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    SB95c wheels

    Im having real issues with the Mavic Crossmax ST wheels I have on my SB95c, there is a play in the hub that is noticeable when I'm riding and also when I hold the frame and wobble the wheel laterally. I have the MP3 policy so I can send them back to have Mavic look at the them however this will be the second time they've gone back and to be honest I'm beginning to wonder whether I chose the wrong wheels?

    So my question is, what wheels should I buy?

    i have used Hope hubs more often than not over the years, with very few problems, Hope are based within 2 hours of me and their customer service is great.

    i want a tubeless rim, the one thing that sold me on the Crossmax (apart from the mp3 warranty deal) was the true tubeless rims used on the wheels that are not available through Mavics 29" range.

    I had some stans Crests on my last 26" bike however I cracked two rims and found them too light for my own 225lb frame. I was thinking about the Flow EX this time round?

    What do you guys think? What are you running?

    Yes I'd love a set of CK and Enve wheels but in all honesty I can't see that happening as I'm trying to get away with a hard tail/CX bike purchase at the moment too!

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    INDUSTRY NINE :: torch wheels

    I was looking at a set of their Enduro wheels for my SC Bronson C build (but ended up buying a complete bike).
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    The only thing that puts me off the I9's is I'm in the UK and their backup over here probably isn't that great compared to how it is in the US. I could be wrong though

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    Prestige Cycles is the UK distributor of I9. A small company, but if you phone them, you usually get straight through to the owner, Stephen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recipher View Post
    Prestige Cycles is the UK distributor of I9. A small company, but if you phone them, you usually get straight through to the owner, Stephen.
    That's cool thank you, I might give them a call tomorrow to discuss, I believe we have a common interest in Dekerfs so there'll be plenty to talk about.

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    I9 torch , I really can not believe how incredibly stiff and light they are and they stay together !

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    j look into light bike carbon rimson hope 2 evo hubs...

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    Nothing wrong with Hopes and Flow EX. Servicing this wheel set should you ever need to is so simple. Too me, the reliability, ease of service and cost are pluses for that combo. You already have wheel issues with the Mavic's and your understanbly bummed.

    I'm riding DTSwiss 240 on Stan's Arch EX. The weight, speed, ease of tubeless set up, serviceability, etc. were my primary drivers for this choice. I weigh 165.

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    I\m definitely going to look into these...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeti575inCA View Post
    j look into light bike carbon rimson hope 2 evo hubs...
    I have been trying to remember the name of this company for ages, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rianclay View Post
    Nothing wrong with Hopes and Flow EX. Servicing this wheel set should you ever need to is so simple. Too me, the reliability, ease of service and cost are pluses for that combo. You already have wheel issues with the Mavic's and your understanbly bummed.

    I'm riding DTSwiss 240 on Stan's Arch EX. The weight, speed, ease of tubeless set up, serviceability, etc. were my primary drivers for this choice. I weigh 165.

    It's the servicing and backup that I am most concerned with, Mavic have a good setup with the MP3 policy however using Hope hubs in the UK is always easy and simple if anything should go wrong.

    I am 225lbs, I'm not sure if the Arch EX would be strong enough, what do you think?

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    I think I'm going to take a gamble and go with these rims built up to 430g a piece to account for my weight and riding style:

    Wider carbon mountain 29er rims clincher(tubeless-compatible) Light-Bicycle

    With Hope Pro II Evo Hubs using DT Comp Spokes and nipples in silver.

    They offer a UD Glossy finish that should match the Yeti really nicely.

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    Let us know how those carbon rims work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    I think I'm going to take a gamble and go with these rims built up to 430g a piece to account for my weight and riding style:

    Wider carbon mountain 29er rims clincher(tubeless-compatible) Light-Bicycle

    With Hope Pro II Evo Hubs using DT Comp Spokes and nipples in silver.

    They offer a UD Glossy finish that should match the Yeti really nicely.
    These do look really good , can't wait to see them on your bike .

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    Is UD stronger than a weave?

    Nice choice btw!
    I'd hit it, but I bruise like a peach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rianclay View Post
    Let us know how those carbon rims work out.
    You'll all be the first to know if they don't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr View Post
    These do look really good , can't wait to see them on your bike .
    Thanks, me neither!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpnic View Post
    Is UD stronger than a weave?

    Nice choice btw!
    Thanks, as far as I'm aware the UD is just a finish, similar to the carbon on most modern bikes, the 3k and 12k finishes have a very visible weave a bit like old Easton Monkeylite bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Thanks, as far as I'm aware the UD is just a finish, similar to the carbon on most modern bikes, the 3k and 12k finishes have a very visible weave a bit like old Easton Monkeylite bars.
    True

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    Just J,
    Sorry to hear you have some play in your back wheel but I think you might be jumping the gun looking for new wheels already. The Mavic Crossmax ST uses cartridge bearings and it sounds like you just need to adjust the preload to take up that play. When you got the wheels they should have come with a couple plastic wrenches that would make this job super easy. If it seems confusing take it to your local Mavic dealer, have them put a little Loc-tite on the threads and tighten everything up. This is a really simple fix so I wouldn't sweat it just yet! Let me know if I could help out with more info!

    Jeff

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffLenosky View Post
    Just J,
    Sorry to hear you have some play in your back wheel but I think you might be jumping the gun looking for new wheels already. The Mavic Crossmax ST uses cartridge bearings and it sounds like you just need to adjust the preload to take up that play. When you got the wheels they should have come with a couple plastic wrenches that would make this job super easy. If it seems confusing take it to your local Mavic dealer, have them put a little Loc-tite on the threads and tighten everything up. This is a really simple fix so I wouldn't sweat it just yet! Let me know if I could help out with more info!

    Jeff
    THE Jeff Lenosky?! Wow, hi and thanks for your reply! I'm a big fan and the fact you an other athletes use Mavic played a factor in me choosing them for my bike.

    Having given it a few days I definitely think you're right, the wheels are excellent, very stiff, have the perfect tubeless system, nice and light and all in all have been great so I really shouldn't write them off yet.

    I've just this afternoon dropped the wheels off to my LBS for a trip back to Mavic to see what they can do, I used the supplied wrench and unfortunately there is only so far you can adjust but I am sure the Mavic service centre will sort them out for me.

    So before I go ordering some Chinese carbon I'll let everyone know the outcome, I'm sure it'll be a good one...

    Thanks again Jeff, much appreciated. I look forward to your next Instagram update!

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    Well the outcome of this couldn't have gone any better for me, I took my wheels to the LBS on Monday and received a brand new set this afternoon! I'm a happy customer and so glad I went for the Mavic MP3 policy!

    Thanks again Jeff and everyone else who commented on this thread.

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    However...

    60 miles later and the new rear wheel is out of true and the bearings need adjusting mid ride. Think it's time to thnk again now as much as it grieves me to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    However...

    60 miles later and the new rear wheel is out of true and the bearings need adjusting mid ride. Think it's time to thnk again now as much as it grieves me to say.
    Oh no , I feel for you , nothing I hate more than wheel trouble I am really hard on my wheels and I have sure had my share , I hope you get it sorted out so you can keep on riding .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr View Post
    Oh no , I feel for you , nothing I hate more than wheel trouble I am really hard on my wheels and I have sure had my share , I hope you get it sorted out so you can keep on riding .
    Thank you kelstr, this is it, I'm not usually that hard on my wheels really, I mean, I am a big guy but I'm actually lighter at the moment than I have been for a while but maybe I'm riding harder than usual? I don't know. Maybe I should just get some Flow rims built onto some nice hubs and have done with it? I'll see what happens when my local shop trues my crossmax up first...

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    Just J, when I got really regular on cycling my component wear out rate went up a bunch. Until I spent on really good parts. Maybe it is your turn.

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    SB95c wheels

    Bear I was reading your blog the other day and saw you are using Flows, how have you found them?

    I'd consider the Crossmax ST as really good parts to be fair. Yup I put the mileage on them but these new replacements have only got roughly 90 miles on them and the rear rim is shot and the front looks to be following too.

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    I've found the Flow to be really good for me, I actually have them on all my bikes on almost all the wheels.

    - 29er hard-tail (Niner MCR-9, Reba XX fork), 2.5 years and running, Flow front & rear, 32h, Chris King hubs (12 yr old hubs), one minor tuneup for the rear. I only get about 1000 miles or so a year on the bike though

    - 29er FS (Yeti SB95), i actually have two wheelsets, one with the stock DT350 hubs (32h) that I laced onto white Flow rims right after the stock build (DT XR400 - XC oriented rim, not super sturdy) started to need a lot of maintenance. Then I found myself able to put together a second King hub based wheelset from a 5 yr old front hub and a 3rd hand rear hub that I had re-shelled by King to match the front. I have about 1100 miles on the DT/Flow wheelset without significant issue or maintenance, and about 1900 miles on the King/Flow wheelset. I've had to do more maint on the rear King/Flow but that's because I didn't end up using my first choice of spokes I think. I just didn't build the wheel as well. The result is every four or months or so I need to spend five minutes truing the rear wheel a little. Not that I need to take it off the bike to do it, not that big a deal.

    On the Yeti, the wheels get treated pretty harsh. I've spent too much time on my DH bike not to attack some hills at speed, chunk and drops and jumps and stuff.

    The current Flow EX rims are probably a bit more durable, but I haven't tried them myself yet.

    Before my Yeti, my FS bike was a 6/7" travel 26er (Titus Quasi-Moto, 6" rear, 7" Marz fork) and the wheels were King/Flow for the best part of 6 years without qualm. Maybe two rear rim replacements, but never the front.

    I plan on rebuilding my Yeti's rear wheel with DT Alpine III spokes this winter and a fresh rim. Carbon if I can afford it, Flow EX otherwise. I may or may not rebuild the front to match. Matching is nice. Rebuilding a wheel that is literally in perfect shape is hard to stomach though.

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    I had a ridiculous amount of trouble with the stock DT Swiss Xr400s that came on the SB 95.
    Then, I had a good wheel builder lace the stock DT hubs to Flow EX rims... they have been absolutely durable and a huge improvement. Very happy with them with about 2k miles of rough riding.

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    I have a set of ck flow 36 spoke on my sb95 which have served me wheel. I way 210 and regularly put them through a thrashing. They have only needed a minor true every 4 months or so. I have another set that is the newer flow ex model mounted to my SS ht and its pretty much the same story.

    I wouldn't hesitate using the flow ex with a hope hub. Sounds like they are local and if you need parts they are close.

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    Yeah Hope are pretty close to me and when I have had any issues they've been great at sorting them out for me, I think this would likely be the best bet. I am going to give the Mavic's one last shot though, the shop is going to true them up for me today, hopefully they'll hold up otherwise I'll go with plan b...

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    My only complaint with the Hope hubs is I can't get a non-SS hub with the high-engagement drive mech.

    I was going to put a Hope Pro2 Evo on my '95 but decided the lower engagement was going to drive me nuts (the DT 36-point is what I feel is my effective minimum), and then I found the used CK rear and got happy.

    So I put the Pro2 on my DH bike where pedal engagement isn't an issue.

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    Hope's are great, and a great company to deal with. I did break some of the springs (with the pawls), but that's a cheap fix. My King's keep going and going... The engagement is also super nice (although not a game changer for everyday riding). Buy nice or buy twice....a cliche, but I find myself following that motto more and more

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    I've had many Hope hubs since starting riding back in the 90's, rarely had a problem with a hub, in fact only once. I'm pretty sure the new Pro II Evo's engage faster nowadays however, I had a SS Orange setup with one of their SS hubs 18 months back and I was hard pushed to tell which hub engaged more quickly compared to my Hope Hoop wheels I had on a Santa Cruz Nickel at the time.

    So...

    I took my rear wheel to the bike shop this afternoon having taken my tubeless Schwalbe Rocket Ron off it. I got to the shop and proceeded to show the owner the wobbly wheel... What's this? The wheel wasn't half as wobbly as it was when I last looked, bearing in mind this was when riding the bike last night... They took the wheel into the work shop and put it in the truing stand, only to find 2mm of out of trueness! So it turns out the problem is with my tyres, the rear one can't have been seated right, I've had this problem with Rocket Rons in the past, the first time you fit them and seal them they're fine, however once you take them off it's hard to get them seated perfectly again, hence the wobble.

    Yes I am a complete idiot! LOL

    So I apologised to the shop but they were cool as even 2mm is 2mm too much, so they tensioned two spokes and the wheel seems perfect just in time for me to stick some winter tyres on the bike...

    I'm hoping they hold up and that the hubs keep tightened there's no reason they won't i guess, but I'll definitely hold on to them for now and let you know of any problems.

    The Flow EX/Hope Combo would be my potential replacement, I've given the Chinese carbon rims some more thought and I don't think it would be a great idea given my size and the fact it would be a chew on dealing with any replacements needed etc...

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