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    Wink Such Roadies

    People seem to think WC racers are just skinny road racers that can't ride a bike. How about a thread to reverse this thinking.

    Let's start with this:

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    Great shots!



    I don't have that opinion. Having started racing a mtb and then moving to road I get people thinking I'm a "roadie" all the time.

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    Certainly the best are very good technical riders. Geoff Kabush was quite critical about "the German" who couldn't ride the technical DH sections in a couple of the World Cup races this year. And the 2008 World Women's Champ Marga Fullana did very badly at MSA and Bromont because of the technical riding conditions in 2009.

    And Premont was one of the few gals that cleaned that nasty rocky descent at Mont Sainte Anne in the pouring rain...
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    Wow @ that last one... makes me feel like a fat roadie.
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    I remember a NZ pro rider doing damn well in a NZ DH race once... on his xc hardtail.

    Man that upset a few DHers at the time.

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    Geez, if I didn't know any better I'd swear you have to have a "Maple Leaf" on your jersey to ride a DH? Come on show some stars and stripes will yah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by n8rhino
    Geez, if I didn't know any better I'd swear you have to have a "Maple Leaf" on your jersey to ride a DH?
    You are correct. Don't worry, Americans are top notch DH bike-walkers, top notch.

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    I watched the UCI worlds in Australia (on freecaster) and I was very impressed with the technical level of the course. I was a trail rider for many years before racing and my technical ability is an advantage.
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    Worlds was an awesome course, not just because of the challenging sections but because of the variety, like that one section with the swoopy bermed turns.

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    Photo # 3. I betcha anything he didn't make it and taco'd the wheel.
    Nice photos by the way.

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    I like this thread.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatshowiroll
    Photo # 3. I betcha anything he didn't make it and taco'd the wheel.
    Nice photos by the way.
    Yeah, I am having a hard time believing he rolled that one out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenkins@
    Yeah, I am having a hard time believing he rolled that one out.
    I believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    I believe it.
    Me too. IIRC that's how most riders did that section. Also, you have to figure that if he did biff it, there'd be photos of the aftermath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flargle
    Me too. IIRC that's how most riders did that section. Also, you have to figure that if he did biff it, there'd be photos of the aftermath.
    I didn't say "impossible" ... It just seems like the weight distribution and angles are all wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenkins@
    I didn't say "impossible" ... It just seems like the weight distribution and angles are all wrong.
    I'd estimate the rider's centre of mass to be somewhere behind the axle of the front wheel. That's a good sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatshowiroll
    Photo # 3. I betcha anything he didn't make it and taco'd the wheel.
    Nice photos by the way.
    The junior girls were riding that line at worlds.

    It is easier than it looks.

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    At the MSA World Cup, some of the top downhillers were spectating from that rock section (photo 1 of the original post) and had a lot of respect for (most) XC racers. I don't remember who but a big name DH guy even said something like not being sure he could go as fast with a XC bike.

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    I don't know if this counts or not, but here is someone for whom things didn't go so well on the hammerhead - note mangled deraileur to accompany mangled knees.

    At least he didn't take the B line


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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    Certainly the best are very good technical riders. Geoff Kabush was quite critical about "the German" who couldn't ride the technical DH sections in a couple of the World Cup races this year. And the 2008 World Women's Champ Marga Fullana did very badly at MSA and Bromont because of the technical riding conditions in 2009.

    And Premont was one of the few gals that cleaned that nasty rocky descent at Mont Sainte Anne in the pouring rain...
    The two gals have more muscular physiques than the dude. (that's a knock on the dude, gals are hot)

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    It's the same gal, she just lost her Canandian Champion title between both photos (to LMN's wife no less, see the pictures in his post, who's a lot skinnier but still among the best technical riders among World Cup racers).

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    Um, those photos of Absalon are meant to look technically challenging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flargle
    Um, those photos of Absalon are meant to look technically challenging?
    I was thinking the same thing. They are nice photos, but don't seem to be in keeping with the theme of the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandman012
    The two gals have more muscular physiques than the dude. (that's a knock on the dude, gals are hot)
    And of course Premont is only 5'-3" and Kabush is 6'-3", so he's more beanpole.

    Big fan ya know...
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    Nope... those guys can ride their bikes some. That huge drop that the guy on the look is riding is pretty hairy, I don't know if I would ride that.

    Watching Kabush rip the descent at Mt. Snow was awe inspiring...
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    Kabush sure can ride. Julien Absalon too, those pictures above just don't do his technical skills justice. In fact, I think that at that level, most racers are pretty good, some are noticably better but it's those who lack technical skills that stand out the most in technical courses/situations, like Fullana and 'The German'...

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    XCept for Mr. Kabush........

    Quote Originally Posted by RideFaster
    People seem to think WC racers are just skinny road racers that can't ride a bike. How about a thread to reverse this thinking.
    ..........all the ladies have more meat on their bones then the men do!! Awesome representing of their "above XC" skills on those courses.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    The Freecaster video hilights of Kabush at Bromont were very impressive, that was dirt soup he was riding through, his glasses were completely opaque, I have no idea how he saw where he was going. That rooty DH stretch on the east end of the course was nasty.

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    More photos from the UCI Worlds in Autstralia

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    There's a great collection of photos from Canberra in this thread

    There were a fair number of biffs at Canberra by the top gals as well, but nothing like the calamity of OTB's I saw watching TV hilights from the Xterra Euro championships on Sports Unlimited, there must be a lot of roadie triathletes in that series as they seemed to stay on the saddle on loamy descents and were stacking up like firewood in spots on the course in Austria.

    Check out the 5 minute mark on this video, the TV hilights had many more similar OTB's

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9_odSvbC4s
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    Danielson used to race mountain bikes at a high level, it's no surprise to see him on the dirt. Weird he's not riding a Felt though.

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    Images from Offenburg

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/2444197666/" title="DSCF0103 by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2444197666_838eafb47d.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSCF0103" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/2446982238/" title="Offenburg World Cup: Sunday race day by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2163/2446982238_f780eb7317.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="Offenburg World Cup: Sunday race day" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/2443398133/" title="DSCF0136 by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2443398133_5ee93b41a3.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="DSCF0136" /></a>

    Wiens shows the technical way to handle a pastry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    There's a great collection of photos from Canberra in this thread

    There were a fair number of biffs at Canberra by the top gals as well, but nothing like the calamity of OTB's I saw watching TV hilights from the Xterra Euro championships on Sports Unlimited, there must be a lot of roadie triathletes in that series as they seemed to stay on the saddle on loamy descents and were stacking up like firewood in spots on the course in Austria.

    Check out the 5 minute mark on this video, the TV hilights had many more similar OTB's

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9_odSvbC4s
    yeah.. there are a lot of crossover athletes racing xterra, Lots of dismounters on the course.

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    How's that?

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    yeah.. Lots of dismounters on the course.
    I must have missed those pictures. Everyone's still up on the pedals that I can see.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ

    Wiens shows the technical way to handle a pastry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47
    I must have missed those pictures. Everyone's still up on the pedals that I can see.

    Should have said:

    There are usually lots of dismounters on the XTERRA courses

    although there are also plenty of racers at offenburg dismounting on this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvqEUy58Q4g

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    And of course Premont is only 5'-3" and Kabush is 6'-3", so he's more beanpole.

    Big fan ya know...

    Isn't there a thread of all female riders racer somewhere?

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17lyIRCK5Es&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsUuK...eature=related

    Not sure if these are good videos or not hehe. From the bottom they look like a decent challenge, but these guys are cleaning it like it's pretty standard. About 2 minutes in to the second video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Danielson used to race mountain bikes at a high level, it's no surprise to see him on the dirt. Weird he's not riding a Felt though.

    ya, i was pretty surprised when i saw him on the line sitting on a specialized....
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    Got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bioteknik
    Should have said:

    There are usually lots of dismounters on the XTERRA courses
    Just razz'n. Never really seen a WC race, but for the looks of the pix they do posess some skills.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Oh they can ride the Gnarl

    I just finished a 3 hour gnarly root, log and slick bridge infested ride with Kabush and Plaxton.
    They had not ridden the trails we rode ever ( Geoff had ridden some of the connector trails....) Most would consider them "all mountain" and they rode well. Lots of BIG logs, and wet roots covering steep descents......It must be Vancouver Island water

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideFaster



    Hmm... CB pedals on there How old is that pic? Is that something the Luna team has some wiggle room with Shimano on?

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