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    Scott vs Look

    Armed with new funds from cashing in my old mountain bike, I am setting out to purchase a new Hardtail Cross Country racer.

    I am looking for opinions from other bikers as to which would be a good choice for my new baby. I am looking for something definately race-worthy, with maximum speed and power transfer. Not looking for an amateur ride or forgiving bike here! In the end, I am looking to tweak the build down to about 8kg in the long run.

    At the moment I have it narrowed down to these two pretty things:


    Look 986 XC Origin

    Frame: HM Carbon, Monobloc T2T
    Fork: Rock Shox Reba w/ pop-lock
    Front Travel: 100mm
    Wheelset: Mavic Crossmax ST
    Front Derailleur: SRAM X9
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X9
    Shifters: SRAM X9 w/ Avid Matchmaker clamps
    Crankset: Truvativ Stylo Teeth: 22 / 32 / 44T
    Crank Arm Length: 175mm
    Bottom Bracket: Truvativ GXP
    Brake Levers: Avid Juicy Brakes: Avid Juicy 7 (front & rear)
    Rotors: 6-Bolt Isis IS, 160mm/160mm
    Headset: FSA Integrated
    Handlebar: Truvativ XC Race Team
    Grips: Look foam
    Stem: Truvativ Team 100mm x 5 Degree
    Chain: SRAM PC971
    Cassette: SRAM PG980 11/34t
    Tires: Hutchison Bulldog tubeless 26 x 2.1in
    Seatpost: (Integrated) Look E-Post
    Saddle: Fiízi:k Gobi
    Weight: 22.7lb






    Or.......



    2009 Scott Scale 20

    Frame - Scott Scale Carbon CR1 technology / HMF net
    Fork: Fox 32 F100RL / Air spring
    Headset: Ritchey Pro 1 1/8""
    Derailleur (Rear): Shimano XTR RD-M972 SGS carbon cage
    Derailleur (Front): Shimano XT FD-M770E / E-Type
    Shifters: Shimano XT SL-M770
    Brake: Shimano XT BL-M775 Disc
    Crankset: Shimano XT FC-M770
    BB-Set: Shimano Cartridge / shell 73mm&E
    Handlebar: Scott Hot Rod OS 31.8mm
    Scott lockon grips
    H'stem: Scott Pro
    Pedals: Shimano PD-M520
    Seatpost: Scott RC 03-60 / 34.9mm
    Seat: Selle Italy SLR XP Kevlar / Vanox rails
    Hub (Front): DT Swiss XR1 Disc CL
    Hub (Rear): DT Swiss XR1 Disc CL
    Chain: Shimano CN-HG73
    Cassette: Shimano XT CS-M770
    Spokes: DT Swiss Super Comp black
    Rims: DT Swiss XR1 Disc
    Tires: Schwalbe Racing Ralph
    Weight: 9.95 kg / 21.92 lbs







    There are a few others on my mind, but these two are the stand-outs for the moment.

    The Scott in the end will be the lighter bike (sub 1kg Scott frame + lightweight seatpost vs 1.2kg with the Look's uncut seatpost), but the Look is well..... a Look. The cool and unique factor is awsome.

    I have heard the negatives about the integrated seatpost on the Look (hard to transport, can only resell to shorter people), but in the end the point of the whole thing is power transfer is it not? Would it be a reasonable trade-off? Or is it simply a gimmick?

    Negative on the Scott is that I do not think that this build option has remote lockout for the forks.

    As for price, the two bikes are within $100 of each other.

    The Scotts are very popular bikes, and they seem to be a proven design. The Look recieves rave reviews, and always gets supurb feedback from riders.



    Oh the choice!

    Would someone be so kind as to settle this for me? Or recommend another possible option?

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    The seat post mast on the Look scares me.

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    I would go for the lighter of the two.
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    Have you looked into the Specialized Swork stumpy hartail 26er or 29er. The 29er being 19lbs, will be my next wallet black hole...
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    pop_martian, That would be the Scott, but only by a hundred grams or so.... rats this is tough.

    What about if l was to keep these bikes stock. What would then be the better choice with the component packages?

    Bellu, that is way way out f my price range. l wish l could have one....

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    I've been racing the Scott Scale LTD for 2 seasons and love it. Nice and stiff and super light. I've raced a couple of 3 day multi stage marathon races on it through the crappiest of conditions and it held up fine. That Look also looks pretty cool but I've even switched my road bike to the Scott CR1 LTD because I liked the MTB so much. Good luck with your decision.

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    Based on "looks" alone, I'd go for the Scott. That integrated seat-mast on the Look just looks a little weird- I know the concept behind it, but it looks rather unattractive to me. The Scott looks awesome.

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    What about a Rocky Mountain Vertex Team carbon?

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    I'm riding a 5 inch travel dual suspension trail bike that is within a pound of that Look and a pound a half of the Scott.

    If you are looking for a real superlight hardtail, why not look at the Cannondale Flash. The high end lefty fork sheds some serious weight when compared to the even an SID World Cup fork.

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    Budget

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    what are the price ranges for the Look and Scott?
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    I've raced a Look 986 for 2 seasons.. sweet ride. I have not considered anything else for 2010. I have flown with my 986 (quite a bit) in a http://www.trisports.com/triall3sporc.html which is a compact hard case. My 986 is a size medium.

    Once the mast is cut, I believe you have up to 2cm of adjustment.. which is quite a bit.

    As far as the character of the 986 I would say its geometry leans towards fast single track. Long TT, slightly lower BB, and confident at high speed. I have an Indy Fab Ti Deluxe that is a little twitchier and better in the technical terrain, but not as sweet on the fast stuff.

    I bought the Look cause it looks cool.. as far as how a bike rides, I can race anything as long as it fits right.. the Look can build up real light too.. as most anything can, but carbon frames make for a light starting point.

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    2800 from on-line shops.

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    Thanks to www.weavercycleworks.com for my awesome bike frames!

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    Another option has presented itself.

    09 Merida FLX Team-D. Thoughts?

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    How about a Cannondale Flash? Such as the Carbon 2?
    Imo you will get better peformance and ride with the Lefty then anything else.

    Just a suggestion.

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    Cant really use a lefty for Adventure races, because trial side repairs are a pain in the ass with no support crews allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.brasington
    Cant really use a lefty for Adventure races, because trial side repairs are a pain in the ass with no support crews allowed.
    How is the Lefty worse/different in this regard than any other suspension fork? I don't have a Lefty but trailside rebuilds on my Fox and RS's would be a PITA too.

    Lefty-equipped bikes have won the 21 day unsupported (sort of) continental divide race for at least the last two years.

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    I have a 2009 model (ie last year's model) Scott Scale 30. I can't speak to the Look, but I love the Scott. Other than when I broke the left shifter in a crash, my Scale has stood up to a fair bit of abuse without any complaints, creaks, noises, etc. - it seems very solid and reliable despite the light weight. It really does feel like it climbs very well and is nimble and agile. My $0.02 is that you won't go wrong with the Scott.

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    Close to reaching a decision.

    Another key thing:

    Which would be more suited to a longer distance event? Like a 24 hr Adventure Race or 100km Mtb?

    I have had a look at both bikes in store, and the Look is definitely sexier, but people have said that because the Look is stiffer in the rear triangle, it is a lot less suited for the longer distance events than the Scott.

    True?

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    I have a Look 595 road bike and it's like sex on wheels. The Ergo-Post actually does flex on the elastomers smoothing out the ride. I run it with the soft red elastomers and apparently you can get gray super soft ones too if you want a little bit more cush. I remember the first time I rode my bike I was constantly stopping to check if the saddle was tight as the slight movement on the Ergo-Post made it feel like the saddle was slipping. Now that I'm used to it I think it's a brilliant design. That alone might sway me to the Look as it's comfort factor might be slightly higher, especially if you are in for long races.

    Can't go wrong with either bike though, both are super sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.brasington
    the Look is definitely sexier,
    That should end the search!

    My 986 is smooth as silk, at least when compared to my Ti Hardtails. Have not noticed BB flex, and I have noticed it on other bikes when hammering big gears outa corners (chain rubs on front derailure). With Carbon Fiber they seem to be able to build a rigid BB AND a smooth ride. The seatpost elastomers may help as well.

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    For pure looks, I would go with the Look. Pun intended. But I know a guy who has one and says the ISP can be a pain when traveling...difficult to box up etc.

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    Wouldn't it be better to have a FS bike for a 24hr race?

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    I use a full sus already, and previously used a hardtail. I definitely prefer the hard tails. I am pretty fit and normally finish quite fast anyway (6hr ARs in 3hrs etc etc).

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    my vote is the look.

    however, if you cannot choose. i'd consider the warranty of each bike, after sales care of each manufacturer and dealer? who do you want to give your hard earned $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkincake
    my vote is the look.

    however, if you cannot choose. i'd consider the warranty of each bike, after sales care of each manufacturer and dealer? who do you want to give your hard earned $.
    +1

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    The nice thing about the Look is that you are not seeing/passing one on "every" lap of a race. Get the look they are not as light as the Scoot but are alot better looking. And they ride great. I have been on one all year and have like it more than any other 26" bike i have raced in the last 20+ years. Good luck with decision.

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    l will most likely be a Large n the Scott, but am unsure abut sizes fr the Look.

    l am 5'11", long torso and shorter legs. Would l be a large?

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    I am 5-11 and ride a medium. The top tube is 23.6 with a 72.2 seat tube, fairly long and probably measures up as similar to a 19".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bellullabob
    Have you looked into the Specialized Swork stumpy hartail 26er or 29er. The 29er being 19lbs, will be my next wallet black hole...

    winner winner chicken dinner! That is one hot bike!

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    I am not wild about integraded seat post.

    I got new shoes the other day and had to raise my seat because the stack high is higher on them. There would probably have been enough of a range of adjustment on the Look but still.

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    Faced with unbelievable support for the Scott, a brand new large sized Scale 20 is on its way

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    post pics when ya get it!!! you got the 2009 right?? where did you order from?

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    I have a Large 09 Scale 20 on the way as well!! Have you got yours yet?

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    There was a mix up with the bikes, and they sent me a Spark instead, so the Scale should be here by Monday now

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