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    Good job! Is this the lightest Yeti 575???

    Now my Yeti 575 is built.

    My focus was set to leightweigt parts where they make sense and had no impact to the riding potential of the bike.

    The result is nice, isnt't it?

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    Facts:

    Size: L
    Weight: 11,5 kg / 25,4 lbs (with 2.4 Tires)

    This is absolutely the best bike i ever had. And i had much bikes in the past...

    Regards from Switzerland

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    congrats!

    Beautifull bike!.
    How did you get so light?.
    Please post your build spec and attache weights if you can.
    Mine is a medium with Talas upfront so I started lighter than you (unless black is lighter than white ). I went light wheels cranks saddle and handlebar. The only "heavy" part on my build is the juicy 7's (that also required a DT adaptor disk at 20g x 2).
    Yet your bike is more than a kg lighter (mine is 12.6kg).
    How did you do this magic?

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    I will post more pictures and the parts list soon. I will be away this weekend so i post the stuff next week...

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    Lightest 575?

    Wow, that is is light!

    I wonder if the Anno frame is lighter than a painted frame?

    According to Yeti you could save another half pound with a carbon rear but I just can't see it myself!

    Mine weighs just under 26 lbs

    I am on Crossmax SL wheels [same tires but 2.25] and Thomson stem/post, also Fox talas XTT fork - otherwise mine is the same as yours.

    I think yours must be the lightest you can go without sacrificing strength and handling.

    Congrats'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaser
    Wow, that is is light!

    I wonder if the Anno frame is lighter than a painted frame?

    According to Yeti you could save another half pound with a carbon rear but I just can't see it myself!

    Mine weighs just under 26 lbs

    I am on Crossmax SL wheels [same tires but 2.25] and Thomson stem/post, also Fox talas XTT fork - otherwise mine is the same as yours.

    I think yours must be the lightest you can go without sacrificing strength and handling.

    Congrats'

    Chaser.
    Hey Chaser
    I figured out you ride the Crossmax SL but I think it only saves 150gr compared to my 819 with XTR?. Where else can you save?. Got carbon handlebar ,XT cranks, very light saddle and tires are 2.1 at 540gr and no tubes. Oh well I have at least 1 pound of sealant in my tires. Can not ride without sealant here since we have special thorns (folks calls them ninjas) that will flat you couple of times every ride. You don't have those I guess. I did not flat for 3 years with regular tubes on bay area trails but it is different now.
    Other than the sealant, are there any more ideas where to save weight?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Facts:

    Size: L
    Weight: 11,5 kg / 25,4 lbs (with 2.4 Tires)
    Great looking bike, but are you sure about that weight? Seems really low to me. I have a L with RP3 and Pike 454 UTurn Air as well, and mine is 29.9lbs.

    I'm sure you are saving some weight in tires/wheels as I have a Kenda 2.35 tires on mine and DT5.1/Hadley wheels. Other parts on mine are:

    Thomson Masterpiece seatpost
    FSA carbon bar
    Thomson x4 stem
    eggbeater S pedals
    XTR crankset (with Ti Cogs)
    SRAM x.9 shifters & der.
    SRAM 990 cassette
    991 chain

    Regardless of the weight, I love mine they are great bikes.

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    I see a triple ring up front, no 29/44 or single 32...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    Great looking bike, but are you sure about that weight? Seems really low to me.
    Yea I'm going to agree... it's gotta be at least 27 lbs.
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    Bull

    I call bull pucky, it doesn't make you cool to have a light bike. It really doesn't make you cool to lie about it.

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    575 Weight?

    Hey Green Bonty,
    I can send you the list of component weights if you are interested....I have it all.
    Of course, not all weighing equipment will give the same result, so some will always be lighter / heavier.
    If I was obsessed with weight I would have gone for the ASR but I prefer the do-it-all nature of the 575 - you can go so much quicker downhill with all that plush travel.
    I am sure I have read that paint will add about 200 - 250g somewhere - I have the anno frame so maybe there is a saving there.
    Hope you managed to sort your front mech'
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    Hey Trail Nazi,
    Don't worry about it, it's only a bike!
    Cheers Chaser.

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    Sorry Green Bonty, just realised it was Big Jim with the front Mech problem - must go to bed, very tired!
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    I have a painted '05 frame w/RP3.
    Thomson post
    RF stem
    RF evolve crank set
    Pike (coil, 3.6 lbs)
    819's with Kenda Nevegal 2.35's

    26.5 lbs!



    -just stirring the pot so to speak...

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    pike coil at 3.6??

    I thought pike was heavier than Revelation which is 4.1 I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride
    I have a painted '05 frame w/RP3.
    Thomson post
    RF stem
    RF evolve crank set
    Pike (coil, 3.6 lbs)
    819's with Kenda Nevegal 2.35's

    26.5 lbs!



    -just stirring the pot so to speak...
    Dude, that's light with a Pike (how did you get the Pike that light?)!
    Mine is right at 27lbs with a Revelation, XTR wheelset and 2.35 Stick-E BG and Mutano 2.4 rear!

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    lightness....

    is a crutch.....
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    Piffle! Lightness can (note the use of the word can) be the difference between a bike that rides like a slug and makes every hillclimb a nightmare and a bike that feels nimble, quick to accellerate, fast to change direction and easy to crest hills on.

    Provided that the low weight build doesn't come at the expense of rideability or appropriateness for the task at hand I think shedding a few pounds off the rig (especially in the area of tyres, tubes rims or in places that give you a higher centre of gravity such as bars, stem, saddle and seatpost) is fine.

    I draw the line where folks build up rigs with wheelsets that are fragile, tyres that won't grip on the sort of trails they ride, stems and bars that snap or are too narrow to give them good control, forks with half of the damping internals removed. Lightness for lightness sake alone is a strange goal, especially when taken to extreme.

    In moderation and where appropriate, the pursuit of lightness can make a good bike a great bike.

    My 2.7 cents... (damn exchange rate!)

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    Good try Bro...

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Now my Yeti 575 is built.

    My focus was set to leightweigt parts where they make sense and had no impact to the riding potential of the bike.

    The result is nice, isnt't it?




    Facts:

    Size: L
    Weight: 11,5 kg / 25,4 lbs (with 2.4 Tires)

    This is absolutely the best bike i ever had. And i had much bikes in the past...

    Regards from Switzerland

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    So did you take the wheels off to weigh the bike?
    I would say is no less than 27lbs. I had pussier and lighter parts than you did on my 575 and (fox rlc, velocity/laser disc lite wheels, carbon bar, xtr crank) and it was 27.lbs.

    In the all mountain world your bike is light if it is 27 to 35lbs. My buddys 6-pack is 33lbs, and my spot is like 28lbs and we smoked everyone on the trail today. Yes, all 22lbs hard tails included.

    A "light-25lbs" all mountain bike is an oxymoron.
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zion Rasta
    So did you take the wheels off to weigh the bike?
    I would say is no less than 27lbs. I had pussier and lighter parts than you did on my 575 and (fox rlc, velocity/laser disc lite wheels, carbon bar, xtr crank) and it was 27.lbs.

    In the all mountain world your bike is light if it is 27 to 35lbs. My buddys 6-pack is 33lbs, and my spot is like 28lbs and <b>we smoked everyone on the trail today</b>. Yes, all 22lbs hard tails included.

    A "light-25lbs" all mountain bike is an oxymoron.
    Mighty nice of you, most have carried more than a dime baggy then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratt
    Mighty nice of you, most have carried more than a dime baggy then
    Sorry, I forgot a preposition - with....

    we smoked with everyone in the trail . Including the all the 22lbs the rasta guy in the hardtail was carrying.

    Jah Live!

    Sorry I got carried away on my comments, but you got the point. 25lbs on a yet 575 - That is more of a Davide useless bike than anything else. It makes me think of the fat guy on the miata.
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    flipnidaho's 575 is pretty damn light. But then again he has a small!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride
    Pike (coil, 3.6 lbs)
    Closer to 5.6 than 3.6. My air Pike is over 4lbs, coil is even heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    Closer to 5.6 than 3.6. My air Pike is over 4lbs, coil is even heavier.
    Pike 454 Air U-Turn without Poplock is 4.72 pounds including Maxle.

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    No good Let's do it

    Quote Originally Posted by Zion Rasta
    So did you take the wheels off to weigh the bike?
    I would say is no less than 27lbs. I had pussier and lighter parts than you did on my 575 and (fox rlc, velocity/laser disc lite wheels, carbon bar, xtr crank) and it was 27.lbs.

    In the all mountain world your bike is light if it is 27 to 35lbs. My buddys 6-pack is 33lbs, and my spot is like 28lbs and we smoked everyone on the trail today. Yes, all 22lbs hard tails included.

    A "light-25lbs" all mountain bike is an oxymoron.
    Ok, you "i know everything" man. Tell me only one part you have on your 575 that is lighter than mine!!!

    I'm waiting....

    To all. Why should i lie about the weight? I'm not stupid...what's wrong with you guys?

    The question is, what is your riding style. I agree this 575 is no hardcore freerider. I do not need that. In Switzerland, we have hight mountains. I'm doing long epic rides and singletrails. And for this, my 575 is one of the best bikes on the planet.

    I will post the partslist, weights and more pictures soon...

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    Try helium in your tires!

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Ok, you "i know everything" man. Tell me only one part you have on your 575 that is lighter than mine!!!

    I'm waiting....

    To all. Why should i lie about the weight? I'm not stupid...what's wrong with you guys?

    The question is, what is your riding style. I agree this 575 is no hardcore freerider. I do not need that. In Switzerland, we have hight mountains. I'm doing long epic rides and singletrails. And for this, my 575 is one of the best bikes on the planet.

    I will post the partslist, weights and more pictures soon...
    Hey Maettu,
    I do not think you are lying.
    My bike is just under 26lbs and I can see where you have some lighter stuff than me.
    I too have a parts list with all the weights if the sceptics would like to see.
    I wonder if we should inflate our tires with Helium???!!! It might not make them much lighter but yours would float with those 2.4's!
    I have also seen ASR's that weigh 22lbs and if you think about it, the ASR frame is only 1 lb lighter than the 575 frame and a 130mm fork might be 1lb heavier than a 100mm fork.
    That would make a 575, 2 lbs heavier than an ASR at 22 lbs - so in theory a 24lb 575 would be possible.
    Please remember everyone, we are not in the Yeti forum to argue with each other. We all love Yeti's and are here to share our experience and help each other.
    Maettu, I very much enjoyed your 'lightest 575' post and the pics [even if yours is lighter than mine!]
    I still recon anno finish must be lighter than paint.
    Enjoy your 575.
    Chaser.

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    Idea! Yeti 575 parts/weight list

    Yo,

    here is the parts list from my light Yeti 575.

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    As you can see, some parts are extreme light. For example, the saddle is only 62 grams!

    I hope you guys believes me now...

    The pictures (with the scale too) comes soon...

    Regards from switzerland

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    Well done Matt, no one can argue with that now can they?

    Regards form UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Yo,

    here is the parts list from my light Yeti 575.

    yetiparts.jpg

    As you can see, some parts are extreme light. For example, the saddle is only 62 grams!

    I hope you guys believes me now...

    The pictures (with the scale too) comes soon...

    Regards from switzerland

    mat
    Matt. You did an amazing reaserch and definitly an out of the box thinking/unique build!.
    I was not familiar with many parts you chose.
    Enjoy your ride and tell us what you think of this build.
    As much as it depends on me, you got the title of "lightest 575".
    I will be even happier if this 575 turns into the lightest 5" real trail bike.
    Regards
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    Oh wow, that would be a fun bike to ride. Good job!! It's nice to see 575 built on each end of the spectrum. This really highlights the versatility of the frame.

    Also, don't mind the guys here. They tend to be skeptics sometimes, especially if you're not a regular here. On the other hand, they're a good bunch after a few mugs of coffee and even though I don't have a 575 anymore, I still show up. However, a white 575 (used to have a black Ano) feels like it's calling my name. I guess once you're in the Tribe, it's impossible to wash off the colors for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    My focus was set to leightweigt parts where they make sense and had no impact to the riding potential of the bike.
    I guess this is the part that just doesn't make sense to me. I mean the wheelset is the part of the bike that has the most "impact to riding potential of the bike." And, you have the lightest weight race wheelset available today. Plus, I'd be curious to see how that stem feels (flexes) paired up with a stiff-ass fork like the Pike.

    That's the part that threw me, the Pike is almost five pounds; stiff and heavy. But, mixed with a flexy/fragile/narrow wheelset I just don't see the advantage over a Fox Float, which could have saved you almost another pound! That and the fact for 2.4 tires those Schwalbes are really freakin' light! I just wonder how those wide tires are going to get along with such narrow rims. I would think the sidewalls would roll-over while laying into a turn.

    But hey, if you're a light rider and it rides well for you then more power to ya!

    Sorry for doubting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    Dude, that's light with a Pike (how did you get the Pike that light?)!
    Mine is right at 27lbs with a Revelation, XTR wheelset and 2.35 Stick-E BG and Mutano 2.4 rear!
    I was being completely sarcastic. Sorry. Emotion doesn't translate well on the net.
    I have never weighed my bike. I'll bet it's 30lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    I thought pike was heavier than Revelation which is 4.1 I believe.
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    My Pike Coil is close to or at 5lbs. I was just trying to be contraversial, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    Closer to 5.6 than 3.6. My air Pike is over 4lbs, coil is even heavier.

    After a few days away from this forum I see my toungue in cheek comments about my bike were taken too seriously I was just 'stirring the pot' like I noted..

    yes my pike is about 5lbs.(and worth every ounce I might add). The bike is maybe 30lbs, maybe 31, i don't know. For my riding style the weight is pro not a con, more often than not.

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    That's interesting...

    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    I guess this is the part that just doesn't make sense to me. I mean the wheelset is the part of the bike that has the most "impact to riding potential of the bike." And, you have the lightest weight race wheelset available today. Plus, I'd be curious to see how that stem feels (flexes) paired up with a stiff-ass fork like the Pike.

    That's the part that threw me, the Pike is almost five pounds; stiff and heavy. But, mixed with a flexy/fragile/narrow wheelset I just don't see the advantage over a Fox Float, which could have saved you almost another pound! That and the fact for 2.4 tires those Schwalbes are really freakin' light! I just wonder how those wide tires are going to get along with such narrow rims. I would think the sidewalls would roll-over while laying into a turn.

    But hey, if you're a light rider and it rides well for you then more power to ya!

    Sorry for doubting.
    That's an interesting point. The wheelset is light, that's true. But you assume that a light wheelset is not stiff. I think this is not generally true. The question if a wheelset is stiff or not does not depend of how heavy or light the rim is. It's a question of spoke tension. DT Swiss Spokes, especially the aerolight spokes allows you a extreme high spoke tension. Unfortunently the aerolights are very expensive. But the revolution is good as well. The Crossmax Wheelset has a bad stiffness because mavic uses alu spokes who can not pulled so hard. By the way, the Crossmax aren't that light...

    I hate soft wheels, they are bad for the bike...

    These wheels are very stiff, i promise...

    In one point, you're right. The rim is small. But the tire stays where they should stay. I'm
    70 kg so that's no problem.

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    Good job! More pictures

    Rear wheel with FRM unirotor disk.
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    FRM crank
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    FRM seatpost with Becker saddle
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    front section
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    front wheel with tune 20mm hub
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    Give this guy an ASR-SL and he will show you a 22 lb FS Racer

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    Yea, 70kg (154lbs) is pretty light.

    You're right, tension is the key when it comes to wheel stiffness. From what I understand the Stans ZTRs can't take much in the way of tension. Not sure how much tension Revolution spokes can take, but I have to imagine that a spoke not recommend for disc brake use would have a lower tension limit. This actually makes them a good match. There’s no point in having a heavy spoke with a light rim since you can't take advantage of the higher tension a heavy spoke affords.

    I don't want to knock your build. For you it sounds perfect. I'm sure there are those that could look at my build and find things that don't make sense to them. Some people might think my UST wheels and tires don't make sense.

    I think many people mistakenly think the Pike is about the same weight as a Fox Talas and go with it since it is much more fork for only about a 150g penalty. But, the weights for the Pike on the SRAM website are wrong, it's actually about 340g penalty for the U-Turn air version w/o poplock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    Yea, 70kg (154lbs) is pretty light.

    You're right, tension is the key when it comes to wheel stiffness. From what I understand the Stans ZTRs can't take much in the way of tension. Not sure how much tension Revolution spokes can take, but I have to imagine that a spoke not recommend for disc brake use would have a lower tension limit. This actually makes them a good match. There’s no point in having a heavy spoke with a light rim since you can't take advantage of the higher tension a heavy spoke affords.

    I don't want to knock your build. For you it sounds perfect. I'm sure there are those that could look at my build and find things that don't make sense to them. Some people might think my UST wheels and tires don't make sense.

    I think many people mistakenly think the Pike is about the same weight as a Fox Talas and go with it since it is much more fork for only about a 150g penalty. But, the weights for the Pike on the SRAM website are wrong, it's actually about 340g penalty for the U-Turn air version w/o poplock.
    That's right. The pike is heavier than expected because of the maxle. The weight on the sram website is without maxle. And the maxle is about 200g. That's a bad mistake from sram. People assume that the pike is as light as the revelation but it 'isn't. The other point is that the pike is the very best fork i ever had. To get such a steering precision and stiffness i take this weight panalty without beeing sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    That's right. The pike is heavier than expected because of the maxle. The weight on the sram website is without maxle. And the maxle is about 200g. That's a bad mistake from sram. People assume that the pike is as light as the revelation but it 'isn't. The other point is that the pike is the very best fork i ever had. To get such a steering precision and stiffness i take this weight panalty without beeing sad.
    I've got a Pike Air U-turn on the way myself. Glad to hear it's working out for you.

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    That's incredible! Marvelous!

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    ok here is one....

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Ok, you "i know everything" man. Tell me only one part you have on your 575 that is lighter than mine!!!

    I'm waiting....

    To all. Why should i lie about the weight? I'm not stupid...what's wrong with you guys?

    The question is, what is your riding style. I agree this 575 is no hardcore freerider. I do not need that. In Switzerland, we have hight mountains. I'm doing long epic rides and singletrails. And for this, my 575 is one of the best bikes on the planet.

    I will post the partslist, weights and more pictures soon...
    how about your pike vs my fox rlc?
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Is that a road stem?

    [quote=maettu]Rear wheel with FRM unirotor disk.
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    Hey, why dont you bring your yeti 575 to your next road ride in america. I will be riding my equally light 16lbs. s-works road bike. That way we will be like twins.....

    I think you and I have about the same weight parts on our bikes.

    My daughter's diamondback (12" wheels and pink) is about 2X the weight of yours and she can bunny hop an ant. She is 2yrs. old...... oh and she weights the same as my turner spot 27.5 lbs.
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Congratulations on accomplishing your goal of a lightweight 575. I was also very skeptical of your initial weight, but it looks like you have done your homework.

    You use a number of parts that I wouldn't, but that is just personal taste... except for that saddle. How long can you ride on that thing?

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    Beautiful bike and parts I don't see around here, thanks. Personally I'd like to see some pics of those trails, I've been thinkin about an mtb trip to the Alps or the Dolomites.
    Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Ok, you "i know everything" man. Tell me only one part you have on your 575 that is lighter than mine!!!

    I'm waiting....

    To all. Why should i lie about the weight? I'm not stupid...what's wrong with you guys?

    The question is, what is your riding style. I agree this 575 is no hardcore freerider. I do not need that. In Switzerland, we have hight mountains. I'm doing long epic rides and singletrails. And for this, my 575 is one of the best bikes on the planet.

    I will post the partslist, weights and more pictures soon...

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    [QUOTE=Zion Rasta]
    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Rear wheel with FRM unirotor disk.
    DSC01100.JPG

    Hey, why dont you bring your yeti 575 to your next road ride in america. I will be riding my equally light 16lbs. s-works road bike. That way we will be like twins.....

    I think you and I have about the same weight parts on our bikes.

    My daughter's diamondback (12" wheels and pink) is about 2X the weight of yours and she can bunny hop an ant. She is 2yrs. old...... oh and she weights the same as my turner spot 27.5 lbs.
    Seriously Zion you are a riot!

    Please stay off your meds...I enjoy your posts too much.

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    Good job! Biketrails...

    Quote Originally Posted by Straymark
    Beautiful bike and parts I don't see around here, thanks. Personally I'd like to see some pics of those trails, I've been thinkin about an mtb trip to the Alps or the Dolomites.
    Mark
    I have some trailpics on my website. If you like, check it out...

    Pics from a Swiss/Italian Alps Biketour
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB_Abart/index1.html

    Pics from the south french area (Ardèche)
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB...he/index1.html

    Pics from the french mountains (Vogesen)
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB...en/index1.html

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    Good job! I do...

    [QUOTE=Zion Rasta]
    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Rear wheel with FRM unirotor disk.
    DSC01100.JPG

    Hey, why dont you bring your yeti 575 to your next road ride in america. I will be riding my equally light 16lbs. s-works road bike. That way we will be like twins.....

    I think you and I have about the same weight parts on our bikes.

    My daughter's diamondback (12" wheels and pink) is about 2X the weight of yours and she can bunny hop an ant. She is 2yrs. old...... oh and she weights the same as my turner spot 27.5 lbs.
    Hey Zion Rasta,

    I will bring the Yeti to america the first of september to ride the whole colorado trail. We carry all the baggage with us....

    If you can hold my rear wheel, you can ride with us some miles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Yo,

    here is the parts list from my light Yeti 575.

    As you can see, some parts are extreme light. For example, the saddle is only 62 grams!

    I hope you guys believes me now...

    The pictures (with the scale too) comes soon...

    Regards from switzerland

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    Impressive! But why in the world are you running tubes with the Stans rims? You could go tubeless and save a couple more grams I would imagine.

    The light wheels and tires are where you are saving the most weight. Great looking bike. Looks almost like mine... But mine is a hefty 28.8lbs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    That's an interesting point. The wheelset is light, that's true. But you assume that a light wheelset is not stiff. I think this is not generally true. The question if a wheelset is stiff or not does not depend of how heavy or light the rim is. It's a question of spoke tension. DT Swiss Spokes, especially the aerolight spokes allows you a extreme high spoke tension. Unfortunently the aerolights are very expensive. But the revolution is good as well. The Crossmax Wheelset has a bad stiffness because mavic uses alu spokes who can not pulled so hard. By the way, the Crossmax aren't that light...

    I hate soft wheels, they are bad for the bike...

    These wheels are very stiff, i promise...

    In one point, you're right. The rim is small. But the tire stays where they should stay. I'm
    70 kg so that's no problem.
    Yeah, the Stan's rims are amazing really. Even tubeless the tire with really low pressures will stay put on that rim. I say go tubeless on those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    I have some trailpics on my website. If you like, check it out...

    Pics from a Swiss/Italian Alps Biketour
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB_Abart/index1.html

    Pics from the south french area (Ardèche)
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB...he/index1.html

    Pics from the french mountains (Vogesen)
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB...en/index1.html
    Spectacular!

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