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    Good job! Is this the lightest Yeti 575???

    Now my Yeti 575 is built.

    My focus was set to leightweigt parts where they make sense and had no impact to the riding potential of the bike.

    The result is nice, isnt't it?

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    Facts:

    Size: L
    Weight: 11,5 kg / 25,4 lbs (with 2.4 Tires)

    This is absolutely the best bike i ever had. And i had much bikes in the past...

    Regards from Switzerland

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    congrats!

    Beautifull bike!.
    How did you get so light?.
    Please post your build spec and attache weights if you can.
    Mine is a medium with Talas upfront so I started lighter than you (unless black is lighter than white ). I went light wheels cranks saddle and handlebar. The only "heavy" part on my build is the juicy 7's (that also required a DT adaptor disk at 20g x 2).
    Yet your bike is more than a kg lighter (mine is 12.6kg).
    How did you do this magic?

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    I will post more pictures and the parts list soon. I will be away this weekend so i post the stuff next week...

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    Lightest 575?

    Wow, that is is light!

    I wonder if the Anno frame is lighter than a painted frame?

    According to Yeti you could save another half pound with a carbon rear but I just can't see it myself!

    Mine weighs just under 26 lbs

    I am on Crossmax SL wheels [same tires but 2.25] and Thomson stem/post, also Fox talas XTT fork - otherwise mine is the same as yours.

    I think yours must be the lightest you can go without sacrificing strength and handling.

    Congrats'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaser
    Wow, that is is light!

    I wonder if the Anno frame is lighter than a painted frame?

    According to Yeti you could save another half pound with a carbon rear but I just can't see it myself!

    Mine weighs just under 26 lbs

    I am on Crossmax SL wheels [same tires but 2.25] and Thomson stem/post, also Fox talas XTT fork - otherwise mine is the same as yours.

    I think yours must be the lightest you can go without sacrificing strength and handling.

    Congrats'

    Chaser.
    Hey Chaser
    I figured out you ride the Crossmax SL but I think it only saves 150gr compared to my 819 with XTR?. Where else can you save?. Got carbon handlebar ,XT cranks, very light saddle and tires are 2.1 at 540gr and no tubes. Oh well I have at least 1 pound of sealant in my tires. Can not ride without sealant here since we have special thorns (folks calls them ninjas) that will flat you couple of times every ride. You don't have those I guess. I did not flat for 3 years with regular tubes on bay area trails but it is different now.
    Other than the sealant, are there any more ideas where to save weight?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Facts:

    Size: L
    Weight: 11,5 kg / 25,4 lbs (with 2.4 Tires)
    Great looking bike, but are you sure about that weight? Seems really low to me. I have a L with RP3 and Pike 454 UTurn Air as well, and mine is 29.9lbs.

    I'm sure you are saving some weight in tires/wheels as I have a Kenda 2.35 tires on mine and DT5.1/Hadley wheels. Other parts on mine are:

    Thomson Masterpiece seatpost
    FSA carbon bar
    Thomson x4 stem
    eggbeater S pedals
    XTR crankset (with Ti Cogs)
    SRAM x.9 shifters & der.
    SRAM 990 cassette
    991 chain

    Regardless of the weight, I love mine they are great bikes.

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    I see a triple ring up front, no 29/44 or single 32...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    Great looking bike, but are you sure about that weight? Seems really low to me.
    Yea I'm going to agree... it's gotta be at least 27 lbs.
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    Bull

    I call bull pucky, it doesn't make you cool to have a light bike. It really doesn't make you cool to lie about it.

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    575 Weight?

    Hey Green Bonty,
    I can send you the list of component weights if you are interested....I have it all.
    Of course, not all weighing equipment will give the same result, so some will always be lighter / heavier.
    If I was obsessed with weight I would have gone for the ASR but I prefer the do-it-all nature of the 575 - you can go so much quicker downhill with all that plush travel.
    I am sure I have read that paint will add about 200 - 250g somewhere - I have the anno frame so maybe there is a saving there.
    Hope you managed to sort your front mech'
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    Hey Trail Nazi,
    Don't worry about it, it's only a bike!
    Cheers Chaser.

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    Sorry Green Bonty, just realised it was Big Jim with the front Mech problem - must go to bed, very tired!
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    I have a painted '05 frame w/RP3.
    Thomson post
    RF stem
    RF evolve crank set
    Pike (coil, 3.6 lbs)
    819's with Kenda Nevegal 2.35's

    26.5 lbs!



    -just stirring the pot so to speak...

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    pike coil at 3.6??

    I thought pike was heavier than Revelation which is 4.1 I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride
    I have a painted '05 frame w/RP3.
    Thomson post
    RF stem
    RF evolve crank set
    Pike (coil, 3.6 lbs)
    819's with Kenda Nevegal 2.35's

    26.5 lbs!



    -just stirring the pot so to speak...
    Dude, that's light with a Pike (how did you get the Pike that light?)!
    Mine is right at 27lbs with a Revelation, XTR wheelset and 2.35 Stick-E BG and Mutano 2.4 rear!

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    lightness....

    is a crutch.....
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    Piffle! Lightness can (note the use of the word can) be the difference between a bike that rides like a slug and makes every hillclimb a nightmare and a bike that feels nimble, quick to accellerate, fast to change direction and easy to crest hills on.

    Provided that the low weight build doesn't come at the expense of rideability or appropriateness for the task at hand I think shedding a few pounds off the rig (especially in the area of tyres, tubes rims or in places that give you a higher centre of gravity such as bars, stem, saddle and seatpost) is fine.

    I draw the line where folks build up rigs with wheelsets that are fragile, tyres that won't grip on the sort of trails they ride, stems and bars that snap or are too narrow to give them good control, forks with half of the damping internals removed. Lightness for lightness sake alone is a strange goal, especially when taken to extreme.

    In moderation and where appropriate, the pursuit of lightness can make a good bike a great bike.

    My 2.7 cents... (damn exchange rate!)

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    Good try Bro...

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Now my Yeti 575 is built.

    My focus was set to leightweigt parts where they make sense and had no impact to the riding potential of the bike.

    The result is nice, isnt't it?




    Facts:

    Size: L
    Weight: 11,5 kg / 25,4 lbs (with 2.4 Tires)

    This is absolutely the best bike i ever had. And i had much bikes in the past...

    Regards from Switzerland

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    So did you take the wheels off to weigh the bike?
    I would say is no less than 27lbs. I had pussier and lighter parts than you did on my 575 and (fox rlc, velocity/laser disc lite wheels, carbon bar, xtr crank) and it was 27.lbs.

    In the all mountain world your bike is light if it is 27 to 35lbs. My buddys 6-pack is 33lbs, and my spot is like 28lbs and we smoked everyone on the trail today. Yes, all 22lbs hard tails included.

    A "light-25lbs" all mountain bike is an oxymoron.
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zion Rasta
    So did you take the wheels off to weigh the bike?
    I would say is no less than 27lbs. I had pussier and lighter parts than you did on my 575 and (fox rlc, velocity/laser disc lite wheels, carbon bar, xtr crank) and it was 27.lbs.

    In the all mountain world your bike is light if it is 27 to 35lbs. My buddys 6-pack is 33lbs, and my spot is like 28lbs and <b>we smoked everyone on the trail today</b>. Yes, all 22lbs hard tails included.

    A "light-25lbs" all mountain bike is an oxymoron.
    Mighty nice of you, most have carried more than a dime baggy then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratt
    Mighty nice of you, most have carried more than a dime baggy then
    Sorry, I forgot a preposition - with....

    we smoked with everyone in the trail . Including the all the 22lbs the rasta guy in the hardtail was carrying.

    Jah Live!

    Sorry I got carried away on my comments, but you got the point. 25lbs on a yet 575 - That is more of a Davide useless bike than anything else. It makes me think of the fat guy on the miata.
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    flipnidaho's 575 is pretty damn light. But then again he has a small!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride
    Pike (coil, 3.6 lbs)
    Closer to 5.6 than 3.6. My air Pike is over 4lbs, coil is even heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    Closer to 5.6 than 3.6. My air Pike is over 4lbs, coil is even heavier.
    Pike 454 Air U-Turn without Poplock is 4.72 pounds including Maxle.

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    No good Let's do it

    Quote Originally Posted by Zion Rasta
    So did you take the wheels off to weigh the bike?
    I would say is no less than 27lbs. I had pussier and lighter parts than you did on my 575 and (fox rlc, velocity/laser disc lite wheels, carbon bar, xtr crank) and it was 27.lbs.

    In the all mountain world your bike is light if it is 27 to 35lbs. My buddys 6-pack is 33lbs, and my spot is like 28lbs and we smoked everyone on the trail today. Yes, all 22lbs hard tails included.

    A "light-25lbs" all mountain bike is an oxymoron.
    Ok, you "i know everything" man. Tell me only one part you have on your 575 that is lighter than mine!!!

    I'm waiting....

    To all. Why should i lie about the weight? I'm not stupid...what's wrong with you guys?

    The question is, what is your riding style. I agree this 575 is no hardcore freerider. I do not need that. In Switzerland, we have hight mountains. I'm doing long epic rides and singletrails. And for this, my 575 is one of the best bikes on the planet.

    I will post the partslist, weights and more pictures soon...

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    Try helium in your tires!

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Ok, you "i know everything" man. Tell me only one part you have on your 575 that is lighter than mine!!!

    I'm waiting....

    To all. Why should i lie about the weight? I'm not stupid...what's wrong with you guys?

    The question is, what is your riding style. I agree this 575 is no hardcore freerider. I do not need that. In Switzerland, we have hight mountains. I'm doing long epic rides and singletrails. And for this, my 575 is one of the best bikes on the planet.

    I will post the partslist, weights and more pictures soon...
    Hey Maettu,
    I do not think you are lying.
    My bike is just under 26lbs and I can see where you have some lighter stuff than me.
    I too have a parts list with all the weights if the sceptics would like to see.
    I wonder if we should inflate our tires with Helium???!!! It might not make them much lighter but yours would float with those 2.4's!
    I have also seen ASR's that weigh 22lbs and if you think about it, the ASR frame is only 1 lb lighter than the 575 frame and a 130mm fork might be 1lb heavier than a 100mm fork.
    That would make a 575, 2 lbs heavier than an ASR at 22 lbs - so in theory a 24lb 575 would be possible.
    Please remember everyone, we are not in the Yeti forum to argue with each other. We all love Yeti's and are here to share our experience and help each other.
    Maettu, I very much enjoyed your 'lightest 575' post and the pics [even if yours is lighter than mine!]
    I still recon anno finish must be lighter than paint.
    Enjoy your 575.
    Chaser.

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    Idea! Yeti 575 parts/weight list

    Yo,

    here is the parts list from my light Yeti 575.

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    As you can see, some parts are extreme light. For example, the saddle is only 62 grams!

    I hope you guys believes me now...

    The pictures (with the scale too) comes soon...

    Regards from switzerland

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    Well done Matt, no one can argue with that now can they?

    Regards form UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Yo,

    here is the parts list from my light Yeti 575.

    yetiparts.jpg

    As you can see, some parts are extreme light. For example, the saddle is only 62 grams!

    I hope you guys believes me now...

    The pictures (with the scale too) comes soon...

    Regards from switzerland

    mat
    Matt. You did an amazing reaserch and definitly an out of the box thinking/unique build!.
    I was not familiar with many parts you chose.
    Enjoy your ride and tell us what you think of this build.
    As much as it depends on me, you got the title of "lightest 575".
    I will be even happier if this 575 turns into the lightest 5" real trail bike.
    Regards
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    Oh wow, that would be a fun bike to ride. Good job!! It's nice to see 575 built on each end of the spectrum. This really highlights the versatility of the frame.

    Also, don't mind the guys here. They tend to be skeptics sometimes, especially if you're not a regular here. On the other hand, they're a good bunch after a few mugs of coffee and even though I don't have a 575 anymore, I still show up. However, a white 575 (used to have a black Ano) feels like it's calling my name. I guess once you're in the Tribe, it's impossible to wash off the colors for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    My focus was set to leightweigt parts where they make sense and had no impact to the riding potential of the bike.
    I guess this is the part that just doesn't make sense to me. I mean the wheelset is the part of the bike that has the most "impact to riding potential of the bike." And, you have the lightest weight race wheelset available today. Plus, I'd be curious to see how that stem feels (flexes) paired up with a stiff-ass fork like the Pike.

    That's the part that threw me, the Pike is almost five pounds; stiff and heavy. But, mixed with a flexy/fragile/narrow wheelset I just don't see the advantage over a Fox Float, which could have saved you almost another pound! That and the fact for 2.4 tires those Schwalbes are really freakin' light! I just wonder how those wide tires are going to get along with such narrow rims. I would think the sidewalls would roll-over while laying into a turn.

    But hey, if you're a light rider and it rides well for you then more power to ya!

    Sorry for doubting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    Dude, that's light with a Pike (how did you get the Pike that light?)!
    Mine is right at 27lbs with a Revelation, XTR wheelset and 2.35 Stick-E BG and Mutano 2.4 rear!
    I was being completely sarcastic. Sorry. Emotion doesn't translate well on the net.
    I have never weighed my bike. I'll bet it's 30lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    I thought pike was heavier than Revelation which is 4.1 I believe.
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    My Pike Coil is close to or at 5lbs. I was just trying to be contraversial, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    Closer to 5.6 than 3.6. My air Pike is over 4lbs, coil is even heavier.

    After a few days away from this forum I see my toungue in cheek comments about my bike were taken too seriously I was just 'stirring the pot' like I noted..

    yes my pike is about 5lbs.(and worth every ounce I might add). The bike is maybe 30lbs, maybe 31, i don't know. For my riding style the weight is pro not a con, more often than not.

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    That's interesting...

    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    I guess this is the part that just doesn't make sense to me. I mean the wheelset is the part of the bike that has the most "impact to riding potential of the bike." And, you have the lightest weight race wheelset available today. Plus, I'd be curious to see how that stem feels (flexes) paired up with a stiff-ass fork like the Pike.

    That's the part that threw me, the Pike is almost five pounds; stiff and heavy. But, mixed with a flexy/fragile/narrow wheelset I just don't see the advantage over a Fox Float, which could have saved you almost another pound! That and the fact for 2.4 tires those Schwalbes are really freakin' light! I just wonder how those wide tires are going to get along with such narrow rims. I would think the sidewalls would roll-over while laying into a turn.

    But hey, if you're a light rider and it rides well for you then more power to ya!

    Sorry for doubting.
    That's an interesting point. The wheelset is light, that's true. But you assume that a light wheelset is not stiff. I think this is not generally true. The question if a wheelset is stiff or not does not depend of how heavy or light the rim is. It's a question of spoke tension. DT Swiss Spokes, especially the aerolight spokes allows you a extreme high spoke tension. Unfortunently the aerolights are very expensive. But the revolution is good as well. The Crossmax Wheelset has a bad stiffness because mavic uses alu spokes who can not pulled so hard. By the way, the Crossmax aren't that light...

    I hate soft wheels, they are bad for the bike...

    These wheels are very stiff, i promise...

    In one point, you're right. The rim is small. But the tire stays where they should stay. I'm
    70 kg so that's no problem.

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    Good job! More pictures

    Rear wheel with FRM unirotor disk.
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    FRM crank
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    FRM seatpost with Becker saddle
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    front section
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    front wheel with tune 20mm hub
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    Give this guy an ASR-SL and he will show you a 22 lb FS Racer

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    Yea, 70kg (154lbs) is pretty light.

    You're right, tension is the key when it comes to wheel stiffness. From what I understand the Stans ZTRs can't take much in the way of tension. Not sure how much tension Revolution spokes can take, but I have to imagine that a spoke not recommend for disc brake use would have a lower tension limit. This actually makes them a good match. There’s no point in having a heavy spoke with a light rim since you can't take advantage of the higher tension a heavy spoke affords.

    I don't want to knock your build. For you it sounds perfect. I'm sure there are those that could look at my build and find things that don't make sense to them. Some people might think my UST wheels and tires don't make sense.

    I think many people mistakenly think the Pike is about the same weight as a Fox Talas and go with it since it is much more fork for only about a 150g penalty. But, the weights for the Pike on the SRAM website are wrong, it's actually about 340g penalty for the U-Turn air version w/o poplock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    Yea, 70kg (154lbs) is pretty light.

    You're right, tension is the key when it comes to wheel stiffness. From what I understand the Stans ZTRs can't take much in the way of tension. Not sure how much tension Revolution spokes can take, but I have to imagine that a spoke not recommend for disc brake use would have a lower tension limit. This actually makes them a good match. There’s no point in having a heavy spoke with a light rim since you can't take advantage of the higher tension a heavy spoke affords.

    I don't want to knock your build. For you it sounds perfect. I'm sure there are those that could look at my build and find things that don't make sense to them. Some people might think my UST wheels and tires don't make sense.

    I think many people mistakenly think the Pike is about the same weight as a Fox Talas and go with it since it is much more fork for only about a 150g penalty. But, the weights for the Pike on the SRAM website are wrong, it's actually about 340g penalty for the U-Turn air version w/o poplock.
    That's right. The pike is heavier than expected because of the maxle. The weight on the sram website is without maxle. And the maxle is about 200g. That's a bad mistake from sram. People assume that the pike is as light as the revelation but it 'isn't. The other point is that the pike is the very best fork i ever had. To get such a steering precision and stiffness i take this weight panalty without beeing sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    That's right. The pike is heavier than expected because of the maxle. The weight on the sram website is without maxle. And the maxle is about 200g. That's a bad mistake from sram. People assume that the pike is as light as the revelation but it 'isn't. The other point is that the pike is the very best fork i ever had. To get such a steering precision and stiffness i take this weight panalty without beeing sad.
    I've got a Pike Air U-turn on the way myself. Glad to hear it's working out for you.

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    That's incredible! Marvelous!

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    ok here is one....

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Ok, you "i know everything" man. Tell me only one part you have on your 575 that is lighter than mine!!!

    I'm waiting....

    To all. Why should i lie about the weight? I'm not stupid...what's wrong with you guys?

    The question is, what is your riding style. I agree this 575 is no hardcore freerider. I do not need that. In Switzerland, we have hight mountains. I'm doing long epic rides and singletrails. And for this, my 575 is one of the best bikes on the planet.

    I will post the partslist, weights and more pictures soon...
    how about your pike vs my fox rlc?
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Is that a road stem?

    [quote=maettu]Rear wheel with FRM unirotor disk.
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    Hey, why dont you bring your yeti 575 to your next road ride in america. I will be riding my equally light 16lbs. s-works road bike. That way we will be like twins.....

    I think you and I have about the same weight parts on our bikes.

    My daughter's diamondback (12" wheels and pink) is about 2X the weight of yours and she can bunny hop an ant. She is 2yrs. old...... oh and she weights the same as my turner spot 27.5 lbs.
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Congratulations on accomplishing your goal of a lightweight 575. I was also very skeptical of your initial weight, but it looks like you have done your homework.

    You use a number of parts that I wouldn't, but that is just personal taste... except for that saddle. How long can you ride on that thing?

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    Beautiful bike and parts I don't see around here, thanks. Personally I'd like to see some pics of those trails, I've been thinkin about an mtb trip to the Alps or the Dolomites.
    Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Ok, you "i know everything" man. Tell me only one part you have on your 575 that is lighter than mine!!!

    I'm waiting....

    To all. Why should i lie about the weight? I'm not stupid...what's wrong with you guys?

    The question is, what is your riding style. I agree this 575 is no hardcore freerider. I do not need that. In Switzerland, we have hight mountains. I'm doing long epic rides and singletrails. And for this, my 575 is one of the best bikes on the planet.

    I will post the partslist, weights and more pictures soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Rear wheel with FRM unirotor disk.
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    Hey, why dont you bring your yeti 575 to your next road ride in america. I will be riding my equally light 16lbs. s-works road bike. That way we will be like twins.....

    I think you and I have about the same weight parts on our bikes.

    My daughter's diamondback (12" wheels and pink) is about 2X the weight of yours and she can bunny hop an ant. She is 2yrs. old...... oh and she weights the same as my turner spot 27.5 lbs.
    Seriously Zion you are a riot!

    Please stay off your meds...I enjoy your posts too much.

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    Good job! Biketrails...

    Quote Originally Posted by Straymark
    Beautiful bike and parts I don't see around here, thanks. Personally I'd like to see some pics of those trails, I've been thinkin about an mtb trip to the Alps or the Dolomites.
    Mark
    I have some trailpics on my website. If you like, check it out...

    Pics from a Swiss/Italian Alps Biketour
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB_Abart/index1.html

    Pics from the south french area (Ardèche)
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB...he/index1.html

    Pics from the french mountains (Vogesen)
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB...en/index1.html

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    Good job! I do...

    [QUOTE=Zion Rasta]
    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Rear wheel with FRM unirotor disk.
    DSC01100.JPG

    Hey, why dont you bring your yeti 575 to your next road ride in america. I will be riding my equally light 16lbs. s-works road bike. That way we will be like twins.....

    I think you and I have about the same weight parts on our bikes.

    My daughter's diamondback (12" wheels and pink) is about 2X the weight of yours and she can bunny hop an ant. She is 2yrs. old...... oh and she weights the same as my turner spot 27.5 lbs.
    Hey Zion Rasta,

    I will bring the Yeti to america the first of september to ride the whole colorado trail. We carry all the baggage with us....

    If you can hold my rear wheel, you can ride with us some miles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Yo,

    here is the parts list from my light Yeti 575.

    As you can see, some parts are extreme light. For example, the saddle is only 62 grams!

    I hope you guys believes me now...

    The pictures (with the scale too) comes soon...

    Regards from switzerland

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    Impressive! But why in the world are you running tubes with the Stans rims? You could go tubeless and save a couple more grams I would imagine.

    The light wheels and tires are where you are saving the most weight. Great looking bike. Looks almost like mine... But mine is a hefty 28.8lbs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    That's an interesting point. The wheelset is light, that's true. But you assume that a light wheelset is not stiff. I think this is not generally true. The question if a wheelset is stiff or not does not depend of how heavy or light the rim is. It's a question of spoke tension. DT Swiss Spokes, especially the aerolight spokes allows you a extreme high spoke tension. Unfortunently the aerolights are very expensive. But the revolution is good as well. The Crossmax Wheelset has a bad stiffness because mavic uses alu spokes who can not pulled so hard. By the way, the Crossmax aren't that light...

    I hate soft wheels, they are bad for the bike...

    These wheels are very stiff, i promise...

    In one point, you're right. The rim is small. But the tire stays where they should stay. I'm
    70 kg so that's no problem.
    Yeah, the Stan's rims are amazing really. Even tubeless the tire with really low pressures will stay put on that rim. I say go tubeless on those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    I have some trailpics on my website. If you like, check it out...

    Pics from a Swiss/Italian Alps Biketour
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB_Abart/index1.html

    Pics from the south french area (Ardèche)
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB...he/index1.html

    Pics from the french mountains (Vogesen)
    http://www.mat-sa.ch/bilder/2004_MTB...en/index1.html
    Spectacular!

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    No good Yeah, it's a shame but....

    Quote Originally Posted by iviguy
    Impressive! But why in the world are you running tubes with the Stans rims? You could go tubeless and save a couple more grams I would imagine.

    The light wheels and tires are where you are saving the most weight. Great looking bike. Looks almost like mine... But mine is a hefty 28.8lbs...

    ...stans sealant is away from the european market by court because of a copyright case with a european offerer (eclypse)

    The eclypse sealant is very bad...so if anyone of you guys can send me stans sealant i would put my tubes out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    ...stans sealant is away from the european market by court because of a copyright case with a european offerer (eclypse)

    The eclypse sealant is very bad...so if anyone of you guys can send me stans sealant i would put my tubes out...
    Stans Sealant

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    Hey thanks...

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    Somehow, I think there will be a garbage bag full of weed that will find its way into this story. I'd stay away from Zion Rasta unless you want to do a very detailed search on all your belongings before heading back through Customs.

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    sealant will not make you lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    ...stans sealant is away from the european market by court because of a copyright case with a european offerer (eclypse)

    The eclypse sealant is very bad...so if anyone of you guys can send me stans sealant i would put my tubes out...
    If you don't have snake bites stay with tubes. I think it is much lighter and much easier to maintain and I am expreienced with both. I have over one lbs of sealant since I have no choise as we have many thorns in the summer. I don't believe you have thorns in the alps (don't recall any).
    If you do want a sealant I believe you can search the forums as I recall some threads about home made sealants that work as good as Stan's.

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    ... and if we just ... How's this?

    This is a size small 575 Carbon, Raw color.....

    The parts specs claim 24.7 pounds. I was skeptical, with good cause. It weighed out at 25.2 pounds.....I found one scale that put it at 25.6 pounds...BUT, that's with 2.1 tires. With the 2.4 inch tires on your bike, I assume it would be at least a half pound heavier, so, good job!

    Going light isn't for everyone. I'm riding almost exclusively above 7000 feet, and have 350 miles of trail riding so far this summer. The bike hasn't seen a chairlift yet...

    Went with the titanium bolt kit to drop some more grams...other than that, here's the load out:

    Parts Summary
    Frame :: Yeti AS-R 575 Carbon Raw 5.67lbs
    Frame Size :: 17.5in Center-to-Top


    Fork :: Fox Float RLC Float Gold 3.7lbs


    Rear Shock :: Fox RP3
    Front/Rear Brake :: Avid BB7 160mm Set Silver - Mechanical 626g
    Brake Lever :: Paul Components LPZ compact Black 117g
    Shifter :: SRAM X.O Twist Silver 172g
    Crank :: Shimano XT M760 with BB Silver/Black - 22-32-44 - 175mm 870g
    Bottom Bracket :: Shimano Shimano Integrated Silver 73mm - 117mm 0g
    Front Derailleur :: Shimano XT M760 Top Swing Silver 123g
    Cassette :: Shimano XT M760 Silver - 11-34 264g
    Rear Derailleur :: SRAM X.O Silver 204g
    Chain :: SRAM PC-971 Silver 300g
    Pedals :: Crank Brothers Egg Beater Ti Silver 230g
    Headset :: Race Face Deus 1-1/8" Black Black - Threadless - 1 1/8in 104g
    Stem :: Ritchey WCS Black - Threadless - -6° 115g
    Handlebar :: Monkeylite XC...185 grams
    Grip :: ODI Rogue LockOn, gripshift length Black 52g
    Cables :: Shimano Stainless Silver 120g
    Housing :: Shimano Housing Gray 160g
    Seatpost :: Thomson Masterpiece Black 199g
    Saddle :: Terry Fly 250 grams
    Front Tire :: Panaracer Fire XC Pro (K) Black/Red - 2.1in - Standard 590g
    Rear Tire :: Panaracer Fire XC Pro (K) Black/Red - 2.1in - Standard 590g
    Front Tube :: Performance lunarlite 99 g
    Rear Tube :: Performance lunarlite 99 g
    Front Hub :: WTB LaserDisc Lite 32h Black 145g
    Rear Hub :: WTB LaserDisc Lite 32h Black 265g
    Front Rim :: Stan NoTubes ZTR Olympic Disc Black 347g
    Rear Rim :: Stan NoTubes ZTR Olympic Disc Black 347g
    Rim Tape :: Velox Cloth Rim Tape Cloth 15g
    Front Spoke :: DT Swiss DT Supercomp 14/16/15 trp-butted Black 160g
    Rear Spoke :: DT Swiss DT Supercomp 14/16/15 trp-butted Black 160g
    Front Skewer :: Salsa Titanium flip-off Black 39g
    Rear Skewer :: Salsa Stainless flip-off Black 49g
    Nipple :: DT Swiss Alloy Black 32g

    Claimed Weight: 24.72lbs

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    you can send your 2.7 cents to me......the weight of the bike makes more of a difference to a lighter rider. In my case, it really doesn't matter. That and the fact that I haven't ridden any really hilly trails since I left Colorado back in 2002. That should make it an even 3 cents
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    Stan's sealant from Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    ...stans sealant is away from the european market by court because of a copyright case with a european offerer (eclypse)

    The eclypse sealant is very bad...so if anyone of you guys can send me stans sealant i would put my tubes out...
    Hey maettu, you can order Stan's sealent from bike-components.de, their prices are quite good and their shipping costs too.

    http://www.bike-components.de/catalo...ducts_id=13620

    Cheers,
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    tubes

    Are you happy with the light tubes you ride. I gave up on them and they get very mixed reviews.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! tubes or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    Are you happy with the light tubes you ride. I gave up on them and they get very mixed reviews.
    It's difficult to say. I tried everything and here is what i think:

    The best combo is tubless tires with sealant. You eliminate the small loss of air that tubless systems have. But this is the heaviest Solution!!! Therefore

    The combo with normal tires and sealant has less weight panalty. But in the alps we have stones who go through the tire and the sealant can't manage such big holes. I had tires (Schwalbe) with sealant inside but with small air loss because the normal tires sometimes looses air through such small holes that sealant can't go into it and repair it.

    A problem of both systems is that the sealant gets dry after a while. So you should put in new sealant. In case you have a flat tire, you have a biig problem with sealant everywhere around you. And you have to take a tube with you anyway.

    The tube story has more disadvantages. But tube sytems are sooo easy to fix. We have no thorns in switzerland. And this system is light too...

    After try and error with all the systems i am back to tubes because it's the most easy way for me...

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    Good job! Great!

    Quote Originally Posted by Joeboater
    This is a size small 575 Carbon, Raw color.....

    The parts specs claim 24.7 pounds. I was skeptical, with good cause. It weighed out at 25.2 pounds.....I found one scale that put it at 25.6 pounds...BUT, that's with 2.1 tires. With the 2.4 inch tires on your bike, I assume it would be at least a half pound heavier, so, good job!

    Going light isn't for everyone. I'm riding almost exclusively above 7000 feet, and have 350 miles of trail riding so far this summer. The bike hasn't seen a chairlift yet...

    Went with the titanium bolt kit to drop some more grams...other than that, here's the load out:

    Parts Summary
    Frame :: Yeti AS-R 575 Carbon Raw 5.67lbs
    Frame Size :: 17.5in Center-to-Top


    Fork :: Fox Float RLC Float Gold 3.7lbs


    Rear Shock :: Fox RP3
    Front/Rear Brake :: Avid BB7 160mm Set Silver - Mechanical 626g
    Brake Lever :: Paul Components LPZ compact Black 117g
    Shifter :: SRAM X.O Twist Silver 172g
    Crank :: Shimano XT M760 with BB Silver/Black - 22-32-44 - 175mm 870g
    Bottom Bracket :: Shimano Shimano Integrated Silver 73mm - 117mm 0g
    Front Derailleur :: Shimano XT M760 Top Swing Silver 123g
    Cassette :: Shimano XT M760 Silver - 11-34 264g
    Rear Derailleur :: SRAM X.O Silver 204g
    Chain :: SRAM PC-971 Silver 300g
    Pedals :: Crank Brothers Egg Beater Ti Silver 230g
    Headset :: Race Face Deus 1-1/8" Black Black - Threadless - 1 1/8in 104g
    Stem :: Ritchey WCS Black - Threadless - -6° 115g
    Handlebar :: Monkeylite XC...185 grams
    Grip :: ODI Rogue LockOn, gripshift length Black 52g
    Cables :: Shimano Stainless Silver 120g
    Housing :: Shimano Housing Gray 160g
    Seatpost :: Thomson Masterpiece Black 199g
    Saddle :: Terry Fly 250 grams
    Front Tire :: Panaracer Fire XC Pro (K) Black/Red - 2.1in - Standard 590g
    Rear Tire :: Panaracer Fire XC Pro (K) Black/Red - 2.1in - Standard 590g
    Front Tube :: Performance lunarlite 99 g
    Rear Tube :: Performance lunarlite 99 g
    Front Hub :: WTB LaserDisc Lite 32h Black 145g
    Rear Hub :: WTB LaserDisc Lite 32h Black 265g
    Front Rim :: Stan NoTubes ZTR Olympic Disc Black 347g
    Rear Rim :: Stan NoTubes ZTR Olympic Disc Black 347g
    Rim Tape :: Velox Cloth Rim Tape Cloth 15g
    Front Spoke :: DT Swiss DT Supercomp 14/16/15 trp-butted Black 160g
    Rear Spoke :: DT Swiss DT Supercomp 14/16/15 trp-butted Black 160g
    Front Skewer :: Salsa Titanium flip-off Black 39g
    Rear Skewer :: Salsa Stainless flip-off Black 49g
    Nipple :: DT Swiss Alloy Black 32g

    Claimed Weight: 24.72lbs
    Hey, your build sounds spectacular too!

    Why don't you post some nice pictures?

    Thanks and regards

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    I wish I could!!!

    [quote=maettu]
    Quote Originally Posted by Zion Rasta

    Hey Zion Rasta,

    I will bring the Yeti to america the first of september to ride the whole colorado trail. We carry all the baggage with us....

    If you can hold my rear wheel, you can ride with us some miles...
    I would definetly take you on that one. Make sure you bring the biker chick in the picture.

    NO problem bro, let's ride. I'll bring a ton of spare parts so as soon as you start snapping carbon stuff we will replace with aluminium.

    Oh, bring your gay squad too....
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Hi Maettu
    Nice ride you have

    For the Stan notubes go to mtbikers.com (barracuda) they are out of belgium and sale the liquid for 38 euros per liter
    I have been ordering from them for a couples years ans they are very good and very good price
    They ship 24 hours to France and i guess to La Suisse to

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    why the intense?

    In what did you find the 5.5 different than the 575?.
    Just curius.
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    I just sold my 5.5 to get a new 575 carbon arriving end of the month

    What i didn't like on the 5.5 was the front angle not steep enough for my riding, and the rear to high; i try to fix that with the suspension setting but i had to run to much sag on the rear to feel good (fox float 130 RLC and focx rp3)

    the 575 seem to be also lighter for me (i had pretty much the same built on the 2 bikes)

    My new 575 raw carbon will have the 2007 fox talas fox RP23 stan notubes rim on hope hubs and sram XO, i can't wait to get it

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    Good for you

    Quote Originally Posted by french man
    I just sold my 5.5 to get a new 575 carbon arriving end of the month

    What i didn't like on the 5.5 was the front angle not steep enough for my riding, and the rear to high; i try to fix that with the suspension setting but i had to run to much sag on the rear to feel good (fox float 130 RLC and focx rp3)

    the 575 seem to be also lighter for me (i had pretty much the same built on the 2 bikes)

    My new 575 raw carbon will have the 2007 fox talas fox RP23 stan notubes rim on hope hubs and sram XO, i can't wait to get it
    Post photos once it is build. Also sounds like you can get into the contest of the lightest bike with this farme and those rims.
    Had a nice ride today but at one very fast and rocky descent felt like the carbon handle bar is not confidence inspiring. My partner for today had a jamis dakar which is very heavy and I would not recommend but he looked to me more stable down hill.
    Tradeoffs!.

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    Good job! What brand...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    Post photos once it is build. Also sounds like you can get into the contest of the lightest bike with this farme and those rims.
    Had a nice ride today but at one very fast and rocky descent felt like the carbon handle bar is not confidence inspiring. My partner for today had a jamis dakar which is very heavy and I would not recommend but he looked to me more stable down hill.
    Tradeoffs!.
    What brand of handle bar do you ride? I have a syntace carbon handlebar and i'm very happy with this part. The bar feels very stiff. We have fast and rocky descends too but i feel save with this bar.

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    Mine is FSA

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    What brand of handle bar do you ride? I have a syntace carbon handlebar and i'm very happy with this part. The bar feels very stiff. We have fast and rocky descends too but i feel save with this bar.
    It is just a feeling that I had and it may be due to other factors. I ride 2.1 tires where you have 2.4.

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    Ride report???

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    Now my Yeti 575 is built.

    My focus was set to leightweigt parts where they make sense and had no impact to the riding potential of the bike.

    The result is nice, isnt't it?

    Yeti575_web.JPG

    Facts:

    Size: L
    Weight: 11,5 kg / 25,4 lbs (with 2.4 Tires)

    This is absolutely the best bike i ever had. And i had much bikes in the past...

    Regards from Switzerland

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    How did the Alps like your Yeti?
    Cheers
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    Good job! Ride report

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    How did the Alps like your Yeti?
    Cheers
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    After a ten days ride trough the swiss engadin (alpes), here are the pictures and my impressions about my light Yeti.

    uphill:
    The yeti climbs like hell. With full Propedal, no climb is too steep, when the legs are in good shape. My brother has a Specilized Stumpjumer S-Works 120 and he complained a very light front wheel in steep sections. For the Yeti no problem.

    downhill:
    The downhill ability of the Yeti is great too. The limiting factor are the lightweight wheels. The pike is not as sensitive as the rear suspension but very stiff.

    crosscountry:
    Trough singletrails i like the Yeti very much. The bike is very easy to ride.

    Pictures from our Tour:

    Suvrettapass
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    Morteratschglacier
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    Val d' Uina
    engadin_005.jpg

    Alp da Munt
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    Pass da Castainas
    engadin_008.JPG

    Facts:
    - The Engadin (Switzerland) is great for Mountainbiking
    - The Yeti is the best bike i ever had
    - For the Coloradotrail i will change the saddle (comfort) and the rear wheel (sparepart availability)

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    Great photos and scarry wall trail!. Did you ride the wall?. Not difficult to ride but not for people with hurt problems.
    So what was the problem with the wheels?, is it the stan rims?. Looked extremely cool and many said they should be great. I felt bad I took the 819 since it's way more expensive and not as light. What wheels or rims will you choose now?.

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    Awesome photos, maettu!!!

    I hope I get a chance to go South and try this kind of riding... I went once to ride near Garmisch-Partenkirchen and it was amazing... can't wait to get my 575 and go there for a ride.

    Cheers,
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    The wheels are great, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBonty
    Great photos and scarry wall trail!. Did you ride the wall?. Not difficult to ride but not for people with hurt problems.
    So what was the problem with the wheels?, is it the stan rims?. Looked extremely cool and many said they should be great. I felt bad I took the 819 since it's way more expensive and not as light. What wheels or rims will you choose now?.
    These wheels are great and i would choose the same wheels again. But this wheels are built for trailriding and crosscountry riding. They are not built for Downhill and Freeriding because they are not stiff enough.

    When you ride hard downhill, you can feel a minimal lack of steering precision because the pike fork is so stiff. For me, this is not a problem.

    What i mean is when you like freeriding and downhill too with your Yeti, you should buy a second wheelset.

    For my use of the Yeti, these wheels are very nice...

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    Wheel stiffness not a function of spoke tension

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu
    The question if a wheelset is stiff or not does not depend of how heavy or light the rim is. It's a question of spoke tension. DT Swiss Spokes, especially the aerolight spokes allows you a extreme high spoke tension.
    I hate to break it to you but, although wheel stiffness does depend on spoke material, spoke length, spoke angle and spoke thickness, it does not depend on spoke tension. While this is a common belief it is, in fact, physically untenable.

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    Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by boredwitless
    I hate to break it to you but, although wheel stiffness does depend on spoke material, spoke length, spoke angle and spoke thickness, it does not depend on spoke tension. While this is a common belief it is, in fact, physically untenable.
    Wow, that sounds very interesting. I tought that the most important thing is the spoke tension.

    Do you have any documents about this? Not to prove it, but it interests me...

    Thanks and Regards

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    Theory and measurements

    First I should try to explain why it is physically unreasonable for spoke tension to be a significant factor in wheel stiffness.

    Stiffness is a function of a material's resistance to stretching or deflection under load. So, a stiff wheel is one which does not deflect much under load. Just considering the spokes, in a stiff wheel the spokes will stretch less under load than in a more flexible wheel. For the wheel to survive for any length of time, this stretching must be elastic - i.e. there is no permanent deformation of the spoke under loading, so once the load has been removed the spoke returns to its original length. In the elastic regime, stress is proportional to strain, so (say) F = k*x - where F is force, k is a "spring constant" (i.e. measure of stiffness) and x is the amount of stretch.

    Thinking about a spoke in a bicycle wheel, the spoke is always under a static tension. You can consider this as an initial force F0 on the spoke. Then:

    F0 = k*x0

    where x0 is the amount that the spoke is stretched by the static tension from tensioning during wheel building

    When the wheel is used, there additional stresses applied. Suppose these apply an extra force on the spoke, "Fload". Then:

    F0 + Fload = k*xtotal

    where xtotal is the total stretching of the spoke under the tension from wheel building and this new applied load

    Next:

    xtotal = x0 + xload

    where xload is the extra stretching that occurs in the spoke under the new applied load - i.e. the stretching that determines whether the wheel is stiff or not.

    Therefore:

    F0 + Fload = k*(x0 + xload) = F0 + k*xload

    and so

    xload = Fload/k

    So (hopefully) you can see that the amount the spoke stretches under the load Fload only depends on the "spring constant" or stiffness of the spoke - which in turn depends upon the stiffness of the material, the length and the thickness of the spoke. Applying extra tension only moves the the load up and down the elastic, linear portion of the stress-strain curve, and does not affect wheel stiffness.

    For actual measurements, take a look at:
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/wheel/index.htm

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    Sounds right

    My small 575 (carbon) came in at 25.2 lbs, but then I put on a seat that was way more comfortable. It's probably about 25.5 now.

    This is (mostly) a pretty cool group. I wouldn't expect anyone is gonna lie about something as unimportant, but mildly interesting as weight.

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    Oops

    I hate it when I jump in on page 1 of an old 4 page thread.

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