moonlit Swamp Green with envy after having to put my new Krampus plans on ice after the pandemic hit. :)

    Perfectly great time to ride the bicycle .


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  • 04-02-2020
    Guy.Ford
    Surly Krampus
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  • 04-02-2020
    CCSS
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Guy.Ford View Post
    Not really.

    Not trying to be a Doug Downer but I implore anyone who thinks riding is being ďsocially consciousĒ to please read the following.


    https://nsmb.com/articles/dear-uncle...-ride-my-bike/


    Flame on.

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    Hmmm. Itís an interesting and amusing bit of prose, but Uncle Dave seems cool with taking his dog to the park to play with other dogs and heading out to buy good beer.

    Solo bike rides seem statistically safer to me. Particularly when factoring in the ROR (return on risk) in terms of exercise and sanity benefits. YMMV
  • 04-02-2020
    Guy.Ford
    Surly Krampus
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  • 04-02-2020
    Guy.Ford
    Surly Krampus
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  • 04-03-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Umm, so about that KRAMPUS!
  • 04-03-2020
    NYrr496
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    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Does anybody run Jones bars on their bike ? How do they handle rough terrain and trails ?


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    I have em. After a few rides getting used to them, I can now ride the gnarliest trail with these bars. I can't ride with straight bars anymore. I broke my right forearm years ago and the doctor did a piss poor repair. My wrist hurts bad after a few hours on straight bars.
  • 04-03-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
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    I have em. After a few rides getting used to them, I can now ride the gnarliest trail with these bars. I can't ride with straight bars anymore. I broke my right forearm years ago and the doctor did a piss poor repair. My wrist hurts bad after a few hours on straight bars.

    Wow thx 4 pic - they look so intriguing- I juu I just had my elbow reconstructed , tendons reattached.

    I feel that jack hammer affect after awhile- Iím sure itíd take me awhile to get the feel of these on rough trails.

    Thx !


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  • 04-03-2020
    TheNatureBoy
    Would this fork work ? 29 / 27.5+



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  • 04-03-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Wow thx 4 pic - they look so intriguing- I juu I just had my elbow reconstructed , tendons reattached.

    I feel that jack hammer affect after awhile- Iím sure itíd take me awhile to get the feel of these on rough trails.

    Thx !


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    Between the bars and the foam grips, they definitely help. It did take a little getting used to. On the first two or three rides, I'd do a small jump over stuff and wind up off the trail in the trees. I'm all good now.
  • 04-12-2020
    clinton
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    I'm waiting on delivery of this. Thought about getting a Surly years ago, but went a different route. Took advantage of Surly's ship direct to house offer to save me from driving across the state to the closest Surly dealer. Cant wait!
  • 04-12-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by clinton View Post
    I'm waiting on delivery of this. Thought about getting a Surly years ago, but went a different route. To advantage of Surly's ship direct to house offer to save me from driving across the state to the closest Surly dealer. Cant wait!

    ahhh yes...full rigid blue happiness!!!
  • 04-13-2020
    Coldwater
    Any one of you fellow newer Krampus (2018) owners running an XT 11 speed derailleur with a Sunrace MS8 (the all steel cassette) 11-46?

    I just installed the Sunrace cassette after building a new wheelset and the derailleur arm converges (contacts) the chain when up shifting (chain moving outboard) into the very middle (6th) cog. This middle cog is a 24 tooth on the Sunrace and it was a 21 tooth on the XT cassette, so larger in size.

    I just ordered a Wolftooth Goatlink 11 speed which I hope solves the problem. Also, I have the Surly axle spacers installed which moves the axle back approximately 12 mm and it sits in the middle of the dropouts. The Surly spacers were needed to clear a 29x3 DHF on i40 rim. The spacers end up moving the cassette closer to the derailleur arm where the cable is fixed.

    If anyone has experienced this and found a solution, I'd love to hear about it. Take care
  • 04-14-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Coldwater View Post
    Any one of you fellow newer Krampus (2018) owners running an XT 11 speed derailleur with a Sunrace MS8 (the all steel cassette) 11-46?

    I just installed the Sunrace cassette after building a new wheelset and the derailleur arm converges (contacts) the chain when up shifting (chain moving outboard) into the very middle (6th) cog. This middle cog is a 24 tooth on the Sunrace and it was a 21 tooth on the XT cassette, so larger in size.

    I just ordered a Wolftooth Goatlink 11 speed which I hope solves the problem. Also, I have the Surly axle spacers installed which moves the axle back approximately 12 mm and it sits in the middle of the dropouts. The Surly spacers were needed to clear a 29x3 DHF on i40 rim. The spacers end up moving the cassette closer to the derailleur arm where the cable is fixed.

    If anyone has experienced this and found a solution, I'd love to hear about it. Take care

    Did you adjust the B screw? If it's all the way in, get the Wolf Tooth B screw too, it's much longer.
  • 04-14-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Coldwater View Post
    Any one of you fellow newer Krampus (2018) owners running an XT 11 speed derailleur with a Sunrace MS8 (the all steel cassette) 11-46?

    I just installed the Sunrace cassette after building a new wheelset and the derailleur arm converges (contacts) the chain when up shifting (chain moving outboard) into the very middle (6th) cog. This middle cog is a 24 tooth on the Sunrace and it was a 21 tooth on the XT cassette, so larger in size.

    I just ordered a Wolftooth Goatlink 11 speed which I hope solves the problem. Also, I have the Surly axle spacers installed which moves the axle back approximately 12 mm and it sits in the middle of the dropouts. The Surly spacers were needed to clear a 29x3 DHF on i40 rim. The spacers end up moving the cassette closer to the derailleur arm where the cable is fixed.

    If anyone has experienced this and found a solution, I'd love to hear about it. Take care

    I'm running the Sunrace 11-50 11spd cassette with Shimano derailleurs on two bikes. You need the Goatlink with that cassette. I'm running a Shimano 11-46 cassette and derailleur on my 2018 Krampus without a Goatlink, and it works fine. As OneSpeed said you need to fiddle with the B-tension screw to get it to work. Also, your chain can't be too long. One or two links (where one link is an inner and outer section!) longer than it takes to go around the chainring and largest cog without the derailleur. Any longer and it won't work well with these huge cassettes.

    I ran a 3" DHR on a RaceFace ARC 45 without having to move the axle back. I'm surprised you need to with an i40 rim.
  • 04-14-2020
    Coldwater
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    Did you adjust the B screw? If it's all the way in, get the Wolf Tooth B screw too, it's much longer.

    I haven't adjusted the B screw as it shifts to the largest 46 tooth cog well and has the recommended spacing between the upper derailleur pulley and largest cog. The cassette this is replacing is the Shimano XT 11-46, so the same gear range just the sixth cog is 3 teeth larger on the Sunrace. I'll look into it. I do have a longer B screw if necessary. Thank you!
  • 04-14-2020
    Coldwater
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    I'm running the Sunrace 11-50 11spd cassette with Shimano derailleurs on two bikes. You need the Goatlink with that cassette. I'm running a Shimano 11-46 cassette and derailleur on my 2018 Krampus without a Goatlink, and it works fine. As OneSpeed said you need to fiddle with the B-tension screw to get it to work. Also, your chain can't be too long. One or two links (where one link is an inner and outer section!) longer than it takes to go around the chainring and largest cog without the derailleur. Any longer and it won't work well with these huge cassettes.

    I ran a 3" DHR on a RaceFace ARC 45 without having to move the axle back. I'm surprised you need to with an i40 rim.

    Thanks for the response. The bike shifted great with the XT 11-46 other than not loving the 37-46 jump at the two lowest gears, hence giving the Sunrace a try. I originally built the bike with rabbit holes and Chronicles and the clearance was super tight at the chain stays so I installed the Surly spacers. I think the problem is simply a combination of having to run the axle in the middle of the dropouts and the Sunrace cassette having a larger 6th cog than the XT.

    I fitted my chain with one extra link and compared it to the chain I was replacing and it is one link longer but the chain I was replacing was sized before I added the Surly spacers so I thought maybe it was a touch short. Following your recommendation, maybe I should put the old (one link shorter) chain on and see if somehow it improves. But right now when shifting up into 6th cog the chain and derailleur arm just barely collide.

    I definitely wish I could run the axle all the way forward but it is ridiculously tight at the knobs with the Chronicles on rabbit holes or DHF/DHR on wtb i40s without the axle spacers. I'm in Alaska, and while I don't choose to ride when it's wet, sometimes it happens and the clearance is needed.
  • 04-14-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Coldwater View Post
    Thanks for the response. The bike shifted great with the XT 11-46 other than not loving the 37-46 jump at the two lowest gears, hence giving the Sunrace a try. I originally built the bike with rabbit holes and Chronicles and the clearance was super tight at the chain stays so I installed the Surly spacers. I think the problem is simply a combination of having to run the axle in the middle of the dropouts and the Sunrace cassette having a larger 6th cog than the XT.

    I fitted my chain with one extra link and compared it to the chain I was replacing and it is one link longer but the chain I was replacing was sized before I added the Surly spacers so I thought maybe it was a touch short. Following your recommendation, maybe I should put the old (one link shorter) chain on and see if somehow it improves. But right now when shifting up into 6th cog the chain and derailleur arm just barely collide.

    I definitely wish I could run the axle all the way forward but it is ridiculously tight at the knobs with the Chronicles on rabbit holes or DHF/DHR on wtb i40s without the axle spacers. I'm in Alaska, and while I don't choose to ride when it's wet, sometimes it happens and the clearance is needed.

    I'd try adjusting the B screw before swapping chains.

    Yes, clearance is really tight with true 3" tires on wide rims.
  • 04-14-2020
    Coldwater
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    I'd try adjusting the B screw before swapping chains.

    Yes, clearance is really tight with true 3" tires on wide rims.

    I'll try subtle adjustments to the B screw and see if that works. If not, I'm hoping the Goatlink will solve the problem. I'm not too familiar with it but I think it is slightly longer than the Shimano derailleur link that's on there. Thanks for the help!
  • 05-01-2020
    DaddyFatStax
    Pinkbike actually wrote and article on the Krampus just now! Never thought I'd see the day.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/opinio...n-oddball.html


    Slightly annoyed it was mostly referred to as a gravel bike, but an interesting read nonetheless from an endurobro site.
  • 05-01-2020
    vikb
    Ya that's about as good as it gets for a site like PB. One of the editors said he was buying a hardtail on a recent PB podcast [something with modern enduro geo and suspension fork] the other editors said he a was an idiot and should stick to FS bikes. So you can imagine their thoughts on a steel HT with less than cutting edge geo.
  • 05-01-2020
    cjbiker
    I have mixed feelings on that article. Yeah, I realize the context of where it's coming from, but the overall theme is "you can have fun on a POS bike!". I take exception to the Krampus is used as an example. Besides, mine stops quite well, and despite (or maybe because?) the fact that my stem is "only" 70mm, it goes right where I point it with no terror involved.
  • 05-01-2020
    DaddyFatStax
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    it goes right where I point it with no terror involved.


    Yea, the terror part was funny. I've bombed so much gnarly shit on my rigid Krampus, at speed, and very seldom (won't say never) had a feeling of terror. My thought while reading this was that dude must not have the best technique what with being spoiled by gobs of travel.
  • 05-01-2020
    vikb
    When I built my custom 29+ HT one of the things I was looking forward to was less terror than the time I threw my Krampus down the sides of mountains on bikepacking trips and trail rides. I made it happen, but the sketchiness was high at times.

    That's not a criticism of the OG Krampus. That's just an acknowledgement that there are different tools for different jobs. I don't get pissed that my 5mm allen key doesn't undo every fastener on my bike. That's why I own more than one tool.
  • 05-01-2020
    DaddyFatStax
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Ya that's about as good as it gets for a site like PB. One of the editors said he was buying a hardtail on a recent PB podcast [something with modern enduro geo and suspension fork] the other editors said he a was an idiot and should stick to FS bikes. So you can imagine their thoughts on a steel HT with less than cutting edge geo.


    I've been wondering if their podcast was any good. Some of the topics looked kinda interesting. Really been looking for some good content now that "MTB Podcast" is apparently dead. Loved that show
  • 05-01-2020
    vikb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaddyFatStax View Post
    I've been wondering if their podcast was any good. Some of the topics looked kinda interesting. Really been looking for some good content now that "MTB Podcast" is apparently dead. Loved that show

    I wouldn't say the PB podcasts are amazing, but if you read their site it is interesting to get unscripted spontaneous feedback from them that you wouldn't see in a curated article. PB has their own slant/biases so you have to be okay with that. Personally listening to some enduro bros talk doesn't bother me one bit regardless of whether I jump on my FS enduro bike or my rigid SS steel MTB next.
  • 05-02-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaddyFatStax View Post
    Pinkbike actually wrote and article on the Krampus just now! Never thought I'd see the day.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/opinio...n-oddball.html


    Slightly annoyed it was mostly referred to as a gravel bike, but an interesting read nonetheless from an endurobro site.

    With Chronicles, it is a GG, swap those out for some good tires and then you're cookin' with gas!

    By the commentaries, it looks like pinkybike hasn't changed either.
  • 05-03-2020
    loren90
    Yeah I saw that pop up on pinkbike and definitely a cool article to see. While the author does a nice job for the most part (and refreshing content from PB), a few points I have to disagree with. Even in the stock build ~$1500 rigid is not necessarily entry level for a lot of folks. Stock brakes have worked fine, NX groupset isn't anything special but works well enough for now (can upgrade over time) - there are $3k+ 'budget' full susp bikes nowadays that come with NX. I think surly even offers a suspension fork model now? I've taken mine (newer geo krampus) both in rigid mode and with a suspension fork down some real rough terrain, and can easily keep up with enduro bro friends esp with the suspension. And tires, keep those stock DWs on and those are some serious treaded tires that grip to just about anything. Current mode in rigid + dropper + 50mm stem (not the stock 80mm) has proven pretty capable. 29+ is not a replacement for full suspension, but given I don't own one, nor am interested in going ripping fast down rough terrain, the krampus is a pretty good all arounder, not a budget-only ride!
  • 05-09-2020
    BansheeRune
    Perhaps a Krampus Konvention should be thought of for all the Krampi to get together and be represented, post cooties-19, of course.
  • 05-10-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Perhaps a Krampus Konvention should be thought of for all the Krampi to get together and be represented, post cooties-19, of course.

    that would be sweet!! Sort of like Sturgis, but not as loud
  • 05-10-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    that would be sweet!! Sort of like Sturgis, but not as loud

    I think it could be very kewl for the Krampus owners to have a good time getting together, BBQ, Burrs, ice cold burrs and loud muzak, bonfire with a jump over it, tons of Surly Steel and peeps sharing the greatness of good community, good bike time with such an awesome bike breed everywhere!!

    IF something like that were to happen, this thread would nuke the server in minutes!:thumbsup:
  • 05-10-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    I think it could be very kewl for the Krampus owners to have a good time getting together, BBQ, Burrs, ice cold burrs and loud muzak, bonfire with a jump over it, tons of Surly Steel and peeps sharing the greatness of good community, good bike time with such an awesome bike breed everywhere!!

    IF something like that were to happen, this thread would nuke the server in minutes!:thumbsup:

    yep...would be cool to go somewhere central to do it....like in the early summer...maybe somewhere in Minnesota?
  • 05-10-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    yep...would be cool to go somewhere central to do it....like in the early summer...maybe somewhere in Minnesota?

    Wherevuh! But I hope to have planted a seed here.
  • 05-10-2020
    GT87
    Just a Krampus photo

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  • 05-11-2020
    GT87
    One more

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  • 05-11-2020
    NYrr496
    Over this past weekend I swapped the Cane Creek 40 headset in my Krampus for a Hellbender 70 basically because it says Hellbender on it. Just looks cooler. I also swapped the white S on my headtube for a black one. Looks way cooler.
  • 05-29-2020
    SourWortBrewer
    ISO: Large OG Moonlit Swamp Krampus Frameset
    I have a OG Krampus, bought as stock complete build, over the years every part except the crank arms has been replaced and now it is SS.

    So I am looking for a frame to put the stock parts back on.

    I search Pinkbike, Ebay, and craigslist just about every day...

    Anyone out there have connections or a frame collecting dust, looking for a Large.

    Thanks,
    Matt
  • 06-23-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    so i know this was discussed years ago as Boost came around, and I didn't pay attention to the talk b/c I didn't need to, but I am now looking to get a new cassette for my 2015 Surly Krampus.

    I used the search function, and as always, it led me down an hour long tour of a million posts with the words Surly; Krampus; cassette, but nothing to do with my question

    What is good to look for/compatible to this bike? I am curious to get a larger low gear cog, but don't know if I want to go all the way to 50 tooth...

    just looking for some direction here. Would also like to make this my first venture into replacing and dealing with the rear end of the drive train. Need to learn about that!
  • 06-23-2020
    33red
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    so i know this was discussed years ago as Boost came around, and I didn't pay attention to the talk b/c I didn't need to, but I am now looking to get a new cassette for my 2015 Surly Krampus.

    I used the search function, and as always, it led me down an hour long tour of a million posts with the words Surly; Krampus; cassette, but nothing to do with my question

    What is good to look for/compatible to this bike? I am curious to get a larger low gear cog, but don't know if I want to go all the way to 50 tooth...

    just looking for some direction here. Would also like to make this my first venture into replacing and dealing with the rear end of the drive train. Need to learn about that!

    You have some options.
    First if you mention what you have it will be easier to talk about your situation.
    -If you go to 46 instead of 50 an 11 speeds will do with a cassette of 11-46.
    -You must take into account if your smallest is 10 or 11 teeth.

    In my case my power is very low. I bought a bike 3 years ago with an 11 speeds SRAM, that was top of the line, the cassette is 10-42. I simply used it for a month to be sure than i replaced the front 32 with a 28 and BINGO that good bike for me became a GREAT bike for me. Many told me i would get used to it or to go for a 30.
    If you know what you want there are lots of options. My switch was easy and affordable. But for my fat i simply switched my 10 speeds cassette 11-36 for a 11-42 and again it is just what i enjoy and was also affordable.
  • 06-24-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    so i know this was discussed years ago as Boost came around, and I didn't pay attention to the talk b/c I didn't need to, but I am now looking to get a new cassette for my 2015 Surly Krampus.

    I used the search function, and as always, it led me down an hour long tour of a million posts with the words Surly; Krampus; cassette, but nothing to do with my question

    What is good to look for/compatible to this bike? I am curious to get a larger low gear cog, but don't know if I want to go all the way to 50 tooth...

    just looking for some direction here. Would also like to make this my first venture into replacing and dealing with the rear end of the drive train. Need to learn about that!

    I have an 11 speed Shimano cassette on my Krampus with 11-42. 30 tooth chain ring. I like that combo a lot. Works perfectly for me on my Krampus.
    Now... A few months ago, I built myself a new Ice Cream Truck. I figured since this is a fresh build and my last fat bike was 2x10, I'd go 12 speed this time. Hope had just gotten the green light to manufacture the Shimano Microspline driver so I bought one and got myself a 12 speed, 11-51 XT cassette. I immediately hated it. The gear steps on the bigger cogs sucked and I could never find my sweet spot. I learned that they also make an 11-45 or 46 cassette so I got that and now I'm much happier with it but now, that I have that cassette on there, I could have saved some money and gone with 11 speed. The 11 speed stuff on the Krampus shifts better than the 12 speed on the ICT too. Live and learn.
  • 06-24-2020
    33red
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I have an 11 speed Shimano cassette on my Krampus with 11-42. 30 tooth chain ring. I like that combo a lot. Works perfectly for me on my Krampus.
    Now... A few months ago, I built myself a new Ice Cream Truck. I figured since this is a fresh build and my last fat bike was 2x10, I'd go 12 speed this time. Hope had just gotten the green light to manufacture the Shimano Microspline driver so I bought one and got myself a 12 speed, 11-51 XT cassette. I immediately hated it. The gear steps on the bigger cogs sucked and I could never find my sweet spot. I learned that they also make an 11-45 or 46 cassette so I got that and now I'm much happier with it but now, that I have that cassette on there, I could have saved some money and gone with 11 speed. The 11 speed stuff on the Krampus shifts better than the 12 speed on the ICT too. Live and learn.

    Ya i am with you. I like proven old stuck. My fat is a 2017 20 speeds, just great.
  • 06-25-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 33red View Post
    You have some options.
    First if you mention what you have it will be easier to talk about your situation.
    -If you go to 46 instead of 50 an 11 speeds will do with a cassette of 11-46.
    -You must take into account if your smallest is 10 or 11 teeth.

    In my case my power is very low. I bought a bike 3 years ago with an 11 speeds SRAM, that was top of the line, the cassette is 10-42. I simply used it for a month to be sure than i replaced the front 32 with a 28 and BINGO that good bike for me became a GREAT bike for me. Many told me i would get used to it or to go for a 30.
    If you know what you want there are lots of options. My switch was easy and affordable. But for my fat i simply switched my 10 speeds cassette 11-36 for a 11-42 and again it is just what i enjoy and was also affordable.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I have an 11 speed Shimano cassette on my Krampus with 11-42. 30 tooth chain ring. I like that combo a lot. Works perfectly for me on my Krampus.
    Now... A few months ago, I built myself a new Ice Cream Truck. I figured since this is a fresh build and my last fat bike was 2x10, I'd go 12 speed this time. Hope had just gotten the green light to manufacture the Shimano Microspline driver so I bought one and got myself a 12 speed, 11-51 XT cassette. I immediately hated it. The gear steps on the bigger cogs sucked and I could never find my sweet spot. I learned that they also make an 11-45 or 46 cassette so I got that and now I'm much happier with it but now, that I have that cassette on there, I could have saved some money and gone with 11 speed. The 11 speed stuff on the Krampus shifts better than the 12 speed on the ICT too. Live and learn.

    awesome info guys!! So I won't have to get any "adapters" or anything?

    And my current chainring is a 28 so I am excited to see what the 11-42 does. I ride mostly in Ohio and Michigan, so we are talking short, punchy climbs, and rocky rooty terrain. I am really wanting some thigh that will handle that kind of riding.

    And going with what NYrr496 is saying, I wonder how the shifting to that huge cog is...seems like it would be clunky...but it seems pretty common any more.
  • 06-25-2020
    BansheeRune
    Massive increments between gears is hard on derailleurs, especially with hard shifts under severe load. Many folks are doing the wide range cassette thing and finding it works well for their uses.
    Some RD's do not like the large change at the low end but the high end is fairly traditional. One item to watch for is RD range of teeth it can handle. A short cage cannot handle as large a range as can a medium cage. A long cage is needed for the pizza pan cogs some cassettes are using these days.
  • 06-25-2020
    33red
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Massive increments between gears is hard on derailleurs, especially with hard shifts under severe load. Many folks are doing the wide range cassette thing and finding it works well for their uses.
    Some RD's do not like the large change at the low end but the high end is fairly traditional. One item to watch for is RD range of teeth it can handle. A short cage cannot handle as large a range as can a medium cage. A long cage is needed for the pizza pan cogs some cassettes are using these days.

    Any rider should avoid heavy load shifting.
    I mean if your sponsors do not supply you with goodies.
    I will not tell racers what to do.
  • 06-25-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 33red View Post
    Any rider should avoid heavy load shifting.
    I mean if your sponsors do not supply you with goodies.
    I will not tell racers what to do.

    Folks grunting a climb do a hard shift routinely. It is very hard on the equipment...
    I still have a refurbished XT in service 20 years following its overhaul. Not going to complain on that one! I dug up two from my bin and made one remanufactured RD. I might have Jinxed the damn thing 33red...
  • 06-25-2020
    33red
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Folks grunting a climb do a hard shift routinely. It is very hard on the equipment...
    I still have a refurbished XT in service 20 years following its overhaul. Not going to complain on that one! I dug up two from my bin and made one remanufactured RD. I might have Jinxed the damn thing 33red...

    I had a xtr 2000, just a great 27 speeds, never a problem.
    I sold it because of the 26 tires 2 years ago but i still use the saddle and post.
  • 06-27-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 33red View Post
    Any rider should avoid heavy load shifting.
    I mean if your sponsors do not supply you with goodies.
    I will not tell racers what to do.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Folks grunting a climb do a hard shift routinely. It is very hard on the equipment...
    I still have a refurbished XT in service 20 years following its overhaul. Not going to complain on that one! I dug up two from my bin and made one remanufactured RD. I might have Jinxed the damn thing 33red...

    yeah. i try to get in the optimum gear for the climb as I go into it. Even if I have to granny gear a bit leading up to it. And honestly, if it gets going too bad, i will stop and walk before I change with too much strain on the system. I hate the straining popping sound of of "under pressure" changes
  • 06-28-2020
    NYrr496
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    Attachment 1344843

    So last weekend my fifteen year old, who is about an inch and a half shorter than I am, asked to ride my Krampus on our trail ride. He needs an XL and currently rides a Large.
    He was like an unstoppable monster on that bike. I had a little trouble keeping up on my fattie.
  • 06-28-2020
    BansheeRune
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    yeah. i try to get in the optimum gear for the climb as I go into it. Even if I have to granny gear a bit leading up to it. And honestly, if it gets going too bad, i will stop and walk before I change with too much strain on the system. I hate the straining popping sound of of "under pressure" changes

    Prollem solved...

    Attachment 1344871
    One speed automatic with air conditioning, standard! :cool:
  • 06-28-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Prollem solved...

    Attachment 1344871
    One speed automatic with air conditioning, standard! :cool:

    Now THAT'S a frame color! Ka-Pow!
  • 06-28-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    Now THAT'S a frame color! Ka-Pow!

    Tennis Ball Yellow for the win!
  • 06-28-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Prollem solved...

    Attachment 1344871
    One speed automatic with air conditioning, standard! :cool:

    what kind of bike is that?
  • 06-28-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Attachment 1344843

    So last weekend my fifteen year old, who is about an inch and a half shorter than I am, asked to ride my Krampus on our trail ride. He needs an XL and currently rides a Large.
    He was like an unstoppable monster on that bike. I had a little trouble keeping up on my fattie.

    also looks like he knows the international teen age greeting sign!! The Tradition lives on...
  • 06-28-2020
    NYrr496
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    also looks like he knows the international teen age greeting sign!! The Tradition lives on...

    Yep. He found a bunch of pictures of me doing it and now every time I point a camera at him, that is what I get.
  • 06-28-2020
    tri-tele
    That is one of the best family traditions Iíve heard of! 😂
  • 06-28-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    Attachment 1344843

    So last weekend my fifteen year old, who is about an inch and a half shorter than I am, asked to ride my Krampus on our trail ride. He needs an XL and currently rides a Large.
    He was like an unstoppable monster on that bike. I had a little trouble keeping up on my fattie.

    Universal sign language! Good one NYrr...

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    what kind of bike is that?

    RSD MiddleChild. My pithy little dirt ripper! This frame is ideal as geared or one speed automatic! My preference at the moment is SS.
  • 07-02-2020
    fartymarty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Is the krampus more bike packing? Where the karate monkey is more trails?

    Like what is the express use for the Krampus ?

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    The Krampus is a trail smashing monster. I would take it over a KM anyday as it can take proper big tyres.
  • 07-02-2020
    fartymarty
    I had the same problem running a 10 speed 11-42 cassette (Zee wide range mech) with the Monkey Nuts installed (wheel set back in the dropouts). Without the monkey nuts (wheel slammed forward) the mech clears the cassette. I did manage to take a grinder to the mech which solved the problem but run the wheel slammed forward when i'm running gears (i'm usually on single speed).
  • 07-02-2020
    fartymarty
    Does anyone know what happened to the 20lb Krampus build? Did this happen? (apologies in advance if this has been posted as I haven't been on the thread in a while).
  • 07-02-2020
    DaddyFatStax
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    Does anyone know what happened to the 20lb Krampus build? Did this happen? (apologies in advance if this has been posted as I haven't been on the thread in a while).

    Is this the one? Surly Krampus Super Bike - Riding With Ron
  • 07-03-2020
    fartymarty
    It wasn't but have read that one before - thanks for the link it was good to re-read.

    IIRC there was someone on this thread talking of building a sub 20 or 22lb Krampus. There was a little discussion on whether it was possible with the general consensus being it should be given careful component picking.
  • 07-03-2020
    33red
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    It wasn't but have read that one before - thanks for the link it was good to re-read.

    IIRC there was someone on this thread talking of building a sub 20 or 22lb Krampus. There was a little discussion on whether it was possible with the general consensus being it should be given careful component picking.

    Dropping weight is a simple thing, but we have to know what we do not want.
    For me i want a 120mm suspension, at least 29x2.3 tires or 27.5x2.8 and a wide range transmission.
    Some are OK with single speed, no suspension...
    Some feel the need for a dropper, so my minimum is 21 pounds but i am a light rider for others 26 is their minimum
  • 07-03-2020
    CCSS
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    It wasn't but have read that one before - thanks for the link it was good to re-read.

    IIRC there was someone on this thread talking of building a sub 20 or 22lb Krampus. There was a little discussion on whether it was possible with the general consensus being it should be given careful component picking.

    Wow, mine was 25 lbs on the dot. Large gen 1 with a carver xc470 all carbon fork, Dt240s laced with supercomps to rabbit holes, tubeless knards, XTR cranks, king bb, king headset, XT brakes, Lynsey ti post, wtb devo saddle. 959 pedals. Heavy carver ti prybar and Thomson 80mm stem. Single speed. And two, boat anchor surly tugnuts.
  • 07-08-2020
    HollyBoni
    Hi!

    I've been thinking about building a Krampus. Currently I have a gravel bike that I ride on pavement, dirt roads, singletrack, gravel. It's great on pavement, it's great on super smooth dirt roads and gravel. I can ride stuff like rocky singletrack with it, and "surprise MTBs" (which is I think the cool thing to say in gravel circles) but it's torture. Even if a dirt road is a bit bumpy, the bike will rattle my brains out. I don't look forward to descending, because descending means holding on for dear life and praying that I won't dent my rims, because my 43mm tyres will bottom out at 30psi even if I hit a leaf wrong.

    My question is mainly about geo. The last time I had an MTB, it had 26" tyres, V brakes, single pivot rear suspension and a 9spd drivetrain. I've been following MTB since then, and seen all the fuss about progressive geo, long, slack, steep etc. but never tried a bike like that. TBH I don't even remember how my old MTB handled. I do remember that the bars felt too narrow. :)
    Where I live the terrain is super mellow. 70% of my riding consists of riding on logging roads, and dirt roads next to corn fields. Steep singletrack is very rare. It's usually gradual uphills and downhills with a few steep sections.
    From what I see the Krampus has quite conservative geo. Do you guys think I would benefit from new school geo, or would it be completely pointless for the type of riding I do? Does newschool geo work for long days out in the saddle? Are there any other rigid steel frames I should be looking at? I don't want to spend more than what the Krampus frameset costs. For a start i've been thinking about going rigid, but I want the option to run a sus fork.

    The build plan I threw together:
    Deore 1x12 drivetrain
    Hope Fortus 35 wheels
    Vittoria Barzo 2.6 tyres (dunno if I want to go plus, but I wouldn't mind a frame that can do it in case I want to try it in the future, hence the Krampus. I'm 185cm so i'd like to try big wheels)
    Sqlabs bars with lot's of backsweep, ESI silicone grips
    Some kind of cheap dropper
  • 07-08-2020
    GT87
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Hi!

    I've been thinking about building a Krampus. Currently I have a gravel bike that I ride on pavement, dirt roads, singletrack, gravel. It's great on pavement, it's great on super smooth dirt roads and gravel. I can ride stuff like rocky singletrack with it, and "surprise MTBs" (which is I think the cool thing to say in gravel circles) but it's torture. Even if a dirt road is a bit bumpy, the bike will rattle my brains out. I don't look forward to descending, because descending means holding on for dear life and praying that I won't dent my rims, because my 43mm tyres will bottom out at 30psi even if I hit a leaf wrong.

    My question is mainly about geo. The last time I had an MTB, it had 26" tyres, V brakes, single pivot rear suspension and a 9spd drivetrain. I've been following MTB since then, and seen all the fuss about progressive geo, long, slack, steep etc. but never tried a bike like that. TBH I don't even remember how my old MTB handled. I do remember that the bars felt too narrow. :)
    Where I live the terrain is super mellow. 70% of my riding consists of riding on logging roads, and dirt roads next to corn fields. Steep singletrack is very rare. It's usually gradual uphills and downhills with a few steep sections.
    From what I see the Krampus has quite conservative geo. Do you guys think I would benefit from new school geo, or would it be completely pointless for the type of riding I do? Does newschool geo work for long days out in the saddle? Are there any other rigid steel frames I should be looking at? I don't want to spend more than what the Krampus frameset costs. For a start i've been thinking about going rigid, but I want the option to run a sus fork.

    The build plan I threw together:
    Deore 1x12 drivetrain
    Hope Fortus 35 wheels
    Vittoria Barzo 2.6 tyres (dunno if I want to go plus, but I wouldn't mind a frame that can do it in case I want to try it in the future, hence the Krampus. I'm 185cm so i'd like to try big wheels)
    Sqlabs bars with lot's of backsweep, ESI silicone grips
    Some kind of cheap dropper

    I'm using a Krampus currently as a bikepacking bike for roughly 70-80% smooth/rough pavement and 20-30% gravel/double-track/singletrack. I don't think it would be advantageous to go any more progressive with the geo for the riding you are describing. It's relatively conservative by modern standards, but is very progressive compared to anything from the 26" v-brake era. I'm using vittoria mezcal 2.6 rear, and bomboloni 3.0 front on sun Mulefut i45 rims. Also using sq-labs sweep bars. I'd recommend considering the mezcal for the rear. It would be a good combo with a front 2.6 barzo, and will wear better and roll faster on pavement than a barzo rear. I've got 2000km on mine now and the center tread is only halfway worn.

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  • 07-08-2020
    vikb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Where I live the terrain is super mellow. 70% of my riding consists of riding on logging roads, and dirt roads next to corn fields. Steep singletrack is very rare. It's usually gradual uphills and downhills with a few steep sections.
    From what I see the Krampus has quite conservative geo. Do you guys think I would benefit from new school geo, or would it be completely pointless for the type of riding I do? Does newschool geo work for long days out in the saddle? Are there any other rigid steel frames I should be looking at? I don't want to spend more than what the Krampus frameset costs. For a start i've been thinking about going rigid, but I want the option to run a sus fork.

    I have an OG green Krampus and a year ago I built a custom bike based on the Krampus, but with aggressive modern geo. I'll ride BC black diamond trails on it, bikepack as well as cruise the bikepaths.

    The Krampus has conservative geo for what I would call a modern aggressive hardtail, but it's not conservative compared to your older 26er. Based on what you describe as your type of riding I wouldn't hesitate to get a rigid Krampus. :)

    I've ridden my OG Krampus on all sorts of terrain and it's fun bike for mellow terrain and covering distance. :cool:
  • 07-08-2020
    Muirenn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Hi!

    I've been thinking about building a Krampus. Currently I have a gravel bike that I ride on pavement, dirt roads, singletrack, gravel. It's great on pavement, it's great on super smooth dirt roads and gravel. I can ride stuff like rocky singletrack with it, and "surprise MTBs" (which is I think the cool thing to say in gravel circles) but it's torture. Even if a dirt road is a bit bumpy, the bike will rattle my brains out. I don't look forward to descending, because descending means holding on for dear life and praying that I won't dent my rims, because my 43mm tyres will bottom out at 30psi even if I hit a leaf wrong.

    My question is mainly about geo. The last time I had an MTB, it had 26" tyres, V brakes, single pivot rear suspension and a 9spd drivetrain. I've been following MTB since then, and seen all the fuss about progressive geo, long, slack, steep etc. but never tried a bike like that. TBH I don't even remember how my old MTB handled. I do remember that the bars felt too narrow. :)
    Where I live the terrain is super mellow. 70% of my riding consists of riding on logging roads, and dirt roads next to corn fields. Steep singletrack is very rare. It's usually gradual uphills and downhills with a few steep sections.
    From what I see the Krampus has quite conservative geo. Do you guys think I would benefit from new school geo, or would it be completely pointless for the type of riding I do? Does newschool geo work for long days out in the saddle? Are there any other rigid steel frames I should be looking at? I don't want to spend more than what the Krampus frameset costs. For a start i've been thinking about going rigid, but I want the option to run a sus fork.

    The build plan I threw together:
    Deore 1x12 drivetrain
    Hope Fortus 35 wheels
    Vittoria Barzo 2.6 tyres (dunno if I want to go plus, but I wouldn't mind a frame that can do it in case I want to try it in the future, hence the Krampus. I'm 185cm so i'd like to try big wheels)
    Sqlabs bars with lot's of backsweep, ESI silicone grips
    Some kind of cheap dropper

    The head tube angle on the Krampus is 69 degrees. Older mountain bikes were steeper, around 72 degrees and based on road geometry. The modern trail and downhill bikes might be 67, 65, or even something like 63 degrees to put the center of gravity closer to the rear wheel, and absorb more shock through the front on downhills. Taking that setup to the road can make the handling feel off.

    The Krampus is a conservative mix that shreds on the trail, but also works well on the road. My Karate Monkey laughs at gravel and spits it out. And my terrain is similar. Iím at sea level and tech terrain is limited to maritime forested dunes. Which is actually very good, but itís not easy to get to.

    My only caveat is to say you may be just as happy on a karate monkey, the only difference being slightly smaller plus wheels at 27.5, and the option to run regular 29Ē wheels. The massive 29+ wheels certainly are a blast, but are not as nimble as the smaller size. I had 29Ē 35 mm rims with 2.4Ē tires on mine until recently, and I upgraded to 27.5Ē 45 mm rims with 2.8Ē tires. I feel a lot more confident in tight spaces, now.
  • 07-08-2020
    GT87
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    The head tube angle in the Krampus is 69 degrees. Older mountain bikes were steeper, around 72 degrees and based on road geometry. The modern trail and downhill bikes might be 67, 65, or even something like 63 degrees to put the center of gravity closer to the rear wheel, and absorb more shock thought the front on downhills. The Krampus is a conservative mix that shreds on the trail, but also works well on the road. My Karate Monkey laughs at gravel and spits it out. And my terrain is similar. Iím at sea level and tech terrain is limited for maritime forested dunes. Which is actually very good, but itís not easy to get to. My only caveat is to say you may be just as happy in a karate monkey, the only difference being slightly smaller plus wheels at 27.5, and the option to run regular 29Ē wheels. The massive 29+ wheels certainly are a blast, but are not as nimble as the smaller size. I had 29Ē 35 mm rims with 2.4Ē tires on mine until recently, and I upgraded to 27.5Ē 45 mm rims with 2.8Ē tires. I feel a lot more confident in tight spaces, now.

    They're almost the same frame, with the main difference being that the Krampus has slightly longer stays and a lower bottom bracket. You can use a 29x2.4 on a Krampus and a 29x3 on a km, with the main difference being the bb height. For a mix of road, gravel, and relatively easy trails, I'll take the lower bb every time without hesitation.

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  • 07-08-2020
    Muirenn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GT87 View Post
    They're almost the same frame, with the main difference being that the Krampus has slightly longer stays and a lower bottom bracket. You can use a 29x2.4 on a Krampus and a 29x3 on a km, with the main difference being the bb height. For a mix of road, gravel, and relatively easy trails, I'll take the lower bb every time without hesitation.

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    I have heard that. But I had a Ď15 Krampus with those same 35 mm wheels, and I had to get a larger frame set and switched out for a monkey. The older Krampus (and KMís) had such high bottom brackets compared to my 18 KM it was bizarre. The (relatively) low bb on the KM was quite a relief. I have seen people putting 29+ on the bike, and wondered how well it worked in that regard.

    Oh, and like HollyB, I originally rode my CC over single track.
  • 07-08-2020
    GT87
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    I have heard that. But I had a Ď15 Krampus with those same 35 mm wheels, and I had to get a larger frame set and switched out for a monkey. The older Krampus (and KMís) had such high bottom brackets compared to my 18 KM it was bizarre. The (relatively) low bb on the KM was quite a relief. I have seen people putting 29+ on the bike, and wondered how well it worked in that regard.

    I'm comparing the most recent generation of km and Krampus. Km probably doesn't work that great with 29+, but I'm just making the point that there doesn't seem to be an issue with clearance, it's all about the bb. Main reason to go with the km would be if you want the shortest stays possible or you want to run 27" wheels for some reason.

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  • 07-08-2020
    GT87
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    I have heard that. But I had a Ď15 Krampus with those same 35 mm wheels, and I had to get a larger frame set and switched out for a monkey. The older Krampus (and KMís) had such high bottom brackets compared to my 18 KM it was bizarre. The (relatively) low bb on the KM was quite a relief. I have seen people putting 29+ on the bike, and wondered how well it worked in that regard.

    I'm comparing the most recent generation of km and Krampus. Km probably doesn't work that great with 29+, but I'm just making the point that there doesn't seem to be an issue with clearance, it's all about the bb. Main reason to go with the km would be if you want the shortest stays possible or you want to run 27" or 29x2.1ish" wheels for some reason. For a bikepacking bike with 29x2.4"+ tires Krampus all the way.

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  • 07-08-2020
    Muirenn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Hi!

    I've been thinking about building a Krampus. Currently I have a gravel bike that I ride on pavement, dirt roads, singletrack, gravel. It's great on pavement, it's great on super smooth dirt roads and gravel. I can ride stuff like rocky singletrack with it, and "surprise MTBs" (which is I think the cool thing to say in gravel circles) but it's torture. Even if a dirt road is a bit bumpy, the bike will rattle my brains out. I don't look forward to descending, because descending means holding on for dear life and praying that I won't dent my rims, because my 43mm tyres will bottom out at 30psi even if I hit a leaf wrong.

    My question is mainly about geo. The last time I had an MTB, it had 26" tyres, V brakes, single pivot rear suspension and a 9spd drivetrain. I've been following MTB since then, and seen all the fuss about progressive geo, long, slack, steep etc. but never tried a bike like that. TBH I don't even remember how my old MTB handled. I do remember that the bars felt too narrow. :)
    Where I live the terrain is super mellow. 70% of my riding consists of riding on logging roads, and dirt roads next to corn fields. Steep singletrack is very rare. It's usually gradual uphills and downhills with a few steep sections.
    From what I see the Krampus has quite conservative geo. Do you guys think I would benefit from new school geo, or would it be completely pointless for the type of riding I do? Does newschool geo work for long days out in the saddle? Are there any other rigid steel frames I should be looking at? I don't want to spend more than what the Krampus frameset costs. For a start i've been thinking about going rigid, but I want the option to run a sus fork.

    The build plan I threw together:
    Deore 1x12 drivetrain
    Hope Fortus 35 wheels
    Vittoria Barzo 2.6 tyres (dunno if I want to go plus, but I wouldn't mind a frame that can do it in case I want to try it in the future, hence the Krampus. I'm 185cm so i'd like to try big wheels)
    Sqlabs bars with lot's of backsweep, ESI silicone grips
    Some kind of cheap dropper

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GT87 View Post
    They're almost the same frame, with the main difference being that the Krampus has slightly longer stays and a lower bottom bracket. You can use a 29x2.4 on a Krampus and a 29x3 on a km, with the main difference being the bb height. For a mix of road, gravel, and relatively easy trails, I'll take the lower bb every time without hesitation.

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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GT87 View Post
    I'm comparing the most recent generation of km and Krampus. Km probably doesn't work that great with 29+, but I'm just making the point that there doesn't seem to be an issue with clearance, it's all about the bb. Main reason to go with the km would be if you want the shortest stays possible or you want to run 27" or 29x2.1ish" wheels for some reason. For a bikepacking bike with 29x2.4"+ tires Krampus all the way.

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    The two bikes are similar enough that it would be a waste to have both, I think. I actually want a Wednesday, but that will be later.

    My point on the 27.5+ is that Holly is doing essentially what I did, and I really do like that wheel size. It was just a thought.
  • 07-08-2020
    HollyBoni
    Thanks for the replies everyone!

    I've been looking at the KM as well. I like the colour options on the KM more, that's for sure. :) At this point i'm daydreaming tho, it's gonna be a while until I can build the bike.
    Do you guys know when the new models usually come out, in the fall?
  • 07-08-2020
    33red
    @ HollyBoni the geo is hard to discuss just like bike selection.
    My legs need a large and a small is great for my torso. The result is you might hate a bike i love because our bone structure might be very different so idealy you barrow a bike for a good 2 hours to give it a real test.
    - For a good do it all bike i suggest a 29x2.3 HT with 100-120mm.
    - An other i would consider for your use would be rigid but on 27.5x2.8
    All my bikes are confortable to ride 4 hours each day. I use a position with my head and shoulders quite high and i just put more weight on the handlebar when needed.
  • 07-08-2020
    vikb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Do you guys know when the new models usually come out, in the fall?

    Surly doesn't do model years. New bikes can come out anytime or not for a long while.
  • 07-08-2020
    fartymarty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Hi!

    I've been thinking about building a Krampus. Currently I have a gravel bike that I ride on pavement, dirt roads, singletrack, gravel. It's great on pavement, it's great on super smooth dirt roads and gravel. I can ride stuff like rocky singletrack with it, and "surprise MTBs" (which is I think the cool thing to say in gravel circles) but it's torture. Even if a dirt road is a bit bumpy, the bike will rattle my brains out. I don't look forward to descending, because descending means holding on for dear life and praying that I won't dent my rims, because my 43mm tyres will bottom out at 30psi even if I hit a leaf wrong.

    My question is mainly about geo. The last time I had an MTB, it had 26" tyres, V brakes, single pivot rear suspension and a 9spd drivetrain. I've been following MTB since then, and seen all the fuss about progressive geo, long, slack, steep etc. but never tried a bike like that. TBH I don't even remember how my old MTB handled. I do remember that the bars felt too narrow. :)
    Where I live the terrain is super mellow. 70% of my riding consists of riding on logging roads, and dirt roads next to corn fields. Steep singletrack is very rare. It's usually gradual uphills and downhills with a few steep sections.
    From what I see the Krampus has quite conservative geo. Do you guys think I would benefit from new school geo, or would it be completely pointless for the type of riding I do? Does newschool geo work for long days out in the saddle? Are there any other rigid steel frames I should be looking at? I don't want to spend more than what the Krampus frameset costs. For a start i've been thinking about going rigid, but I want the option to run a sus fork.

    The build plan I threw together:
    Deore 1x12 drivetrain
    Hope Fortus 35 wheels
    Vittoria Barzo 2.6 tyres (dunno if I want to go plus, but I wouldn't mind a frame that can do it in case I want to try it in the future, hence the Krampus. I'm 185cm so i'd like to try big wheels)
    Sqlabs bars with lot's of backsweep, ESI silicone grips
    Some kind of cheap dropper

    My 2 pence worth (for what it's worth)...

    I have an OG Krampus (Large) set up rigid single speed with a -2 degree headset and 2.3 - 2.5 tyres. My other bike is an XL Starling Murmur (515 reach, 64.5HA, 76 SA - fairly progressive geo full sus bike). I ride in Surrey, UK.

    Whilst my bikes are very different (apart from seated reach which is very similar) I can still ride the same trails on the Krampus that I ride on the Murmur albeit a lot slower.

    I would recommend a Krampus to anyone as they are an awesome and very versatile bike. If I had to give up one bike it wouldn't be the Krampus.
  • 07-08-2020
    HollyBoni
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    My 2 pence worth (for what it's worth)...

    I have an OG Krampus (Large) set up rigid single speed with a -2 degree headset and 2.3 - 2.5 tyres. My other bike is an XL Starling Murmur (515 reach, 64.5HA, 76 SA - fairly progressive geo full sus bike). I ride in Surrey, UK.

    Whilst my bikes are very different (apart from seated reach which is very similar) I can still ride the same trails on the Krampus that I ride on the Murmur albeit a lot slower.

    I would recommend a Krampus to anyone as they are an awesome and very versatile bike. If I had to give up one bike it wouldn't be the Krampus.

    Thanks. TBH I don't care that much about going fast, and if I go for ~4 hour ride, i'll descend for like 5 minutes. :) I just read all this stuff about new geo, and some people talk about it like you can't pedal uphill without a steep STA, and you can't go downhill without a slack HTA. I just don't know how much of it is true and how much of it is BS, since I have no personal experience, and I also think that my off road rides are much more mellow due to the terrain compared to how a lot of people ride. I wish I could ride gnarly singletrack for hours, but that doesn't really exist here.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Surly doesn't do model years. New bikes can come out anytime or not for a long while.

    Dang, didn't know that.
  • 07-08-2020
    Muirenn
    But I did hear the KMís were supposed to release new colors, soon. And itís been awhile for the Krampus. If you call Intergalactic Surly Headquarters, and ask, they will give you hints. Just tell them you are thinking of a Krampus, but donít like the colors, and wondered if any new would be coming out soon.
  • 07-08-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Thanks. TBH I don't care that much about going fast, and if I go for ~4 hour ride, i'll descend for like 5 minutes. :) I just read all this stuff about new geo, and some people talk about it like you can't pedal uphill without a steep STA, and you can't go downhill without a slack HTA. I just don't know how much of it is true and how much of it is BS, since I have no personal experience, and I also think that my off road rides are much more mellow due to the terrain compared to how a lot of people ride. I wish I could ride gnarly singletrack for hours, but that doesn't really exist here.



    Dang, didn't know that.

    The Krampus is pretty conservative geometry wise, but it works quite well. The STA is much less of an issue on a hardtail compared to a modern geo full suspension bike.

    It's a great XC bike you can ride all day. Really about the only thing I would want to change is the Reach on my bike. It's a little short compared to my more 'modern' progressive bikes. Other than that it's pretty awesome.
  • 07-08-2020
    HollyBoni
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    The Krampus is pretty conservative geometry wise, but it works quite well. The STA is much less of an issue on a hardtail compared to a modern geo full suspension bike.

    It's a great XC bike you can ride all day. Really about the only thing I would want to change is the Reach on my bike. It's a little short compared to my more 'modern' progressive bikes. Other than that it's pretty awesome.

    Thanks. After drop bar geo and toe overlap i'm sure any MTB is going to feel great. :lol:
  • 07-08-2020
    Muirenn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Thanks. After drop bar geo and toe overlap i'm sure any MTB is going to feel great. :lol:

    I have that issue, too.
  • 07-08-2020
    Muirenn
    And by the way, my KM is a single speed. Works well for the terrain.
  • 07-08-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I have an OG green Krampus and a year ago I built a custom bike based on the Krampus, but with aggressive modern geo. I'll ride BC black diamond trails on it, bikepack as well as cruise the bikepaths.

    The Krampus has conservative geo for what I would call a modern aggressive hardtail, but it's not conservative compared to your older 26er. Based on what you describe as your type of riding I wouldn't hesitate to get a rigid Krampus. :)

    I've ridden my OG Krampus on all sorts of terrain and it's fun bike for mellow terrain and covering distance. :cool:

    same here...it is my only mtb....Mean Green

    was gonna suggest possibly going to 40mm or 45mm rims for more versatility in tire choice...
  • 07-09-2020
    HollyBoni
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    same here...it is my only mtb....Mean Green

    was gonna suggest possibly going to 40mm or 45mm rims for more versatility in tire choice...

    Yeah i'm kinda lost when it comes to rim width and tyre size. My last MTB had 2.2-2.3 tyres on 17mm ID rims. :) I know that I would like to try something wider than 2.2-2.3s because why not. But based on no personal experience at all, i'm a bit "afraid" of going full plus for some reason. I wish I could demo stuff but I live in a not very mountain bike-y country (plain old XC bikes are the most popular here by far, and there is no one in the country that sells Surly stuff either).

    I haven't done a lot of research but i'm also having a bit of trouble finding wheelsets with rims wider than 30mm (suggestions welcome). I found the Hope Fortus 35 which looks good, and costs around Ä470 (I live in Europe). That's about as much as I would like to spend. I played around with wheel builds on a few sites, but if I use name brand hubs, the wheels always end up costing over ~Ä600 which is a bit too much for me. (There is no shop around me that I would trust to build a wheelset like this)
  • 07-09-2020
    33red
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Yeah i'm kinda lost when it comes to rim width and tyre size. My last MTB had 2.2-2.3 tyres on 17mm ID rims. :) I know that I would like to try something wider than 2.2-2.3s because why not. But based on no personal experience at all, i'm a bit "afraid" of going full plus for some reason. I wish I could demo stuff but I live in a not very mountain bike-y country (and plain old XC bikes are the most popular here by far. There is no one in the country that sells Surly stuff).

    I haven't done a lot of research but i'm also having a bit of trouble finding wheelsets with rims wider than 30mm (suggestions welcome). I found the Hope Fortus 35 which looks good, and costs around Ä470 (I live in Europe). That's about as much as I would like to spend. I played around with wheel builds on a few sites, but if I use name brand hubs, the wheels always end up costing over ~Ä600 which is a bit too much for me. (There is no shop around me that I would trust to build a wheelset like this)

    My solution is i prefer my 29x2.3 on tiny rims for dry summer rides and for a change or after rain(more grip) 27.5x2.8 on 35-40 rims. Just 2 bikes plus my fat for winter, snow/ice. Find a used one, you can resell with a small lost if you do not like it.
  • 07-09-2020
    HollyBoni
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 33red View Post
    Find a used one, you can resell with a small lost if you do not like it.

    I just checked the two biggest used bike sites in the country, and found 4 plus bikes for sale in total. I think it would be too risky. What really sell here are 3-4-5+ year old mid level XC hardtails (and road bikes) and new trends are slow to catch on.
  • 07-09-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Yeah i'm kinda lost when it comes to rim width and tyre size. My last MTB had 2.2-2.3 tyres on 17mm ID rims. :) I know that I would like to try something wider than 2.2-2.3s because why not. But based on no personal experience at all, i'm a bit "afraid" of going full plus for some reason. I wish I could demo stuff but I live in a not very mountain bike-y country (plain old XC bikes are the most popular here by far, and there is no one in the country that sells Surly stuff either).

    I haven't done a lot of research but i'm also having a bit of trouble finding wheelsets with rims wider than 30mm (suggestions welcome). I found the Hope Fortus 35 which looks good, and costs around Ä470 (I live in Europe). That's about as much as I would like to spend. I played around with wheel builds on a few sites, but if I use name brand hubs, the wheels always end up costing over ~Ä600 which is a bit too much for me. (There is no shop around me that I would trust to build a wheelset like this)

    At this point, learning the fine art of wheel building is in order. It is nothing more than a puzzle as opposed to rocket science.
    Rims that are silly narrow for the tire require too much pressure to keep the tire on the rim for my taste. Some folks love the knife edge it makes of tires.

    I have been on plus with 3.0's on i45's for quite some time and find it very enjoyable. On the trail with all those lovely banked turns, I have heard folks make comments about plus being slow and handling poorly as I passed em on a singlespeed plus. Laying that plusser down and railing the turns disproved the sentiment by that bloke.

    Rims, check some of the larger web stores both in the US and Europe. Their wide selection of rims can be an easy method to finding the rim you are looking for.
  • 07-09-2020
    HollyBoni
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    At this point, learning the fine art of wheel building is in order. It is nothing more than a puzzle as opposed to rocket science.
    Rims that are silly narrow for the tire require too much pressure to keep the tire on the rim for my taste. Some folks love the knife edge it makes of tires.

    I have been on plus with 3.0's on i45's for quite some time and find it very enjoyable. On the trail with all those lovely banked turns, I have heard folks make comments about plus being slow and handling poorly as I passed em on a singlespeed plus. Laying that plusser down and railing the turns disproved the sentiment by that bloke.

    Rims, check some of the larger web stores both in the US and Europe. Their wide selection of rims can be an easy method to finding the rim you are looking for.

    Thanks for the info. I worked as a bike mechanic for a year and built a few wheelsets. I just don't really want to invest in the tools right now to do it at home. I true my wheels with the zip tie method. :D
    I see rims and custom wheel options, but for some reason not a lot of complete factory wheelsets above 30mm.

    That's what i'm afraid about when it comes to plus as well. I just see all that rubber and rim, and my mind is telling me slow and sluggish, and i'm just not sure if it would be "too much" for how and where I plan to use the bike. Okay, the whole reason I want to build a steel hardtail/rigid instead of just buying a random alu complete XC hardtail is because I love "quirky" bikes, but I sort of want the right tool for the job. I really need to find a way to try a plus bike.
  • 07-09-2020
    DaddyFatStax
    Honestly Holly, The current gen Krampus sounds perfect for your situation in my mind, for reasons already mentioned.

    The lower bb is great for your described riding style.

    Running smaller-than-plus tires should not be an issue unless you really get into big rocks and stumps and have to pedal.

    Even then, adding a suspension fork would raise the bb a hair if you really needed it.

    It has braze-ons all over it to carry your lego sets and jolly ranchers.

    As always with Surly, it's super duper versatile and, well, "quirky".
  • 07-09-2020
    Muirenn
    I had 35 mm velocity blunt 29" wheels on my 2015 OG Krampus with a 2.4" tire on the front, and 2.25" in the rear. Worked really well. Didn't much like the idea of putting 3" tires on the rims, though I never tried it. It was a size small, and when I switched to a medium frame set, I moved all the parts to a KM since the wheels were a better fit for that bike. Had the rims been 40 mm, Iíd have gone with Krampus.

    My KM is my one bike for the price of two. Two and a half, now that I upgraded the wheels to 45 mm 27Ē scrapers. That wasnít cheap.
  • 07-09-2020
    loren90
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Thanks. TBH I don't care that much about going fast, and if I go for ~4 hour ride, i'll descend for like 5 minutes. :) I just read all this stuff about new geo, and some people talk about it like you can't pedal uphill without a steep STA, and you can't go downhill without a slack HTA. I just don't know how much of it is true and how much of it is BS, since I have no personal experience, and I also think that my off road rides are much more mellow due to the terrain compared to how a lot of people ride. I wish I could ride gnarly singletrack for hours, but that doesn't really exist here.



    Dang, didn't know that.


    The Krampus sounds like a perfect bike for you. FWIW, I bought a newer gen Krampus almost 2 years ago and have absolutely loved it - with a few caveats. I got it in the PNW and tore down just about everything with a suspension fork. Compared to my previous 27.5 hardtail, the Krampus rolled right over rocks, roots, wet mud in the coast range, dry sandy soils in Bend. I could easily keep up with enduro friends at places like Alsea and Black Rock (i.e. jumps), and point it confidently down some steep terrain locally in the coast mountains.

    Then I moved to Southern AZ last year. I added a dropper post and kept the suspension but was getting absolutely pounded on some of the rougher, steep terrain here (i.e. mostly rocks, lots of exposure, plus the heat!). Besides some mellow local singletrack and moderate parts of the AZT, I'd come back from rides with rattled bones and a bad headache. So, I sort of realized if I wanted to get into that style of riding, maybe a full suspension bike is needed, which I then realized, I'm not really interested in getting into! So I sold off the suspension fork, and switched the Krampus back into rigid mode, and I remembered why I loved this bike to begin with. It's sort of the perfect all around cruiser and XC bike. Super comfy geo, plus tires eat up washboard and moderate rocks, and the best part is it can pedal to and from dirt on a few miles of local bike path without feeling like suspension is sucking all your energy. What I enjoy most about biking is being able to pedal out the door whether a road ride, or crank out some miles to a trailhead, and having the ability to do this even with an hour or two after work. With covid (I've avoided any offroad/singletrack biking), I actually enjoy the krampus the most, compared to my road bike, for cruising a few miles around the neighborhood.

    Long story short - from what you're describing the krampus sounds like a great option. I'd eventually like to save for a lighter wheelset to run 2.5-2.6 tires for gravel and dirt road rides, and then keep the 3.0s for bikepacking and mellower singletrack and parts of the AZT. I have a road/gravel bike too, and I prefer the krampus here for any off-pavement excursion. So, I think a lot of advice really depends on where you live and the type of terrain you ride on a regular basis (minus exceptions for covid, of course)!
  • 07-09-2020
    HollyBoni
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by loren90 View Post
    The Krampus sounds like a perfect bike for you.

    Thanks for the response. All the replies have been overwhelmingly positive about the Krampus so i'm gonna go with it for sure.
    I won't begin the build for a while so i'll have time to agonize over the wheel and tyre setup. :)
  • 07-09-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Thanks for the info. I worked as a bike mechanic for a year and built a few wheelsets. I just don't really want to invest in the tools right now to do it at home. I true my wheels with the zip tie method. :D
    I see rims and custom wheel options, but for some reason not a lot of complete factory wheelsets above 30mm.

    That's what i'm afraid about when it comes to plus as well. I just see all that rubber and rim, and my mind is telling me slow and sluggish, and i'm just not sure if it would be "too much" for how and where I plan to use the bike. Okay, the whole reason I want to build a steel hardtail/rigid instead of just buying a random alu complete XC hardtail is because I love "quirky" bikes, but I sort of want the right tool for the job. I really need to find a way to try a plus bike.

    A bike with personality is awesome on every level!

    A plus is not necessarily slow and sluggish. Wrong tire choice can be a deal breaker for any bike. Just one of the many things that can make any tire size and rim width perform poorly. Frankly, I have run some naysayers into the ground with my RSD Middlechild singlespeed running on 27.5' x 3.0's. Yup, a one speed automatic! One bloke actually apologized after the ride and said he has new respect for plus. Will you get stronger, develop more stamina and endurance? You certainly will. Handling a plus does have differences in body english and such however, once this is sorted and developed, a plus can be a rock star that is very comfortable and can do everything a minus does.

    Quirky, not so much but pithy, indeed! Sunspot is a pithy little individual.
    On to the Krampus option... My buddy has been abusing the hell out of a first gen in Moonlit Swamp since it hit the market and still going strong. The beauty of a Krampus in the versatility. Wanna get rowdy? Do so... Wanna just have a trail ride and clear your melon? Do so. The list goes on since the Krampus is a very versatile bike and seems to be robust and durable.
  • 07-12-2020
    HollyBoni
    Slight sus fork confusion. Surly says the max fork length for the Krampus is 550mm, which is a 120mm 29+ according to them.
    I just checked a 2021 29" RS Revelation. The AC length is 531 for a 120mm, and RS says it can clear a 3.25 tyre. :confused:
    Is the info on the Surly website outdated or something?
  • 07-12-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Slight sus fork confusion. Surly says the max fork length for the Krampus is 550mm, which is a 120mm 29+ according to them.
    I just checked a 2021 29" RS Revelation. The AC length is 531 for a 120mm, and RS says it can clear a 3.25 tyre. :confused:
    Is the info on the Surly website outdated or something?

    When Surly wrote that, the only official 29+ fork was the Manitou Magnum. The 120mm Magnum has a 550mm A-C. Since then, RockShox has introduced 29+ specific forks, and then increased the clearance on their 29 "Boost" forks, giving us a lot more options. Just keep the A-C under 550mm and run what you want.

    I'm running a 120mm Magnum, and it's great, but if I could have bought a 120mm fork with ~20mm less static length when I built it, I would have done that. I feel the 550mm A-C makes the Krampus a bit floppy feeling. Also, I'd choose a shorter offset than the 51mm that the Magnum has. It seems like higher offsets were just a fad for a few years, and they're going back to 46mm or so.
  • 07-12-2020
    BansheeRune
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by HollyBoni View Post
    Slight sus fork confusion. Surly says the max fork length for the Krampus is 550mm, which is a 120mm 29+ according to them.
    I just checked a 2021 29" RS Revelation. The AC length is 531 for a 120mm, and RS says it can clear a 3.25 tyre. :confused:
    Is the info on the Surly website outdated or something?

    This is the point at which we have to read fork specs and choose from that information. A 120mm travel will have differing A/C from model to model as well as maker to maker. Unfortunately, there is no standard applied to travel and axle/crown length to simplify life.

    Surly states A/C 550 however, says nothing of travel range. For example, a Pike ultimate 150mm travel is 561mm A/C which is 6mm longer than Surly says. Since it is 6mm, that would be doable without issue and wouldn't affect geometry enough to be an issue.
  • 07-12-2020
    HollyBoni
    All clear now, thanks guys!
  • 07-16-2020
    gooseberry1
    Just finished the build of my TI version of a Krampus with carbon wheels. It rides so nice.



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  • 07-16-2020
    CCSS
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gooseberry1 View Post
    Just finished the build of my TI version of a Krampus with carbon wheels. It rides so nice.



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    That is sweet! Iím not familiar with speedtech. How do they handle frames? Custom offshore builds?
  • 07-16-2020
    gooseberry1
    Yes he designs what you want and then has it built but the wheels he builds himself.


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  • 07-16-2020
    gooseberry1
    This was four years of talking about it and I picked up my Krampus demo bike when he had his store front years ago.


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  • 08-03-2020
    loren90
    Another fork question --

    I'm in no rush but have been slowly looking at suspension forks again. Currently riding the newer gen krampus in rigid mode (mostly around the neighborhood during quarantine) and have been loving it, but hope to get on trails again if things ever improve.

    I had a 120mm RS Revelation but never really liked it (it always felt rough, too firm, and jarring no matter how much I adjusted it). A lack of a full lockout in combination with plus tires made biking to the trail feel like a slug. While the more slacked out geo was great for descending, I don't mind the more traditional geo in rigid mode for all around riding and climbing. Not to mention, while I'm not a weight weenie, a front susp fork plus dropper turned a mostly stock krampus into an absolute anchor.

    What are some good alternative models? Currently running 2.8" tires but would still want clearance for a 3" tire. Would a 100mm fork be a better option for all around riding? A little lighter than the revelation? I see a lot of used RS forks online, would an 'upgrade' to something like a Pike be a noticeable improvement from the rough revelation (although it still doesn't fully lockout?). Prefer 34mm+ stanchions. Fox? Manitou? Price range for me is in the lightly used market, unless a past season discount. Maybe I'm over thinking this.
  • 08-03-2020
    33red
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by loren90 View Post
    Another fork question --

    I'm in no rush but have been slowly looking at suspension forks again. Currently riding the newer gen krampus in rigid mode (mostly around the neighborhood during quarantine) and have been loving it, but hope to get on trails again if things ever improve.

    I had a 120mm RS Revelation but never really liked it (it always felt rough, too firm, and jarring no matter how much I adjusted it). A lack of a full lockout in combination with plus tires made biking to the trail feel like a slug. While the more slacked out geo was great for descending, I don't mind the more traditional geo in rigid mode for all around riding and climbing. Not to mention, while I'm not a weight weenie, a front susp fork plus dropper turned a mostly stock krampus into an absolute anchor.

    What are some good alternative models? Currently running 2.8" tires but would still want clearance for a 3" tire. Would a 100mm fork be a better option for all around riding? A little lighter than the revelation? I see a lot of used RS forks online, would an 'upgrade' to something like a Pike be a noticeable improvement from the rough revelation (although it still doesn't fully lockout?). Prefer 34mm+ stanchions. Fox? Manitou? Price range for me is in the lightly used market, unless a past season discount. Maybe I'm over thinking this.

    This might be just food for taught.
    I have a great RS on a bike i bought 3 years ago, it was probably a year old(no sticker). It was 100mm and OK but a year ago instead of just going for a maintenance at the same time i asked to go 120mm, not that much more expansive. It just suits my needs way better.
    I think about 50% of the improvement came from the extra 20mm but they removed the things usualy used by heavier riders. Since i bought it from a light rider like me i had no clue those were probably making the fork impossible for me to adjust properly. Ya i am no fork expert but with a pump i can play and find what i like for what i do.
  • 08-03-2020
    loren90
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 33red View Post
    This might be just food for taught.
    I have a great RS on a bike i bought 3 years ago, it was probably a year old(no sticker). It was 100mm and OK but a year ago instead of just going for a maintenance at the same time i asked to go 120mm, not that much more expansive. It just suits my needs way better.
    I think about 50% of the improvement came from the extra 20mm but they removed the things usually used by heavier riders. Since i bought it from a light rider like me i had no clue those were probably making the fork impossible for me to adjust properly. Ya i am no fork expert but with a pump i can play and find what i like for what i do.

    Hmm yeah will have to think about this. I sold the Revelation (I think it was model year 2019) a few months ago so will be on the market regardless. I've ridden a few fox forks in the past (on different bikes). I'm not picky and typically just mess around with the air pressure, set it, and then go way too long without servicing it. From the start the Revelation just always felt way too jarring, and never close to as smooth as previous older fox forks. The air tokens didn't seem to make a difference, and either too high of psi and it was too rough, or too low and too much fork sag when I was pedaling up a road. I'm not heavy and not a particularly aggressive rider either.
  • 08-03-2020
    33red
    My new bike is a Giant affordable with a 130mm Suntour 34.
    I also love that one (much less expensive).
    I told my weight 140 pounds and i never played with the adjusment, no need.
    A- i find my tires PSI
    B- i find fork pressure
    C- i fine tune with rebound
    Good luck shopping.
  • 08-10-2020
    SurlyJohn
    On my SS Krampus Iím running two different wheelsets - Duroc 50ís with 3Ē tires for 29+ and a set of Ibis i35 carbons for 29x2.6f/2.5r. Both are setup with different gears too.

    If Iíll be climbing a bunch in the CO high country, Iíll take the Ibis wheelset and call it a day. Theyíre lighter and feel like they accelerate better too.

    Durocís are a bit heavy but theyíve been good wheels for me. If I know the trail will be rough/rocky/rooty theyíre my go to wheels for a bit more cushion.

    ďIMHOĒ 29+ definitely has its place. Both can be fast. Iím NOT that fast, but if Iím exploring, the 29+ is like a Jeep that Iíll take anywhere. If I know where Iím going and the trails have tons of climbing or are flowing/tight/fast I tend to ride the 2.6/2.5ís and Iím a happy camper.

    Anyway, what Iím trying to write is - you might want to know your trails or your general riding style before choosing 29/29+. Or just get two wheelsets like I did...

    John
  • 08-11-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SurlyJohn View Post
    On my SS Krampus Iím running two different wheelsets - Duroc 50ís with 3Ē tires for 29+ and a set of Ibis i35 carbons for 29x2.6f/2.5r. Both are setup with different gears too.

    If Iíll be climbing a bunch in the CO high country, Iíll take the Ibis wheelset and call it a day. Theyíre lighter and feel like they accelerate better too.

    Durocís are a bit heavy but theyíve been good wheels for me. If I know the trail will be rough/rocky/rooty theyíre my go to wheels for a bit more cushion.

    ďIMHOĒ 29+ definitely has its place. Both can be fast. Iím NOT that fast, but if Iím exploring, the 29+ is like a Jeep that Iíll take anywhere. If I know where Iím going and the trails have tons of climbing or are flowing/tight/fast I tend to ride the 2.6/2.5ís and Iím a happy camper.

    Anyway, what Iím trying to write is - you might want to know your trails or your general riding style before choosing 29/29+. Or just get two wheelsets like I did...

    John

    glad to read this b/c I have been thinking of building a wheel set for the same use...keep my 50mm Rabbit Holes with Knards set up for gravel, snow/mud and touring, and build a slightly skinnier set for techy trail and singletrack...
  • 08-22-2020
    zachary_miller
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    Marzocchi Bomber Z2 clears 3" no problemo!
    Not completely set to one topic in the thread, but relevant for the general audience... After thrashing a 2014 Fox 34 with a dremmelled out bridge (to clear 2.8" tires barely) for the past few years on my OG bass boat green beauty - it met its maker... So in searching for a worthwhile low-maintenance fork (and avidly perusing the used market), I settled on a new Marzocchi Bomber Z2 130mm 44mm offset.

    It wasn't on my radar until my lbs dudes/ladies :thumbsup: brought the fork up and said it'd be a perfect fit for me, who never wants to fiddle with or "tune" fancy parts... I just wanna ride my Krampus on weird and wild Montana backwoods singletrack. It is simple, stout, buttery smooth (better than the old fox for sure)... and clears 29x3" no problemo!

    I'll try and get some pics up soon, but here are the rim/tire combos I've ridden in it so far:
    - Whisky Parts OEM 50mm alloy rim (bought off a Salsa Woodsmoke)
    - Terravail Kennebec 29x2.6" Tough (measured more like 2.75" on the wide rim and had clearance for days)
    - Bontrager Chupa TLR 29x3" (well stretched and fits with plenty of space)

    Here's a pic from a recent bikepacking trip on the a portion of the CDT (with the Teravails installed):



    Anywho... figured this group might be stoked to hear about another viable suspension fork option that doesn't brake the bank ($499) and ought to be as durable as the steel frames we cherish.
  • 08-22-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachary_miller View Post
    Not completely set to one topic in the thread, but relevant for the general audience... After thrashing a 2014 Fox 34 with a dremmelled out bridge (to clear 2.8" tires barely) for the past few years on my OG bass boat green beauty - it met its maker... So in searching for a worthwhile low-maintenance fork (and avidly perusing the used market), I settled on a new Marzocchi Bomber Z2 130mm 44mm offset.

    It wasn't on my radar until my lbs dudes/ladies [emoji106] brought the fork up and said it'd be a perfect fit for me, who never wants to fiddle with or "tune" fancy parts... I just wanna ride my Krampus on weird and wild Montana backwoods singletrack. It is simple, stout, buttery smooth (better than the old fox for sure)... and clears 29x3" no problemo!

    I'll try and get some pics up soon, but here are the rim/tire combos I've ridden in it so far:
    - Whisky Parts OEM 50mm alloy rim (bought off a Salsa Woodsmoke)
    - Terravail Kennebec 29x2.6" Tough (measured more like 2.75" on the wide rim and had clearance for days)
    - Bontrager Chupa TLR 29x3" (well stretched and fits with plenty of space)

    Here's a pic from a recent bikepacking trip on the a portion of the CDT (with the Teravails installed):



    Anywho... figured this group might be stoked to hear about another viable suspension fork option that doesn't brake the bank ($499) and ought to be as durable as the steel frames we cherish.

    Great info, thanks! I looked at the specs on that fork, and it didn't look good for 29x3". Glad to hear it is. I'd like to try a shorter offset fork. I think the 51mm offset that was all the rage a few years ago adds some nervousness to the handling.
  • 08-22-2020
    Funoutside
    I read somewhere that 51mm would make it a bit more nervous climber is that correct?
  • 08-23-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Funoutside View Post
    I read somewhere that 51mm would make it a bit more nervous climber is that correct?

    Possibly. It's hard to pin things on one dimension alone. When you go from the stock rigid fork to a longer suspension fork with more offset, you're changing the wheelbase, head angle, BB height, trail, etc. They all contribute to how the bike feels. I'd like to try a shorter offset, while keeping all the other variables the same.
  • 08-23-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Funoutside View Post
    I read somewhere that 51mm would make it a bit more nervous climber is that correct?

    No, it will help on steep and/or technical climbs, but that's a weird thing to be focused on.

    If you're putting a sus fork on a Krampus you want to stick with a 51 offset in 95% of the cases. The goal is to keep the stock Trail figure as close to original as possible.

    46mm offset may be favorable for certain terrain and riding styles but those would be mountainous areas where stability is valued over agility.

    Seems not too many people choose a Krampus for that type of location though.
  • 08-23-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    No, it will help on steep and/or technical climbs, but that's a weird thing to be focused on.

    If you're putting a sus fork on a Krampus you want to stick with a 51 offset in 95% of the cases. The goal is to keep the stock Trail figure as close to original as possible.

    46mm offset may be favorable for certain terrain and riding styles but those would be mountainous areas where stability is valued over agility.

    Seems not too many people choose a Krampus for that type of location though.

    I believe that was the thinking a few years ago when bikes started getting slacker, they went with more offset to preserve some agility. Sort of like when 29ers first started getting going, they made them with steep head angles in an attempt to make them feel more like 26" bikes. Now that people are getting used to slack bikes, they're returning to less fork offset in order to take full advantage of the stability.

    Just my $0.02...
  • 08-23-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    I believe that was the thinking a few years ago when bikes started getting slacker, they went with more offset to preserve some agility. Sort of like when 29ers first started getting going, they made them with steep head angles in an attempt to make them feel more like 26" bikes. Now that people are getting used to slack bikes, they're returning to less fork offset in order to take full advantage of the stability.

    Just my $0.02...

    First of all, the difference between a 51 and 46 offset is something like 6-7%, very minimal and many people might not even notice. It's not like it's night and day.

    Your logic applies to progressive bikes designed around slack HTA's with a long Reach and short fork offsets, which the Krampus is decidedly NOT.

    There is no right or wrong frankly, "taking full advantage" of the stability... at the expense of agility.

    Glass half full or half empty? Depends on how you look at it and what you want to get out of it.
  • 08-23-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    First of all, the difference between a 51 and 46 offset is something like 6-7%, very minimal and many people might not even notice. It's not like it's night and day.

    Your logic applies to progressive bikes designed around slack HTA's with a long Reach and short fork offsets, which the Krampus is decidedly NOT.

    There is no right or wrong frankly, "taking full advantage" of the stability... at the expense of agility.

    Glass half full or half empty? Depends on how you look at it and what you want to get out of it.

    By that argument, a 65 degree HTA is less than 6% different than a stock Krampus, and I think we can agree that's a big difference. Anyway, it's complicated with a lot of variables, the largest of which are the rider, their expectations, and the trails they ride.

    I think we're in agreement, one rider's "nervous" may be another's "agile", "stable" to one could be "unresponsive" to another.
  • 08-23-2020
    BansheeRune
    At the end of discussion, the remaining value that is really being noticed as a change happens to be caster angle.
    Caster will be different with fork length changes, say a 525mm AC vs. a 560mm AC, both with a 51mm rake.
    Sure, it will affect BB height and STA, go figure!

    As CJ said, saddle choice, caster angle and tire pressure are similar in subjectivity!
  • 08-23-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    By that argument, a 65 degree HTA is less than 6% different than a stock Krampus, and I think we can agree that's a big difference. Anyway, it's complicated with a lot of variables, the largest of which are the rider, their expectations, and the trails they ride.

    I was talking about the perceived difference in feel from the riders perspective, not an actual measured percentage.

    Quote:

    I think we're in agreement, one rider's "nervous" may be another's "agile", "stable" to one could be "unresponsive" to another.
    Agreed
  • 08-24-2020
    zachary_miller
    Fork offset?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    Possibly. It's hard to pin things on one dimension alone. When you go from the stock rigid fork to a longer suspension fork with more offset, you're changing the wheelbase, head angle, BB height, trail, etc. They all contribute to how the bike feels. I'd like to try a shorter offset, while keeping all the other variables the same.

    I waffled about which offset to order but went with the shorter as the 51mm was sold out and I missed riding too much to wait another couple weeks. I was concerned I'd noticed slowed down steering (on an arguably already slow 29+ platform with a longer than recommended AC suspension fork)... Turns out, I don't notice a difference at all. I'm sure there are super legit folks out there that would be able to pick apart the intricacies of fork offset effects on handling, but, like you said, "it's hard to pin things down to one dimension alone."

    Worth mentioning too is that the OG Krampus rigid fork has a 48mm offset - sitting squarely in the middle of the 44mm/51mm offset options for suspension forks. I can't imagine most of the 29+ riders are too focused on subtlety with how diverse our handling characteristics can be simply based on rim width/tire size/tire brand.

    Toss it on there and giver' hell!
  • 08-29-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    ok, so I am just going to ask this and know that I am going to get yelled at for not searching...but I DID search and it was a frustrating "round robin" of topics, so here goes:

    is there a dropper post that fits in the OG Green Krampus' seat post? I am entertaining the thought of using a dropper, but had heard that they don't work in the OG b/c of the bend in the seatpost
  • 08-29-2020
    cjbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    ok, so I am just going to ask this and know that I am going to get yelled at for not searching...but I DID search and it was a frustrating "round robin" of topics, so here goes:

    is there a dropper post that fits in the OG Green Krampus' seat post? I am entertaining the thought of using a dropper, but had heard that they don't work in the OG b/c of the bend in the seatpost

    I have a BrandX Ascend. 27.2mm diameter and external cable connection. The same post is sold by PNW and TransX.

    https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/.../rp-prod159176
  • 08-29-2020
    str8edgMTBMXer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    I have a BrandX Ascend. 27.2mm diameter and external cable connection. The same post is sold by PNW and TransX.

    https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/.../rp-prod159176

    sweet...thanks for the info!! Will be looking into getting this
  • 11-13-2020
    DaddyFatStax
    Well fellas, they dunnit again. Couple new colors and build kits. I'd post a link but Surly's site is blocked at work (but this site isn't, go figure. I'll take that trade off).
    I thing we all know where to find the info..

    I guess they spec it with a suspension fork now, but with.....only.....2.6 tires?! WTF?!

    If your gonna do that, Surly, than give us the shorter chainstays. With 2.8 McFly's in the back of mine, there is a lot of wasted space even with the axle slammed forward.

    Anyway, I do like the new colors, especially the black/red.
  • 11-13-2020
    nitrousjunky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaddyFatStax View Post
    I guess they spec it with a suspension fork now, but with.....only.....2.6 tires?! WTF?!

    That's just one of the complete options, silver complete comes rigid with real width tires.
  • 11-13-2020
    *OneSpeed*
    Yeah, I'm a little bummed they didn't update the geo, guess I'll just hang on to mine for one more season...