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    ... and if we just ... Mba

    just got my sept. mba in - anyone else see it yet? Yeti 575 Carbon test baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanerPVT
    just got my sept. mba in - anyone else see it yet? Yeti 575 Carbon test baby!
    Hah, last issue the editor was leaning on one in his column picture. I sent him an e-mail and asked "when's da review." Must have been in the works. don't have mine yet, will get off here and look at the review, see if I made a good choice. But then have you ever seen them review a bike they said really stunk up the place? Maybe the Fisher Possum review.
    What, me hurry?

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    ya he was leaning on the white yeti in the august editor column pick!!! they gave it rave reviews, but like Big Mac said they always do. Doesn't matter to me, i don't need MBA to tell me my bike kicks arss, i already know that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tejas Mtb
    ya he was leaning on the white yeti in the august editor column pick!!! they gave it rave reviews, but like Big Mac said they always do. Doesn't matter to me, i don't need MBA to tell me my bike kicks arss, i already know that!
    I would have said that until last month's Fat Possum review, which was downright negative. Usually you can read between the lines to figure out the weaknesses of a reviewed bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tejas Mtb
    ya he was leaning on the white yeti in the august editor column pick!!! they gave it rave reviews, but like Big Mac said they always do. Doesn't matter to me, i don't need MBA to tell me my bike kicks arss, i already know that!
    Wonder why he didn't pick a real Yeti with the team colors? (Like my bike...)
    What, me hurry?

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    How did it compare with ML?

    May was last time I visited the US and had a chance to look at MBA where there was a review for Titus ML.
    It will be nice if the two (ML and 575) can be scanned and posted or if sombody can summarize for similar categories. Originally I wanted the ML but never had the chance to demo. Last week I met a guy with ML on the trail and could not resist asking him to swap bikes for a while. He was not interested but was kind enough to give his bike for a very short spin. I must say that I liked the geometry and it felt lighter despite similar specs
    (TALAS, cranks, wheels...). I know however that ML has issues with climbing
    and front end is somehow light making the bike traction on steep climbs tricky (was surprised to learn that from Titus board). Sure the 575 climbs much better than my steel hardtail on any technical trail.
    My bike suspension is tunned by now and I feel more comfortable capable and confident. I only miss my HT when hammering out of the saddle and when climbing rocks/steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    It will be nice if the two (ML and 575) can be scanned and posted or if sombody can summarize for similar categories.
    I have the rags at home so I might be able to post them later.

    Cheers,
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    Here's the 575 review. I will post the motolite one later. You can click on the photos if you want a bigger version (once you are on flickr, choose "All sizes" above the image to see the bigger versions).

    Cheers,
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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200258167/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/75/200258167_26d4338064.jpg" width="386" height="500" alt="MBA review 575-p60" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200258188/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/52/200258188_66bbad7d2c_b.jpg" width="791" height="1024" alt="MBA review 575-p61" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200258152/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/67/200258152_db85e8954d_b.jpg" width="791" height="1024" alt="MBA review 575-p62" /></a>
    Last edited by crisillo; 07-28-2006 at 07:44 AM.

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    Hey Cris
    Where is the "all sizes" botton?. Can not find anywhere above the picture.
    Thanks and Pura vida
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    Whew- that got my eyes awake. I managed to read it all though. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    Hey Cris
    Where is the "all sizes" botton?. Can not find anywhere above the picture.
    Thanks and Pura vida
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    Hi GB!

    there is toolbar on the top part on the image on my flickr page (after you click the image in this thread)

    EDIT: Flyer, I changed the images above to a larger version to make it easier to read, you can still get an even bigger version if you go to the flickr page.

    Cheers,
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    Hi again!

    I have scanned the Moto lite review so you guys can compare.

    Cheers,
    Cris

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200320439/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/64/200320439_eafe283e8f_b.jpg" width="758" height="1024" alt="mba review motolite 1" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200320220/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/72/200320220_ac0b9e1075_b.jpg" width="731" height="1024" alt="mba review motolite 2" /></a>

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    i tested both the ML and the 575 and i hated, absolutely HATED the way the ML climbed.

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    yup, that's what I found between the lines on the Titus board.
    I have no personall experience climbing the ML though.
    GB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jim Mac
    Hah, last issue the editor was leaning on one in his column picture. I sent him an e-mail and asked "when's da review." Must have been in the works. don't have mine yet, will get off here and look at the review, see if I made a good choice. But then have you ever seen them review a bike they said really stunk up the place? Maybe the Fisher Possum review.
    Thank me, thank me very much... Oh, I mean COOL. Check out the email exchanges below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Email to MBA Editor
    On 2/23/06 7:02 AM, "Mike" <Mike@intervoice.com> wrote:


    I am a subscriber to your magazine and like the reviews and articles. I am, however, somewhat disappointed that you donít seem to cover much on the Yeti scene. The AS-R is a super race bike and I only see an occasional picture. The 575 is a bike that I hope to be my next bike but you havenít done a review since 2004 and I donít think I have seen one issue with that bike on display in some form or fashion. What gives? This is supposed to be an awesome do it all bike. Do you plan on doing another review of the 575 any time soon? They just came out with the 575 frame that has the carbon fiber stays and I would love to see a review of this bike.

    Thanks

    Michael
    Quote Originally Posted by Editor MBA reply to me
    Hey Michael:

    No plans on doing a 575 test right now. I get the feeling that Yeti doesnít feel Mountain Bike Action is an important magazine so it is seldom that we can get a bike from them. Iíll keep trying, but when there are so many companies who want to work with us, it doesnít make sense to waste time trying to work with someone who doesnít want to work with us.

    C-ya,
    Jim "Jimmy Mac" McIlvain
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    Then I emailed what I had gotten from the editor at MBA to Yeti....

    Quote Originally Posted by My email to Yeti
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    From: Mike[mailto:Mike@intervoice.com]
    Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:50 AM
    To: yetimkt@yeticycles.com
    Subject: Yeti Reviews


    To Whom It May Concern:

    I was disappointed that I hardly see any Yeti reviews in the mountain bike magazines and in fact hardly see any info whatsoever besides the occasional race pictures where someone is on an AS-R or something.

    So I decided to email the editor at Mountain Bike Action magazine and see what was up. Below is the response I got and wondered if you could comment on it.

    MBA EMAIL INFO:

    Hey Michael:

    No plans on doing a 575 test right now. I get the feeling that Yeti doesnít feel Mountain Bike Action is an important magazine so it is seldom that we can get a bike from them. Iíll keep trying, but when there are so many companies who want to work with us, it doesnít make sense to waste time trying to work with someone who doesnít want to work with us.

    C-ya,
    Jim "Jimmy Mac" McIlvain
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    (661) 367-2145 (direct)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris at Yeti
    Mike-

    Thanks for the heads-up on MBA. I'll give Jimmy Mac a ring and see what's up. There are a bunch of reviews on our site from all over the world, you can check those out. Also, we are heading down to Grapevine, TX (Mad Duck Sports) with our demo rig in a few weeks. Call the boyz (Clarence or Gary) at Mad Duck and we'll make sure you get to ride one in person.

    Cheers,
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Thank me, thank me very much... Oh, I mean COOL. Check out the email exchanges below:

    Then I emailed what I had gotten from the editor at MBA to Yeti....

    Nicely done!

    Seems like you got us a review... well done! ;-)

    That review was one of the final "pushes" that got me into ordering my 575....

    It's all your fault!!!

    -Cris

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    yup, that's what I found between the lines on the Titus board.
    I have no personall experience climbing the ML though.
    GB
    Wow, look at the price differnce between the Titus and the Yeti. I thnk the Yeti has to be one of the best values out there.
    What, me hurry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    May was last time I visited the US and had a chance to look at MBA where there was a review for Titus ML.
    It will be nice if the two (ML and 575) can be scanned and posted or if sombody can summarize for similar categories. Originally I wanted the ML but never had the chance to demo. Last week I met a guy with ML on the trail and could not resist asking him to swap bikes for a while. He was not interested but was kind enough to give his bike for a very short spin. I must say that I liked the geometry and it felt lighter despite similar specs
    (TALAS, cranks, wheels...). I know however that ML has issues with climbing
    and front end is somehow light making the bike traction on steep climbs tricky (was surprised to learn that from Titus board). Sure the 575 climbs much better than my steel hardtail on any technical trail.
    My bike suspension is tunned by now and I feel more comfortable capable and confident. I only miss my HT when hammering out of the saddle and when climbing rocks/steps.
    My gosh, didn't I beat this horse to death already?

    I was not impressed with the ML at all. Demo ML - My saga continues

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    My gosh, didn't I beat this horse to death already?

    I was not impressed with the ML at all. Demo ML - My saga continues
    I know you did but:
    1. These things may be subjective depending on many variables including terrain riding style/prefference and setup. It took me 1 month to fine tune my Yeti. A week ago a was still somewhat disapointed.
    2. I read the Titus board here and there and find these guys extremely passionate about their MLs. Some of them seems to me quite "professional" when it comes to biking. Some spend tones of cash on bling frames such as Exogrid which is so nice you should live it at living room. I don't believe they are all wrong (sure there is no truth here). As I know from other areas, some will swear by the SRAM where others preffer Shimano and same goes for forks.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    I know you did but:
    1. These things may be subjective depending on many variables including terrain riding style/prefference and setup. It took me 1 month to fine tune my Yeti. A week ago a was still somewhat disapointed.
    2. I read the Titus board here and there and find these guys extremely passionate about their MLs. Some of them seems to me quite "professional" when it comes to biking. Some spend tones of cash on bling frames such as Exogrid which is so nice you should live it at living room. I don't believe they are all wrong (sure there is no truth here). As I know from other areas, some will swear by the SRAM where others preffer Shimano and same goes for forks.

    Cheers
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    Exactly! If there was one perfect bike, there would be no need for all the others. Everyone has their own taste, likes and dislikes. You have to figure out what works for you.

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    Whatever...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    yup, that's what I found between the lines on the Titus board.
    I have no personall experience climbing the ML though.
    GB
    That's completely untrue.

    99% of the posts I've read about the MotoLite say it climbs like a goat. Check out the product review board .

    here's a quote from just the latest one:

    "The 2007 RP23 and Talas RLC ain't too shabby either, they both transform it into an ultra capable climbing machine that can really open it up on the rough and rocky descents."

    Plus, how could a bike voted "Trail Bike of the Year" by Mountain Bike and Bicycling Magazine 2 years running not climb well...

    Set-up is everything; too short a stem, or a set-back post when you don't need one can throw everything off and make any bike seem lame. Iviguy even admited he thought the shop over-infalted the shock on his test-ride.

    No doubt, the ML has a stiffer ride. It's like a BMW in that it has more road feel. But, it's been designed that way to be a great, snappy pedaler both in and out of the saddle. With my last bike I could not stand while climbing without the bike squating and consequently spinning my back tire, with the ML I stand a lot, and it's great having that option.

    Here's mine and I can tell you it climbs great and descends great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    That's completely untrue.

    99% of the posts I've read about the MotoLite say it climbs like a goat. Check out the product review board .

    here's a quote from just the latest one:

    "The 2007 RP23 and Talas RLC ain't too shabby either, they both transform it into an ultra capable climbing machine that can really open it up on the rough and rocky descents."

    Plus, how could a bike voted "Trail Bike of the Year" by Mountain Bike and Bicycling Magazine 2 years running not climb well...

    Set-up is everything; too short a stem, or a set-back post when you don't need one can throw everything off and make any bike seem lame. Iviguy even admited he thought the shop over-infalted the shock on his test-ride.

    No doubt, the ML has a stiffer ride. It's like a BMW in that it has more road feel. But, it's been designed that way to be a great, snappy pedaler both in and out of the saddle. With my last bike I could not stand while climbing without the bike squating and consequently spinning my back tire, with the ML I stand a lot, and it's great having that option.

    Here's mine and I can tell you it climbs great and descends great.
    This is the Yeti board. Keep your filthy Titus bikes out of here...

    Yes, you are correct, I do believe that they probably had too much air in the shock. BUT - recall that wasn't the only thing that ticked me off about that bike.

    1. The paint chipped off and got scratched when anything touched it....
    2. The component choice vs. price was not inspiring whatsoever.
    3. Only 2 colors and those are non-inspiring as well.

    I really wanted to like the ML but in the end, I just wasn't that impressed. It wasn't the bike for me. It is a nice bike, just not what I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    This is the Yeti board. Keep your filthy Titus bikes out of here...

    Yes, you are correct, I do believe that they probably had too much air in the shock. BUT - recall that wasn't the only thing that ticked me off about that bike.

    1. The paint chipped off and got scratched when anything touched it....
    2. The component choice vs. price was not inspiring whatsoever.
    3. Only 2 colors and those are non-inspiring as well.

    I really wanted to like the ML but in the end, I just wasn't that impressed. It wasn't the bike for me. It is a nice bike, just not what I was looking for.
    1. Dude! that is an outright lie, I remember, the paint chipped when you dropped a crescent wrench on it . Your opinions from this point forward are tainted!

    It is true some 2006 models had a bad batch of pc jobs. As you can see, the powder coat on mine is holding up extremely well after 14 months of use riding an average of 2 - 3x a week.

    2. You're right, the Yeti has a marginally better build for the money. But if you're like me, and only want a boutique frame so you can build your own bike the way you want it, then they are the same price.

    3. not worth a comment

    Obviously, the MotoLite was not for you. But, in my opinion you had your mind made up on the 575 before your test ride.

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    I've always wondered why Titusi and Homers cruise the Yeti boards... It's not like I cruise the Turner, Ellsworth and Titus boards... Must be because I have no envy and no need to justify to others why I dig my 575 by putting down the Motolite or 5-Spot or Epiphany or (insert trailbike name here)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    1. Dude! that is an outright lie, I remember, the paint chipped when you dropped a crescent wrench on it . Your opinions from this point forward are tainted!
    It is true some 2006 models had a bad batch of pc jobs. As you can see, the powder coat on mine is holding up extremely well after 14 months of use riding an average of 2 - 3x a week.
    You are only recalling part of the story. The crescent dropped from about 6" chipped the paint. The chain coming off put a nice gash in the paint on the chain stay. And having it touch my friends bike on the trip rubbed a dime size space completely off down to the metal. His bike apparently didn't have any paint rub and my previous bike didn't either. This paint was the suck, bigtime.

    2. You're right, the Yeti has a marginally better build for the money. But if you're like me, and only want a boutique frame so you can build your own bike the way you want it, then they are the same price.
    The Yeti build is outstanding. You seem to follow my threads well, so you must know what I bought and what I paid... It was a very good deal and if you consider that the frame along costs $1400 then I only paid $750 more for all the components and upgrades. Heck the fork alone is $400....

    3. not worth a comment
    My point was, why would Titus build a nice frame and then only offer 2 color choices? And then those colors were both along the same spectrum as well. Seemed kind of whacked to me...

    Obviously, the MotoLite was not for you. But, in my opinion you had your mind made up on the 575 before your test ride.
    Partially true. I had wanted the 575 from the first time I saw one and knew nothing about it. But my draw to the ML was mainly the more XCish build and the ability to change it to a 4" racer. Man, I liked the thought of that feature a lot. But the parts buildout stunk and that paint sent me over the edge. In the end, the 575 was the perfect bike for me. I am very pleased with it.

    I think the ML is probably a great bike too. I didn't have a happy experience but then again, the very first 575 I rode wasn't that great either... go figure.

    You have a nice build BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    I've always wondered why Titusi and Homers cruise the Yeti boards... It's not like I cruise the Turner, Ellsworth and Titus boards... Must be because I have no envy and no need to justify to others why I dig my 575 by putting down the Motolite or 5-Spot or Epiphany or (insert trailbike name here)....
    Every once in a while I type "motolite" in the search function, and for some reason the only time I see people bad-mouthing my bike is on the Yeti forum. I love my bike, and believe me have no envy -- none at all. It just annoys me to see people talk trash about something I like, especially if it's untrue.

    I'm glad you dig your bike, and really like your attitude about not putting down other peoples bikes - keep it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    I've always wondered why Titusi and Homers cruise the Yeti boards... It's not like I cruise the Turner, Ellsworth and Titus boards... Must be because I have no envy and no need to justify to others why I dig my 575 by putting down the Motolite or 5-Spot or Epiphany or (insert trailbike name here)....
    Lol.. I cruise a lot of boards. I know to don't go to a Cannondale forum and post 'Prophet suxs!', at least not unless I have some sounds reasons to do it.

    I think it's funny why some attact and defend strongly their bikes when compared to others. I really like my ML, but I think if I had other bikes from different brands I would probably like them as well. Maybe I'm not to stocked on the 575, but it's mostly because:

    1. I haven't ridden one.

    2. For a weird reason, I feel it is not strong enough. Now, this is something completely unfounded, since I don't know much about the bike, and I have really only heard good things on the bike. I don't think I would read this a lot if it was 'fragile' or something.

    Now, one thing I think that's particular when comparing bikes at this level (above $2,000) is that sometimes we're talking about price. I think bikes at this level 200 or 300 bucks are not a deciding factor if you like the frames. What I mean is, that if I had to choose 'Boutique Brand A' bike for 3,000 vs a 'Boutique Brand B' for 3,500, and I would like the 'B' bike better, I wouldn't stop for 500 bucks. Maybe when it's a 500 to 1,000 bike deal. To be honest, I'm not fightet with my bank account, but for this quality of bikes there comes more what you like than just price buying. This would be a moot point if I really liked both bikes the same, I would choose the 3,000.

    pd by the way, I like how the ML climbs It's rider the problem when I don't clear some climbs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    That's completely untrue.

    99% of the posts I've read about the MotoLite say it climbs like a goat. Check out the product review board .

    here's a quote from just the latest one:

    "The 2007 RP23 and Talas RLC ain't too shabby either, they both transform it into an ultra capable climbing machine that can really open it up on the rough and rocky descents."

    Plus, how could a bike voted "Trail Bike of the Year" by Mountain Bike and Bicycling Magazine 2 years running not climb well...

    Set-up is everything; too short a stem, or a set-back post when you don't need one can throw everything off and make any bike seem lame. Iviguy even admited he thought the shop over-infalted the shock on his test-ride.

    No doubt, the ML has a stiffer ride. It's like a BMW in that it has more road feel. But, it's been designed that way to be a great, snappy pedaler both in and out of the saddle. With my last bike I could not stand while climbing without the bike squating and consequently spinning my back tire, with the ML I stand a lot, and it's great having that option.

    Here's mine and I can tell you it climbs great and descends great.
    Hey Dulyber
    As I stated above I had no personal experience with ML climbing issues. I was stating a thread from your board about 2-3 weeks ago. I like technical climbing very much and usually try to climb everything I descend. My riding partners usualy tell me that I take the trail the wrong direction. I am very happy to say that the 575 is way better than my Bontrager on these climbs. No, I can not climb even half the climb you copied from the Turner board with the great climb photo when you dealt with the HL that was eliminated on some Turners.
    BTW you have a beautifull bike and I am sure it rides like a dearm.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    May was last time I visited the US and had a chance to look at MBA where there was a review for Titus ML.
    It will be nice if the two (ML and 575) can be scanned and posted or if sombody can summarize for similar categories. Originally I wanted the ML but never had the chance to demo. Last week I met a guy with ML on the trail and could not resist asking him to swap bikes for a while. He was not interested but was kind enough to give his bike for a very short spin. I must say that I liked the geometry and it felt lighter despite similar specs
    (TALAS, cranks, wheels...). I know however that ML has issues with climbing
    and front end is somehow light making the bike traction on steep climbs tricky (was surprised to learn that from Titus board). Sure the 575 climbs much better than my steel hardtail on any technical trail.
    My bike suspension is tunned by now and I feel more comfortable capable and confident. I only miss my HT when hammering out of the saddle and when climbing rocks/steps.
    I have a Switchblade, which shares a lot of the geometry to the ML.... the front end is light on climbs if you happen to use it at 130 plus mm of travel (think about more than 500mm a2c).

    Do I need more than 120mm when climbing? I don't think so and the issue is solved with some kind of travel adjustment or a lock down device (ETA). I guess I can count with my hands the forks nowadays that have more than 130mm travel and do not have anything to make the fork shorter... so I would call that a non issue.

    The issue was brought up by FM, who runs an AM SL (precisely a for kthat has not climbing aids) and he runs it at 140mm travel. He says he got used to it.

    I think that as much as people wants to deadmatch the ML and the 575, both are very different bikes, being the 575 a bit more for open tracks and the ML more tweaked for twisty stuff.

    At least my Switchblade is more focused on singletrack and yet a terrific trailbike. I'd get a 575 if my terrain would be a bit more open or if I would be more into hucking.

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    Look at the frame prices, looks pretty much the same to me.

    As to total bike cost, the parts spec on the motolite is totally B*tchin and pimpin as compared to the the buildup on the Yeti.

    Lets not get into a price comparison as its pretty much a wash, especially when the review is about the carbon 575 and there is no way the list is 1395 on that bike.

    As too ride and climbing ability of either bike, I agree to each their own. There is no one perfect trailbike. If there was we'd all be riding the same thing. Some like it "stiff", some like it "soft". Some like to shotgun thru their travel, some like to sip and not blow thru to the bottom.

    Yeti vs Motolite----> Pick your Poison, Ice Cream, Favorite Beer, whatever, just pick the one that turns your crank.

    Oh yeah, I agree with dulybr, Iviguy, you pretty much were going to buy a 575 long before you tested it or the motolite as your posts read, so I take your view of the motolite with a grain of salt. Paint issues, thats pretty easy to solve just pick a frame the way I do(LOL).
    But you did get a skukim deal from Will, and it shows pricing is not based on the spec from the factory, but who will sell it to you the cheapest Cheers and no offense Iviguy, just pointing out that its who you buy from that counts when it comes to pricing, not really what comes out via MSRP and OEM.

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    Frame prices are pretty close but here's the dealmaker or breaker for me. I hear how well the 575 climbs all the time- even from LBS guys who ride/race other bikes. Of course, I owned one too and I know this but I have heard many bring up the climbing issue of the ML as a negative. I'm not sure if it's the suspension/geometry or what but anyway, that would be a bummer if the bike sucked at climbing. Given those choices, the 575 takes it every time though I have hear that the ML is very pedal-efficient as well. I would love to ride one and check it out but riders here don't go well past the mass-marketed brands. I mean, I have had a couple of guys ask me if Yeti and Ventana are real brands and who makes them!!

    Since the ML comes up so often, can someone do a back-to-back comparo? I think the ride of the 5 Spot compares more to the 575 and then the X-5 as well. The ML doesn't seem to be in exactly the same league ride-wise but I'm biased so that may or may not be true.

    I did the 575 versus X-5 comparo so now someone needs to do the 5 Spot or ML versus 575 comparo.

    Now I'm not throwing in the Made in America or Handmade issue here. That would not be entirely fair to this discussion.

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    Funny!

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Frame prices are pretty close but here's the dealmaker or breaker for me. I hear how well the 575 climbs all the time- even from LBS guys who ride/race other bikes. Of course, I owned one too and I know this but I have heard many bring up the climbing issue of the ML as a negative. I'm not sure if it's the suspension/geometry or what but anyway, that would be a bummer if the bike sucked at climbing. Given those choices, the 575 takes it every time though I have hear that the ML is very pedal-efficient as well. I would love to ride one and check it out but riders here don't go well past the mass-marketed brands. I mean, I have had a couple of guys ask me if Yeti and Ventana are real brands and who makes them!!

    Since the ML comes up so often, can someone do a back-to-back comparo? I think the ride of the 5 Spot compares more to the 575 and then the X-5 as well. The ML doesn't seem to be in exactly the same league ride-wise but I'm biased so that may or may not be true.

    I did the 575 versus X-5 comparo so now someone needs to do the 5 Spot or ML versus 575 comparo.

    Now I'm not throwing in the Made in America or Handmade issue here. That would not be entirely fair to this discussion.


    I've never considered the 575 to even come close to the ML in build qulity, longevity or ride... So go figure, I mean the 575 did get bike of the year 2 years running in two diffrent mags... Oh waite! no it didn't.


    That was the Moto-Lite...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I've never considered the 575 to even come close to the ML in build qulity, longevity or ride... So go figure, I mean the 575 did get bike of the year 2 years running in two diffrent mags... Oh waite! no it didn't.


    That was the Moto-Lite...
    Right... that's all that matters... the awards...., by the way i just decided to get a 575 over a Motolite, and that's all that it is.. a matter of taste ... maybe in a year or 2, I will give Titus a try.. No bike is the "holy grail" so.. just enjoy riding them, and be open enough to see other options when the next shopping spree comes around.

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    Oh no! The Titus Nazis are invading another board! Perish the thought of someone speaking their mind about riding a Titus!

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    It's all trade offs and prefferences

    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I've never considered the 575 to even come close to the ML in build qulity, longevity or ride... So go figure, I mean the 575 did get bike of the year 2 years running in two diffrent mags... Oh waite! no it didn't.


    That was the Moto-Lite...
    When it comes to choosing your bike out off the better bikes out there, I respect other people's opinion and experience and also the magazines, but I always preffer to try myself.
    Two years ago I was contemplating a new and first FS ride. Many were talking about the wonders of Turner Burner that was selling for ~900$ at Supergo and I was tempted but wanted to check myself. I found an LBS at Santa Cruz that had a medium built and went there asap. I hated the ride no matter how helpfull the guys were and all their efforts to fine tune it. Yes, the welds were awsom but I don't care so much about the beauty of welds if I don't like the ride. It may be a great bike but it was not for me and I dropped Turner from my list since that day. Same went with the Blur that was selling like crazy back than. It took me weeks to find one bike that put a smile on my face Racer X. I demoed it at SF golden gate park (not real trail but much better than a parking lot), loved it and ordered. While I was considering the build, I realized I should test ride my Bontrager on the same trails. After trying one after the other I realized that the RX was better in some areas where my HT was better in others. I cancelled the frame order and since most of the trails I was riding at the bay area were smooth, had no regrets.
    The terrain I ride lately is much more technical but it is also different in not having tight switchbacks where the Telephatic handling of my Bontrager could not be matched (RX was close though). I found that I can trade off some handling towards better technical climbing and smoother down hills. 575 does it very well but it is not better than my Bontrager everywhere. I think all high end "one bike do it all"s out there are some good compromise. I am very happy with my choise and believe you should be happy with yours.
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    Well, each person develops a riding style that fits a bike better too. For example, to me the Racer-X is a very good XC racer. It's stiff and climbs very well. However, when I ride the ASR-SL, it just feels like a better bike. It climbs better and is more plush while accelerating unbelievabley fast. It reacts quicker than my Flux too- how it manages that, I don't know. It also fits me better and feels more centered. However, someone may prefer the feel of the Racer-X over the others. I think Titus makes solid bikes but in my head, the X-5 and Spot are far superior to the ML in every way that matter to me and the ASR-SL to the Racer X- ride-wise for sure and quality wise in Ventana's case- not even close. I have not ridden the new El Fuego though I have great expectations there. I'm almost scared to ride a racer Sherwood thinks is a rocket. I may not be worthy.

    Titus will simply have to take the 4th, 5th, or 6th place on the Podium of boutique bikes and now with Chris gone, I think they will start slipping a bit and maybe sparring even more with Ellsworth, Foes, and Intense. BTW, Ellsworth is starting to get some nice, new, bikes out there.

    But hey, being in the Top Seven or so in this company still makes Titus an amazing bike

    Oh, I almost forgot, the 575 is just a better bike. The ML needs to learn how to climb from this master to come close

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Well, each person develops a riding style that fits a bike better too. For example, to me the Racer-X is a very good XC racer. It's stiff and climbs very well. However, when I ride the ASR-SL, it just feels like a better bike. It climbs better and is more plush while accelerating unbelievabley fast. It reacts quicker than my Flux too-
    A firend of mine agrees with you... he has the ASR-SL, a Spider and a Flux.

    He loves the ASR-SL. In his words, the only he'd buy again... he's a racer-boy. However, he'd like to try out a R-X.

    I think comparing the ASR-SL to the Flux is not even fair... very different bikes despite both having 4" of travel. The SL is a race bike, the Flux is more a trailbike. Not to wonder it would feel slow against the SL. You'd have to put the SL against a Nitrous.
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    It is real hard to know what is 100% right and wrong. Th ecompanies bike you have you are not very often going to slag off.... I have had some very bling bikes for sure, I ensure I spoil myself on bikes, believe me I do... I had a wonderful Ellsworth, and F me, it could climb like abilly goat on steroids................. I wanted to try something different, I searched and searched left right and centre. What took me to the ML, was th efact that it was more or less the only bike I could not find crap reviews about it. I thought first, come on there must be crap reviews... But really, found not in depth reviews stating poor stuff about the bike. By that rational I found it difficult reading that some one on this thread said it climbed like crap. That is a crock of poop. Not getting at you, sure it may have not climbed as well as waht you had etc, but in all hinesty and real reality, the ML does not climb like crap... And hey, I amnot just defending Titus... Take it for wha tits worth, am not at all trying to flame the Yeti board. NEVER................... Dam I love the Yeti DH bike though, that is the ducks nuts..Very indeed
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    You know, I wonder what would happen if this thread was run parallel on the Titus board.

    So the summation of the stuff here is that Titus makes good bikes. Yeti makes good bikes. They are lateral picks for those looking. The difference is which one works better for a particular rider.

    WOW! Enlightening! We needed the Titus board to come over and make this point clear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    You know, I wonder what would happen if this thread was run parallel on the Titus board.

    So the summation of the stuff here is that Titus makes good bikes. Yeti makes good bikes. They are lateral picks for those looking. The difference is which one works better for a particular rider.

    WOW! Enlightening! We needed the Titus board to come over and make this point clear!
    Dude, you are biting well today, all I am saying is I will not ever except that a ML climbs like crap, just like if someone said that about a Turner, have riddent hem enough to knwo that is bollocks, absolute bollocks, that is what they are so popular for
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    575 Vs SB/ML part XVXXXXXI

    At the risk of jumping in when the dead horse is long gone, and all that is left is a red stain where the carcass was..
    I'm coming off a euphoric weekend of riding my new 575 up in Sun Valley on its maiden outing. Finished the build Thursday at 10:00PM, and was on the trails (that I'd never seen before) early Saturday. The bike is brilliant; it doesn't whisper "go faster", it screams it in your ear, Sam Kinison style, the entire freakin ride. I'd been riding a Switchblade for three seasons, and spent a LOT of time trying to get it right for me. Never quite found nirvana. Can't fault the bike, or the quality, etc. And it did climb VERY well with a Talas on the front. Couldn't keep the front end down without it though, so I think the 575 is a tiny bit better in that regard, even though I'm running a shorter stem on the 575. For my style of riding, sleeve length, I.Q., whatever, the Yeti just works better. I think it is the subtle differences in geometry/ETT and rear suspension design. No disrespect to the Titus, as it is a nice machine, and never gave me a lick of trouble, but the 575 is the better choice for me. I'd fully agree with those that have suggested you have to ride them both, properly setup for you, on the trails you are going to ride. I was able to back to back my SB and then the 575 with similar builds to really make an educated choice. BTW, the Yeti guys at the demo in Park City did a GREAT job of setting up the demo machine to match my current bike, so I'd really endorse hitting one of their demo days.

    Besides, you can't get a Titus in Team Turquoise, so what good is it? ;->

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    Actually, I like it when owners of otherbikes show up and provide good comparison info here or on other boards.

    Regarding my ASR-SL versus Flux comment, I was simply making a point. I mean, the Flux is a really nimble and fast bike and I really liked my first ride. It's just that the ASR-SL is one accomplished racer but it's feel and geometry still make it a great trailbike. The Nitrous would be a more fair comparison but with it's weight limit and inability to be a practical trail bike, it can't play the racer and trailbike game that the ASR-SL plays at such a high level. It's a different overlap for the Flux and I like it a lot but still have a few rides to provide a good comparo or review.

    By the way, I don't think the ML "climbs like crap" at all. Comparing any similar bike to the 575, which has a reputation for being a great climber, is going to be complicated. I am somewhat sure, however, that it doesn't climb as well as the 575. I will keep an eye out for one to ride but like I implied earlier, running into a ML rider will be a miracle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Dude, you are biting well today, all I am saying is I will not ever except that a ML climbs like crap, just like if someone said that about a Turner, have riddent hem enough to knwo that is bollocks, absolute bollocks, that is what they are so popular for
    Interesting use of words.

    See, now there's quite a direct comparison between Ventana and Turner that goes back and forth. One thing that puts them in the same league is their focus on stiffness and durability. They are both phenomenal bike lines, but some have said they went from Turner to Ventana, while others have gone from Ventana to Turner. Why? Simply because little nuances made a big difference for their type of riding. Hard feelings? Not at all because there is plenty of business to go around for everyone.

    So skip to a Yeti being compared to a Vyatek Motolite and all hell breaks loose! The boys must launch a nighttime offensive on a holy day against the evil Yetifan board! They must invade and speak on the YETI board about why Yeti bikes suck and why Vyatek's Motolite will beat the snot out of a 575 (mind you, the quality of the rider, as well as the possibility the buyer simply would want to buy a bike that feels right has no bearing in this discussion). Perish the thought about bad publicity for Vyatek!!! The troops must roll in and defend! I'm even surprised you guys didn't use the line, "Yeah, but the Motolite is made in the good 'ole USA!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    They must invade and speak on the YETI board about why Yeti bikes suck and why Vyatek's Motolite will beat the snot out of a 575 (mind you, the quality of the rider, as well as the possibility the buyer simply would want to buy a bike that feels right has no bearing in this discussion).
    God!, Jerk you really are full of yourself. As annoying as Zion Rasta is, at least he's funny. You're just an agitator, and your post are inflammatory and have no redeeming quality. Nobody ever said anything bad about Yeti or the 575. So stop trying to start something that isn't even there.

    I jumped in here because I read something that is totally untrue, and I felt that it was only fair to those people who were thinking about buying a MotoLite that I set the matter straight.

    The MotoLite DOES NOT CLIMB POORLY!!! In fact when I'm on it, it climbs awesome. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying is climbs better than the 575. How could I, I haven't ridden it. But, for people to say that it climbs worse (Flyer) when they haven't even ridden the bike is complete horse sh!t.

    But, I did figure it out. The only reason I can think of that a couple of people posted negatively about the way the MotoLite climbs is because of the high bottom bracket; and noobs hate high bottom brackets (until they get used to them). Most experienced riders prefer the extra clearance, but it does take some getting used to. The geometry of the two bikes is just too similar otherwise for there to be any other explanation. And, the difference in the suspension wouldn't explain it either -- both of the highest quality. No, it must be the bottom bracket; the difference is about 9mm at sag, and for a rider coming off of a hard tail, or new to riding this must feel like walking a tight rope...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    God!, Jerk you really are full of yourself. As annoying as Zion Rasta is, at least he's funny. You're just an agitator, and your post are inflammatory and have no redeeming quality. Nobody ever said anything bad about Yeti or the 575. So stop trying to start something that isn't even there.

    I jumped in here because I read something that is totally untrue, and I felt that it was only fair to those people who were thinking about buying a MotoLite that I set the matter straight.

    The MotoLite DOES NOT CLIMB POORLY!!! In fact when I'm on it, it climbs awesome. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying is climbs better than the 575. How could I, I haven't ridden it. But, for people to say that it climbs worse (Flyer) when they haven't even ridden the bike is complete horse sh!t.

    But, I did figure it out. The only reason I can think of that a couple of people posted negatively about the way the MotoLite climbs is because of the high bottom bracket; and noobs hate high bottom brackets (until they get used to them). Most experienced riders prefer the extra clearance, but it does take some getting used to. The geometry of the two bikes is just too similar otherwise for there to be any other explanation. And, the difference in the suspension wouldn't explain it either -- both of the highest quality. No, it must be the bottom bracket; the difference is about 9mm at sag, and for a rider coming off of a hard tail, or new to riding this must feel like walking a tight rope...
    I somehow agree with JC here. It's a weird turn of events that the original post was about a MBA review on the 575 Carbon turned to a 575 vs Moto Lite argument.

    I expect to find in a manufacturer forum more people liking that bikes than other brands. I find it normal that people at the Yeti forum prefer the 575 vs the ML, and I would expect to find in the Turner forum to find people prefering the 5 Spot vs 575 or ML.

    Ok, I think that on the part that some people have got the impression on the Titus board that the ML climbs poorly, it's fine to say that it's a wrong misconseption. As my conception of the 575 as being weak (which was corrected when I saw a 575 live ). But I think that some things are heating up a bit.

    Also, on the price comparison, I think that both FRAMES are priced at virtually the same amount. But Yeti offers a better build kit that Titus. If one would buy only the frame, and then the components, he/she wouldv'e spent the same amount of cash. But when going for built kits, I think that Yeti offers more for the money. Or maybe similar for less money.

    Even then, I say that for bikes at this price, I think that getting the bike one would like was more important than some money in the bank. What I mean is, if I were considering a 575 or a ML with the mfr build kit, I would buy a ML even if it would be a little more expensive, because personally I like more the ML to the 575. And if the prices were inverted, I still would go to a ML and have some money in the bank. And I think this is what Iviguy did, compared both bikes, and bought the one that for him speaked sweeter.

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    My assumption was an educated guess since every review and every rider of the 575 mentions it's climbing abilities. However, since I have heard negative things about the ML's climbing abilities, it stands to reason that there is a much better chance the 575 is a better climber. If that logic is horse $hit, then either you or I need to re-evaluate our definition of horse $hit- chances are that it's you

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    Why is it that....

    Jerk_Chicken only gets involved on other boards when he sees the opportunity to get a few jabs in at people that believe in the product that they spend their hard earned cash on??? I believe he has some deep rooted personal problems and he just trolls to "kick the dog". He always posts some inflamatory jab at some one and then tries to say that his intentions were not derogatory. JC just mind your own business, didnt your mother ever tell you that "If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all"?? I know we are sick of you on the Titus board, I'm sure the Yeti board has had about enough now too.

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    4 inch fork

    The Motolite was designed around a 4 inch fork, that is why the geometry table for a "100mm" fork was the only thing posted on the URL until just recently. I just spent a couple of rides with a four inch fork on mine and it climbs awesome. Because the rear is adjustable between 4 and 5 inches people started putting 5 inch forks on them and running them 5x5. With a 5 inch fork, you have to find the right stem length/height to dial in the feel of the front end on steep climbs. If you pop a 5 inch fork in their, fill up the uncut steerer tube with spacers and pop a 90 stem on their it would probably feel a little light in the front end. I'm sure that has happened and scared a few riders away.

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    I like Titus bikes and do enjoy pulling Jerk Chick's chain a bit too but yeah, if you're coming here to cut down the venerable 575, you should be better armed

    Mountain bikers prob argue more here than anywhere. On the trail, I only meet the nicest guys. Now I can't say the same about some of those bloody Roadies- really

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    I jumped in here because I read something that is totally untrue, and I felt that it was only fair to those people who were thinking about buying a MotoLite that I set the matter straight.
    Oh no! Someone didn't share the same EXACT experience on the ML as you, so it must be untrue! Perhaps it wasn't the bike for them!?!

    The MotoLite DOES NOT CLIMB POORLY!!! In fact when I'm on it, it climbs awesome. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying is climbs better than the 575. How could I, I haven't ridden it. But, for people to say that it climbs worse (Flyer) when they haven't even ridden the bike is complete horse sh!t.
    Again, the Titus Nazis can't deal with the fact that not 100% of the people that try a Vyatek will think it's ideal for them!

    But, I did figure it out. The only reason I can think of that a couple of people posted negatively about the way the MotoLite climbs is because of the high bottom bracket; and noobs hate high bottom brackets (until they get used to them). Most experienced riders prefer the extra clearance, but it does take some getting used to. The geometry of the two bikes is just too similar otherwise for there to be any other explanation. And, the difference in the suspension wouldn't explain it either -- both of the highest quality. No, it must be the bottom bracket; the difference is about 9mm at sag, and for a rider coming off of a hard tail, or new to riding this must feel like walking a tight rope...
    Of course, so anyone that doesn't like the ML is a noob and isn't experienced in the fine art of manhandling a bike that might not be for them. Gotcha

    God forbid, setup, tires, equipment, rider geometry, suspension dynamics, terrain differs from what you know. Really. How about you tell people to use the tires that work in your region in theirs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    Jerk_Chicken only gets involved on other boards when he sees the opportunity to get a few jabs in at people that believe in the product that they spend their hard earned cash on??? I believe he has some deep rooted personal problems and he just trolls to "kick the dog". He always posts some inflamatory jab at some one and then tries to say that his intentions were not derogatory. JC just mind your own business, didnt your mother ever tell you that "If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all"?? I know we are sick of you on the Titus board, I'm sure the Yeti board has had about enough now too.
    Ooo...more reasoning behind why the Titus board is more like that Twilight Zone kid that can hear people's thoughts. You can only think and say good thoughts on their board or feel their e-wrath!

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    [QUOTE=craigstr]The Motolite was designed around a 4 inch fork, that is why the geometry table for a "100mm" fork was the only thing posted on the URL until just recently. I just spent a couple of rides with a four inch fork on mine and it climbs awesome. Because the rear is adjustable between 4 and 5 inches people started putting 5 inch forks on them and running them 5x5. With a 5 inch fork, you have to find the right stem length/height to dial in the feel of the front end on steep climbs. If you pop a 5 inch fork in their, fill up the uncut steerer tube with spacers and pop a 90 stem on their it would probably feel a little light in the front end. I'm sure that has happened and scared a few riders away.[/QUOTE

    I think you may have gotten to the bottom of the issue here!!! I tested both bikes set up for my weight and where i ride. i rode both for two days at my local trail that i ride 90% of the time. to me both were equal with rocky, technical downhill situations and both were very effeceint pedaling with the ML maybe being a lil bit stiffer! i had never even considered a Yeti until i discovered a local shop that caried them and when i saw the 575 i thought man that top tube must be crap and break very easily, so to say the least i was a little turned off by it, but based on the shops recommendation i gave it a try. well i loved it, to me it was a better bike all around and i loved the team color. the ML was NOT a bad bike, just a poor performer on the uphills. now im not saying that it was badly designed and i am by no means a NOOB, so the bottom bracket height was not an issue either. however, the 130 Float RLC that was on the bike might have been the reason why it sucked up front. if the bike was designed for 4" fork then that explains why a 5" fork kept the front end in the air. stem length, in this case was a 100mm, might have been a culprit as well. im not hating on Titus, im not a NOOB, and i am not bashing other peoples rides, for me the 575 worked best and that's why i bought it. the weight, color options, warranty and build kit prices also helped too.

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    All you have to do is look at JC's avatar and you know where he's coming from! And JC, not one person from the Titus board has said ANYTHING bad about a Yeti on this thread!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    My assumption was an educated guess since every review and every rider of the 575 mentions it's climbing abilities. However, since I have heard negative things about the ML's climbing abilities, it stands to reason that there is a much better chance the 575 is a better climber. If that logic is horse $hit, then either you or I need to re-evaluate our definition of horse $hit- chances are that it's you
    ...Yep, you're right chances are it's me.

    So, if it makes you feel better about your bike purchase to put down other bikes then go nutz - I won't try and stop you.

    Take care buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    Jerk_Chicken only gets involved on other boards when he sees the opportunity to get a few jabs in at people that believe in the product that they spend their hard earned cash on??? I believe he has some deep rooted personal problems and he just trolls to "kick the dog". He always posts some inflamatory jab at some one and then tries to say that his intentions were not derogatory. JC just mind your own business, didnt your mother ever tell you that "If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all"?? I know we are sick of you on the Titus board, I'm sure the Yeti board has had about enough now too.
    Interesting

    My sig also has a link where I'm trying to help people out.

    Several posts on this thread's page where I'm helping out some WTB LDL owners

    Here I am again offering relationship advice on the board, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    and isn't experienced in the fine art of manhandling
    No, BigDog, I have no doubt you're well experienced in that particular fine art.

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    It's time for Jerky to head to the Turner board and say something about the Five Spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tejas Mtb
    ... however, the 130 Float RLC that was on the bike might have been the reason why it sucked up front. if the bike was designed for 4" fork then that explains why a 5" fork kept the front end in the air. stem length, in this case was a 100mm, might have been a culprit as well. im not hating on Titus, im not a NOOB, and i am not bashing other peoples rides, for me the 575 worked best and that's why i bought it. the weight, color options, warranty and build kit prices also helped too.
    The MotoLite was not designed around a 100mm fork. However, it was designed with a travel adjust fork in mind. In fact it is rated to take a fork with up to a 145mm of travel.

    So since Tejas Mtb is one of the few qualified to talk about both bikes, and is not a NOOB. Please let us know your theory about why the MotoLite is a "poor performer on the uphills." I'm dying to hear it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    The MotoLite was not designed around a 100mm fork. However, it was designed with a travel adjust fork in mind. In fact it is rated to take a fork with up to a 145mm of travel.

    So since Tejas Mtb is one of the few qualified to talk about both bikes, and is not a NOOB. Please let us know your theory about why the MotoLite is a "poor performer on the uphills." I'm dying to hear it!

    Yes I would "LOVE" to hear this one.

    And as for this build kit buisness, as duly eluded to, and I think it's true of most Titus owners. For the most part a frame of the calaber of the ML people prefer to buy the frame and build it up themselves. As opposed to just picking up a Giant, Treck or... the list goes on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr
    The Motolite was designed around a 4 inch fork, that is why the geometry table for a "100mm" fork was the only thing posted on the URL until just recently. I just spent a couple of rides with a four inch fork on mine and it climbs awesome. Because the rear is adjustable between 4 and 5 inches people started putting 5 inch forks on them and running them 5x5. With a 5 inch fork, you have to find the right stem length/height to dial in the feel of the front end on steep climbs. If you pop a 5 inch fork in their, fill up the uncut steerer tube with spacers and pop a 90 stem on their it would probably feel a little light in the front end. I'm sure that has happened and scared a few riders away.
    That may explain the subject.
    BTW the ML MBA review was with 4 inch set up I believe. It did say the ML climbed well.
    Just for clarification, when people talk about their bike climbing like a goat, they need to consider technical rocky rooty loose you name it terrain. Fire roads and smooth forest trails or singles do not justify analogy to goats in my opinion, no matter how steep.
    Sure if you don't have them on your trails you don't worry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    Just for clarification, when people talk about their bike climbing like a goat, they need to consider technical rocky rooty loose you name it terrain. Fire roads and smooth forest trails or singles do not justify analogy to goats in my opinion, no matter how steep.
    G Bonty, totally agree. For me if I use my Id for example, it shone and climbed like a mountian goat on steep techy rooty, rutty stuff, was fantastic..... Some also coudl make the claim that a bike doesnt climb well if they are on a smooth fire road and the are pumping up there, most FS bikes will bob and not feel stiff etc. It is all about defining the meaning to steep and climbing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    G Bonty, totally agree. For me if I use my Id for example, it shone and climbed like a mountian goat on steep techy rooty, rutty stuff, was fantastic..... Some also coudl make the claim that a bike doesnt climb well if they are on a smooth fire road and the are pumping up there, most FS bikes will bob and not feel stiff etc. It is all about defining the meaning to steep and climbing
    Hey Whafe
    The problem with Yeti is they don't do the Exogrid or any other super bling tubing technology. This may be too simple for your taste and I guess we can not convert you.
    BTW if you go 29er you may want to check out good ol steel. It rides like nothing else when it comes to smoothing the edge of the trails and it rides foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. You may need that after riding a 5 inch. Alu is to harsh on a HT IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    Hey Whafe
    The problem with Yeti is they don't do the Exogrid or any other super bling tubing technology. This may be too simple for your taste and I guess we can not convert you.
    BTW if you go 29er you may want to check out good ol steel. It rides like nothing else when it comes to smoothing the edge of the trails and it rides foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. You may need that after riding a 5 inch. Alu is to harsh on a HT IMO.
    Cheers
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    Ha ha, I hear you. To be honest, have never really looked deeply into the 575, always see the [osts of the new rides, they look great some of them. I didnt jsut go to the Exogrid purely for the bling factor. The Ti Carbon synergy reallt appealled to me, it is an amazing ride feel. Many will thinkit is BS, but it feels amazing........ Am loving it............... Have always known Yeti have some spanking fast XC racers, remember years back, they used to clean up.......... Have never knocked Yeti, never will, my only thing that got at me was saying that a ML climbs like crap, a nonscense comment...................... Its all good though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Ha ha, I hear you. To be honest, have never really looked deeply into the 575, always see the [osts of the new rides, they look great some of them. I didnt jsut go to the Exogrid purely for the bling factor. The Ti Carbon synergy reallt appealled to me, it is an amazing ride feel. Many will thinkit is BS, but it feels amazing........ Am loving it............... Have always known Yeti have some spanking fast XC racers, remember years back, they used to clean up.......... Have never knocked Yeti, never will, my only thing that got at me was saying that a ML climbs like crap, a nonscense comment...................... Its all good though...
    Exogrid is not BS at all and I am sure it smooths the little vibrations the suspension can not handle. I don't know if it's better than steel but it's lighter, nicer and does not rust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    Exogrid is not BS at all and I am sure it smooths the little vibrations the suspension can not handle. I don't know if it's better than steel but it's lighter, nicer and does not rust.
    Shalom again Green B, yes it does smooth things out, and yes lighter than steel, not hat it mattered years ago, but marketing has made us think of weight................Correct, a steel 29 SS would be sweet for sure, will look at this also, at the early stages of investigation........So I will ask questions that may seem odd..
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    So now this has become a Titus discussion on the Yeti board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    That may explain the subject.
    BTW the ML MBA review was with 4 inch set up I believe. It did say the ML climbed well.
    Just for clarification, when people talk about their bike climbing like a goat, they need to consider technical rocky rooty loose you name it terrain. Fire roads and smooth forest trails or singles do not justify analogy to goats in my opinion, no matter how steep.
    Sure if you don't have them on your trails you don't worry about that.
    The MotoLite in the MBA article has a Fox Talas 130mm - the Fox 100 FLT (whatever that is) is a misprint. But, speaking of MBA... R.C. the editor of Mountain Bike Action could ride any bike in the world, but for some reason he rides a Titus MotoLite. Think what you want about him, but having owned his own bike company (AMP Bikes), and being editor of the most popular mountain bike publication in the world qualifies him in my book as somebody who knows.

    Time to unsubscribe myself from this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    The MotoLite in the MBA article has a Fox Talas 130mm - the Fox 100 FLT (whatever that is) is a misprint. But, speaking of MBA... R.C. the editor of Mountain Bike Action could ride any bike in the world, but for some reason he rides a Titus MotoLite. Think what you want about him, but having owned his own bike company (AMP Bikes), and being editor of the most popular mountain bike publication in the world qualifies him in my book as somebody who knows.

    Time to unsubscribe myself from this thread...
    RC owned AMP? Heheheh. Credibility of RC? Heheheh...

    There's the RC off record, then there's RC within the confines of advertising supported MBA.

    I needed a good laugh this morning before my ride!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    RC owned AMP? Heheheh. Credibility of RC? Heheheh...

    There's the RC off record, then there's RC within the confines of advertising supported MBA.

    I needed a good laugh this morning before my ride!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    The MotoLite in the MBA article has a Fox Talas 130mm - the Fox 100 FLT (whatever that is) is a misprint. But, speaking of MBA... R.C. the editor of Mountain Bike Action could ride any bike in the world, but for some reason he rides a Titus MotoLite. Think what you want about him, but having owned his own bike company (AMP Bikes), and being editor of the most popular mountain bike publication in the world qualifies him in my book as somebody who knows.

    Time to unsubscribe myself from this thread...
    Just to straighten things his R.C founded Mantis bicycles, not AMP!!

    More info here: http://www.firstflightbikes.com/Mantis.htm and http://www.mtnbikehalloffame.com/ind...page=99&mID=42

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    Just to straighten things his R.C founded Mantis bicycles, not AMP!!

    More info here: http://www.firstflightbikes.com/Mantis.htm and http://www.mtnbikehalloffame.com/ind...page=99&mID=42

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    Oh!!! what fopaw! Uhh, and the diffrence that makes???

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Oh!!! what fopaw! Uhh, and the diffrence that makes???

    I was just correcting the fact, I am not into the 575/Motolite debacle, I actually like both of them (oh, blasfemy! ), so don't come after me blacky.....

    Besides it makes the same difference as bringing up RC into the debate anyway..

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    Dulyebr, get off of your high horse man!!! Im not saying i am an expert, i just sayed that i rode both bikes for 2 days each to compare their performance with my style and location of riding. i was interested in both and they were the final two options. the ML is not a bad bike, i never said that, i simply said, "it was a poor climber with the way it was setup!" that was with a non adjustable 130mm front fork. maybe there is a world of difference when it has a TALAS, NIXON, or PIKE where the travel is adjustable when you need it to climb, but i did not experience this so therefore i can't pass judgement on the bike setup like that. if you and all of the other ML fans are so damn worried about how others perceive your beloved bike then prove me and the others wrong. I live in Dallas, TX i'de be more than happy to meet you on my local trail ride your bike and then you can take the 575 for a spin and see that there probably isn't one that wins hands down, but until that happens just stay on your own board. people come here to get useful information and share experiences and knowledge with like minded enthusiasts who enjoy the same passion as they do, not to whine and moan and groan like a bunch of 1st graders.

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    Wow. This thread had the potential to be interesting, now it's been ruined.

    Hey, ML guys, nice bike, really, but can't you all praise it on the Titus forum? If someone wants the scoop on the ML, I'm sure they won't take the word of enthusiastic Yeti owners when making their purchase, so don't worry too much about what's said here. Seriously, I understand you all want to defend the ML, but don't you all think you are overdoing it here in the Yeti forum? Go ride your bikes.

    Ant - owner of a goat, er , 575.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antonio
    Wow. This thread had the potential to be interesting, now it's been ruined.

    Hey, ML guys, nice bike, really, but can't you all praise it on the Titus forum? If someone wants the scoop on the ML, I'm sure they won't take the word of enthusiastic Yeti owners when making their purchase, so don't worry too much about what's said here. Seriously, I understand you all want to defend the ML, but don't you all think you are overdoing it here in the Yeti forum? Go ride your bikes.

    Ant - owner of a goat, er , 575.
    I dont feel there has been disrespectful banter. It is informative. I now know that a 575 is a very well respected bike..............No one is being disrespectful..... As i said, I have an issue with being told a ML climbs like crap............... I can take, my bike climbs better etc, for sure. But not an incorrect statement, the ML climbs like crap....................How do we learn if we dont hear many different thoughts....................... Have already ridden today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Do you own a Yeti or a Titus? NO! you wouldn't have gotten your custom colors for trolling now would ya!
    Yeti- Considered it, test rode the 575 and the ASR. Deliberated and lusted for several months. My needs and fit were elsewhere.Didn't buy one, but would still love a Turquoise Blue yeti. I even have a 2000/2001 catalog in my drawer!

    Titus- I loved them from the moment I found out about them in 2000. The Quasi was the one I always wanted. I loved the adaptability of the SB, but not the seat mast. More recently, I was interested in the SM because it would be just about anything I would want from it, but the same problem came down to the seat mast. Another reason I didn't go for Titus recently was the lack of truthful information on the Titus board. According to the Titus board, they are all made in the US, a lie that is supported by the Vyatek website, implying the SM is made in AZ in that flash movie. I also called Vyatek several times and got different answers, along with different permutations of the origins. The pathological lies, along with the fact that the Titus board can't take ANY criticism whatsoever without becoming combative turned me off. How about letting the bikes and the company speak for itself? Why hide where the bikes are made? Why jump on people who talk about the weak paint on the Motolite?

    Furthermore, Titus is now Vyatek, now that Chris is gone. IMHO, his business model for growth was not in line with what a larger corporate entity would want. They would want larger scale expansion, while the "old blood" would more want stepwise growth. So they bring in Pat Hus, which is the Ted McGinley of the industry. He follows a more corporate model, not one of a grassroots origin. We shall see if I'm right or wrong. Believe me, I'm not the only one turned off by the Titus Nazis.

    Again, the Titus Nazis didn't need to go over to the Yeti board to tell them why they didn't like the ML and picked the 575 over it. They don't need to justify it to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Yeti- Considered it, test rode the 575 and the ASR. Deliberated and lusted for several months. My needs and fit were elsewhere.Didn't buy one, but would still love a Turquoise Blue yeti. I even have a 2000/2001 catalog in my drawer!

    Titus- I loved them from the moment I found out about them in 2000. The Quasi was the one I always wanted. I loved the adaptability of the SB, but not the seat mast. More recently, I was interested in the SM because it would be just about anything I would want from it, but the same problem came down to the seat mast. Another reason I didn't go for Titus recently was the lack of truthful information on the Titus board. According to the Titus board, they are all made in the US, a lie that is supported by the Vyatek website, implying the SM is made in AZ in that flash movie. I also called Vyatek several times and got different answers, along with different permutations of the origins. The pathological lies, along with the fact that the Titus board can't take ANY criticism whatsoever without becoming combative turned me off. How about letting the bikes and the company speak for itself? Why hide where the bikes are made? Why jump on people who talk about the weak paint on the Motolite?

    Furthermore, Titus is now Vyatek, now that Chris is gone. IMHO, his business model for growth was not in line with what a larger corporate entity would want. They would want larger scale expansion, while the "old blood" would more want stepwise growth. So they bring in Pat Hus, which is the Ted McGinley of the industry. He follows a more corporate model, not one of a grassroots origin. We shall see if I'm right or wrong. Believe me, I'm not the only one turned off by the Titus Nazis.

    Again, the Titus Nazis didn't need to go over to the Yeti board to tell them why they didn't like the ML and picked the 575 over it. They don't need to justify it to anyone.



    Your so full of $hit. You started trolling the Titus board 2 months after you joined this site, and anyone who thinks you have any clue as to what your talking about is as big a fool! Theres no such thing as Titus Nazis PLEEAASE!!!

    If you recall "I" even took your side when you first started trolling over on the Titus board. That is until the truth about what you were trying to do came out, do to your on ignorance! You know I used to really love Turner till you started up your $hit. Now I loose more, and more respect for Turner and the Homers every day because YOU!

    I just have to "try" and remember your more of a wannabe homer than anything else. But the line is becoming more and more blurred every day...

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    The hysterics of the Titus Nazis!

    The truth came out? From a third party??? Regardless, I don't care about whose side you take. I don't even care if you like Turner or not because I don't work for them! I'm just a guy that rides bikes that happen to come from them. I'm not even a homer! I just an everyday working guy that rides a bike in the woods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    The hysterics of the Titus Nazis!

    The truth came out? From a third party??? Regardless, I don't care about whose side you take. I don't even care if you like Turner or not because I don't work for them! I'm just a guy that rides bikes that happen to come from them. I'm not even a homer! I just an everyday working guy that rides a bike in the woods!

    No your not, your a troll, who lies, and makes up $hit about other peoples bikes.

    You expect anyone to believe you were in the market for a Quasi PAALLLEEEAASSSSE! You, the idiot that was running around the Turner forum talking about how you liked a steeper headangle on descents, or some such nonsens? That dosen't sound like anyone in the market for a Quasi back in 2003! That sounds like an XC rider who'd buy a Flux, wich you did...

    OH! but now your a big AM FR guy cause you lurked the Turner board long enough, till you just had to have an RFX, so you could pose at being a homer. Jerkoff you can talk all the $hit you want, but at least be man enough to tell the truth...

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    Again, a wonderful display by the Vyatek Nazis.

    And why do you spend so much time hanging out on the Turner board?

    Oh, while I'm at it, which one of you cited Richard Cunningham for riding a ML?
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    Q. Hi Richard being the proud owner of a Titus Motolite I have a concern I'm hoping you can shed some light on? In you honest opinion do you think the departure of Chris is going to hurt The Titus brand at all? Or do you think Titus will do just fine w/o him? Also what do you think of a pushed Fox rp23 for my Moto lite is it worth the $500.00 bucks.
    Justin/mbaction.com - 7/24/2006 9:34:46 AM

    A. RC: Chris Cocalis is one of the handful of thinkers who I use to weigh my own thoughts and opinions about the past, present and future of all things mountain bike. It is doubtful that Titus will be better off without Chris' balance of pragmatism and innovative thinking. Titus will not suffer in the short term, because its product line reflects the heart and soul of what is happening today. What is questionable is, who can take Titus to its next higher step? It's been done successfully before--Yeti is thriving with new management, but it doesn't happen often. We shall see.
    Now from our friend, Dulyber, who is another one of the Titus Nazis that helped ruin the Titus board:

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    Link 2 Where Andy's opinion changed about the TNT rear. This was conspiciously absent in dulybr's post.

    The above is just a few of the examples of the lies that get thrown around by the customers of Vyatek on their board when they think no one is watching them. They don't get that they aren't on the VYatek team or payroll, but they still root their "team" on so feverishly by flailing at anything and everything that comes from anywhere that's not the inside of their group. Again, a thread about the Motolite, then they bring in another manufacturer into it. Kind of like the post they made about how you guys were comparing the ML to the 575, which the latter obviously doesn't have a chance in hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Again, a wonderful display by the Vyatek Nazis.

    And why do you spend so much time hanging out on the Turner board?

    Oh, while I'm at it, which one of you cited Richard Cunningham for riding a ML?
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    Now from our friend, Dulyber, who is another one of the Titus Nazis that helped ruin the Titus board:

    Link

    Link 2 Where Andy's opinion changed about the TNT rear. This was conspiciously absent in dulybr's post.

    The above is just a few of the examples of the lies that get thrown around by the customers of Vyatek on their board when they think no one is watching them. They don't get that they aren't on the VYatek team or payroll, but they still root their "team" on so feverishly by flailing at anything and everything that comes from anywhere that's not the inside of their group. Again, a thread about the Motolite, then they bring in another manufacturer into it. Kind of like the post they made about how you guys were comparing the ML to the 575, which the latter obviously doesn't have a chance in hell.


    You are such a detective!

    Or an even bigger joke than I suspected? Oh and is there actually any evadence of anything in your douchbag little links????? Me no see nothing? What a BURN... aaah anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    You are such a detective!

    Or an even bigger joke than I suspected? Oh and is there actually any evadence of anything in your douchbag little links????? Me no see nothing? What a BURN... aaah anyway...
    Another one of your lies?
    You guys invade another board, but can't handle it when someone comes to your board.

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    Whaa? Whaaa? Whaaaa???

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Another one of your lies?
    You guys invade another board, but can't handle it when someone comes to your board.

    Your becoming even more incoherant.

    Do you ever even read your own posts?

    Waite, who again likes to invade other boardes??? Hmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I've never considered the 575 to even come close to the ML in build qulity, longevity or ride... So go figure, I mean the 575 did get bike of the year 2 years running in two diffrent mags... Oh waite! no it didn't.


    That was the Moto-Lite...
    Why do you keep hanging out in the Yeti forum then? I suppose if Yeti's advertisement budget was as large as Titus for those magazines they may have a better running in the "bike of the year" catagory. I suppose that instead of spending the money on advertising, they put it into build quality and better pricing for their customers...

    You really must want a 575 but keep talking yourself out of it since you spend so much time in here...

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    Yeah!

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Why do you keep hanging out in the Yeti forum then? I suppose if Yeti's advertisement budget was as large as Titus for those magazines they may have a better running in the "bike of the year" catagory. I suppose that instead of spending the money on advertising, they put it into build quality and better pricing for their customers...

    You really must want a 575 but keep talking yourself out of it since you spend so much time in here...

    Give me yours? If I recall, I joined in on a discussion wich involved the bike I happen to ride. So aaah... There ya go.

    Oh and you can hang on to your 575...




    Edit: And just so the (Tribe) knows, I consider Yeti and the 575 to be fantastic bikes, and nothing I've said here is intended to take away from that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Give me yours? If I recall, I joined in on a discussion wich involved the bike I happen to ride. So aaah... There ya go.

    Oh and you can hang on to your 575...




    Edit: And just so the (Tribe) knows, I consider Yeti and the 575 to be fantastic bikes, and nothing I've said here is intended to take away from that...
    I am speaking historically as well as this thread. You had a lot of ML input when I was trying to decide what would work best for me. I don't read the Titus forum so I am ignorant as to whether any of the tribe hang out in there but from my perspective there seems to be a few frequent posters here that splash the ML around a lot. IMHO. If someone said something about the 575 in some other forum, I would not ever even know about it. You must do a lot of searching for "ML" or something....

    As far as you thinking that the 575 is a fantastic bike... Why do you keep dissing it then? ie... several comments about the 575 being bike of the year for 2 years running.. oh, that was the ML, not the 575..... hmmm. I have heard that statement several times from you.

    The ML and the 575 are 2 great bikes. I personally didn't really like the demo I had on the ML but that doesn't mean it sucks. It just sucked for me. I wasn't too convinced on the 575 my first ride either. We all have opinions and that is just fine. There are probably other bikes more closely related to the 575, so I still haven't figured out why comparing the 575 to the ML seems to be so popular. I think the 575 leans more strongly toward AM and the ML leans more strongly toward XC. They are really 2 different bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Give me yours? If I recall, I joined in on a discussion wich involved the bike I happen to ride. So aaah... There ya go.

    Oh and you can hang on to your 575...




    Edit: And just so the (Tribe) knows, I consider Yeti and the 575 to be fantastic bikes, and nothing I've said here is intended to take away from that...
    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I've never considered the 575 to even come close to the ML in build qulity, longevity or ride... So go figure, I mean the 575 did get bike of the year 2 years running in two diffrent mags... Oh waite! no it didn't.


    That was the Moto-Lite...
    Hmmmm...

    While we're on it, here's a partial list of manufacturers that have gotten bike of the year and/or runner up positions:
    Diamondback
    Raleigh
    Specialized
    Jamis
    Trek
    Giant
    Haro

    Did any of the above come up while deciding on a Vyatek Motolite?

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    Hey JackAss Chicken!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Hmmmm...

    While we're on it, here's a partial list of manufacturers that have gotten bike of the year and/or runner up positions:
    Diamondback
    Raleigh
    Specialized
    Jamis
    Trek
    Giant
    Haro

    Did any of the above come up while deciding on a Vyatek Motolite?


    I missed you, where ya been. Coming up with more jems like the one you just posted I see.

    Wow! that was a burn to say the least. What to do, what to do...



    I'd swear your posting from an institution somewhere? Anyway nice one, but I think it's time for your meds. Or the pretty nurse might have to strap you down again.

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    Hey Iviguy!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I am speaking historically as well as this thread. You had a lot of ML input when I was trying to decide what would work best for me. I don't read the Titus forum so I am ignorant as to whether any of the tribe hang out in there but from my perspective there seems to be a few frequent posters here that splash the ML around a lot. IMHO. If someone said something about the 575 in some other forum, I would not ever even know about it. You must do a lot of searching for "ML" or something....

    As far as you thinking that the 575 is a fantastic bike... Why do you keep dissing it then? ie... several comments about the 575 being bike of the year for 2 years running.. oh, that was the ML, not the 575..... hmmm. I have heard that statement several times from you.

    The ML and the 575 are 2 great bikes. I personally didn't really like the demo I had on the ML but that doesn't mean it sucks. It just sucked for me. I wasn't too convinced on the 575 my first ride either. We all have opinions and that is just fine. There are probably other bikes more closely related to the 575, so I still haven't figured out why comparing the 575 to the ML seems to be so popular. I think the 575 leans more strongly toward AM and the ML leans more strongly toward XC. They are really 2 different bikes.


    Guess what bike got bike of the year??? Hey the ML did!

    Now look around, do you still think your bikes the shiznet? Did your hair fall out? Do you still get to go out and ride your weapon of choice everyday???

    That's what I thought... Now see, your already over it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Guess what bike got bike of the year??? Hey the ML did!
    I don't think you get it. No one cares, except for you. Have you read the MBA reviews anyway? Every bike is wonderful, everyone is great... Perfect "one" bike... blah blah blah. It could get bike of the century and if I don't like it, I could care less...

    Now look around, do you still think your bikes the shiznet? Did your hair fall out? Do you still get to go out and ride your weapon of choice everyday???
    Yes, I do but you don't see me hanging out in the Titus forum trying to convince them of that.. My hair has been falling out for years, what's your point?


    That's what I thought... Now see, your already over it...

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    Link from the thread asking the Nazis to declare war on the Yeti board.

    Quote Originally Posted by demo slug
    don't worry about what people say man. If you want my advice, just post up and say hey I think my ML climbs swell. and leave it at that. if you want to rant. go for it. but don't get sucked into to the negative crap. some people just feel better/smarter/cooler when they post negative things. that is just the way of the MTBR world.


    I like my ML bunches. I even recommended one to a buddy. he didn't like it at first. but after today you'll have to pry it out of his cold dead hands. he got a 4th place in his first XC race. the bike works. and you can go way fast on it.

    SO, the MTB community is way fun. the people are fun and only a complete tool is going to be rude to you on the trail or at a race. even the guys on giants and treks ride and have fun and go fast too. and they are quality bikes.

    why would anyone take joy/interest/profit in telling other MTB people that their bike sucks? seems lame.

    let Titus worry about their image.
    Despite the fact that DS was one of the main people that ruined the Titus board before passing the torch onto Blackagness, he speaks sense here. Let the bikes speak for themselves and let the buyers determine why they may like or not like bikes in the same class.

    What did the Titus nazis teach us? Well, don't speak about choosing another bike over Vyatek. They will know. They also have shown us that the needs of different riders are met by different bikes. BRAVO! They've also shown that they will throw tantrums, go personal, and use explicatives at will. I better be weary about riding with anyone on a Vyatek. They might outclimb me, as well as lecture me on why I went wrong with my bike choice!

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    Here's my foggy 2 cents, which is all I can provide without my second cup of coffee. Someone mentioned similar geometries. The ML and 575 have significantly different head tube angles, which probably contribute to making them ride very differently. Other diferences may also accentuate the ride differences. The Yeti has 69 degrees while the ML has 71.5, right? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

    That steeper head-tube angle would lead to a more XC -style ride on the ML and it will carve tight turns quicker on tight trails while the 575 will prefer slightly more open trails and be more stable coming downhill at speed or on steep, rocky climbs. It's the ASR-SL that has a 71 degree angle and it is FAST around cuvy Singletrack- very different from the 575, which is low-sling, stable, and needs more counter-steering- you learn to adjust to this.

    It's a similar situation when comparing the 575 to the OLDER (2004 and older) X-5, where the X5 is very reactive and carves twisty and tight Singletrack up like crazy. When I first rode my X-5, I almost fell over when counter-steering it like the 575 on the first tight corner. It requires much less input. Riders who go from one style to the other look at the new style as a negative. You just have to spend enough time on the bike and adjust your riding style a little. Then you can see the advantages of the new angles and new bike while adjusting to what initially appeared to be a disadvantage. Keep in mind, we're talking about pretty high-end bikes though. Going from a 575 to a Mongoose FS provides no advantages that I can think of.

    I'm still floored by the weigh on the 575 carbon-rear frame- 5.75 lbs. That would be so easy to ride when you're down to 20% energy.

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    Jerk Chicken Must Be Contagious!

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    I don't think you get it. No one cares, except for you. Have you read the MBA reviews anyway? Every bike is wonderful, everyone is great... Perfect "one" bike... blah blah blah. It could get bike of the century and if I don't like it, I could care less...


    Yes, I do but you don't see me hanging out in the Titus forum trying to convince them of that.. My hair has been falling out for years, what's your point?




    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Since when do I hang out on the Yeti board? Did I trash your bike NO! You were discussing MY BIKE! And spouting out FALSE information!

    You want to trash my bike, go right ahead, but what makes you think I don't have a right to put out waaaay more informed information than you , when your flat out stating false hoods as fact!.

    Are you kidding! Do you somehow think no Yeti rider has come into the Titus board to correct something someome has said about a Yeti that they fond to be incorrect...

    PLEASE!!!

    You can talk all the $hit you want about the ML, go right ahead, and I'll sit back, and read. But don't think your gonna just sit there and say just anything that pops into your head "that's untrue" and expect someone who actually OWNS the bike to not have something they'd like add to the discussion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Since when do I hang out on the Yeti board? Did I trash your bike NO! You were discussing MY BIKE! And spouting out FALSE information!

    You want to trash my bike, go right ahead, but what makes you think I don't have a right to put out waaaay more informed information than you , when your flat out stating false hoods as fact!.

    Are you kidding! Do you somehow think no Yeti rider has come into the Titus board to correct something someome has said about a Yeti that they fond to be incorrect...

    PLEASE!!!

    You can talk all the $hit you want about the ML, go right ahead, and I'll sit back, and read. But don't think your gonna just sit there and say just anything that pops into your head "that's untrue" and expect someone who actually OWNS the bike to not have something they'd like add to the discussion!

    WOW, I think Blackagness just had an e-meltdown

    And again, Agness can't fathom how his bike that works so well for him won't necessarily work for someone else with their body geometry, riding style, trail conditions, and equipment, so it automatically means the Yetifans are liars and they are slagging off HIS SPECIFIC bike, not just all of the Vyatek's ML's. Apparently, his bike is special; it has a soul and feelings and the Yetifans insulted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Since when do I hang out on the Yeti board? Did I trash your bike NO! You were discussing MY BIKE! And spouting out FALSE information!

    You want to trash my bike, go right ahead, but what makes you think I don't have a right to put out waaaay more informed information than you , when your flat out stating false hoods as fact!.

    Are you kidding! Do you somehow think no Yeti rider has come into the Titus board to correct something someome has said about a Yeti that they fond to be incorrect...

    PLEASE!!!

    You can talk all the $hit you want about the ML, go right ahead, and I'll sit back, and read. But don't think your gonna just sit there and say just anything that pops into your head "that's untrue" and expect someone who actually OWNS the bike to not have something they'd like add to the discussion!
    What have I said that was untrue? I gave my experience which was absolutely true. My perception is based on that experience. You have no say in whether it is true or not because you were not there and you didn't witness any of it, so I really don't know who you think you are to challenge me on what I witnessed for myself first hand. Speak about your own bike, that's fine with me. But don't sit there and accuse me of lieing about something that you know nothing whatsoever about.

    I never stated that no Yeti riders go to the other forums. All I am speaking of is what I see, and I see a lot of ML riders coming to this forum. Seems odd, that's all. I am not the only one that has commented on this either.

    Dude, you should calm down and go take a break or something. If you think I have somehow lied, then tell me what you think I lied about? Don't post obvious exaggerations either. When I say that the paint falls off when anything touches it, that is an exaggeration. It did come off easily in my opinion. Sorry if that "truth" offends you but I would just say - GET OVER IT. It happened, it's true, deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    WOW, I think Blackagness just had an e-meltdown

    And again, Agness can't fathom how his bike that works so well for him won't necessarily work for someone else with their body geometry, riding style, trail conditions, and equipment, so it automatically means the Yetifans are liars and they are slagging off HIS SPECIFIC bike, not just all of the Vyatek's ML's. Apparently, his bike is special; it has a soul and feelings and the Yetifans insulted it.
    You would think this was some kind of political conversation or something.. Sheesh.. I didn't down the Democrats or anything...

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    You know Blackagness has spent more time on this forum than on the Vyatek forum? This is well after all of his buddies bowed out of the "discussion".

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    Uh and just where have you been???

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    You know Blackagness has spent more time on this forum than on the Vyatek forum? This is well after all of his buddies bowed out of the "discussion".

    More brilliance from you, there Jerky. Hmmm where do you like to spend your time? Woud that be the Titus board trying to stir $hit up.

    Your practically the soul reason the Titus boarde had to bring in a Mod. Just where in THE WORLD! do you get off haveing a say in anything. Just witch one of the bikes being discussed here do you own?

    Yes I found this thread what...yesterday, and suddenly I spend all my time here????? I swear Jerkoff you seriously need to start reading your own posts... Believe me I'd rather not spend another minute over here, but "some" people keep wanting to say stupid $hit to drag me back. Either leave it alone, or say something that HALF makes a valid argument, so I wont have any response... I will be glad to concede any points you may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Since when do I hang out on the Yeti board? Did I trash your bike NO! You were discussing MY BIKE! And spouting out FALSE information!

    You want to trash my bike, go right ahead, but what makes you think I don't have a right to put out waaaay more informed information than you , when your flat out stating false hoods as fact!.

    Are you kidding! Do you somehow think no Yeti rider has come into the Titus board to correct something someome has said about a Yeti that they fond to be incorrect...

    PLEASE!!!

    You can talk all the $hit you want about the ML, go right ahead, and I'll sit back, and read. But don't think your gonna just sit there and say just anything that pops into your head "that's untrue" and expect someone who actually OWNS the bike to not have something they'd like add to the discussion!
    You're the obnoxious drunk guy at the bar who just won't leave until you're kicked out. Stop making a fool of yourself, it's embarassing.

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    And with all due respect to warp, he's too permissive with his "own team". He has contributed to the Vyatek board running into the ground with lies, inflammatory remarks (despite constructive natures of some), and threads of war cries against the Yeti board (link above) made by his members.

    I noticed with every post, agness becomes more and more CRAZY FRED-like

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