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    Witch frame for next year?

    I'm selling my full suspension for about $500. I want to get a carbon frame. I have an older 17in Giant XTC that I'm riding now. So I am picking between the 2 price point frames.
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/191...tain-Frame.htm
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    The Phantom is a 17" has a 70.8 head angle. The Impulse is a 18" with a head angle of 71. From looking at the Geometry of both of them i think i can ride ether one. The top tube on my XTC is 22", the impulse 22.64" and the Phantom is 23.23". Witch one would be better with a 100MM fork? I'm kind of leaning to the Impulse because whille i love my XTC i think the steep head angle helps make it feel a little scary in the really technical stuff we have in Colorado.

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    .2 degree HTA change won't mean much

    the longer TT will though. .6" longer TT will force you to run a shorter stem to have the same reach. this will effectively make your steering faster. not what you seem to be after.

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    Yes I'm looking to slow the handling down a bit. My XTC has a 68 degree head angle with an 80mm fork. I'm trying to figure out if 71 with a 100mm fork will be too much. The effective top tube length is really close to what i have now. I would be looking at other frames but i just cant afford most of the other carbon frames out there.

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    Halloween is the perfect time of year for a Witch frame

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    Lol stupid english language

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    I am really serious about getting one of the 2 frames. I feel a little better about price point over ebay at lest i would have a warranty.

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    Lots of people have the phantom frame http://www.sette-experience.proboard...play&thread=52
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    Get a Litespeed or Merlin

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    Yea wish I could afford one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    Yes I'm looking to slow the handling down a bit. My XTC has a 68 degree head angle with an 80mm fork.
    Really?
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    either...

    while i agree the difference in tt length is a factor, i think either will be a nice upgrade. just throw on a shorter/riser stem or a riser handlebar and i'm sure you will be plenty upright to tackle those trails.

    if you're switching from full susp to hardtail, you're going for a climbing/single track machine. but if you really want some more all-mountain features, the above mods and even getting a 120mm fork will slow things down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser
    I'm selling my full suspension for about $500. I want to get a carbon frame. I have an older 17in Giant XTC that I'm riding now. So I am picking between the 2 price point frames.
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/191...tain-Frame.htm
    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/191...tain-Frame.htm

    The Phantom is a 17" has a 70.8 head angle. The Impulse is a 18" with a head angle of 71. From looking at the Geometry of both of them i think i can ride ether one. The top tube on my XTC is 22", the impulse 22.64" and the Phantom is 23.23". Witch one would be better with a 100MM fork? I'm kind of leaning to the Impulse because whille i love my XTC i think the steep head angle helps make it feel a little scary in the really technical stuff we have in Colorado.
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    I've been looking at the Phantom vs. a Pedalforce. The Phantom wheelbase is an inch longer than the Pedalforce (in 21inch frame) and 3cm longer toptube. This is mostly front end length (the Phantom has shorter chainstays by .5cm). Is the longer wheelbase a good thing?

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    I dont kno if it applies to bikes but one would think a longer wheel base would equal a more stable feeling bike, perhaps thats not true about bikes.
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    I didn't know witches made bike frames. I am familiar with their flying brooms however.
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    The longer wheel base helps over rocky sections of the track it glides over them better then a short wheel base, but then a long wheel base is slower in Realy tight single track

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    I have the Sette Phantom and my brother has the Impulse. Both very nice bikes. They both seem to handle great. But the Phantom is quite a bit lighter

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    im digging the 2010 motobecane team fly ti

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    get another giant. Why leave a life time warranty on the frame.

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