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    Your thoughts on weight weenies.

    So, I have noticed on the forums every now and again this hate or disgruntlement toward weight weenies or people buying expensive parts. Here are my thoughts.
    If you don’t have the time and don’t revolve your life around MTB’ing why not compensate your lack of physical stamina with less weight to pull around on the trails?

    I ride single track XC trails here in the pacific northwest and am currently training for my first race (a 30mile XC). I weigh 160lbs and do not huck at all. Largest drop I see is maybe 2ft once or twice a year so light weight parts need not worry about abuse from me.
    I can only afford to go out about once a week for a 2-4hr ride due to work, commitment to the navy reserves, what seems like never ending yard work projects and family (wife and 2 kids).
    I have the money and want that 2-4hrs to be as enjoyable as possible and still want to somewhat keep up with the people I ride with.

    I have spent about $1500 in the last 3 weeks on weight reduction parts for my 2009 Pivot mach 4 with XT/XO group set. My bike currently weighs 26.21lbs before I add the following parts next week.

    Stans crest 26” wheel set
    SRAM XO XG-999 cassette
    Forte Carve SPD pedals
    Alligator serration rotors
    Sella itallia SLR XP slow
    Shimano XTR M980 chain
    Professional bike fitting ($150)
    And some new shoes, Diadora escape 2

    All were on sale.

    The old adage goes “don’t upgrade, go up a grade”. This is very true but if your lifestyle does not permit or MTB’g is not the highest priority but you still want to enjoy it to its fullest with your current lifestyle and obligations…wheres the crime?

    Would like your thoughts on this.
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    I'll never begrudge anyone willing to drop serious coin on their bike(s). People who complain about it generally come across as insecure. On top of the upgrader/weight weenie getting the parts s/he enjoys, the take-offs feed the used market. It also motivates component manufacturers to invest more in R&D, which ultimately means better/lighter parts for mid-grade users like me. Everyone wins.

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    I do watch the weight of the parts I have on my bikes, other than the road bike since I dont race that. I'm a light weight, I dont make a lot of power, so I need to haul around the lightest bikes I can afford. Plus, I like doing the research and building/riding the bikes!

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    I wouldn't mind racing a 20lb bike if I could afford it but since I currently can't and will probably not be able to, I do with what I have.
    25lb alu hardtail isn't too shabby either considering that it's a sub $2000 bike.

    I watch the weight of the parts that I replace but I will not spend $100 for a 100g upgrade. I'd rather lose few pounds myself first and once I can't lose no more I'll start looking into slimming down the bike.

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    I think most riders are only irritated by 'weight weenies' who spend a fortune on their bike and just ride it to the coffee shop to show it off. I've always felt that you should train as much as you can, and spend what you can to get your bike light too, within reason.
    My unprofessional opinion is that most riders would be better served by finding just a little more time to train, even two 30 min sessions on the trainer midweek in addition to your 2-4 hour weekend rides would give you huge benefits over just one ride a week.

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    In Ned Overend's book Mountain Bike Like A Pro, written way back when, he lists 24 pounds as a target weight for your XC race bike. It seems to be a pretty good rule of thumb. I personally want mine as light as possible and am willing to pay 100 bucks for 100 grams, but that's just because I love racing and having a sweet ride keeps me motivated.

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    Well, seeing as Ned races a 29er that weighs less than 24lbs now, more than a decade on, I think that is pretty outdated.

    There are plenty of 17-18lb bikes in World Cup racing; my bike is hardly pushing the envelope and it's sub 20 and pretty damn tough. My wheels will outlive anything made of aluminum, and there is nothing on it that I wouldn't swap over to an AM bike, minus the tires, because they wouldn't be much fun.
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    My old race bike, back in '91/92 was a Kona Explosif, with a bunch of control tech parts I got it down to just under 27pounds! I took all the parts off it for the next bike and the frame alone weighed 6.75 pounds (21"). That was a very good handling bike. Konas got much lighter in the mid '90s. My current Kona Kula dlx 2-9 weighs about 24.5 (lg/xl).
    Spending money on lightweight wheels/tires should be the top priority, my Kona has a pretty light wheelset, as does my old/vintage race bike, both ride very nicely.
    My cx bike is just under 20 pounds, I really notice it on hard hills, when I stand up and pedal hard the bike just about leaps forward, 5 pounds is very noticeable. A 20 pound race mtb would be beneficial. The guy who usually beats me in xc has a 21-ish pound fs bike, but I'm going to beat him more regularly...
    It's funny that you can find old higher end Stumpjumper 26er hardtails or Homegrowns that are pretty darn light, 23-25# for pretty cheap, -still good old race bikes. If I did not have an old Litespeed, I'd be on the lookout for an old Sworks or Homey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimPacNW View Post
    finding just a little more time to train, even two 30 min sessions on the trainer midweek in addition to your 2-4 hour weekend rides would give you huge benefits over just one ride a week.
    I agree, I am in the process of doing a mini workout during my lunch breaks. As for a "trainer" or any stationary machine...forget it!!! 10 mins on a bike/elliptical/rower/treadmill, whatever and shoot me. Tried TV, Magazine, cute women in gym as a ditraction from the boredom and none work. Another reason why I MTB. I lift weights 3X/week and MTB'g is my only form of cardio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rallymaniac View Post
    I wouldn't mind racing a 20lb bike if I could afford it but since I currently can't and will probably not be able to, I do with what I have.
    25lb alu hardtail isn't too shabby either considering that it's a sub $2000 bike.

    I watch the weight of the parts that I replace but I will not spend $100 for a 100g upgrade. I'd rather lose few pounds myself first and once I can't lose no more I'll start looking into slimming down the bike.
    I agree on $ per gram. I was lookin at my stock seatpost and couldn't see saving 30 grams for $100. Now, my seat at about a 100g savings @ $60 was a no-brainer for me

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    Cross post from my response of the same question you asked on the WW Forum, this one seems to get more traffic though, and I quote (myself):

    You always get arguments from both sides. I think you summed it up with "...enjoy it to it's fullest...", the argument your going to get is that the lighter parts don't make the experience any more enjoyable. Of course that is subjective and pertains to what your goal is. Do you want to be fast? Enjoy the outdoors? Keep up with your friends? Get into better shape?

    All things being equal, a lighter bike is faster.

    If I were in your shoes, I'd spend the money on a) a coach b) a road bike and some rollers for the garage or c) somebody to mow my lawns.

    I personally spend my extra 'upgrade' cash on my coach and a road bike to train on. But YMMV!

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    If I had unlimited financial resources I'd have the lightest bike possible. My stock S-Works Epic is pretty light and since I've been riding a light bike, I don't think I'd care to go back.

    That said, there's something to be said for the admonishment to "loose a few pounds off your gut before you worry about loosing a pound or two on your bike"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimPacNW View Post
    My old race bike, back in '91/92 was a Kona Explosif, with a bunch of control tech parts I got it down to just under 27pounds! I took all the parts off it for the next bike and the frame alone weighed 6.75 pounds (21"). That was a very good handling bike. Konas got much lighter in the mid '90s. My current Kona Kula dlx 2-9 weighs about 24.5 (lg/xl).
    Spending money on lightweight wheels/tires should be the top priority, my Kona has a pretty light wheelset, as does my old/vintage race bike, both ride very nicely.
    My cx bike is just under 20 pounds, I really notice it on hard hills, when I stand up and pedal hard the bike just about leaps forward, 5 pounds is very noticeable. A 20 pound race mtb would be beneficial. The guy who usually beats me in xc has a 21-ish pound fs bike, but I'm going to beat him more regularly...
    It's funny that you can find old higher end Stumpjumper 26er hardtails or Homegrowns that are pretty darn light, 23-25# for pretty cheap, -still good old race bikes. If I did not have an old Litespeed, I'd be on the lookout for an old Sworks or Homey.
    I would have the homegrown if it didn't flex much. A friend just sold a homegrown 21 pounds 1x9 for 600 counting shipping. You can't beat that price for the weight. Sid fork, carbon post, etc. etc. I wish that would've been my first bike, but I had no idea then.
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    Simply put, it's your money and I or anyone else here can tell you how to spend it. Would I do that? I'm unsure about your financial situation. As someone else mentioned, money for a road bike would be a huge factore in your speed. A road bike has helped me even though I hate being out on the road. I know it serves its purpose. It's hard to get in base training on the mtb. The trails shouldn't be ridden so I don't ride or I have to go up a forest service road. Lastly, I could ride my mtb on the road and that doesn't work. I rambled a little there, but what I'm saying is you can train on the road when you can't on the bike. You may want to look into that next.

    I have a fairly light bike too and it makes a big difference, epsecially in the wheels. You don't need to justify it to us man. Do your thing, go out, and ride. As long as you can afford it and you're happy, I don't see a problem. Rock on
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    I raced one race in my local series last year on my 33lbs AM HT because I didn't want to ruin everything on my carbon bike, the course was like a small river, literally and I was hours from being able to clean and lubricate everything properly. I ride and race because when i started it was cool to do and fun.

    I also started mtb'ing when I was 12 and I'm 35 now. So I'm a little old school in why I race and mtb. I'm not really into the road rider scene that I've seen emerge at the mtb races. I still wear baggies and if I feel like it I wear my Osprey pack. Mountain biking has such a different vibe to it then it did years ago and right or wrong I sometimes see the weight weenie aspect as a part of that. I understand wanting a light bike though, so I'm not slamming that completely.

    BTW - not slamming people who wear lycra instead of baggies or use a water bottle (because I do too, depending on the race).
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    One thing I have learned over the years is bike weight isn't as important as most people think it is.

    I have two bikes right now, one a 19lb 26inch hardtail, the other a 23.5lb 26inch trail bike. With same tires on the bikes are pretty close on climbs, on a smooth climb the hardtail is faster and on a rough climb the dually is quite a bit faster.

    Of course the bikes are also shocking close on the descents. The dually seems way faster but when I actually compare times it isn't a lot faster.

    Now, tires on the other hand, make a difference.
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    I think bike racing should be a sport available to everyone and it will suck when the day comes that you have to spend 10k to be competitive in a sport race. I have raced with people who will lay down 5k on a bike and not donate a dime or an hour to their local trail building org. That's lame. I would rather buy a 4k bike and give 1k to the local trail org because i feel the quality and distance of the trail has a much greater impact on my enjoyment than the quality of my bike.

    That said, bike tech is really freaking cool, and i think bike companies have done an amazing marketing job by releasing high dollar models that make "mid range" buyers think 3k is a sane amount to spend on a bike. I personally own a freeride, trail, xc, and road because i find a moderately priced bike built for a specific type of riding is better than an expensive do it all bike. I guess if i spent all that money on a single bike i would be one of those guys with a really freaking expensive bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qdawgg View Post
    I raced one race in my local series last year on my 33lbs AM HT because I didn't want to ruin everything on my carbon bike, the course was like a small river, literally and I was hours from being able to clean and lubricate everything properly. I ride and race because when i started it was cool to do and fun.

    I also started mtb'ing when I was 12 and I'm 35 now. So I'm a little old school in why I race and mtb. I'm not really into the road rider scene that I've seen emerge at the mtb races. I still wear baggies and if I feel like it I wear my Osprey pack. Mountain biking has such a different vibe to it then it did years ago and right or wrong I sometimes see the weight weenie aspect as a part of that. I understand wanting a light bike though, so I'm not slamming that completely.

    BTW - not slamming people who wear lycra instead of baggies or use a water bottle (because I do too, depending on the race).
    Uh, just so you know...lycra and water bottles are far more representative of "original" MTB riding and racing than baggies and Osprey packs and dudes on "AM" bikes "schredding the gnar".
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    Your thoughts on weight weenies.

    Completely ignoring weight on parts is insane. Many times the only real way to decide what part is better for your bike is which is lighter. There's so little actual information out there. For instance No one has a test that tells you for sure which handle bar absorbs vibrations better (road bikers care about this kind of thing a lot) and no one you can trust (bike reviews are a hilarious joke) has ridden all the options. So what sets parts apart? Weight.

    Some people seem to really like the idea their bike is burly. I've never had a single problem with my light weight carbon bike, maybe it should be bulkier so I can talk of how burly it is.

    A lot of times the weight weenie forums seem to be the best because people there often have tried multiple things and while some of them only care about weight, most of them just care about best and really seem to pay attention to their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    That said, there's something to be said for the admonishment to "loose a few pounds off your gut before you worry about loosing a pound or two on your bike"
    I agree with that, there's no point in worrying about 100g here and there on the bike when the rider needs to lose 4-5kg off themselves!
    I do find it quite amusing though with the guys who are anal about component spec and weight when they'd be better off avoiding cakes to shave some weight!
    As with everything though, each to their own!

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    Your thoughts on weight weenies.

    Quote Originally Posted by dthomp325 View Post

    That said, bike tech is really freaking cool, and i think bike companies have done an amazing marketing job by releasing high dollar models that make "mid range" buyers think 3k is a sane amount to spend on a bike..
    I was talking to a guy at cervello about why their road bikes don't have disc brakes he said it wasn't an aero thing but that it would cause crashes in the "pro peleton" because riders on disc would outbrake everyone else (not even kidding, makes no sense I know). So I asked "who cares about the pro peleton? What does that have to do with the bikes you actually sell?" Apparently that was a dumb question lol

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    Because the "Race on Sunday, sell on Monday" thing still applies. If you don't think that Trek, Cervelo, BMC, etc have benefitted from people watching pro racers win on their bikes, you're insane.

    And guess what? When people crash out of bike races because their brakes are too powerful, they don't win races, and the company supplying those bikes doesn't sell as many.
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    Your thoughts on weight weenies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Because the "Race on Sunday, sell on Monday" thing still applies. If you don't think that Trek, Cervelo, BMC, etc have benefitted from people watching pro racers win on their bikes, you're insane.

    And guess what? When people crash out of bike races because their brakes are too powerful, they don't win races, and the company supplying those bikes doesn't sell as many.
    Yeah but at the same time the guy who has an advantage under braking makes up time and wins. Plus it would probably be safer if everyone had them and wouldn't it have the add on effect of making road biking safer in general as more consumers would have access to better braking?

    I just thought it was a funny example.

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    I think for the average rider many of the parts people buy to make a bike lighter is going to give them marginal gains if any but if it makes you smile then go for it.

    If you can get the weight off the rotational mass (wheels, tires, etc.) then great but saving a few ounces on a seat post really isn't going to anything.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Uh, just so you know...lycra and water bottles are far more representative of "original" MTB riding and racing than baggies and Osprey packs and dudes on "AM" bikes "schredding the gnar".
    I have an AM bike because that's what I could afford, I use it as a all around trail bike and don't ever ride at DH parks. The only reason I used a water bottle in 1992 when I got my first mtb was because there was no such thing as osprey packs at least to the general bike public. Once there was, everyone who realized the benefit started using them on the trails. At least in the area I grew up, I never rode once with a xc rider who only wore lycra and no shorts but again I've been in the mtb scene since '92 and basing it on my location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Uh, just so you know...lycra and water bottles are far more representative of "original" MTB riding and racing than baggies and Osprey packs and dudes on "AM" bikes "schredding the gnar".
    My first MTB race was in '85 and I've raced seriously, semi seriously, and casually at one time or another since then and yep, the MTB race scene has always been "lycra and water bottles"

    I really don't understand why people seem to need to mention what "they" wear as representing something negative vs what "we" wear representing something positive. Lot's of people seem to be really hung up on that as well as what bike someone rides.

    If you want to race a 35# "AM" bike with flat pedals, riser bars, a triple clamp fork while wearing your pack and hairy legs good for you have fun. If you want to race a 19# hard tail with water bottles, 1.9 semi slicks, flat carbon bars, while wearing carbon shoes, and shave your legs, good for you, have fun.

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    Me thinks that people can spend money on whatever they chose... they earned it. With that said and this being a racing forum... light bikes are better over the long haul if there is a ton of climbing (how much... who knows). For me, if it spins, it's a target for being super light... otherwise I keep it light if I can, but don't worry about it. XT or XTR... X9 or XX... I wouldn't care. 1900g wheels or 1400g wheels... that's a big difference in performance and will make a difference. Logic and being sensible can lead to some light bikes that are reliable and not budget breakers. If you got the coin... ride what you like and ride it like you stole it!
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    There's a big difference between the "just riding" scene and the xc racing scene.

    Racers generally use lycra because it's form fitting and stays out of the way, isn't as hot as layered baggies, and basically is the ideal choice when going fast is the primary concern. Fit racers also generally don't have too many extra pounds of fat hanging on them, so they don't usually feel uncomfortable in fitted clothing.

    Water bottles are preferred for racing because most people, when riding at their limits, prefer extra weight to be on the bike, carried relatively low, rather than on the back, adding an insulating layer in hot weather. XC course laps are rarely over 1 hour in duration; one water bottle per lap makes more sense for most than a hydration pack filled with an excessive amount of heavy water.

    On long rides, in areas I can't count on getting more water quickly, I wear a pack (also for the extra tools I like to have in the backcountry). All other rides, water bottles are the best bet.

    I haven't wished for baggy shorts on any ride in years. All they do is get in the way.

    None of this has anything to do with the road scene in any way. Not that it would matter if it did; many of the faster XC riders (if not most) also ride and race on the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by qdawgg View Post
    I have an AM bike because that's what I could afford, I use it as a all around trail bike and don't ever ride at DH parks. The only reason I used a water bottle in 1992 when I got my first mtb was because there was no such thing as osprey packs at least to the general bike public. Once there was, everyone who realized the benefit started using them on the trails. At least in the area I grew up, I never rode once with a xc rider who only wore lycra and no shorts but again I've been in the mtb scene since '92 and basing it on my location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    One thing I have learned over the years is bike weight isn't as important as most people think it is.
    Yeah, at least at the less than pro categories, as long as it's not something ridiculous like 5 or 6+ lb, the motor, skill and how well the bike suits your style is going to be the most important thing.

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    Look, nobody likes the kid that shows up with shiny $300 cleats but can't footie a lick. So just don't be *that* guy. Weight weenie it out to your heart's content - go for it. But if you are going to show up to a race with a 18 lb all carbon race bike, you'd better bring it on that thing. If you do, you're all right in my book. End of discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbaier View Post
    Look, nobody likes the kid that shows up with shiny $300 cleats but can't footie a lick. So just don't be *that* guy. Weight weenie it out to your heart's content - go for it. But if you are going to show up to a race with a 18 lb all carbon race bike, you'd better bring it on that thing. If you do, you're all right in my book. End of discussion.
    And thats one of my points. If a kid shows up with a fancy 18lb bike but is unable to "bring it", why hate?

    I would be *that* guy during this race in may if I had a fancier bike. Right now strava has me 69/90 for the race loop in May.

    From some of the replies I have read, it seems people can not seperate their own priorities from others with statements like "lose a few pounds off ones self before take weight off the bike". Again, if one loves food and really likes his/her lifestyle with a BMI of 22% then where is his/her crime if they have the $$$ and just want to ride the best? Maybe their time eating out w/friends and family trumps MTB'g, but they still really enjoy MTB'g.

    I am not needing any justification for my actions. Just trying to see the mentality of some seasoned MTB'ers.

    I appreciate all the replies so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gks333 View Post
    I agree, I am in the process of doing a mini workout during my lunch breaks. As for a "trainer" or any stationary machine...forget it!!! 10 mins on a bike/elliptical/rower/treadmill, whatever and shoot me. Tried TV, Magazine, cute women in gym as a ditraction from the boredom and none work. Another reason why I MTB. I lift weights 3X/week and MTB'g is my only form of cardio.
    What I find helps is if you have a countdown timer and always break the turbo session into small chunks with a structured session. (Eg: 5 minute warmup, 5 minute interval, 2 minute cool down, 5 minute interval repeated, 2 minute cool down etc) By concentrating on trying to get each shorter portion done it makes the sessions goals more manageable than if you're on a turbo trainer for a fixed time with no structure.

    I also tend to do the same on the turbo trainer as on long road rides. I'll sing songs and tell myself stories which helps to pass the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gks333 View Post
    I agree, I am in the process of doing a mini workout during my lunch breaks. As for a "trainer" or any stationary machine...forget it!!! 10 mins on a bike/elliptical/rower/treadmill, whatever and shoot me. Tried TV, Magazine, cute women in gym as a ditraction from the boredom and none work. Another reason why I MTB. I lift weights 3X/week and MTB'g is my only form of cardio.
    Then be prepared to be schooled by the other riders in your race who are willing to fight through the boredom of doing the training time - no matter what their bikes weigh.

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    I raced one race in my local series last year on my 33lbs AM HT because I didn't want to ruin everything on my carbon bike, the course was like a small river, literally and I was hours from being able to clean and lubricate everything properly. I ride and race because when i started it was cool to do and fun.

    I also started mtb'ing when I was 12 and I'm 35 now. So I'm a little old school in why I race and mtb. I'm not really into the road rider scene that I've seen emerge at the mtb races. I still wear baggies and if I feel like it I wear my Osprey pack. Mountain biking has such a different vibe to it then it did years ago and right or wrong I sometimes see the weight weenie aspect as a part of that. I understand wanting a light bike though, so I'm not slamming that completely.

    BTW - not slamming people who wear lycra instead of baggies or use a water bottle (because I do too, depending on the race).
    My first race was back in the late 80s as a young teen. Nearly everyone was in lycra. Today nearly everyone is in lycra. This was both Cali and Ariz.

    As far as the weenie thing goes, for a lot of people it is a fun challenge to see how light and awesome looking you can get your bike to look.

    Also, if by looking at your weenie bike, you are inspired to get out and ride/race, then I say do whatever works!

    Spend it if you got it. It supports the bike industry anyhow.. not a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    Then be prepared to be schooled by the other riders in your race who are willing to fight through the boredom of doing the training time - no matter what their bikes weigh.
    Yep, i expect no less. I just want to see how they ride, what they ride, talk to them etc. Just be around people that enjoy biking. I know last years results and the fastest rider in mens open will be close to lapping me (2:29 vs my 4.5hr estimate).
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    And thats one of my points. If a kid shows up with a fancy 18lb bike but is unable to "bring it", why hate?
    Ever seen an doofus with a beautiful girl on his arm? That's why.
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    Whenever I hear someone say someone isn't fast enough to ride a bike like that, I chuckle. Because what is fast enough?

    The fastest people post here are still at least 20% slower than the best racers in the world. 20% is huge; if being quick is the condition for you ride a nice super light bike, then really none of us should be riding a light bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbaier View Post
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    unfortunately, you're right.
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    I think everyone should just ride whatever they can afford. I'm fortunate enough to have plenty of resources (at the moment), and as an engineer, I quickly recognize the point of diminishing returns (XO or XT is as far as I go; and XT has great resale for some reason).

    I also look back at the big picture: spend thousands of dollars on parts to get from "off the podium" to "on the podium" to get a 50 cent ribbon in the old-man division at some local race no one really cares about? It's all pretty funny.

    Also, having access to a few guinea pigs on the team I coach (which by the way, is the poorest team in the state) I put our top rider from a donated $700 Cannondale hardtail (28 pounds?) to a donated old Superfly hardtail (23 pounds). It didn't really change his placing much within the Varsity field (from 17th to 14th).
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    Let me start off this way, I think what I wrote and what I meant were very different. Looking at it again I probably sound like a douchebag and exactly the type of person I was complaining against. So that's my fault.

    Unfortunately the lycra and water bottles comment got mixed in with what I've seen lately in the mtb race scene at least where I've been. I've never had a problem with baggies getting caught or being a distraction on my bike or in a race, so that's personal preference. I also don't care that everyone else is wearing lycra, many of my newer biking friends do on the road and mtb. I've also recently gotten into road biking to maximize my time on the bike for training and now use a water bottle exclusively for training and thinking of trying it for racing. I hate reaching down in a race on the trail though, much easier for me when gasping for fluids to put my tube in my mouth. Again, just personal preference.

    Some of my friends who have been roadies for a long time and have gotten into the mtb scene, partially did because they thought there was a lot of negative energy in a lot of road racing. Some of that I've seen and they've pointed out at mtb races. But again, maybe it's always been like that to some degree. So that is where the road scene got connected to other things unintentionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    One thing I have learned over the years is bike weight isn't as important as most people think it is.
    Yeah, at least at the less than pro categories, as long as it's not something ridiculous like 5 or 6+ lb, it's the riders motor, skill and how well the bike suits their style is going to be the most important thing.

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    Yeah, at least at the less than pro categories, as long as it's not something ridiculous like 5 or 6+ lb, it's the riders motor, skill and how well the bike suits their style is going to be the most important thing.
    That's for sure, one thing I've noticed racing, one of the biggest skill differences between the classes is braking. Beginners usually brake twice as early as those in the higher categories. So much can be made up with skill, the rest is pretty much all fitness assuming your equipment isn't so bad it doesn't function properly.

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    That's for sure, one thing I've noticed racing, one of the biggest skill differences between the classes is braking. Beginners usually brake twice as early as those in the higher categories. So much can be made up with skill, the rest is pretty much all fitness assuming your equipment isn't so bad it doesn't function properly.
    You're thinking of the Kettle carbon rotors? Saving weight on brake rotors but in return ending up with brakes that don't work very well seems like a poor trade off to me.

    If I'm looking at new parts I tend to decide what's preferable based on -

    Function.
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    You're thinking of the Kettle carbon rotors? Saving weight on brake rotors but in return ending up with brakes that don't work very well seems like a poor trade off to me.

    If I'm looking at new parts I tend to decide what's preferable based on -

    Function.
    Reliability.
    Weight.
    Price.

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    What? No I was thinking about when riders start braking. I have formula rotors. They are pretty light and work great.

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    Beginners brake twice as early and 10x as long. I never won a race on a climb but I sure as hell won plenty by not hitting the brakes. I have been trying to get my son to get off the brakes, it sure is fun to watch him start to rip around the twisties instead of slowing way down. Oh, and he rides a 23lb hardtail with carbon wheels. At ten years old he should probably be putting the miles in on some POS 35lb bike but then he wouldn't like it as much and wouldn't want to go out with his old man. I have always been a WW at heart, I generally wear lycra if I feel I can pull it off, and I would much rather use bottle because it is way more comfortable. I say if you have the money spend it on whatever you want. I would rather spend mine on my and my sons bike than video games because I enjoy taking a 20 pound bike off the rack or pushing I up a hike a bike. Pulling a 35lb bike off the roof really sucks, I know because my daughter and I ride a 35lb tandem.

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    What? No I was thinking about when riders start braking. I have formula rotors. They are pretty light and work great.
    Sorry, I thought it was a reference to what is looking like the classic example of weight weenie folly. Saving weight on vital parts and then turning a blind eye to the result - brakes which are no longer able to stop you, even if you start braking earlier.

    "Aaron says the idea was to offer consistent braking performance and let the brakes handle the modulation, not the rider. Most of us are used to modulating the brakes and expect to be able to lock ‘em up on demand. Unless I’m riding on peat gravel, there’s just about no way I’m locking up my rear wheel right now. Nose wheelies? Forget it. Instead, I’m grabbing more brake than I’m used to and slowing down slightly less. Oh Sh!t stops are all but impossible.

    But, that’s the idea, actually. Aaron says they found that they and others were faster overall and able to maintain traction and control better than if the wheels locked up. My take? I haven’t crashed yet, and I do seem to be letting myself flow through corners faster. At first that was because the brakes simply weren’t slowing me down as much, but as a result I’ve learned to take the corners a bit faster. There have been a few scary higher-speed-than-I-would-have-liked turns, but things worked out fine."
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    Sorry, I thought it was a reference to what is looking like the classic example of weight weenie folly. Saving weight on vital parts and then turning a blind eye to the result - brakes which are no longer able to stop you, even if you start braking earlier.

    "Aaron says the idea was to offer consistent braking performance and let the brakes handle the modulation, not the rider. Most of us are used to modulating the brakes and expect to be able to lock ‘em up on demand. Unless I’m riding on peat gravel, there’s just about no way I’m locking up my rear wheel right now. Nose wheelies? Forget it. Instead, I’m grabbing more brake than I’m used to and slowing down slightly less. Oh Sh!t stops are all but impossible.

    But, that’s the idea, actually. Aaron says they found that they and others were faster overall and able to maintain traction and control better than if the wheels locked up. My take? I haven’t crashed yet, and I do seem to be letting myself flow through corners faster. At first that was because the brakes simply weren’t slowing me down as much, but as a result I’ve learned to take the corners a bit faster. There have been a few scary higher-speed-than-I-would-have-liked turns, but things worked out fine."
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    Lol what? That I think backs up what I previously said about reviewers.

    There's a thread in WW right now about having no rear brake, which I think is completely insane. Some of the WW stuff is completely overboard that's for sure, but a lot isn't.

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    Yes, it's interesting and good practice on a trail you know well to see where you're using your brakes when you don't need to. I also race auto-x, and not using your brakes when you don't need to is huge, it's so easy to give them a squeeze for a little comfort. Everytime you use your brakes when not necessary, you have to accellerate when you didn't have to. A lot of it is how you corner, when I got back into cx last fall I was shocked at how badly a lot of otherwise strong/experienced riders take the corners, when proper cornering technique would allow for less braking (and less need to accellerate out of the corner). I was passed more than once over a barrier, but passed the same guy at the next corner as he took it nearly 100% wrong, -all this effort to practice barriers but completely ignore cornering. The available race driving books have so much great info re braking and cornering etc., most all the car stuff applies directly to bike.

    An old mountain biker once told me regarding lycra: "one bee is all it takes". I've been stung quite a few times on the bike, but never 'down there', had a couple of bees stuck in my helmet at times too. I don't think baggies would work well for cx (dismounts, remounts), -I have nothing against fashion, I'm just very practical.

    Also racing since '90, I noticed back then that the beginners by far had the blingiest bikes.

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    I honestly don't care what others do. I don't see why I'd get irritated, annoyed, upset, etc because of how somebody else spends their own money. Some of you who do have issues need to check your ego and just worry about yourself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jimPacNW View Post
    Yes, it's interesting and good practice on a trail you know well to see where you're using your brakes when you don't need to. I also race auto-x, and not using your brakes when you don't need to is huge, it's so easy to give them a squeeze for a little comfort. Everytime you use your brakes when not necessary, you have to accellerate when you didn't have to. A lot of it is how you corner, when I got back into cx last fall I was shocked at how badly a lot of otherwise strong/experienced riders take the corners, when proper cornering technique would allow for less braking (and less need to accellerate out of the corner). I was passed more than once over a barrier, but passed the same guy at the next corner as he took it nearly 100% wrong, -all this effort to practice barriers but completely ignore cornering. The available race driving books have so much great info re braking and cornering etc., most all the car stuff applies directly to bike.

    An old mountain biker once told me regarding lycra: "one bee is all it takes". I've been stung quite a few times on the bike, but never 'down there', had a couple of bees stuck in my helmet at times too. I don't think baggies would work well for cx (dismounts, remounts), -I have nothing against fashion, I'm just very practical.

    Also racing since '90, I noticed back then that the beginners by far had the blingiest bikes.
    +1. I lost my brakes in a muddy CX race last year, I had maybe 20% power, I was FLYING around the corners. I never realized I could corner so fast.

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