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    Speedplay Syzr

    Anyone got your hands on a set of these yet? I use the Zeros on my road bike, and I'd love to have the same feel/float limit on my MTB. http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...rst-look-26816
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    No, have not seen them on the market yet. Been eyeing those too.

    For sale here:??
    http://www.bike24.net/p218328.html

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    not even on the speedplay website. they look nice though.

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    Floating cleat looks to be problematic.
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    How the hell is some site able to "sell" a pedal (of which is allegedly in stock) that, by all other accounts (including speedplay's) is not yet available. Speedplay has, upon request, continued to play the early next season card, for oooohhh, the past several years...

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    That looks irritatingly complicated. I'm not sure I even understand how it works. What are the advantages over a "standard" pedal? I guess free-float but this is being compared to the Speedplay Zero and I thought that pedal limited float.

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    I have been running Zero a couple of years on my road bike.

    You can adjust the cleat to give you loads, or no float.
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    I switched to Speedplay pedals on my road bike recently and love them. Right now I'm using the relatively new Look mtb pedals and love them, but when they wear out the Speedplays would definitely be a consideration.

    For those of you who have never looked, check out the Speedplay website on pedal design and technology. There is a great resource on there that explains pedal technology, the important factors in pedal design, and which pedal systems are most effective. Here is a direct link to it:

    http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?f...ome.chooselong

    I found it very informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zandr
    That looks irritatingly complicated. I'm not sure I even understand how it works. What are the advantages over a "standard" pedal? I guess free-float but this is being compared to the Speedplay Zero and I thought that pedal limited float.
    When I first got my Speedplay road pedals, I found them very complicated to set up and ended up having them help me at my local shop (they were a Christmas gift that I had purchased myself but couldn't open until Christmas so I was trying to set them up on my own on Christmas day).

    But, after a little hassle, I've found it to be worth it.

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm looking to purchase them myself. I just wish speedplay would stop delaying the release indefinitely. The only mtb pedals that work for me are the frogs and they're really quite awful. Atleast from my perspective, it wouldn't take much to head in a better direction. That being said...whats up with that website?

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    Would like to hear what you don't like about your Frogs. Use them on both my MTB and Road. A great single platform for both types of riding for me. Easy in/out. Yeah, float not adjustable, but I like a lot of float. Don't have much trouble in messy conditions, and have yet to bust any bakelite/plastic either, and I ain't graceful.

    SYZR's look interesting, but I agree with some of the other posts -- cleat looks problematic to me. Frankly, getting tired of waiting to get a look at these as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea138 View Post
    Anyone got your hands on a set of these yet? I use the Zeros on my road bike, and I'd love to have the same feel/float limit on my MTB. Speedplay Syzr Mountain Bike Pedal ? First Look - BikeRadar
    Not yet, but when my Frogs wear out they will be the next if the Frogs are no longer available.

    First set of Frogs lasted 5 years and were still as good as new, but bike got stolen. New bike new Frogs, so far 2 years.

    Those who say the cleats wear out should realise they are not for running marathon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by endo daze View Post
    Would like to hear what you don't like about your Frogs. Use them on both my MTB and Road. A great single platform for both types of riding for me. Easy in/out. Yeah, float not adjustable, but I like a lot of float. Don't have much trouble in messy conditions, and have yet to bust any bakelite/plastic either, and I ain't graceful.

    SYZR's look interesting, but I agree with some of the other posts -- cleat looks problematic to me. Frankly, getting tired of waiting to get a look at these as well.
    I run the Frog and it's main disadvantage is that you don't step down to engage the cleat to the pedal, you have to slide it forward. The new Syzr is a big departure from last years pedal (switched from Egg style wings to SPD style jaws). I use the Frogs because they outperform every other mtb pedal in one aspect-no rocking. The cleat rides on the pedal body, it does not rely on the rubber lugs to rest on the pedal. The Syzr will be the same in this regard.

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    Bumpity bump!

    Anyone heard anything more about these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    Bumpity bump!

    Anyone heard anything more about these?

    Andy
    Speedplay are not answering mails about their pedals.

    I still use my frogs for MTB. Just bought anew pair of titanium at a good price.

    Syzr maybe means shut your ? ?

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    Something I like the look of with these is the metal-to-metal contact between cleat and pedal, after the retention bars on my Time ATACs wore two grooves in the carbon sole of a pair of shoes.

    UK Speedplay importer *thinks* it'll be this year but they've no firm information either. I assume (hope?) there may be some sort of announcement at Sea Otter (later this month)?

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    Anyone hear anything more at Sea Otter? Have heard Speedplay weren't there; also it looks like they delete any posting to their FB page asking about the SYZR.

    Anyone else think this is a bit ominous?

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    New question here. Syzr

    Hi All,
    Any word on the new Speedplay Syzr pedals?
    We have No Speedplay Supplyer in New Zealand and Speedplay are not replying to any emails asking about Frog's and Syzr Pedals

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    Any word on the new Speedplay Syzr pedals?
    From Speedplay's Facebook page, though this was a couple of months ago:

    Thank you for your interest in the SYZR. We had hoped to be delivering them by now. We are working diligently on the final details to ensure the system meets the high standards of performance and functionality that Speedplay customers have come to expect from our products. We appreciate your patience and look forward to updating you when the Syzr is available for delivery.
    I assume they'll be hanging on for Interbike/Eurobike now, if the SYZR is ready for launch.

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    I think you can wear out a pair of Frog's before Speedplay comes with any pedals better than these for off-road biking.
    Since 2010 they have been launching only road pedals and as good as they might be they are not worth much out in the wild.
    Just bought a new pair of titanium Frog's, not worth the extra price over the stainless though, so I know which pedals to buy next time.

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    No good Thanks

    Thanks for the two replys.
    Speedplay have emailed me with the New Zealand Supplyer? its in Sydney Australia! Why do people think that New Zealand is part of Australia?

    Is it because we how that USA is a small part of Canada!



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    Bumpity bump.

    Six months on - has anyone heard anything more?

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    The resin part of the Frog pedals is the only one that is wearing out and they should be available and easy to change. I have 2 pair and all they need is grease now and then.
    When I needed a new set of the plastic parts I could not find any, so I ended up buying a new set of Frogs.
    The Syzr are on my wish list, but maybe I will be too old to use them when they finally are on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    Bumpity bump.

    Six months on - has anyone heard anything more?
    they are now in the Speedplay catalogue:
    http://www.speedplay.com/pubs/Speedplay_2012.pdf
    on page 14.

    Seems to me though that I will be faithful to the Frog's. Still have not found anything better.

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    The filename suggests that's the 2012 catalogue...

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    Nowhere in the catalogue is the year mentioned and when looking in the Speedplay catalogue on the internet last year there were no mentioning of the Syzr in it.
    Anyway, no reason for me to change as the only advantage over the Frog pedal seems to be that the Syzr can be ridden with standard shoes, which I don't do on the bike that has Speedplay pedals on it.

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    Peloton Magazine just released a video where Capo, Speedplay and ENVE were featured. Great short film. You can find it on their site. The founder of Speedplay is speaking about a mountain bike pedal that is in the works right now. He is very very hesitant to release a product that is not spot on. Not sure what this means regarding the SYZR, but yes, they do plan on releasing a clipless mtb pedal very "soon" that is not just a new Frog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    He is very very hesitant to release a product that is not spot on. Not sure what this means regarding the SYZR, but yes, they do plan on releasing a clipless mtb pedal very "soon" that is not just a new Frog.
    The rumour was there were some durability issues; I assume they don't want a CB-esque rep for self-destruction, because once you've got a rep like that...

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    However, at this point they have built a reputation for broken promises. How many years does it take to "fine tune" a pedal? It's not that complex. I ride speedplay on my road bike, but I gave up long ago on a new MTB pedal from them. I'm fine with Time or Shimano. They work well and are readily available.

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    Good job! 2015 seems to be the year where you can Syzr

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea138 View Post
    Anyone got your hands on a set of these yet? I use the Zeros on my road bike, and I'd love to have the same feel/float limit on my MTB. Speedplay Syzr mountain bike pedal - First look - BikeRadar
    They seem to be available now from Speedplay, at least they are on their web site.

    Still waiting for an answer to my mail where I can buy the pedals.

    The Frogs have served me well but the new should be even better in mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by las-palmas View Post
    They seem to be available now from Speedplay, at least they are on their web site.

    Still waiting for an answer to my mail where I can buy the pedals.

    The Frogs have served me well but the new should be even better in mud.

    Well, for as long as they have been working on them, they should make you 10% faster climbing, wash your clothes after, plus cook your after ride meal.

    I remember Speedplay braggin left and right about these revolutionary pedals at 2011 Sea Otter. I have to laugh. I will give them credit for holding on until they feel they had it done right.

    We shall see. I remember the Look Quartz had all these lofty promises. I still have mine because I won't use them for mtb. Anyone want them for shipping only, they are yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    Well, for as long as they have been working on them, they should make you 10% faster climbing, wash your clothes after, plus cook your after ride meal.

    I remember Speedplay braggin left and right about these revolutionary pedals at 2011 Sea Otter. I have to laugh. I will give them credit for holding on until they feel they had it done right.

    We shall see. I remember the Look Quartz had all these lofty promises. I still have mine because I won't use them for mtb. Anyone want them for shipping only, they are yours.
    The Syzr will allow the same level of customization that can be done with road pedals since the cleat interfaces the pedal completely and doesn't rely on the shoe's lugs like the typical mtb pedal. If you use shimming or varus cant, this is the best pedal out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MessagefromTate View Post
    The Syzr will allow the same level of customization that can be done with road pedals since the cleat interfaces the pedal completely and doesn't rely on the shoe's lugs like the typical mtb pedal. If you use shimming or varus cant, this is the best pedal out there.
    So right
    I have been waiting for a few years for this new pedal to come out.
    How I know that the pedals are coming!
    Just do not have an eta on them coming to New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    Well, for as long as they have been working on them, they should make you 10% faster climbing, wash your clothes after, plus cook your after ride meal.

    I remember Speedplay braggin left and right about these revolutionary pedals at 2011 Sea Otter. I have to laugh. I will give them credit for holding on until they feel they had it done right.

    We shall see. I remember the Look Quartz had all these lofty promises. I still have mine because I won't use them for mtb. Anyone want them for shipping only, they are yours.
    Quote Originally Posted by MessagefromTate View Post
    The Syzr will allow the same level of customization that can be done with road pedals since the cleat interfaces the pedal completely and doesn't rely on the shoe's lugs like the typical mtb pedal. If you use shimming or varus cant, this is the best pedal out there.
    Well,
    We shall see. Of the many pedals I have tried, I still go back to my Time ATACs on mtb and road. I have some Zeros sitting in the cabinet. I just never found shoes I liked with the Zeros.
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    Hey guys, got the SYZR installed them with maximum float. The pedal really floats smoothly, tried them for a couple of mimutes but thr float was very smooth, sp smooth that it felt like my shoes was on ice. When i pedaled my foot was using quite some of the float, is this fine for the kned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speed6 View Post
    Hey guys, got the SYZR installed them with maximum float. The pedal really floats smoothly, tried them for a couple of mimutes but thr float was very smooth, sp smooth that it felt like my shoes was on ice. When i pedaled my foot was using quite some of the float, is this fine for the kned.
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    If you are asking whether maximum pedal float is fine for your knees, it turns out all knees are different! If *your* knees don't hurt when using the pedals, you are fine. Whether you like the sensation of pedaling on ice, that's a separate issue entirely :-)

    I just bought a set of Syzrs myself, and have found that with maximum pedal float, I sometimes accidentally disengage a pedal on very rough terrain, when the rear wheel moves underneath me. I've switched back to XTR pedals for some recent races, but I want to get back to the Syzrs for more testing.

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    I've been a avid user of eggbeaters for cx and mtb, and use zeros on the road for years. Training for the OT100 and started getting some knee pain on the cx. Since I can dial out the fload on the zero's (which give me 0 pain) I thought I'd give the SYZR a try (expensive experiment I know) I've been running a set for a couple months now swapping it between my cx and mtb. I've got ~ 750 miles on the cx bike with great results in all conditions (wet, gravel, dry etc, but no "cx race" conditions). However, I only have 3 rides on the MTB. Two short MTB rides in very POOR conditions and one longer ride in perfect conditions.

    Pros:
    -Dial out the float just like zeros
    -Egg beater like ease of release in all but the worst wet-clay-slop environment
    -Better retention than egg beaters on upstroke (for the SS'rs out there)
    -Better shoe stability than egg beaters

    Neutral:
    -Harder to engage, but more positive feedback that your in than egg beaters
    -More maintenance required (same if you are used to zero's)

    Cons:
    -Mud shedding is worst than egg beaters. I expected this, but hoped for the best (see more below)
    -Heavier. But, this is due to a more substantial pedal that helps with a lot of the issues I had with the egg beaters.

    The caking mud that our trails are made of does not agree with these pedals in obviously wet conditions, make the pedals much harder to engage and disengage...however, I shouldn't have been on this trail...thought that it'd be dry, but the horses had damaged the trail so it was holding water...lesson learned. I don't like riding in the wet, but sometimes it happens. This is a one time event, hopefully I don't explore those limits again soon.

    All in all I'm happy with the pedals. Are the perfect, no, but they solved a lot of issues I've had. Barring an unforeseen issue with them I'll be racing them in the OT (my one main goal for the year).

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    Will the Syzr pedals release with an inward heel twist as well as an outward one? I don't see any reason why they wouldn't, but would like to know for sure before I invest that much money on pedals. I like the free float of the Frog pedals, but I don't like that you can't release inward. If the Syzr's will release with an inward twist, plus give me adjustable float and engage/release tension, I'm sold.
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    I can check tonight

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    Hi ric426
    I'm home and just tryed with my Syzr pedals and yes ☺
    Release inward and outward all good
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    Hey Pete,
    Thanks for checking and verifying that. Now I just have to wait for the shop to get a pair of them.
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    Picked up a pair last week and have used them on a couple rides on my road bike. I'm recovering from a broken ankle, so offroad won't happen until the ankle feels stable again. So far I'm really happy with them (as long as I don't think about the price).
    Cleat installation was pretty straight forward. It seemed like they were too tight and wouldn't rotate by hand, but once I had the shoes on and in the pedals it wasn't an issue. The rotation is nice and smooth. There are two things I've noticed about the cleats that I wish were different. There's no lateral adjustment like with SPD cleats and at first I noticed the difference because I set mine up to put my feet as close to the cranks as possible. I didn't notice it while riding, so it's not a big issue. The other thing is that there are two lugs on the cleats that are taller than the sole lugs on my shoes (Sidi Dominator Megas) so you walk on the tabs. Not a problem on pavement or dirt, but they could be slippery on a hard smooth surface. The sole lugs on my shoes are worn and the surface of the sole that the cleat sits on is pretty rough from the several pairs of SPD cleats that have been mounted and moved, so it may not be an issue with new shoes.
    I *really* like being able to set the float range to my liking. I backed the spring tension all the way off so I could unclip comfortably with my bad ankle. Engagement is still a little tight but disengagement is just right. The best thing about them is that once I got used to them, I don't even notice them while riding and that's how it should be. They've got the free float of the Frog pedals, but you can adjust the range of float and can tell when you're at the release point. Just what I was looking for. The only down side I've seen so far is the price, but my ankles and knees are happy, so I feel ok about spending the money. I haven't had a chance to see how they behave in sticky dirt and mud yet though. That'll come in a few weeks.
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    Well, my recent experience with the Syzrs has been less positive than those above. The first red flag is the leaflet that comes with the pedals that strongly emphasizes--more than once--that you must pedal with flat feet, no toe or heel down pedaling. On pavement they feel great. Very similar to the X series that I have used on my road bike for the past 17 or so years. However, as soon as I leave the pavement, the pedals disengage much too easily. I tightened the spring tension as tight as it goes, and they still disengage with almost no pressure, though the amount of force required to clip in increased substantially. I'm not sure if limiting the float would help, but that would defeat the purpose of switching from my Time ATACs that I have been using for years. I took a chance on the Syzrs specifically for the float, as I like it on my road bike, but it may be part of the disengagement problem on the trail. I use my feet quite a bit to control the bike and the Syzrs just do not allow me to do this at all. It only took about fifty feet of rocks and roots to discover that I had spent quite a lot of money chasing a marginal gain, a gain that turned out to be nonexistent.

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    Been using the Syzr pedals for a couple of months now. For the first ride or two, I was concerned that I'd blown my money, as, like the poster above, I was coming out of the pedals if I so much as *thought about* twisting out of them. I did not use the "float disk", as I don't use much of the float anyway (have them dialed almost all the way in, both screws on both shoes). I do wonder if the disk would decrease the frequency with which I've found I need to lube the cleat to ensure clean and easy entry (exit has been consistent in all dirt and lubed/not lubed conditions), but it hasn't been worth the time to disassemble the cleat to install the disk.
    After the first ride, I cautiously upped the spring tension, didn't want to go too far-and the improvement was striking. I have since dialed up the tension even more, and have had no issues getting in or out of the pedals. They do feel almost exactly like Zeros (which I've used for years on road), and the handling improvement has been noticeable as well-no mushy feel when cornering/pulling up over roots/etc.

    They have dropped the price on them-guess Speedplay heard the feedback that was surely coming their way about a stainless pedal eclipsing the 200 mark by a good bit.

    These are a UNIVERSE apart from, and a DRASTIC improvement on, the Frog pedal (second part IMO of course).

    The need to keep the cleat lubed is a teeny bit annoying, but it's not an every-ride thing, and on balance, I dig them. No idea about durability yet, of course, but we'll see as time passes.

    And they DO release with inward twist. Sorta found that out the hard way when I didn't have the spring tension high enough lol.

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    Update on my post above. I decided to play with the Syzrs a little and was able to get the tension tighter. Not sure why it was a problem before, but I was able to get it significantly tighter. Too tight actually. I've had one ride on them since the adjustment and they work fine. I like the free float quite a bit, and I had no issues with accidental disengagement, even on very rocky and root filled trails. I have not ridden in mud so I have no idea how well the system copes with dirt packing in the cleats, but that is not typically a problem in my area. Based on my experience with them now, I hope they prove durable because they are my new favorite since Time's durability took a dive.

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    I've had zero issues with my SYZRs, and I pedal heels-down. No unwanted releases, and clipping-in has been no problem once I adopted a more toe-down action. The float is a must-have for me, and the ramp up in tension before release means no "oh crap" moments.
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