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    Super Fly FS 9.9 vs. Jet9 RDO vs. S Works Epic

    I "tried" out a xc cat 3 race last year and was hooked after the first 3miles. Sold my over sized trail bike to build an Epic carbon. That bike was great but ended up selling the frame set for more than I paid for it 2 weeks ago. Needless to say I'm on the hunt for a great bike. Problem is no one in my area of iL carries any of these top shelf bikes. Trying to decide which route to take. Think I've settled on FS. My build out would be xx1 cranks with full xtr components and Stans Race Gold wheel set. My epic was just over 24lbs with pedals. A few pound either way would be fine.

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    I have no complaints on my Jet9 RDO except for rock chips in the clearcoat. I see quite a few of those out here in UT being race, but not much of the other two. I haven't ridden the other two though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayztoyz View Post
    My build out would be xx1 cranks with full xtr components and Stans Race Gold wheel set.
    Thanks for the help
    I would go with XX1 over XTR. I can't imagine buying a new bike with top end components that isn't 1x11.

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    Where in IL are you located? I would go with the Superfly, but I am bit biased.

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    Really liked my old Epic. It was a solid bike. The Trek would be a watered down Project One build. I already own everything to build the bike the way I would like it. 1x11 was tempting...but I already own full XTR that I purchased new last August. It has maybe 100 miles on it...maybe. I'm located in northern IL....Oswego area.

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    Spokes in Wheaton usually keeps a few S-Works Epics and SJ HTs in stock. Give them a call and see what they have.
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    I'm trying to imagine a place where I couldn't use a 1x11, and I'm stumped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I'm trying to imagine a place where I couldn't use a 1x11, and I'm stumped.
    +1. Especially in IL, where there are no mountains...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    IMO 1x11 is pretty useless with our racing. Too much varied terrain, I run full XTR and would never go back to the single front ring.
    Have you ever used 1x11? For an endurance racer (NUE 100milers) its the cats ass.

    I moved 1x10 to 1x11 and you get a better range of gearing for climbing and flats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Have you ever used 1x11? For an endurance racer (NUE 100milers) its the cats ass.
    He was saying the exact same thing as you. It was Flucod that was trashing 1x11...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1321 View Post
    He was saying the exact same thing as you. It was Flucod that was trashing 1x11...
    My bad I quoted the wrong post. Thanks and fixed.
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    My point, I guess, was that I already own full XTR trail with the XX1 crank/chain ring. Everything has less than 100 miles. So replacing the group set at this point would be more money. I didn't say it wasn't worth it nor did I say it's not needed. I was trying to get some opinions on fame sets...not group sets.

    Sorry if my original post was misleading.


    Ended up purchasing a left over 2013 S-Works Epic frame set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayztoyz View Post
    My point, I guess, was that I already own full XTR trail with the XX1 crank/chain ring. Everything has less than 100 miles. So replacing the group set at this point would be more money. I didn't say it wasn't worth it nor did I say it's not needed. I was trying to get some opinions on fame sets...not group sets.

    Sorry if my original post was misleading.


    Ended up purchasing a left over 2013 S-Works Epic frame set.
    No, someone else said it wasn't worth it. Totally understand using what you've got...

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    I raced a Trek Superfly 100 for 2 seasons and liked the bike - it was my first full suspension 29er. Thought it was great actually, that is, until I rode an epic. I realized really quickly that the Trek was just a barge of a bike that handles like a tank. The epic with the short chainstays handled so much better. Just rips around turns, very flickable, and (even though this may sound weird it helps in riding stuff smooth)easy to wheelie drop/jump rooty or rocky sections. The Epic was a little firmer ride - something about the brain just doesn't let that bike get plush, but hey it's an XC race bike after all. That's really the only 2 big differences between the Epic and Superfly. Way better handling with the Epic versus a plusher ride on the Superfly. Never ridden a Jet, so can't comment on that. Good luck with your decision.

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    "Epic and Superfly both good bikes but the RDO is way to heavy for a race bike."

    Yeah, that 1/3 of a lb is a real killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ger View Post
    "Epic and Superfly both good bikes but the RDO is way to heavy for a race bike."

    Yeah, that 1/3 of a lb is a real killer.
    Epic large framset is 5.0lbs
    Jet 9 Rdo and Superfly are just under 5 lbs in large.

    FYI Santa. Cruz tallboy 2 is same as Epic sworks, 5 lbs for a large.
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    Rode a non carbon Tall Boy for about 50 trail miles over a weekend. Great bike. But no real support in my area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    Epic large framset is 5.0lbs
    Jet 9 Rdo and Superfly are just under 5 lbs in large.

    FYI Santa. Cruz tallboy 2 is same as Epic sworks, 5 lbs for a large.
    My large Jet 9 RDO actually came in just over 5lb. That's where I was getting the extra 1/3 lb compared to a 5lb Epic. But it rides good for a boat anchor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    Epic large framset is 5.0lbs
    Jet 9 Rdo and Superfly are just under 5 lbs in large.

    FYI Santa. Cruz tallboy 2 is same as Epic sworks, 5 lbs for a large.
    LOL no. The RDO is coming a bit heavier than the Sworks. A teamate just purchased one.
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    No reason you couldn't run a 1x10 setup with the XTR and an XX1 style front ring. It would be more than adequate in IL for racing (and most places).

    As mentioned elsewhere, the RDO frame is in the same weight category as an Epic... so don't fret that too much.

    I'm partial to the Epic, but I have several Niners (all HT though) and they are a great company. I don't care for the cable routing on the RDO though. I also think the RDO is a bit dated at this point. The design hasn't been updated in a LONG time and it's chain stays are on the long side. As someone who rides and races in the midwest, I'm not a fan of long chain stay bikes. That's why I picked up an Epic WC to try out this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayztoyz View Post
    My point, I guess, was that I already own full XTR trail with the XX1 crank/chain ring. Everything has less than 100 miles. So replacing the group set at this point would be more money. I didn't say it wasn't worth it nor did I say it's not needed. I was trying to get some opinions on fame sets...not group sets.

    Sorry if my original post was misleading.


    Ended up purchasing a left over 2013 S-Works Epic frame set.
    Air 9 RDO would have been a better choice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwitte View Post
    Air 9 RDO would have been a better choice!
    Yeah if you want to bring a knife to a gun fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Yeah if you want to bring a knife to a gun fight.
    Inside thing...not to worry.

    As for this particular topic...I myself am giving the SF100 a try for next season...partially a team thing. Owned a first generation Jet 9 RDO and it was a good riding bike, but had a defect that eventually got warrantied. Ended up selling that to a buddy and went back to a hardtail. Now back the other way this year...seem to be stuck in that FS to HT to FS etc. cycle. I wanted to like the Epics, even demoed a couple last Fall, but just did not get on with them at all. Other than the sizes not working for me, the concept just doesn't seem right. Folks who swear by it say it's the best of 2 worlds, but it seems like the worst of 2 worlds to me. Different strokes...

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    I'll be racing XX1 in NY, VA, NC, IL, WI, UT, CO, and OR this year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Yeah if you want to bring a knife to a gun fight.
    I'm from IL. A HT is the weapon of choice for most Midwest trails.
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    Re: Super Fly FS 9.9 vs. Jet9 RDO vs. S Works Epic

    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Not tall enough gear and not low enough gear with 1x11. If you like use it. Not for me, not enough at each end.


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    You're giving up about one shift at either end. If you're weak enough to require a lower gear than your chainring choice allows, then you're probably not strong enough to push a higher gear than the one available at your top end in a xc race situation anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Not tall enough gear and not low enough gear with 1x11. If you like use it. Not for me, not enough at each end.


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    This is why I went 2x10 instead of 1x11 on my latest race bike. Plus I heard of people having to switch out front chain rings at the races to get the gearing they need. Screw that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Yea, only have won 20 Cat 1 races. Maybe I would make the Olympics if I switched to 1x11.

    You have no idea what you are talking about, do you ride where I do? 4,000 ft climbs at 25% grade then 6 miles on a long doubletrack descent? Bring your 1 x 11 so I beat you ignorant butt up and down!

    Go ahead and respond how awesome you are. What class do you race? Pathetic. You want to attack me? Bring it, PUNK!

    I don't think he said anything that bad? I ride a 2x10 and like it, and I race Cat 1, albeit slowly. It's all about what works for you and your riding style/fitness.

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    I'd run 1x11 but until I can afford to justify the expense I'll run my XTR. I had XX on a bike and kept breaking the shift levers. SRAM was awesome about taking care of me. With Shimano going to 11spd this year on Ultegra and Dura Ace it's just a matter of time until the have a mtb 11spd group too. (I'm hoping anyway.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Yea, only have won 20 Cat 1 races. Maybe I would make the Olympics if I switched to 1x11.

    You have no idea what you are talking about, do you ride where I do? 4,000 ft climbs at 25% grade then 6 miles on a long doubletrack descent? Bring your 1 x 11 so I beat you ignorant butt up and down!

    Go ahead and respond how awesome you are. What class do you race? Pathetic. You want to attack me? Bring it, PUNK!
    Show me these 6 mile, 25% climbs on Strava.

    Oh, and I'll be getting my "Pro" license back this year. I took a four year hiatus to jump out of airplanes and kill people in AFG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Yea, only have won 20 Cat 1 races. Maybe I would make the Olympics if I switched to 1x11.

    You have no idea what you are talking about, do you ride where I do? 4,000 ft climbs at 25% grade then 6 miles on a long doubletrack descent? Bring your 1 x 11 so I beat you ignorant butt up and down!

    Go ahead and respond how awesome you are. What class do you race? Pathetic. You want to attack me? Bring it, PUNK!
    All that work and then not even a singletrack descent. I can see why you're so angry. I empathize with you.

    I race Cat 1. Currently on 1x10 36T/11-36. My new bike will have 1x11. I'm not sure if I'll use the 10 or 42, but surprisingly enough, the cassette is lighter than an 11-36. Ride what you want. I wasn't attacking you specifically btw, just saying in general for most people (myself included) if you can't push a 42T on the climbs, then you're probably not doing a sustained 25mph+ on the flats. Of course if all of your downhills are doubletrack, then I could see maybe you need the bigger gears...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Show me these 6 mile, 25% climbs on Strava.

    Oh, and I'll be getting my "Pro" license back this year. I took a four year hiatus to jump out of airplanes and kill people in AFG.
    Thank you for your service! Congrats on your Pro license. I'll be racing Cat3 this season. Hoping do well enough to take on the challenge of Cat2 next year as I turn 40.

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    Re: Super Fly FS 9.9 vs. Jet9 RDO vs. S Works Epic

    Quote Originally Posted by rayztoyz View Post
    Thank you for your service! Congrats on your Pro license. I'll be racing Cat3 this season. Hoping do well enough to take on the challenge of Cat2 next year as I turn 40.
    You can do it. Turning 40 was part of my impetus to start racing again. "I will not go quietly into the dark." Now with a six-pack at 43. Who would'a thunk it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I'll be racing XX1 in NY, VA, NC, IL, WI, UT, CO, and OR this year...
    Must let me know when you'll be in OR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I'll be racing XX1 in NY, VA, NC, IL, WI, UT, CO, and OR this year...
    What race do you have planned for UT?

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