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    So I am looking for a way to kick my training up a notch this offseason. I came across the Sufferfest videos. I haven't purchased them yet, and was wondering if they are as good as advertised?
    If this topic has already been covered, I would be happy even with the link to the discussion.

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    Better than advertised in my opinion. They are always entertaining and keep things much more energized than just watching YouTube/Netflix.

    I have even been using their ten week training plan for the past 8 weeks, I can definitely see the gains in my riding during our local fall season races and on Strava. New PR's popping up across the board.

    I would highly recommend them. The Hunted and Local Hero are excellent places to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criscobike View Post
    So I am looking for a way to kick my training up a notch this offseason. I came across the Sufferfest videos. I haven't purchased them yet, and was wondering if they are as good as advertised?
    If this topic has already been covered, I would be happy even with the link to the discussion.
    Excellent and cheap. I've got 6 or 7.

    The early videos are high intensity intervals, but this year they have put out some longer videos, like Blender, designed by (coach)Neil Henderson to develop 'endurance'. it is still not the tradtional winter base building, but the interval intensities and rest intervals are strung together to keep you in the saddle for over an hour and half.

    The most recent videos are HD. Once you watch those, your enjoyment of the earler (not HD) videos will be diminished.

    If you have a computer controlled trainer (computrainer, maybe TACX?), there is a devoted sufferfest fan who has developed spread sheets for all the videos that will force a power output based on your FTP that corresponds to the effort requests made by the video. really cool stuff, but the programmed power output can be brutal. In the winter, you could scale back the FTP you report to the software to avoid burnout.

    Enjoy

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    They are fantastic. Great soundtrack and motivation to keep you going. I have a couple:

    Rubber glove for my 20min watt-test.
    Angels (I run the video twice to get in my 8x8 threshold intervals or powerintervals)
    ISLAGIATT for 3x20 at threshold power
    A very dark place for my vo2max workouts
    The long scream as an added bonus 30 minute interval
    Revolver for those "today I want to kill myself with pain" days

    I would never ever perform my intervals with the same intensity or high motivation if it was not for these videos. Definetly worth the money!

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    Sufferfest + Trainer Road makes time on the trainer almost fun, and certainly tolerable.

    I have all of the Sufferfest videos.

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    So could someone explain how these work exactly? What's it like?

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    Simialr to above I have several and just pick one (or antoher video) based I what I want to do or am supposed to be doing htat day. IMO sufferfest are the best trainng videos for the cost easily hands down.

    To answer AVann.

    They are just race and sometimes other footage videos that use 1-10 scale to conduct interval sessions on the trainer. Always a meter on bottom that shows you where you should be, entertianing bike footage and music to keep you motivated.

    My suggestions is to purachase several to mix and match to tyour workouts if your winter is going to involve a trainer.
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    Is there an android app or something as well? I don't have a tv by my trainer, but they seem pretty cool.

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    Sufferfest

    There's Kinomap, which allows you to ride your own routes. With a compatible turbo trainer it automatically adjusts the resistance to match the terrain that you see on screen. That has an IOS app currently and apparently there will be an android version released around January 2014 also:

    http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/09/d...tegration.html

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    Get a couple of Sufferfest vids, they are great value for money. I always get sucked into the 'storyline' even when I'm feeling really lazy at the beginning of the session.
    My fav is The Hunted

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    Quote Originally Posted by AVann6 View Post
    Is there an android app or something as well? I don't have a tv by my trainer, but they seem pretty cool.
    There isn't an app that I know of. However, it is very easy to send the video files to your phone from your computer. Just connect your phone via the micro-usb and drop them on over.

    I've done that a handful of times when I didn't have a way to watch on my TV or laptop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304 View Post
    There's Kinomap, which allows you to ride your own routes. With a compatible turbo trainer it automatically adjusts the resistance to match the terrain that you see on screen. That has an IOS app currently and apparently there will be an android version released around January 2014 also:

    Kinomap demonstrates route builder software, adds CycleOps PowerBeam support, Sony Action Cam integration | DC Rainmaker

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    I saw this at Interbike last week. Very impressive setup, though it seems to be pretty costly to get everything needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawnskee22 View Post
    There isn't an app that I know of. However, it is very easy to send the video files to your phone from your computer. Just connect your phone via the micro-usb and drop them on over.

    I've done that a handful of times when I didn't have a way to watch on my TV or laptop.
    Oh that right there would be good enough for me. Might have to check these out!

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    Sufferfest is awesome but it is ten times better paired with TrainerRoad. TrainerRoad by itself is also pretty awesome.

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    2 Questions:
    -Can you rip these to DVD?
    -Is there a way to watch them on an Android tablet?

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    I am hearing mostly good things about these videos. Looks like I am going to dive in and give them a try. Thanks everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatshowiroll View Post
    2 Questions:
    -Can you rip these to DVD?
    -Is there a way to watch them on an Android tablet?
    I would assume you can burn them to a DVD, they are just digital .mp4 movie files.

    Yes you can watch them on Andoid tablet, see my prior respons to AVann6.
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    i have a few of them and think they helped greatly. I found a program to convert them to a dvd file so I can play them on my ps3
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    Off season + Sufferfest? Seems like you might want to focus on building a base during the off season.

    Kick up the intensity maybe around Feb/March/April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    Off season + Sufferfest? Seems like you might want to focus on building a base during the off season.

    Kick up the intensity maybe around Feb/March/April.
    Depends what philosophy you follow when it comes to offseason training. Read "The Time Crunched Cyclist" by Chris Carmichael for a full rundown. But essentially for those that can't spend 20+ hours a week on a bike it is more beneficial to do high intensity training in off season than extremely long endurance rides for "base".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    Off season + Sufferfest? Seems like you might want to focus on building a base during the off season.

    Kick up the intensity maybe around Feb/March/April.
    I agree with rydbyk, BUT everyone responds to training differently.

    Just be careful with how many zone 4 and 5 matches you burn november/december/january.

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    Re: Sufferfest

    I know it's a little older thread, bu I have question to Sufferfest users.

    Is there a plan to use their videis in some structural way for xc racing?

    I use TrainerRoad and last week I finished their "sweet spot" base training I and II. Now I would like to continue with build plan, but they still don't have dadicated xc plan. Only cx for now.

    I am interestet to give a try with Sufferfest, but not sure how to use their videos in more stuctural way.

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    I have never tried sufferfest but I do enjoy Spinervals. You can usually find them on amazon pretty cheap. Spinervals.com also runs a lot of specials. I enjoy coach Troy and the quality work that can be done. Coach Troy also does a lot of free programs that can be downloaded through training peaks.

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    Sufferfest rocks! I'm a "time crunched cyclist" myself, and I do Blender, Fight Club and a few more (some that come with Strava premium membership for free) a few times a week. I don't know how I can get a Base with only 6-8 hours of riding a week?! To the person who said "don't burn too many zone 4-5 matches in winter"... why not? I can't imagine training 6-8 hours a week in zone 2-3 etc. I'm getting a new spin bike next week, hopefully I can do these 2 hour zone 3 base sessions... I will see!

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    I started using sufferfest, I didn't buy any of the dvd's though, I'm sure it's a lot better with them. I just printed off the description of what it includes in the workout and just do that, right now I do revolver on Mondays (rediculous), the hunted on Wednesday, and violator on Friday. With recovery rides on Tuesday and I Thursday and 1 long base mile ride on weekend. It has helped a ton! On week 5 right now of that exact schedule.

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    Man! I read what so many people are doing for training...you guys must not have spouses and little kids. I struggle to find time to train unless my family never sees me. I did get 7 Sufferfest videos and am now doing three a week in the evenings. I would like to add some free weights, but will need to buy some and add them to the pain cave.
    But I rotate through; There is No Try, The Wretched, Downward Spiral and A Very Dark Place. I also have done Angels. Planning to add Blender in Feb as the season starts getting closer. I also am going to add some of the quickie add-on's to simulate race times better. They have been pretty good for keeping it interesting. I sure would like to see a fully XC video eventually.

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    I was one of those "I will never spend time on a trainer if I can ride outside" guys. It would take me 20 minutes to bundle up, then ride, come back undress and thaw out in a hot shower. This winter I got trainerroad and have been consistently doing workouts and few with Sufferfest and I actually can't wait until my next workout. My workouts are better, just better training and because I have to concentrate to stay at a certain wattage or RPM the time flys. Im not getting the long slow distances but the intensity of the intervals is there. Plus the Sufferfest videos make it fun! So much fun I'm doing the Tour of Sufferlandria. Tour of Sufferlandria - TrainerRoad.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by trdi View Post
    I know it's a little older thread, bu I have question to Sufferfest users.

    Is there a plan to use their videis in some structural way for xc racing?

    I use TrainerRoad and last week I finished their "sweet spot" base training I and II. Now I would like to continue with build plan, but they still don't have dadicated xc plan. Only cx for now.

    I am interestet to give a try with Sufferfest, but not sure how to use their videos in more stuctural way.

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    Im a strictly XC guy, I don't race road and in Texas there is no downhill or mountain riding. So I hear what your saying.

    Here's my story with using the sufferfest for XC training. Prior to our last XC season I picked up the Sufferfest Training Plan they had recently come out with. I've been a long time fan of the videos but never used them in a really intentional way.

    I followed it to a T, spent the whole summer on the trainer instead of outdoors except for 2-3 rides a week. After 6 weeks we had our first race of the season, I picked up an extremely competitive 4th place. The next race I picked up 2nd.

    The season prior I was placing 9th to 11th and the sufferfest training plan was the only real difference between the two seasons.

    I highly suggest checking out their training plans if your looking for an XC focused way to use their videos. The format is prefect, just be sure to focus on technical handling skills on the days you spend on the trail.
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    Anyone know how to use Handbrake to downgrade the video file quality?

    I've decided not to burn to DVD since I'm using the vids with Trainerroad. Since the vids are in such high quality, they make the tracking very choppy. They say to just change the quality of the vid to avoid this.

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    Another vote for sufferfest! I have watched the video as my brother has all of them. I was the one that turned him on to them and he initially purchased a couple, when he ended up liking them he got in contact with the owner and the guy adjusted the cost of the full seasons since my brother had already bought a couple individually.

    He has said they have been a great company to work with aside from the fact that the videos are great.

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    Re: Sufferfest

    If I only have 3 to 4 times per week to train, which videos will be best to use?

    From what I can see on their page The Hunted, Hell Heath No Furry, A very dark place, Angels, and maybe Blender could match nice in weekly routine.

    What do you guys think?

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    How about owning any of their gear? Would you ever should up to a race in the Sufferfest kit? Plant the flag next to your car?

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    I do have the Sufferfest flag hanging in my office... But no kit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by white79bu View Post
    I have never tried sufferfest but I do enjoy Spinervals. You can usually find them on amazon pretty cheap. Spinervals.com also runs a lot of specials. I enjoy coach Troy and the quality work that can be done. Coach Troy also does a lot of free programs that can be downloaded through training peaks.
    Try Revolver or The Downward Spiral.

    It's a little different than Spinervals, but fun. Oh, and you get a surprise at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatshowiroll View Post
    Anyone know how to use Handbrake to downgrade the video file quality?

    I've decided not to burn to DVD since I'm using the vids with Trainerroad. Since the vids are in such high quality, they make the tracking very choppy. They say to just change the quality of the vid to avoid this.
    In HandBrake, select the Ipod touch preset and encode. That should work better.
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    I've been using Sufferfest for a while now, and just picked up a USB Ant+ connector and signed up for TrainerRoad. It + Sufferfest videos are really nice - gives you a target power to aim for based on your FTP, and displays all your information on the screen, which is easier than checking my Joule to see if I'm hitting the right numbers.

    Sufferfest is definitely an improvement over normal trainer time watching Netflix or TV. I can push myself harder and actually do the intervals correctly, and not be ready to die of boredom 30 minutes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trdi View Post
    If I only have 3 to 4 times per week to train, which videos will be best to use?

    From what I can see on their page The Hunted, Hell Heath No Furry, A very dark place, Angels, and maybe Blender could match nice in weekly routine.

    What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1321 View Post
    ISLAGIATT and Blender are 2 of the best IMO. The workouts are designed by Neal Henderson of Apex Coaching.
    I agree. Those are quality workouts.
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    +1 to Blender... love it! Will pick up ISLAGIATT next! Also, I use the free ones in Strava too...

    For those that aren't aware, if you join Strava Premium (~$6 per month) and use their mobile app... you get access to Fight Club (time trial, race), Revolver (speed), and Rubber Glove (fitness test) but to my best knowledge you can't download them to your PC or mobile device... ie. on WiFi AFAIK (to save data etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotto View Post
    I was one of those "I will never spend time on a trainer if I can ride outside" guys. It would take me 20 minutes to bundle up, then ride, come back undress and thaw out in a hot shower. This winter I got trainerroad and have been consistently doing workouts and few with Sufferfest and I actually can't wait until my next workout. My workouts are better, just better training and because I have to concentrate to stay at a certain wattage or RPM the time flys. Im not getting the long slow distances but the intensity of the intervals is there. Plus the Sufferfest videos make it fun! So much fun I'm doing the Tour of Sufferlandria. Tour of Sufferlandria - TrainerRoad.com
    If the Sufferfest video is playing, does it make it hard to see the TrainerRoad charts as you ride? Aren't they minimized at bottom?

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    I use Trainer Road and it works great with Sufferfest vids. Some need be reencoded but that is super simple with "handbrake" software.There is video on trainer roads site on how to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcm01 View Post
    If the Sufferfest video is playing, does it make it hard to see the TrainerRoad charts as you ride? Aren't they minimized at bottom?
    You use the horizontal view in TrainerRoad, and select the always on top button. It's easy enough to see what's coming up, plus current power, target power, heart rate, and cadence. Works very well.

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    I'm day 2 into the Tour of Sufferlandria. Today's ride was ISLAGIATT and I did it without the video. I think that was a big mistake because it was hard to stay focused for that long channel surfing. My wife's given me the go to purchase the full set of videos to finish the tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevemtu View Post

    If you have a computer controlled trainer (computrainer, maybe TACX?), there is a devoted sufferfest fan who has developed spread sheets for all the videos that will force a power output based on your FTP that corresponds to the effort requests made by the video. really cool stuff, but the programmed power output can be brutal. In the winter, you could scale back the FTP you report to the software to avoid burnout.

    Enjoy
    Is there anyone who can help with a link to this Sufferfest fan or spreadsheet ?? I have a Tacx and would love to have it programmed to adjust the force according to the movies and my FTP. In this way it will keep me going even when I feel the lactate up to my ears.

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    Sufferfest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik J View Post
    Is there anyone who can help with a link to this Sufferfest fan or spreadsheet ?? I have a Tacx and would love to have it programmed to adjust the force according to the movies and my FTP. In this way it will keep me going even when I feel the lactate up to my ears.
    http://viewsoftheroad.com/sufferfest-erg-spreadsheet/

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    Re: Sufferfest

    I noticed that some videos dont have cadence suggestion on the screen. Could it be because they are older, and only new ones have it?

    Thanks you all for great replys and suggestions! :thumbup:

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    Did the first time last night with one of the included vids on Strava. Wow! Now I know how all the local roadie dudes are so fast in March every year....they are just hammering this type of stuff all winter indoors....This is a game changer for me. It's -10 and snowing out for days now, and I never could get motivated for the trainer, but now....I can't believe how good it is! I am stoked to have this for bad weather days through the spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Train View Post
    Did the first time last night with one of the included vids on Strava. Wow! Now I know how all the local roadie dudes are so fast in March every year....they are just hammering this type of stuff all winter indoors....This is a game changer for me. It's -10 and snowing out for days now, and I never could get motivated for the trainer, but now....I can't believe how good it is! I am stoked to have this for bad weather days through the spring.
    Yeah, it's crazy isn't it. I did a free ride a couple days back and found myself bored with the trainer after about 10 minutes. With the videos, 45 - 60 min just fly by and the ride has so much more intensity. I'm a huge fan of trainerroad too. It maps the sufferfest videos to targets on the screen (no fancy trainer required, but at least a speed cadence sensor is needed). You can scale the intensity on the fly so if you are doing a recovery ride, you can have all of the targets adjusted and stick with the plan.

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