• 10-31-2012
    The Novice
    How do you ride a trainer?
    For those of us that ride a trainer in the winter for base mile purposes, how do you ride? and why?

    High Candence with lower resistance?
    or
    Lower Candence with higher resistance?

    The reason i ride the trainer in the winter is to lose weight and get base miles in for the spring. Any input or info would be appreciated.
  • 10-31-2012
    chuckred
    Yes...

    As in, it depends.

    Trainers seem to be better for either recovery (light resistance, moderate cadence) or intervals (intensity with either high resistance and low cadence or vice versa). Won't necessarily be all or none.

    In any case, more than an hour in any case is hard on the mental health. Mix it up with weights or something. I understand the hope for base miles, but do that when thevweather's good!
  • 10-31-2012
    Sheepo5669
    Just say no to riding indoors!
  • 10-31-2012
    jroden
    lots of long intervals and tempo, nothing much below, endurance outdoors
  • 11-01-2012
    spec4life
    I ride it just the same as I do when Im outside...cadence varies, but I base my effort on HR and PE.

    My max time on the trainer now is two hours and that is tough. In the past i have done as much as 3, but never again. Accordingly, in the winter ill do all my real long rides outside and then the shorter ones on the trainer.
  • 11-01-2012
    2fargon
    I like videos from "The Sufferfest." They make indoor riding bearable and all you have to do is whatever the video tells you. I'm taking a month or so off then hitting the trainer to get me strong for next spring.
  • 11-01-2012
    AndrwSwitch
    I have two ways I ride a trainer.

    Most of my trainer hours are at a computrainer center. It self-adjusts resistance to hit a certain power output. I just ride at whatever cadence. I find for the harder intervals, I do better at higher cadence. Not sure where my peak power is, but somewhere north of 100. I'll recover at a bit lower cadence.

    If I'm using my trainer at home, which I have to adjust from the resistance unit, I shift gears to change resistance. Similar pattern on cadence, though.

    In both cases, the cadence is in the range I'd use riding outdoors.
  • 11-01-2012
    bikeriderguy
    Long easy rides to build the base with the odd session that contains intervals.
    Setup in front of my big screen.
    Netflix is god's gift to indoor training.

    I would say 80% of my riding is at low intensity - spinning 80-85RPM just putting on the miles
  • 11-01-2012
    Poncharelli
    I do the traditional base training model (zone 2, with other little stuff thrown in). I like throwing in a change every 10 minutes, whether it's a cadence change, short sprint, or high cadence interval. It makes the time seem to go faster that way.

    Looking at last year's training calendar, I only did 15 trainer/roller sessions last winter, varying from 1 to 2 hours, and one single 3 hour session. All the other days i rode outside, attended long group road rides, or cross trained (hike or XCski, but on weekends only).

    I won't do any long intervals above Tempo power indoors. i get too overheated.
  • 11-01-2012
    Thatshowiroll
    In Russia, trainer rides you.
  • 11-02-2012
    Andrea138
    I only use the trainer for intervals, and only if the conditions outside aren't tolerable- the air gets polluted here in the summer, and in the winter, I use it when it's <40 or cold & raining.
  • 11-04-2012
    stevemtu
    erg mode
    if you want to forgo getting a new bike next year and spend the money on a computer controlled trainer (computrainer etc), then riding in erg mode, where there is power:time profile that you must match, is the best way to ride a trainer for me. you can link this type of trainer to an erg video or sufferfest power profile and watch the action as you ride. I must have a weak mind, because this kind of virtual reality actually makes it bearable!
  • 11-04-2012
    ZXFT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch View Post
    Not sure where my peak power is, but somewhere north of 100..

    WOAH! 100W! man you're going to break that trainer! :eekster:

    I think you forgot a zero:thumbsup:
  • 11-04-2012
    AndrwSwitch
    ^^^
    LOL, hope I forgot a zero in regards to peak power. :) But I meant cadence.
  • 11-04-2012
    SamoM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chuckred View Post
    Yes...

    As in, it depends.

    Trainers seem to be better for either recovery (light resistance, moderate cadence) or intervals (intensity with either high resistance and low cadence or vice versa). Won't necessarily be all or none.

    In any case, more than an hour in any case is hard on the mental health. Mix it up with weights or something. I understand the hope for base miles, but do that when thevweather's good!

    you got that right ;)

    I ride intervals and my max riding time gets to about 40mins. Then I hit the weights ;)
  • 11-14-2012
    hjan
    I use trainer at least two times a week due to work.

    I ride in many way:
    -agility i.e some set of 90rpm-100rpm-110rpm-resto
    -recovery
    -force or specific work
  • 11-14-2012
    Walt Disney's Frozen Head
    I don't work for these guys but the wife and I do subscribe as it makes trainer sessions very bearable - Trainer Road

    I use a computrainer mostly and the software interfaces with the computrainer seamlessly. There is also a Beta version that lets you more easily create erg workouts so you can run the 4x12 @85% that your coach prescribed.

    all ya need is a garmin speed/cadence sensor, an ant+ stick and a reasonably new trainer. Even creates a power file for uploading to Training Peaks or Golden Cheetah. IMO its easily worth the $10/month.

    If you're just looking to create a powerfile from your trainer ride, the latest version of Golden Cheetah (might still be in beta) will do almost the same thing - but I couldn't get the video to play in the GC screen.

    ymmv but definitely worth looking at.
  • 11-14-2012
    LMN
    I like to watch cross world cups while on the trainer. I do one lap hard, one lap easy until the race is over. A nice simple workout.
  • 11-14-2012
    Devincicx
    TBH anything below L3 is a complete waste of time on the trainer IMO.

    I personnaly do a lot of L4 and micro L6 workouts during winter on my trainer. When jan-feb comes, I switch to more L4 and L5 with less L6 work. I then hit the tempo (L3) and endurance (L2) workouts once I can ride outside.

    why would anyone want to ride the trainer at endurance pace is beyond my understanding. Sure there are some adaptations from endurance riding but your time is better used at higher intensity while indoors.
  • 11-14-2012
    spec4life
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    why would anyone want to ride the trainer at endurance pace is beyond my understanding.

    You said it...(reading a book can help with that).
  • 11-14-2012
    Devincicx
    Then explain how riding the trainer at L2 during winter will improve fitness for a time constrained rider ?

    There are adaptations from riding at L2, but I wouldnt bother with them during winter, when all I can do is ride the trainer for 1h-1h30.

    If you have plenty of time, maybe. If you have time to loose, sure. I dont, I train smart, I train hard.

    ** reading Joel Friel of Chris Carmichael book wont make you understand how the human body works.
  • 11-14-2012
    zippinveedub
    I don't ride one! Thats how :)
  • 11-15-2012
    hjan
    For me train hard every time you are on a trainer isn't good..
    Body tends to adapt to stimulus but also need recovery, so a good variance of workload is necessary.
  • 11-15-2012
    chrisgardner73
    If it's convenient and available, find an indoor group training class. I absolutely hate riding the trainer, but I've started attending indoor group classes twice a week, and it has helped a lot! I just show up with my road bike, hook it up to one of the CompuTrainer's, and follow the prescribed workout...and get yelled at by the coach leading the class! I like it because it takes the thought of coming up with my own workout out of the equation.

    Not sure about where you live, but a lot of shops here in CO offer classes...or maybe you even have a gym that offers them. I go to Carmichael Training Systems here in Colorado Springs.
  • 11-15-2012
    skunkty14
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    Then explain how riding the trainer at L2 during winter will improve fitness for a time constrained rider ?

    There are adaptations from riding at L2, but I wouldnt bother with them during winter, when all I can do is ride the trainer for 1h-1h30.

    If you have plenty of time, maybe. If you have time to loose, sure. I dont, I train smart, I train hard.

    ** reading Joel Friel of Chris Carmichael book wont make you understand how the human body works.

    Your statements have little to do with the effectiveness of riding a trainer for endurance and much more to do with time constraints of your personal schedule. While L2/Z2/endurance work on the trainer may have a special spot reserved in hell it is effective if you want it to be in my experience. Yes it's boring. Yes it's painful in a different manner than higher intensity work. Yes you're building aerobic base and burning fat to lean down (hopefully). If you don't have the time for a longer session, yes the value is questionable to many. But the same is true for a short L2 session outdoors.