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    ... and if we just ... Mba

    just got my sept. mba in - anyone else see it yet? Yeti 575 Carbon test baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanerPVT
    just got my sept. mba in - anyone else see it yet? Yeti 575 Carbon test baby!
    Hah, last issue the editor was leaning on one in his column picture. I sent him an e-mail and asked "when's da review." Must have been in the works. don't have mine yet, will get off here and look at the review, see if I made a good choice. But then have you ever seen them review a bike they said really stunk up the place? Maybe the Fisher Possum review.
    What, me hurry?

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    ya he was leaning on the white yeti in the august editor column pick!!! they gave it rave reviews, but like Big Mac said they always do. Doesn't matter to me, i don't need MBA to tell me my bike kicks arss, i already know that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tejas Mtb
    ya he was leaning on the white yeti in the august editor column pick!!! they gave it rave reviews, but like Big Mac said they always do. Doesn't matter to me, i don't need MBA to tell me my bike kicks arss, i already know that!
    I would have said that until last month's Fat Possum review, which was downright negative. Usually you can read between the lines to figure out the weaknesses of a reviewed bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tejas Mtb
    ya he was leaning on the white yeti in the august editor column pick!!! they gave it rave reviews, but like Big Mac said they always do. Doesn't matter to me, i don't need MBA to tell me my bike kicks arss, i already know that!
    Wonder why he didn't pick a real Yeti with the team colors? (Like my bike...)
    What, me hurry?

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    How did it compare with ML?

    May was last time I visited the US and had a chance to look at MBA where there was a review for Titus ML.
    It will be nice if the two (ML and 575) can be scanned and posted or if sombody can summarize for similar categories. Originally I wanted the ML but never had the chance to demo. Last week I met a guy with ML on the trail and could not resist asking him to swap bikes for a while. He was not interested but was kind enough to give his bike for a very short spin. I must say that I liked the geometry and it felt lighter despite similar specs
    (TALAS, cranks, wheels...). I know however that ML has issues with climbing
    and front end is somehow light making the bike traction on steep climbs tricky (was surprised to learn that from Titus board). Sure the 575 climbs much better than my steel hardtail on any technical trail.
    My bike suspension is tunned by now and I feel more comfortable capable and confident. I only miss my HT when hammering out of the saddle and when climbing rocks/steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    It will be nice if the two (ML and 575) can be scanned and posted or if sombody can summarize for similar categories.
    I have the rags at home so I might be able to post them later.

    Cheers,
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    Here's the 575 review. I will post the motolite one later. You can click on the photos if you want a bigger version (once you are on flickr, choose "All sizes" above the image to see the bigger versions).

    Cheers,
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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200258167/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/75/200258167_26d4338064.jpg" width="386" height="500" alt="MBA review 575-p60" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200258188/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/52/200258188_66bbad7d2c_b.jpg" width="791" height="1024" alt="MBA review 575-p61" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200258152/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/67/200258152_db85e8954d_b.jpg" width="791" height="1024" alt="MBA review 575-p62" /></a>
    Last edited by crisillo; 07-28-2006 at 07:44 AM.

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    Hey Cris
    Where is the "all sizes" botton?. Can not find anywhere above the picture.
    Thanks and Pura vida
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    Whew- that got my eyes awake. I managed to read it all though. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    Hey Cris
    Where is the "all sizes" botton?. Can not find anywhere above the picture.
    Thanks and Pura vida
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    Hi GB!

    there is toolbar on the top part on the image on my flickr page (after you click the image in this thread)

    EDIT: Flyer, I changed the images above to a larger version to make it easier to read, you can still get an even bigger version if you go to the flickr page.

    Cheers,
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    Hi again!

    I have scanned the Moto lite review so you guys can compare.

    Cheers,
    Cris

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200320439/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/64/200320439_eafe283e8f_b.jpg" width="758" height="1024" alt="mba review motolite 1" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/200320220/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/72/200320220_ac0b9e1075_b.jpg" width="731" height="1024" alt="mba review motolite 2" /></a>

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    i tested both the ML and the 575 and i hated, absolutely HATED the way the ML climbed.

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    yup, that's what I found between the lines on the Titus board.
    I have no personall experience climbing the ML though.
    GB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Jim Mac
    Hah, last issue the editor was leaning on one in his column picture. I sent him an e-mail and asked "when's da review." Must have been in the works. don't have mine yet, will get off here and look at the review, see if I made a good choice. But then have you ever seen them review a bike they said really stunk up the place? Maybe the Fisher Possum review.
    Thank me, thank me very much... Oh, I mean COOL. Check out the email exchanges below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Email to MBA Editor
    On 2/23/06 7:02 AM, "Mike" <Mike@intervoice.com> wrote:


    I am a subscriber to your magazine and like the reviews and articles. I am, however, somewhat disappointed that you donít seem to cover much on the Yeti scene. The AS-R is a super race bike and I only see an occasional picture. The 575 is a bike that I hope to be my next bike but you havenít done a review since 2004 and I donít think I have seen one issue with that bike on display in some form or fashion. What gives? This is supposed to be an awesome do it all bike. Do you plan on doing another review of the 575 any time soon? They just came out with the 575 frame that has the carbon fiber stays and I would love to see a review of this bike.

    Thanks

    Michael
    Quote Originally Posted by Editor MBA reply to me
    Hey Michael:

    No plans on doing a 575 test right now. I get the feeling that Yeti doesnít feel Mountain Bike Action is an important magazine so it is seldom that we can get a bike from them. Iíll keep trying, but when there are so many companies who want to work with us, it doesnít make sense to waste time trying to work with someone who doesnít want to work with us.

    C-ya,
    Jim "Jimmy Mac" McIlvain
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    Then I emailed what I had gotten from the editor at MBA to Yeti....

    Quote Originally Posted by My email to Yeti
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    From: Mike[mailto:Mike@intervoice.com]
    Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:50 AM
    To: yetimkt@yeticycles.com
    Subject: Yeti Reviews


    To Whom It May Concern:

    I was disappointed that I hardly see any Yeti reviews in the mountain bike magazines and in fact hardly see any info whatsoever besides the occasional race pictures where someone is on an AS-R or something.

    So I decided to email the editor at Mountain Bike Action magazine and see what was up. Below is the response I got and wondered if you could comment on it.

    MBA EMAIL INFO:

    Hey Michael:

    No plans on doing a 575 test right now. I get the feeling that Yeti doesnít feel Mountain Bike Action is an important magazine so it is seldom that we can get a bike from them. Iíll keep trying, but when there are so many companies who want to work with us, it doesnít make sense to waste time trying to work with someone who doesnít want to work with us.

    C-ya,
    Jim "Jimmy Mac" McIlvain
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    (661) 295-1910
    (661) 367-2145 (direct)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris at Yeti
    Mike-

    Thanks for the heads-up on MBA. I'll give Jimmy Mac a ring and see what's up. There are a bunch of reviews on our site from all over the world, you can check those out. Also, we are heading down to Grapevine, TX (Mad Duck Sports) with our demo rig in a few weeks. Call the boyz (Clarence or Gary) at Mad Duck and we'll make sure you get to ride one in person.

    Cheers,
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Thank me, thank me very much... Oh, I mean COOL. Check out the email exchanges below:

    Then I emailed what I had gotten from the editor at MBA to Yeti....

    Nicely done!

    Seems like you got us a review... well done! ;-)

    That review was one of the final "pushes" that got me into ordering my 575....

    It's all your fault!!!

    -Cris

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    yup, that's what I found between the lines on the Titus board.
    I have no personall experience climbing the ML though.
    GB
    Wow, look at the price differnce between the Titus and the Yeti. I thnk the Yeti has to be one of the best values out there.
    What, me hurry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    May was last time I visited the US and had a chance to look at MBA where there was a review for Titus ML.
    It will be nice if the two (ML and 575) can be scanned and posted or if sombody can summarize for similar categories. Originally I wanted the ML but never had the chance to demo. Last week I met a guy with ML on the trail and could not resist asking him to swap bikes for a while. He was not interested but was kind enough to give his bike for a very short spin. I must say that I liked the geometry and it felt lighter despite similar specs
    (TALAS, cranks, wheels...). I know however that ML has issues with climbing
    and front end is somehow light making the bike traction on steep climbs tricky (was surprised to learn that from Titus board). Sure the 575 climbs much better than my steel hardtail on any technical trail.
    My bike suspension is tunned by now and I feel more comfortable capable and confident. I only miss my HT when hammering out of the saddle and when climbing rocks/steps.
    My gosh, didn't I beat this horse to death already?

    I was not impressed with the ML at all. Demo ML - My saga continues

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    My gosh, didn't I beat this horse to death already?

    I was not impressed with the ML at all. Demo ML - My saga continues
    I know you did but:
    1. These things may be subjective depending on many variables including terrain riding style/prefference and setup. It took me 1 month to fine tune my Yeti. A week ago a was still somewhat disapointed.
    2. I read the Titus board here and there and find these guys extremely passionate about their MLs. Some of them seems to me quite "professional" when it comes to biking. Some spend tones of cash on bling frames such as Exogrid which is so nice you should live it at living room. I don't believe they are all wrong (sure there is no truth here). As I know from other areas, some will swear by the SRAM where others preffer Shimano and same goes for forks.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    I know you did but:
    1. These things may be subjective depending on many variables including terrain riding style/prefference and setup. It took me 1 month to fine tune my Yeti. A week ago a was still somewhat disapointed.
    2. I read the Titus board here and there and find these guys extremely passionate about their MLs. Some of them seems to me quite "professional" when it comes to biking. Some spend tones of cash on bling frames such as Exogrid which is so nice you should live it at living room. I don't believe they are all wrong (sure there is no truth here). As I know from other areas, some will swear by the SRAM where others preffer Shimano and same goes for forks.

    Cheers
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    Exactly! If there was one perfect bike, there would be no need for all the others. Everyone has their own taste, likes and dislikes. You have to figure out what works for you.

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    Whatever...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    yup, that's what I found between the lines on the Titus board.
    I have no personall experience climbing the ML though.
    GB
    That's completely untrue.

    99% of the posts I've read about the MotoLite say it climbs like a goat. Check out the product review board .

    here's a quote from just the latest one:

    "The 2007 RP23 and Talas RLC ain't too shabby either, they both transform it into an ultra capable climbing machine that can really open it up on the rough and rocky descents."

    Plus, how could a bike voted "Trail Bike of the Year" by Mountain Bike and Bicycling Magazine 2 years running not climb well...

    Set-up is everything; too short a stem, or a set-back post when you don't need one can throw everything off and make any bike seem lame. Iviguy even admited he thought the shop over-infalted the shock on his test-ride.

    No doubt, the ML has a stiffer ride. It's like a BMW in that it has more road feel. But, it's been designed that way to be a great, snappy pedaler both in and out of the saddle. With my last bike I could not stand while climbing without the bike squating and consequently spinning my back tire, with the ML I stand a lot, and it's great having that option.

    Here's mine and I can tell you it climbs great and descends great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    That's completely untrue.

    99% of the posts I've read about the MotoLite say it climbs like a goat. Check out the product review board .

    here's a quote from just the latest one:

    "The 2007 RP23 and Talas RLC ain't too shabby either, they both transform it into an ultra capable climbing machine that can really open it up on the rough and rocky descents."

    Plus, how could a bike voted "Trail Bike of the Year" by Mountain Bike and Bicycling Magazine 2 years running not climb well...

    Set-up is everything; too short a stem, or a set-back post when you don't need one can throw everything off and make any bike seem lame. Iviguy even admited he thought the shop over-infalted the shock on his test-ride.

    No doubt, the ML has a stiffer ride. It's like a BMW in that it has more road feel. But, it's been designed that way to be a great, snappy pedaler both in and out of the saddle. With my last bike I could not stand while climbing without the bike squating and consequently spinning my back tire, with the ML I stand a lot, and it's great having that option.

    Here's mine and I can tell you it climbs great and descends great.
    This is the Yeti board. Keep your filthy Titus bikes out of here...

    Yes, you are correct, I do believe that they probably had too much air in the shock. BUT - recall that wasn't the only thing that ticked me off about that bike.

    1. The paint chipped off and got scratched when anything touched it....
    2. The component choice vs. price was not inspiring whatsoever.
    3. Only 2 colors and those are non-inspiring as well.

    I really wanted to like the ML but in the end, I just wasn't that impressed. It wasn't the bike for me. It is a nice bike, just not what I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    This is the Yeti board. Keep your filthy Titus bikes out of here...

    Yes, you are correct, I do believe that they probably had too much air in the shock. BUT - recall that wasn't the only thing that ticked me off about that bike.

    1. The paint chipped off and got scratched when anything touched it....
    2. The component choice vs. price was not inspiring whatsoever.
    3. Only 2 colors and those are non-inspiring as well.

    I really wanted to like the ML but in the end, I just wasn't that impressed. It wasn't the bike for me. It is a nice bike, just not what I was looking for.
    1. Dude! that is an outright lie, I remember, the paint chipped when you dropped a crescent wrench on it . Your opinions from this point forward are tainted!

    It is true some 2006 models had a bad batch of pc jobs. As you can see, the powder coat on mine is holding up extremely well after 14 months of use riding an average of 2 - 3x a week.

    2. You're right, the Yeti has a marginally better build for the money. But if you're like me, and only want a boutique frame so you can build your own bike the way you want it, then they are the same price.

    3. not worth a comment

    Obviously, the MotoLite was not for you. But, in my opinion you had your mind made up on the 575 before your test ride.

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    I've always wondered why Titusi and Homers cruise the Yeti boards... It's not like I cruise the Turner, Ellsworth and Titus boards... Must be because I have no envy and no need to justify to others why I dig my 575 by putting down the Motolite or 5-Spot or Epiphany or (insert trailbike name here)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    1. Dude! that is an outright lie, I remember, the paint chipped when you dropped a crescent wrench on it . Your opinions from this point forward are tainted!
    It is true some 2006 models had a bad batch of pc jobs. As you can see, the powder coat on mine is holding up extremely well after 14 months of use riding an average of 2 - 3x a week.
    You are only recalling part of the story. The crescent dropped from about 6" chipped the paint. The chain coming off put a nice gash in the paint on the chain stay. And having it touch my friends bike on the trip rubbed a dime size space completely off down to the metal. His bike apparently didn't have any paint rub and my previous bike didn't either. This paint was the suck, bigtime.

    2. You're right, the Yeti has a marginally better build for the money. But if you're like me, and only want a boutique frame so you can build your own bike the way you want it, then they are the same price.
    The Yeti build is outstanding. You seem to follow my threads well, so you must know what I bought and what I paid... It was a very good deal and if you consider that the frame along costs $1400 then I only paid $750 more for all the components and upgrades. Heck the fork alone is $400....

    3. not worth a comment
    My point was, why would Titus build a nice frame and then only offer 2 color choices? And then those colors were both along the same spectrum as well. Seemed kind of whacked to me...

    Obviously, the MotoLite was not for you. But, in my opinion you had your mind made up on the 575 before your test ride.
    Partially true. I had wanted the 575 from the first time I saw one and knew nothing about it. But my draw to the ML was mainly the more XCish build and the ability to change it to a 4" racer. Man, I liked the thought of that feature a lot. But the parts buildout stunk and that paint sent me over the edge. In the end, the 575 was the perfect bike for me. I am very pleased with it.

    I think the ML is probably a great bike too. I didn't have a happy experience but then again, the very first 575 I rode wasn't that great either... go figure.

    You have a nice build BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    I've always wondered why Titusi and Homers cruise the Yeti boards... It's not like I cruise the Turner, Ellsworth and Titus boards... Must be because I have no envy and no need to justify to others why I dig my 575 by putting down the Motolite or 5-Spot or Epiphany or (insert trailbike name here)....
    Every once in a while I type "motolite" in the search function, and for some reason the only time I see people bad-mouthing my bike is on the Yeti forum. I love my bike, and believe me have no envy -- none at all. It just annoys me to see people talk trash about something I like, especially if it's untrue.

    I'm glad you dig your bike, and really like your attitude about not putting down other peoples bikes - keep it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    I've always wondered why Titusi and Homers cruise the Yeti boards... It's not like I cruise the Turner, Ellsworth and Titus boards... Must be because I have no envy and no need to justify to others why I dig my 575 by putting down the Motolite or 5-Spot or Epiphany or (insert trailbike name here)....
    Lol.. I cruise a lot of boards. I know to don't go to a Cannondale forum and post 'Prophet suxs!', at least not unless I have some sounds reasons to do it.

    I think it's funny why some attact and defend strongly their bikes when compared to others. I really like my ML, but I think if I had other bikes from different brands I would probably like them as well. Maybe I'm not to stocked on the 575, but it's mostly because:

    1. I haven't ridden one.

    2. For a weird reason, I feel it is not strong enough. Now, this is something completely unfounded, since I don't know much about the bike, and I have really only heard good things on the bike. I don't think I would read this a lot if it was 'fragile' or something.

    Now, one thing I think that's particular when comparing bikes at this level (above $2,000) is that sometimes we're talking about price. I think bikes at this level 200 or 300 bucks are not a deciding factor if you like the frames. What I mean is, that if I had to choose 'Boutique Brand A' bike for 3,000 vs a 'Boutique Brand B' for 3,500, and I would like the 'B' bike better, I wouldn't stop for 500 bucks. Maybe when it's a 500 to 1,000 bike deal. To be honest, I'm not fightet with my bank account, but for this quality of bikes there comes more what you like than just price buying. This would be a moot point if I really liked both bikes the same, I would choose the 3,000.

    pd by the way, I like how the ML climbs It's rider the problem when I don't clear some climbs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    That's completely untrue.

    99% of the posts I've read about the MotoLite say it climbs like a goat. Check out the product review board .

    here's a quote from just the latest one:

    "The 2007 RP23 and Talas RLC ain't too shabby either, they both transform it into an ultra capable climbing machine that can really open it up on the rough and rocky descents."

    Plus, how could a bike voted "Trail Bike of the Year" by Mountain Bike and Bicycling Magazine 2 years running not climb well...

    Set-up is everything; too short a stem, or a set-back post when you don't need one can throw everything off and make any bike seem lame. Iviguy even admited he thought the shop over-infalted the shock on his test-ride.

    No doubt, the ML has a stiffer ride. It's like a BMW in that it has more road feel. But, it's been designed that way to be a great, snappy pedaler both in and out of the saddle. With my last bike I could not stand while climbing without the bike squating and consequently spinning my back tire, with the ML I stand a lot, and it's great having that option.

    Here's mine and I can tell you it climbs great and descends great.
    Hey Dulyber
    As I stated above I had no personal experience with ML climbing issues. I was stating a thread from your board about 2-3 weeks ago. I like technical climbing very much and usually try to climb everything I descend. My riding partners usualy tell me that I take the trail the wrong direction. I am very happy to say that the 575 is way better than my Bontrager on these climbs. No, I can not climb even half the climb you copied from the Turner board with the great climb photo when you dealt with the HL that was eliminated on some Turners.
    BTW you have a beautifull bike and I am sure it rides like a dearm.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    May was last time I visited the US and had a chance to look at MBA where there was a review for Titus ML.
    It will be nice if the two (ML and 575) can be scanned and posted or if sombody can summarize for similar categories. Originally I wanted the ML but never had the chance to demo. Last week I met a guy with ML on the trail and could not resist asking him to swap bikes for a while. He was not interested but was kind enough to give his bike for a very short spin. I must say that I liked the geometry and it felt lighter despite similar specs
    (TALAS, cranks, wheels...). I know however that ML has issues with climbing
    and front end is somehow light making the bike traction on steep climbs tricky (was surprised to learn that from Titus board). Sure the 575 climbs much better than my steel hardtail on any technical trail.
    My bike suspension is tunned by now and I feel more comfortable capable and confident. I only miss my HT when hammering out of the saddle and when climbing rocks/steps.
    I have a Switchblade, which shares a lot of the geometry to the ML.... the front end is light on climbs if you happen to use it at 130 plus mm of travel (think about more than 500mm a2c).

    Do I need more than 120mm when climbing? I don't think so and the issue is solved with some kind of travel adjustment or a lock down device (ETA). I guess I can count with my hands the forks nowadays that have more than 130mm travel and do not have anything to make the fork shorter... so I would call that a non issue.

    The issue was brought up by FM, who runs an AM SL (precisely a for kthat has not climbing aids) and he runs it at 140mm travel. He says he got used to it.

    I think that as much as people wants to deadmatch the ML and the 575, both are very different bikes, being the 575 a bit more for open tracks and the ML more tweaked for twisty stuff.

    At least my Switchblade is more focused on singletrack and yet a terrific trailbike. I'd get a 575 if my terrain would be a bit more open or if I would be more into hucking.

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    Look at the frame prices, looks pretty much the same to me.

    As to total bike cost, the parts spec on the motolite is totally B*tchin and pimpin as compared to the the buildup on the Yeti.

    Lets not get into a price comparison as its pretty much a wash, especially when the review is about the carbon 575 and there is no way the list is 1395 on that bike.

    As too ride and climbing ability of either bike, I agree to each their own. There is no one perfect trailbike. If there was we'd all be riding the same thing. Some like it "stiff", some like it "soft". Some like to shotgun thru their travel, some like to sip and not blow thru to the bottom.

    Yeti vs Motolite----> Pick your Poison, Ice Cream, Favorite Beer, whatever, just pick the one that turns your crank.

    Oh yeah, I agree with dulybr, Iviguy, you pretty much were going to buy a 575 long before you tested it or the motolite as your posts read, so I take your view of the motolite with a grain of salt. Paint issues, thats pretty easy to solve just pick a frame the way I do(LOL).
    But you did get a skukim deal from Will, and it shows pricing is not based on the spec from the factory, but who will sell it to you the cheapest Cheers and no offense Iviguy, just pointing out that its who you buy from that counts when it comes to pricing, not really what comes out via MSRP and OEM.

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    Frame prices are pretty close but here's the dealmaker or breaker for me. I hear how well the 575 climbs all the time- even from LBS guys who ride/race other bikes. Of course, I owned one too and I know this but I have heard many bring up the climbing issue of the ML as a negative. I'm not sure if it's the suspension/geometry or what but anyway, that would be a bummer if the bike sucked at climbing. Given those choices, the 575 takes it every time though I have hear that the ML is very pedal-efficient as well. I would love to ride one and check it out but riders here don't go well past the mass-marketed brands. I mean, I have had a couple of guys ask me if Yeti and Ventana are real brands and who makes them!!

    Since the ML comes up so often, can someone do a back-to-back comparo? I think the ride of the 5 Spot compares more to the 575 and then the X-5 as well. The ML doesn't seem to be in exactly the same league ride-wise but I'm biased so that may or may not be true.

    I did the 575 versus X-5 comparo so now someone needs to do the 5 Spot or ML versus 575 comparo.

    Now I'm not throwing in the Made in America or Handmade issue here. That would not be entirely fair to this discussion.

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    Funny!

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Frame prices are pretty close but here's the dealmaker or breaker for me. I hear how well the 575 climbs all the time- even from LBS guys who ride/race other bikes. Of course, I owned one too and I know this but I have heard many bring up the climbing issue of the ML as a negative. I'm not sure if it's the suspension/geometry or what but anyway, that would be a bummer if the bike sucked at climbing. Given those choices, the 575 takes it every time though I have hear that the ML is very pedal-efficient as well. I would love to ride one and check it out but riders here don't go well past the mass-marketed brands. I mean, I have had a couple of guys ask me if Yeti and Ventana are real brands and who makes them!!

    Since the ML comes up so often, can someone do a back-to-back comparo? I think the ride of the 5 Spot compares more to the 575 and then the X-5 as well. The ML doesn't seem to be in exactly the same league ride-wise but I'm biased so that may or may not be true.

    I did the 575 versus X-5 comparo so now someone needs to do the 5 Spot or ML versus 575 comparo.

    Now I'm not throwing in the Made in America or Handmade issue here. That would not be entirely fair to this discussion.


    I've never considered the 575 to even come close to the ML in build qulity, longevity or ride... So go figure, I mean the 575 did get bike of the year 2 years running in two diffrent mags... Oh waite! no it didn't.


    That was the Moto-Lite...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I've never considered the 575 to even come close to the ML in build qulity, longevity or ride... So go figure, I mean the 575 did get bike of the year 2 years running in two diffrent mags... Oh waite! no it didn't.


    That was the Moto-Lite...
    Right... that's all that matters... the awards...., by the way i just decided to get a 575 over a Motolite, and that's all that it is.. a matter of taste ... maybe in a year or 2, I will give Titus a try.. No bike is the "holy grail" so.. just enjoy riding them, and be open enough to see other options when the next shopping spree comes around.

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    Oh no! The Titus Nazis are invading another board! Perish the thought of someone speaking their mind about riding a Titus!

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    It's all trade offs and prefferences

    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I've never considered the 575 to even come close to the ML in build qulity, longevity or ride... So go figure, I mean the 575 did get bike of the year 2 years running in two diffrent mags... Oh waite! no it didn't.


    That was the Moto-Lite...
    When it comes to choosing your bike out off the better bikes out there, I respect other people's opinion and experience and also the magazines, but I always preffer to try myself.
    Two years ago I was contemplating a new and first FS ride. Many were talking about the wonders of Turner Burner that was selling for ~900$ at Supergo and I was tempted but wanted to check myself. I found an LBS at Santa Cruz that had a medium built and went there asap. I hated the ride no matter how helpfull the guys were and all their efforts to fine tune it. Yes, the welds were awsom but I don't care so much about the beauty of welds if I don't like the ride. It may be a great bike but it was not for me and I dropped Turner from my list since that day. Same went with the Blur that was selling like crazy back than. It took me weeks to find one bike that put a smile on my face Racer X. I demoed it at SF golden gate park (not real trail but much better than a parking lot), loved it and ordered. While I was considering the build, I realized I should test ride my Bontrager on the same trails. After trying one after the other I realized that the RX was better in some areas where my HT was better in others. I cancelled the frame order and since most of the trails I was riding at the bay area were smooth, had no regrets.
    The terrain I ride lately is much more technical but it is also different in not having tight switchbacks where the Telephatic handling of my Bontrager could not be matched (RX was close though). I found that I can trade off some handling towards better technical climbing and smoother down hills. 575 does it very well but it is not better than my Bontrager everywhere. I think all high end "one bike do it all"s out there are some good compromise. I am very happy with my choise and believe you should be happy with yours.
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    Well, each person develops a riding style that fits a bike better too. For example, to me the Racer-X is a very good XC racer. It's stiff and climbs very well. However, when I ride the ASR-SL, it just feels like a better bike. It climbs better and is more plush while accelerating unbelievabley fast. It reacts quicker than my Flux too- how it manages that, I don't know. It also fits me better and feels more centered. However, someone may prefer the feel of the Racer-X over the others. I think Titus makes solid bikes but in my head, the X-5 and Spot are far superior to the ML in every way that matter to me and the ASR-SL to the Racer X- ride-wise for sure and quality wise in Ventana's case- not even close. I have not ridden the new El Fuego though I have great expectations there. I'm almost scared to ride a racer Sherwood thinks is a rocket. I may not be worthy.

    Titus will simply have to take the 4th, 5th, or 6th place on the Podium of boutique bikes and now with Chris gone, I think they will start slipping a bit and maybe sparring even more with Ellsworth, Foes, and Intense. BTW, Ellsworth is starting to get some nice, new, bikes out there.

    But hey, being in the Top Seven or so in this company still makes Titus an amazing bike

    Oh, I almost forgot, the 575 is just a better bike. The ML needs to learn how to climb from this master to come close

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    Well, each person develops a riding style that fits a bike better too. For example, to me the Racer-X is a very good XC racer. It's stiff and climbs very well. However, when I ride the ASR-SL, it just feels like a better bike. It climbs better and is more plush while accelerating unbelievabley fast. It reacts quicker than my Flux too-
    A firend of mine agrees with you... he has the ASR-SL, a Spider and a Flux.

    He loves the ASR-SL. In his words, the only he'd buy again... he's a racer-boy. However, he'd like to try out a R-X.

    I think comparing the ASR-SL to the Flux is not even fair... very different bikes despite both having 4" of travel. The SL is a race bike, the Flux is more a trailbike. Not to wonder it would feel slow against the SL. You'd have to put the SL against a Nitrous.
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    It is real hard to know what is 100% right and wrong. Th ecompanies bike you have you are not very often going to slag off.... I have had some very bling bikes for sure, I ensure I spoil myself on bikes, believe me I do... I had a wonderful Ellsworth, and F me, it could climb like abilly goat on steroids................. I wanted to try something different, I searched and searched left right and centre. What took me to the ML, was th efact that it was more or less the only bike I could not find crap reviews about it. I thought first, come on there must be crap reviews... But really, found not in depth reviews stating poor stuff about the bike. By that rational I found it difficult reading that some one on this thread said it climbed like crap. That is a crock of poop. Not getting at you, sure it may have not climbed as well as waht you had etc, but in all hinesty and real reality, the ML does not climb like crap... And hey, I amnot just defending Titus... Take it for wha tits worth, am not at all trying to flame the Yeti board. NEVER................... Dam I love the Yeti DH bike though, that is the ducks nuts..Very indeed
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    You know, I wonder what would happen if this thread was run parallel on the Titus board.

    So the summation of the stuff here is that Titus makes good bikes. Yeti makes good bikes. They are lateral picks for those looking. The difference is which one works better for a particular rider.

    WOW! Enlightening! We needed the Titus board to come over and make this point clear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    You know, I wonder what would happen if this thread was run parallel on the Titus board.

    So the summation of the stuff here is that Titus makes good bikes. Yeti makes good bikes. They are lateral picks for those looking. The difference is which one works better for a particular rider.

    WOW! Enlightening! We needed the Titus board to come over and make this point clear!
    Dude, you are biting well today, all I am saying is I will not ever except that a ML climbs like crap, just like if someone said that about a Turner, have riddent hem enough to knwo that is bollocks, absolute bollocks, that is what they are so popular for
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    575 Vs SB/ML part XVXXXXXI

    At the risk of jumping in when the dead horse is long gone, and all that is left is a red stain where the carcass was..
    I'm coming off a euphoric weekend of riding my new 575 up in Sun Valley on its maiden outing. Finished the build Thursday at 10:00PM, and was on the trails (that I'd never seen before) early Saturday. The bike is brilliant; it doesn't whisper "go faster", it screams it in your ear, Sam Kinison style, the entire freakin ride. I'd been riding a Switchblade for three seasons, and spent a LOT of time trying to get it right for me. Never quite found nirvana. Can't fault the bike, or the quality, etc. And it did climb VERY well with a Talas on the front. Couldn't keep the front end down without it though, so I think the 575 is a tiny bit better in that regard, even though I'm running a shorter stem on the 575. For my style of riding, sleeve length, I.Q., whatever, the Yeti just works better. I think it is the subtle differences in geometry/ETT and rear suspension design. No disrespect to the Titus, as it is a nice machine, and never gave me a lick of trouble, but the 575 is the better choice for me. I'd fully agree with those that have suggested you have to ride them both, properly setup for you, on the trails you are going to ride. I was able to back to back my SB and then the 575 with similar builds to really make an educated choice. BTW, the Yeti guys at the demo in Park City did a GREAT job of setting up the demo machine to match my current bike, so I'd really endorse hitting one of their demo days.

    Besides, you can't get a Titus in Team Turquoise, so what good is it? ;->

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    Actually, I like it when owners of otherbikes show up and provide good comparison info here or on other boards.

    Regarding my ASR-SL versus Flux comment, I was simply making a point. I mean, the Flux is a really nimble and fast bike and I really liked my first ride. It's just that the ASR-SL is one accomplished racer but it's feel and geometry still make it a great trailbike. The Nitrous would be a more fair comparison but with it's weight limit and inability to be a practical trail bike, it can't play the racer and trailbike game that the ASR-SL plays at such a high level. It's a different overlap for the Flux and I like it a lot but still have a few rides to provide a good comparo or review.

    By the way, I don't think the ML "climbs like crap" at all. Comparing any similar bike to the 575, which has a reputation for being a great climber, is going to be complicated. I am somewhat sure, however, that it doesn't climb as well as the 575. I will keep an eye out for one to ride but like I implied earlier, running into a ML rider will be a miracle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Dude, you are biting well today, all I am saying is I will not ever except that a ML climbs like crap, just like if someone said that about a Turner, have riddent hem enough to knwo that is bollocks, absolute bollocks, that is what they are so popular for
    Interesting use of words.

    See, now there's quite a direct comparison between Ventana and Turner that goes back and forth. One thing that puts them in the same league is their focus on stiffness and durability. They are both phenomenal bike lines, but some have said they went from Turner to Ventana, while others have gone from Ventana to Turner. Why? Simply because little nuances made a big difference for their type of riding. Hard feelings? Not at all because there is plenty of business to go around for everyone.

    So skip to a Yeti being compared to a Vyatek Motolite and all hell breaks loose! The boys must launch a nighttime offensive on a holy day against the evil Yetifan board! They must invade and speak on the YETI board about why Yeti bikes suck and why Vyatek's Motolite will beat the snot out of a 575 (mind you, the quality of the rider, as well as the possibility the buyer simply would want to buy a bike that feels right has no bearing in this discussion). Perish the thought about bad publicity for Vyatek!!! The troops must roll in and defend! I'm even surprised you guys didn't use the line, "Yeah, but the Motolite is made in the good 'ole USA!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    They must invade and speak on the YETI board about why Yeti bikes suck and why Vyatek's Motolite will beat the snot out of a 575 (mind you, the quality of the rider, as well as the possibility the buyer simply would want to buy a bike that feels right has no bearing in this discussion).
    God!, Jerk you really are full of yourself. As annoying as Zion Rasta is, at least he's funny. You're just an agitator, and your post are inflammatory and have no redeeming quality. Nobody ever said anything bad about Yeti or the 575. So stop trying to start something that isn't even there.

    I jumped in here because I read something that is totally untrue, and I felt that it was only fair to those people who were thinking about buying a MotoLite that I set the matter straight.

    The MotoLite DOES NOT CLIMB POORLY!!! In fact when I'm on it, it climbs awesome. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying is climbs better than the 575. How could I, I haven't ridden it. But, for people to say that it climbs worse (Flyer) when they haven't even ridden the bike is complete horse sh!t.

    But, I did figure it out. The only reason I can think of that a couple of people posted negatively about the way the MotoLite climbs is because of the high bottom bracket; and noobs hate high bottom brackets (until they get used to them). Most experienced riders prefer the extra clearance, but it does take some getting used to. The geometry of the two bikes is just too similar otherwise for there to be any other explanation. And, the difference in the suspension wouldn't explain it either -- both of the highest quality. No, it must be the bottom bracket; the difference is about 9mm at sag, and for a rider coming off of a hard tail, or new to riding this must feel like walking a tight rope...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    God!, Jerk you really are full of yourself. As annoying as Zion Rasta is, at least he's funny. You're just an agitator, and your post are inflammatory and have no redeeming quality. Nobody ever said anything bad about Yeti or the 575. So stop trying to start something that isn't even there.

    I jumped in here because I read something that is totally untrue, and I felt that it was only fair to those people who were thinking about buying a MotoLite that I set the matter straight.

    The MotoLite DOES NOT CLIMB POORLY!!! In fact when I'm on it, it climbs awesome. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying is climbs better than the 575. How could I, I haven't ridden it. But, for people to say that it climbs worse (Flyer) when they haven't even ridden the bike is complete horse sh!t.

    But, I did figure it out. The only reason I can think of that a couple of people posted negatively about the way the MotoLite climbs is because of the high bottom bracket; and noobs hate high bottom brackets (until they get used to them). Most experienced riders prefer the extra clearance, but it does take some getting used to. The geometry of the two bikes is just too similar otherwise for there to be any other explanation. And, the difference in the suspension wouldn't explain it either -- both of the highest quality. No, it must be the bottom bracket; the difference is about 9mm at sag, and for a rider coming off of a hard tail, or new to riding this must feel like walking a tight rope...
    I somehow agree with JC here. It's a weird turn of events that the original post was about a MBA review on the 575 Carbon turned to a 575 vs Moto Lite argument.

    I expect to find in a manufacturer forum more people liking that bikes than other brands. I find it normal that people at the Yeti forum prefer the 575 vs the ML, and I would expect to find in the Turner forum to find people prefering the 5 Spot vs 575 or ML.

    Ok, I think that on the part that some people have got the impression on the Titus board that the ML climbs poorly, it's fine to say that it's a wrong misconseption. As my conception of the 575 as being weak (which was corrected when I saw a 575 live ). But I think that some things are heating up a bit.

    Also, on the price comparison, I think that both FRAMES are priced at virtually the same amount. But Yeti offers a better build kit that Titus. If one would buy only the frame, and then the components, he/she wouldv'e spent the same amount of cash. But when going for built kits, I think that Yeti offers more for the money. Or maybe similar for less money.

    Even then, I say that for bikes at this price, I think that getting the bike one would like was more important than some money in the bank. What I mean is, if I were considering a 575 or a ML with the mfr build kit, I would buy a ML even if it would be a little more expensive, because personally I like more the ML to the 575. And if the prices were inverted, I still would go to a ML and have some money in the bank. And I think this is what Iviguy did, compared both bikes, and bought the one that for him speaked sweeter.

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    My assumption was an educated guess since every review and every rider of the 575 mentions it's climbing abilities. However, since I have heard negative things about the ML's climbing abilities, it stands to reason that there is a much better chance the 575 is a better climber. If that logic is horse $hit, then either you or I need to re-evaluate our definition of horse $hit- chances are that it's you

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    Why is it that....

    Jerk_Chicken only gets involved on other boards when he sees the opportunity to get a few jabs in at people that believe in the product that they spend their hard earned cash on??? I believe he has some deep rooted personal problems and he just trolls to "kick the dog". He always posts some inflamatory jab at some one and then tries to say that his intentions were not derogatory. JC just mind your own business, didnt your mother ever tell you that "If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all"?? I know we are sick of you on the Titus board, I'm sure the Yeti board has had about enough now too.

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    4 inch fork

    The Motolite was designed around a 4 inch fork, that is why the geometry table for a "100mm" fork was the only thing posted on the URL until just recently. I just spent a couple of rides with a four inch fork on mine and it climbs awesome. Because the rear is adjustable between 4 and 5 inches people started putting 5 inch forks on them and running them 5x5. With a 5 inch fork, you have to find the right stem length/height to dial in the feel of the front end on steep climbs. If you pop a 5 inch fork in their, fill up the uncut steerer tube with spacers and pop a 90 stem on their it would probably feel a little light in the front end. I'm sure that has happened and scared a few riders away.

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    I like Titus bikes and do enjoy pulling Jerk Chick's chain a bit too but yeah, if you're coming here to cut down the venerable 575, you should be better armed

    Mountain bikers prob argue more here than anywhere. On the trail, I only meet the nicest guys. Now I can't say the same about some of those bloody Roadies- really

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    I jumped in here because I read something that is totally untrue, and I felt that it was only fair to those people who were thinking about buying a MotoLite that I set the matter straight.
    Oh no! Someone didn't share the same EXACT experience on the ML as you, so it must be untrue! Perhaps it wasn't the bike for them!?!

    The MotoLite DOES NOT CLIMB POORLY!!! In fact when I'm on it, it climbs awesome. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying is climbs better than the 575. How could I, I haven't ridden it. But, for people to say that it climbs worse (Flyer) when they haven't even ridden the bike is complete horse sh!t.
    Again, the Titus Nazis can't deal with the fact that not 100% of the people that try a Vyatek will think it's ideal for them!

    But, I did figure it out. The only reason I can think of that a couple of people posted negatively about the way the MotoLite climbs is because of the high bottom bracket; and noobs hate high bottom brackets (until they get used to them). Most experienced riders prefer the extra clearance, but it does take some getting used to. The geometry of the two bikes is just too similar otherwise for there to be any other explanation. And, the difference in the suspension wouldn't explain it either -- both of the highest quality. No, it must be the bottom bracket; the difference is about 9mm at sag, and for a rider coming off of a hard tail, or new to riding this must feel like walking a tight rope...
    Of course, so anyone that doesn't like the ML is a noob and isn't experienced in the fine art of manhandling a bike that might not be for them. Gotcha

    God forbid, setup, tires, equipment, rider geometry, suspension dynamics, terrain differs from what you know. Really. How about you tell people to use the tires that work in your region in theirs?

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