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    Wheelsets

    What wheels are you currently racing? Looking for opinions.

    I'm looking to buy a new 29er set for racing. Dont want to spend more than $900. I'm looking for something dependable that does not need a ton of maintenance. Want to keep them as light as possible for that cost. Custom built or factory built is fine. Currently racing with the Deore hubs/Bontrager rims that came with my Trek X-Cal. Any help is appreciated.

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    American Classic Race, American Classic MTB, Crests/Chris Kings, and Crests/ZTR (budget option, personally I think theyre just as good as the others which I've all ridden) should be your first picks.

    I tested all these combos when looking at my wheels and went with Crests/ZTR just because I wasn't seeing the gains the extra price of the others should have had. CK hubs were very nice, as were the AC's, but the 30 POE of the ZTR hubs are plenty for me.

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    You want whatever Stan's wheelset you can afford.

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    Stans offers low weight, good price and most of all is built to be run tubeless.

    Heres a link to the crest and these are what I will be running next season.

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    You know a few weeks back I was about ready to order some stans crests with the ztr hubs. The weight and price were outstanding. Then I came on here and read reviews and posts complaining of hubs locking up and catastrophic failures and so I figured i'd go another route.

    I saw some shimano xt hubs with crest rims on ebay for $400 for the set. Thought that might be worth jumping on. Was also considering going all out with some dt swiss 240s with crest rims.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Criswell View Post
    You know a few weeks back I was about ready to order some stans crests with the ztr hubs. The weight and price were outstanding. Then I came on here and read reviews and posts complaining of hubs locking up and catastrophic failures and so I figured i'd go another route.

    I saw some shimano xt hubs with crest rims on ebay for $400 for the set. Thought that might be worth jumping on. Was also considering going all out with some dt swiss 240s with crest rims.

    Thoughts?
    My thoughts: Everyone that has an issue with bike components will come here to complain. The higher the # of units sold, the higher the likelihood of complaints. Everyone I know runs Stan's wheelsets...

    I've had 5 Stan's ZTR wheelsets over the years, and only one of them had an endcap loosen up (and this was an earlier design, which they've now changed). And even this was caught in time, and did not result in any damage. For the money, I am unaware of any wheelset that is equal or better.

    I also have an AC Race 29 wheelset, which has been awesome. The wider rim lets me run slightly lower pressures, and the hubs might have slightly less drag. But the bearings need replacing more often, and of course the price is considerably higher...
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    Cheap Chinese Carbon Rims + AC Hubs + Laser spokes + decent wheelbuilder = awesome set of wheels for under $1K.

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    I've been on a set of Bontrager RXL wheels, I picked up used for cheap. No complaints, light enough, foolproof tubeless setup.

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    I am a big fan of my stock crests. They are light and the 30 POE is good enough for just about anyone. However, I am 175 lbs and I feel like I am pushing the wheelset a little too much at times.

    If you are light enough then run the crests. If you are superlight (under 160 or so) then go ahead and run the race golds.

    If you are a heavier dude and/or like to huck/jump/bash then the Arch Ex or Flow Ex might be more for you.

    Also if you read the thread on ZTR hub complaints. It starts off at 2008 or something like that and starts to trail off around 2010. There are a lot of people in there who assume that they aren't as good as super high end hubs so they must be crap and don't understand that there is a level in between crap and $600 dollar hubs. Bhollwell has it right that when you sell a lot more of something, there are going to be an increased number of problems and complaints. For every picture and complaint that you find on the internet there are probably 100 happy quiet customers that don't post anything because they don't have anything to say. The only things that I haven't heard complaints of are ENVE rims. It's probably a combination of such high price (reduced # of sales) and high quality that makes it that way.

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    I'm on my second set of stans wheels. I see no reason to run anything else! Actually, my wife uses them too. So, 4th set!

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    I had a set of stans crests. Destroyed the rear and replaced it with an arch EX rim. Holding up okay. Wheels are too flexy and the rear is slowly getting beat up....

    Trying to decide if I will destroy a Specialized Roval Control SL 29er set if I buy them.... Those are some expensive rim replacements.

    Im only 165 pounds but I like to fly downhill as fast as possible. In the rooty southeast Its pretty tough on wheels to ride aggressively.
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    For the record, stans rocks. As long a you stay within reason (weight and riding style) on the rim. My flow wheelset has only needed truing twice in 2 years of HARD riding. 1st true was a stick in the spokes breaking a couple. 2nd true was a hard wreck with a huge lateral load on the side of my rear wheel. Knocked it out of whack pretty good.
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    I've been running a set of Stan's ZTRs built onto a set of XTR hubs, only 40 g heavier than a King hub, rebuild able ball bearing, light rims, tubeless. I've got four seasons of marathon/xc racing on them and only trashed the rear rim once, rebuild the hubs in the off seasons, and keep on going. What else do you want in a wheel set?

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    I run crest with ac hub on the front and arch ex wih ac hub on the back. Bit more strength on the back works well.

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    I have been running/beating on some stans gold race wheelset for sometime now. I ride everything from competitive XC, 50 milers/100miles, and just all around riding and they have been great for me.

    I think Stans are definitely the way to go!

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    if you're thinking of running tires with a UST bead (or full blown UST tires), there's also the new WTB Frequency rims to consider. Mine (i19's) have held up just fine to a bunch of fat guy slow XC 'racing' thus far. I _think_ I've read that they're lighter than several of the Stan's rims.

    Either way, pick a rim, decent double butted spokes (2.0/1.5 if you're light enough), and a hub, and plenty of folks can build 'em up for you. I'm pretty impressed with mine from Universal Cycles, it seems as though they don't really charge a premium to have 'em built - Mine were right about $300 - WTB i19s, 2.0/1.7 spokes, Shimano 629 hubs. Plenty of room in your budget to save weight in the spokes and the hubs.

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    I race on AC all mountain 29 tubeless wheels.

    I'm 270 pounds.

    Probably as light as I am going to go until i lose alot of weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bopApocalypse View Post
    if you're thinking of running tires with a UST bead (or full blown UST tires), there's also the new WTB Frequency rims to consider. Mine (i19's) have held up just fine to a bunch of fat guy slow XC 'racing' thus far. I _think_ I've read that they're lighter than several of the Stan's rims.
    WTB Frequency i19 29er = 435g

    Stans ZTR Crest 29er = 380g

    Thats for the xc rim comparison. Comparing them to all mountain rims wouldnt really be apples to apples.

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    I've had numerous wheels and can say without a doubt that Stan's with ZTR hubs are the way to go. I've used the Crest and Alpine rims in 26" and 29" versions. The tubeless setup is a breeze and can be used with nearly any tire without a tube or rubber rim strip. They are light and very solid, and with ZTR hubs, inexpensive. If you want to throw the cash at it, upgrade the hubs but it isn't necessary.

    That said, I picked up a Chinese carbon hardtail 29er and also ordered some of the 29er carbon wheels. They are complete wheels and I've now ridden them twice with tubes and they are very nice and stiff. The hubs are smooth and the wheel build was good. There was a little spoke pinging at first but was gone after 2 hard accelerations.

    Last night I setup the Carbon wheels with Stan's rim tape, rubber strips, sealer, and a set of Conti Race King ProTection tires. I had a devil of a time getting them to air up but once I got smart and used some soapy water, I had minimal issues. They held air over night and so I'm happy so far. The bike needs to be put back together and I'll share some reviews when I get a ride in. For sub-$500, you can't beat Stan's ZTR or maybe we can add the Chinese carbon rims to that list.
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    Spesh Rovals. Suppose to be high quality, but they are slow compared to my old SLR's. Not as durable either (spoke issues).

    I'll most likely dump them and get Stan's. I so wish his wheels had more 'personality' but given their function, they are still the goto wheel.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Guppie58 View Post
    Spesh Rovals. Suppose to be high quality, but they are slow compared to my old SLR's. Not as durable either (spoke issues).

    I'll most likely dump them and get Stan's. I so wish his wheels had more 'personality' but given their function, they are still the goto wheel.
    Which roval? Im eyeing the control carbon SLs for next season. Been saving my mechanics pay for 2 months already
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor69 View Post
    I've had numerous wheels and can say without a doubt that Stan's with ZTR hubs are the way to go. I've used the Crest and Alpine rims in 26" and 29" versions. The tubeless setup is a breeze and can be used with nearly any tire without a tube or rubber rim strip. They are light and very solid, and with ZTR hubs, inexpensive. If you want to throw the cash at it, upgrade the hubs but it isn't necessary.

    That said, I picked up a Chinese carbon hardtail 29er and also ordered some of the 29er carbon wheels. They are complete wheels and I've now ridden them twice with tubes and they are very nice and stiff. The hubs are smooth and the wheel build was good. There was a little spoke pinging at first but was gone after 2 hard accelerations.

    Last night I setup the Carbon wheels with Stan's rim tape, rubber strips, sealer, and a set of Conti Race King ProTection tires. I had a devil of a time getting them to air up but once I got smart and used some soapy water, I had minimal issues. They held air over night and so I'm happy so far. The bike needs to be put back together and I'll share some reviews when I get a ride in. For sub-$500, you can't beat Stan's ZTR or maybe we can add the Chinese carbon rims to that list.
    What are those carbon wheels? Where'd you order them from?

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    So alot of recommendations for the Stans. I'm definitely considering some Arch Ex or Crests. Anyone had any problem with the tension problems i've been reading about on the forums recently? Also at the moment i am still using tubes. I have no plans on going tubeless but wouldn't mind having the option later. Any issues runnong the Stan's with tubes?

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    I rode these Chinese carbon rims tubeless about 10 miles so far. At this point, I am quite happy with them.

    Criswell, and I ordered the unbranded carbon 29er wheels from a_bay_goods on ebay. They come from China and ran about 460 with shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Criswell View Post
    So alot of recommendations for the Stans. I'm definitely considering some Arch Ex or Crests. Anyone had any problem with the tension problems i've been reading about on the forums recently? Also at the moment i am still using tubes. I have no plans on going tubeless but wouldn't mind having the option later. Any issues runnong the Stan's with tubes?
    No tension problems here. In 2 years of riding the 26" wheels, I've only had them trued once. Too early to tell if the 29" wheels will be just as good. I've only had the bike for 2 months.

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    Roval Carbon SL's this year on my SS. Have been a great choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Criswell View Post
    So alot of recommendations for the Stans. I'm definitely considering some Arch Ex or Crests. Anyone had any problem with the tension problems i've been reading about on the forums recently? Also at the moment i am still using tubes. I have no plans on going tubeless but wouldn't mind having the option later. Any issues runnong the Stan's with tubes?
    What the heck are tubes and why on earth would anyone use them?

    I've had great success with Stans rims and have no intention of running anything else, anytime soon. I have no personal experience with the Stans hubs, but a lot of the people I ride with have no complaints about them.

    You've mentioned that you're considering DT Swiss hubs. In my experience, the DT 240's are tough to beat. They're very light and very durable - perfect race day hubs. They're pretty expensive though unless you can find a deal on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    Trying to decide if I will destroy a Specialized Roval Control SL 29er set if I buy them.... Those are some expensive rim replacements.

    Im only 165 pounds but I like to fly downhill as fast as possible. In the rooty southeast Its pretty tough on wheels to ride aggressively.
    They come with lifetime warranty, so even if you break them you just warranty them.

    I've used the Control SL this year and have had no issues hammering through lots of rock gardens. They are still as true as the day I got them. I'm 145lbs on 26", but they have a rider limit of 240lbs, so you'll be fine.

    Edit: tubless set up was a breeze with Stan's, 2-bliss ready tires and a hand pump.

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    I love my Industry 9 Ultralites with Crest rims and a Lefty front hub. Same weight as the stock Stan's build but stronger and prettier.


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    +1 on Stan's- Arches or Crests depending on your weight.

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    I weigh 175 and I have both the stock crests and 2013 roval control SL's.

    I bought the crests used and have trued them once so far, but in all fairness I probably should have trued them as soon as I got them. They are pretty nice, the hub is I think one of the best hubs for the price. The 30 poe is good enough for most people and they have a nice sound which isn't super loud or super quiet. The wheels flex a little bit, but I ride them pretty hard and have had no problems with them.

    The $1700 for the roval SL's is the MSRP with S representing the "suggested" price. I was quoted from two different shops for cheaper than the $1700 msrp. Like many have said, they carry the limited lifetime warranty and the way that I interpret it is that as long as they aren't hosed due to a crash then as long as you the primary owner own them they will warranty the rims and hubs for defects or breakage from normal use. Another thing that you are buying are the DT240 internals along with the Roval carbon hub shells. The DT240 hub with it's 36 point of engagement is pretty sweet and has a nice sound although I wish it were a little louder. The spokes that are used are super thin and light weight and everytime I pull up a stick I think I am going to break spokes. The rims and the wheel build in general is excellent. They are so efficient to pedal it feels like cheating sometimes. They spin forever and are super stiff. I have only 100 miles on them, but so far they are pretty much perfect.

    Before I bought the SL's (along with my bike) I was talking to my shop and I was saying how I was planning on going with a LB chinese carbon rim and hope hubs for around $650 build and have two wheelsets for the price of the Rovals. I think Specialized understands this and they do not want to lose a market share to unbranded chinese rims especially when they are still trying to set the image that Rovals are premium high end wheels and get their name out there as such.

    ENVE was not an option for me due to $$, and I would rather go with a LB/Hope build than Reynolds wheels.

    So, yea, the SL's are expensive, but likely not as expensive as the MSRP would suggest and if you are buying a bike at the same time can probably get a cheaper price for them. Not only are you buying the warranty, but you are buying 240 hub internals and fancy spokes as well. If I didn't have the means or the option to go with the SL's then I have no problem running the Crests as I still do on my HT as they are damn good for what they are intended for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    Which roval? Im eyeing the control carbon SLs for next season. Been saving my mechanics pay for 2 months already
    Carbon Rovals. I see more value in selling them than keeping them. I just find the engagement slow, but again, I'm comparing them to SLR's, which are a little better than Rovals. The Rovals were the only wheels I've ever had spoke issues with.

    People are willing to pay a lot of the wheels so after this season I'll CL them.

    I'm not saying they are bad wheels, just.....meh.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BShow View Post
    What the heck are tubes and why on earth would anyone use them?

    I've had great success with Stans rims and have no intention of running anything else, anytime soon. I have no personal experience with the Stans hubs, but a lot of the people I ride with have no complaints about them.

    You've mentioned that you're considering DT Swiss hubs. In my experience, the DT 240's are tough to beat. They're very light and very durable - perfect race day hubs. They're pretty expensive though unless you can find a deal on them.
    Lol.

    I had the opportunity to ride a buddy's tricked out Cannondale Flash w/ ENVE rims. I was like "What's the big deal, I like the way my aluminum C'dale w/ Crest rims rides better". Turns out he had tubes in the tires and 50% more air pressure than I usually run (30 psi vs. 21 psi).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guppie58 View Post
    Carbon Rovals. I see more value in selling them than keeping them. I just find the engagement slow, but again, I'm comparing them to SLR's, which are a little better than Rovals. The Rovals were the only wheels I've ever had spoke issues with.

    People are willing to pay a lot of the wheels so after this season I'll CL them.

    I'm not saying they are bad wheels, just.....meh.
    I think there are multiple carbon rovals. The ones I played with on Wednesday had about 60 points of engagement. They were the Control Sls.

    Supposedly they have DT swiss 240 internals, but no DT swiss hub has 60 points of engagement. These were bone stock too... But everything about them felt quality.


    What were your spoke issues? Im interested in learning as much as possible before I take the plunge.
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    They are definitely 36 POE with the 36 tooth star ratchet. I haven't heard of DT swiss making anything higher than 36 POE. Maybe the older Roval SL's have the 18 tooth star ratchet for 18 POE, but I don't know for sure. I have run a 15 POE hub and can definitely attest that 15 feels sloppy (at least for me) and too slow to engage even for normal XC riding. I would assume that 18 would feel the same. To drop Roval prices on an 18 POE hub seems a little silly to me.

    My spokes are definitely thin and are straight pull and even though the build is good and the rims and hubs are strong the spokes are very thin in order to keep the weight down. I have also heard of spokes being completely loose or broken and the SL wheel still being true due to the rim strength. It seems like to me that the spokes are the weakest link in the build. Then again, who would want to drop a bunch of money for fancy carbon hubs/rims only to start adding a bunch of weight in the spokes.

    The specialized weight limit is 240 pounds for a 1450 gram wheelset. So that is a testament to how strong Specialized thinks that the wheels are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
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    They are definitely 36 POE with the 36 tooth star ratchet. I haven't heard of DT swiss making anything higher than 36 POE. Maybe the older Roval SL's have the 18 tooth star ratchet for 18 POE, but I don't know for sure. I have run a 15 POE hub and can definitely attest that 15 feels sloppy (at least for me) and too slow to engage even for normal XC riding. I would assume that 18 would feel the same. To drop Roval prices on an 18 POE hub seems a little silly to me.

    My spokes are definitely thin and are straight pull and even though the build is good and the rims and hubs are strong the spokes are very thin in order to keep the weight down. I have also heard of spokes being completely loose or broken and the SL wheel still being true due to the rim strength. It seems like to me that the spokes are the weakest link in the build. Then again, who would want to drop a bunch of money for fancy carbon hubs/rims only to start adding a bunch of weight in the spokes.

    The specialized weight limit is 240 pounds for a 1450 gram wheelset. So that is a testament to how strong Specialized thinks that the wheels are.

    Do you own the Control Carbon 29s? They use revolution spokes according to Specializeds website.
    And the control SL 29s use revoluton/aerolites.

    No mention of straight pulls anywhere on the website.

    No mention of POE on specializeds website either. Though I am positive that the Control SL 29s have about 60 POE(stock). I counted on Wednesday.

    I know they they feel stiff as SH**. Cant wait to get some trail time on a set. Im gonna have an Stiff-gasm coming from a set of Crests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    Supposedly they have DT swiss 240 internals
    My Control SL have the DT Swiss logo on the hub.

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    There are new Carbon Control wheels this year, but they are a bit cheaper ($1200) and heavier than the SLs. On the Spec website it doesn't say what their internal hubs are, so I'd assume they are not DT Swiss.

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    They look exactly like the website. They are the grand daddy super high end (for Roval) 2013 Carbon Control SL 29 142+ which means that they will only work with 142+ rear dropouts. I probably should have gone with the non-142+ variety for interchangeability sake, but the way that I look at it is just that this wheelset will always go with the bike that I got them with and if anything breaks then I will either get it warrantied or pay for crash replacement. I plan on keeping this bike for my or it's lifetime. They have the DT swiss logos and are definitely 36 POE.

    I am intrigued where you saw wheels with 60 POE and any insight would be interesting. Maybe you mis-counted or mis-remembered. Maybe you are right and looked at something that I don't know about. As far as I know, DT swiss only goes up to 36 POE.

    I was told that the $1200 MSRP no-bead-lock carbon wheels wouldn't be available until late fall or so.

    I don't know which spokes they actually used, but my wheels are just like the image (zoom in) and are straight pull spokes and appear to all be the same. I thought that I read somewhere that the 2012 Roval SL's were Revo/Aero with the Aero being the red spokes in the wedge since they couldn't get Red Revo spokes or I might have that backwards. It might just be a carry-over/typo from the 2012 wheelset.

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    I now have 2 sets of the Control SL carbon's. Both have 36 POE and are great wheels. Have no regrets with either set, still have my Stans Crest w/240 hubs as backups. The Controls are so much stiffer. Cannot imagine going back to an I9 or Stans.

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    Now, I don't think you can fairly say that they're stiffer than Industry 9s, can you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning Lizard View Post
    I now have 2 sets of the Control SL carbon's. Both have 36 POE and are great wheels. Have no regrets with either set, still have my Stans Crest w/240 hubs as backups. The Controls are so much stiffer. Cannot imagine going back to an I9 or Stans.

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    im hearing great things about the WTB i19, light and strong, I just bought a set with dt swiss 350 hubs for my tallboy...$350.00 (tubeless ready) 1820 grams a set with the skewer, Cant beat it for the price!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Now, I don't think you can fairly say that they're stiffer than Industry 9s, can you?
    Yep, I9 does not make rims and if you go with something to make them stiff their weight puts them out of the racing wheel weight range. And not to mention the I9 POE makes the wheel draggy for racing.

    I have had numerous I9's over the years and they are really well made hubs, but not for me for elite racing.

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    Since you've owned plenty, I'm sure you're aware that half the pawls in the I9 freehub can be removed, so why say that? The weight of the Ultralite 29s is exactly the same as a set of Notubes wheels with ZTR hubs.

    Subjectively, I feel that the I9 build is much stiffer while having the same rims. For me, the weight and durability is excellent for racing Cat 1. At 6'4"/180 I tend to destroy hubs, break spokes, and drivetrains.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning Lizard View Post
    Yep, I9 does not make rims and if you go with something to make them stiff their weight puts them out of the racing wheel weight range. And not to mention the I9 POE makes the wheel draggy for racing.

    I have had numerous I9's over the years and they are really well made hubs, but not for me for elite racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Since you've owned plenty, I'm sure you're aware that half the pawls in the I9 freehub can be removed, so why say that? The weight of the Ultralite 29s is exactly the same as a set of Notubes wheels with ZTR hubs.

    Subjectively, I feel that the I9 build is much stiffer while having the same rims. For me, the weight and durability is excellent for racing Cat 1. At 6'4"/180 I tend to destroy hubs, break spokes, and drivetrains.
    My Rovals are 1410 grams and alot stiffer then I9's with Crest rims. Crest rims are noodles and those wheels actually weighed a 1/2 heavier. Ride what you want, but facts are facts. There is no way the Crest rim is stiffer then any carbon rim.

    And since you destroy wheels, the Rovals would be perfect for you with the lifetime warranty.

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    Stiffness is subjective, not very measurable, but it's a term that gets thrown around a lot on these forums. Pinch your tire and then pinch your rim. Which part do you think is less stiff and will immediately flex more when you push it in a corner? The fact that the I9s are not slower spinning (like you originally said), but are about 1/2 the price of Rovals is measurable and better resembles a fact.

    I have a doctor friend that owns some Rovals, they look very nice. I'd have liked to mate my I9s with some Enves, which are similarly as expensive as Rovals, but no lighter than Crests. My main problem has been loosening spokes in the rear, and breaking pawls on hubs. Those two problems appear to be cured with I9 strong hubs and big straight pull spokes.

    A decent Crest 29er wheel build weighs about 1570 grams so I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers. A set of ZTR Race wheels is less than half the cost of Rovals. I'll give you that they're probably not near as durable but they weigh less.



    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning Lizard View Post
    My Rovals are 1410 grams and alot stiffer then I9's with Crest rims. Crest rims are noodles and those wheels actually weighed a 1/2 heavier. Ride what you want, but facts are facts. There is no way the Crest rim is stiffer then any carbon rim.

    And since you destroy wheels, the Rovals would be perfect for you with the lifetime warranty.

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    crest and dt240s combo - dt240s is light and probably the easiest to service of all hubs available while crest will allow you to run tubeless. Depending on your weight, you may get away with lacing it with dt revolution spokes, otherwise dt competition for more durability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Stiffness is subjective, not very measurable, but it's a term that gets thrown around a lot on these forums. Pinch your tire and then pinch your rim. Which part do you think is less stiff and will immediately flex more when you push it in a corner? The fact that the I9s are not slower spinning (like you originally said), but are about 1/2 the price of Rovals is measurable and better resembles a fact.

    I have a doctor friend that owns some Rovals, they look very nice. I'd have liked to mate my I9s with some Enves, which are similarly as expensive as Rovals, but no lighter than Crests. My main problem has been loosening spokes in the rear, and breaking pawls on hubs. Those two problems appear to be cured with I9 strong hubs and big straight pull spokes.

    A decent Crest 29er wheel build weighs about 1570 grams so I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers. A set of ZTR Race wheels is less than half the cost of Rovals. I'll give you that they're probably not near as durable but they weigh less.
    Now I see your problem, you keep talking about cost. Who cares about cost? I am saying the Rovals are better wheels overall. And the I9's DO NOT ROLL BETTER. In fact out of all of the wheels I have owned they were the slowest rolling, call I9 themselves and they will admit it. Now I know you are not saying you know better then I9? And how many miles have you used the Rovals for? I raced on I9's for 2 years, have done 20 races this year on the Rovals and the difference is amazing.

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    Add the Sun Ringle Black Flag Pro wheel set to your list. Light, tough and the hubs roll like crazy. They come with Stans rim strips, skewers and 9, 15 and 20mm hub conversions. Can be had for just a little over half of your budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Add the Sun Ringle Black Flag Pro wheel set to your list. Light, tough and the hubs roll like crazy. They come with Stans rim strips, skewers and 9, 15 and 20mm hub conversions. Can be had for just a little over half of your budget.
    +1, real tough wheelset to beat for the dollar.

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    Now I see your problem, you keep talking about cost. Who cares about cost? ....
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    +1, real tough wheelset to beat for the dollar.
    Cost is always important. Winning a debate is not. Take the superlatives down a smidge and try to be a little more objective, that would be helpful to everybody, thanks. I know plenty of fast guys, faster than me, even, that ride less than the best.

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