I hear you and its all good, no hard feelings, just a good discussion going on, like it should.
Lactic acid is nobody's enemy. I think you focus too much on the "overall" fitness aspect and forget the specificity principle.
Any MTBer should focus on improving at least a few important things fitness-wise: their FTP, their AWC and power, their vo2max power, in no particular order.
I dont get the relation between body fat % and improving overall fitness, they're not interdependant. At some point which comes after a few good training years, improving overall fitness and physical condition wont do much for your cycling, or, at least, will do a lot worst then pedaling your bike in a meaningful way.
RE pushing your limits, it can be done on the bike, but I think what you mean is more on the psychological side of things. Bring on any gym-beast who's decent at cycling against a real competitive cyclist, the gym beast doesnt stand a chance. Why? Because his physiology simply doesnt match the cyclist's one. The hability to overcome fatigue CAN be strengthened in the gym, the question is what kind of fatigue are we refering to here?
Since this is a cycling forum: endurance cycling involves metabolical fatigue coming from different energy production systems. To be a more powerful cyclist, one needs to improve his central and peripheal adaptations to increase/push the "threshold" (loose term) at which will come that fatigue. The main goal in cycling is producing as much power as possible while using as little energy as possible all that resulting in as little fatigue as possible. Improving power at different length of time should be a priority for any cyclist who wants to become faster.
People often make easy assumptions based on popular beliefs which often end up being total myth or crooked logical conclusions. Cycling training is literally filled with myths and exemples based on pros or "reknown" coaches. Yet, those coaches would touch my training plan with a 10 foot pole.
I'd reiterate the following important bit of the discussion: it really comes down to who you are, what you need: individualisation.
Although I think the discussion is aimed at getting better at cycling using weight lifting for the legs.
Could you define more precisely what you are refering to when speaking of gym work etc? Is it weight lifting? Plyos? X-fit? Max strength?
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Originally Posted by RiotMTB
Some links worth reading and contemplating...
Does Weight Training Benefit Cycling? Yes
Strength train off the bike, not on it!!
Weekly strength training during the racing season makes cyclists faster
I did hypertrophy session #1 last night on the legs and am feeling it today....
Good luck getting on and off the toilet.
Ill state the obvious. Lifting weights make you strong long term, but weak in the short term.
If you are fine with heavy legs for a couple days after your weight workouts, go for it. I personally dont like that feeling in my legs so I dont do it. I am a firm believer in specificity.
Remember we are racing mountain bikes. Most of us are not sprinting on the road or track.
Though I do pushups/pull ups once a week to hold my arm warmers up though
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Even for sprinting on the road, weight lifting is useless.
Track standing starts, yes.
I properly planned weight lifting plan shouldnt affect your on the bike training much, if not at all.
Originally Posted by Devincicx
Good thoughts on the frequency being needed is actually less here.
A lot to consider, thanks everyone.
Lately I've been skipping rope and have focused on my shoulder and abdominal work outs. I was a bit of a hefty toad for a while, but riding bikes helped me lose a lot of that weight. Now my body is suffering a little. For a while, I only got into shape to be better at riding. Now I know riding needs to be a part of staying in shape.
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Others would disagree with you in terms of weight lifting and bone density.
Originally Posted by Devincicx
Cycling and Bone Health: Why Cyclists MUST Lift Weights « AnthonyColpo
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it surely is better then cycling alone, but would not be a wise choice for someone who wants to work on bone density. Higher impact sports would be my choice, not weight lifting, it serves other purposes.