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    Quote Originally Posted by reedfe View Post
    Well I had my first race and I went for a pre-race ride trying to use the bottle but that was just too difficult so I used the camelback on the race. Thanks for the input though guys!
    Cool--whatever works. My buddy uses a CB and does great. He just scales back on tools, etc. he normally carries.

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    My first Mtn bike race is coming up in 2 weeks. I will be be using my normal kit including camelbak and tools. The race is a single 24 mile loop and goes out in some remote areas. I pre-rode the course this past weekend and feel better with full kit. I don't expect to win, I just want to finish solidly in the pack. If it were a short loop course maybe it would be different.
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    Like reedfe ended up doing and like JoePAz plans to do, there really is something to be said for sticking with what you are familiar with for your first race.

    Yeah, maybe you get to the end and think, "Oh, if only I had done xyz differently, I would have placed better," but isn't that the point of a first race? To learn things?

    So to all the first timers out there, do what you are comfortable with. If this is your first race, that implies there will be more races. You can always switch things up then.

    For the record... I posted here 12-1/2 months ago asking "My first race is coming up. What tires should I use?" I ended up riding the tires I had experience riding on, even if they weren't the ones "everybody" said were best for that course. Also, here I am at the end of my first full season (10 races) of racing and I rode every single one with a light pink Camelbak Skeeter cause I can't reliably get a bottle in and out of the cage.

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    Use what is easiest to drink with. First race = might be a good idea to go ahead and use that Camelbak even they they are not "pro-like".

    Good luck out there. No matter what...race a second time in the near future...

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    If you are doing several races it's worth experimenting with both options and see which you like best.

    Like you, I started racing with a camelbak as that was what I was use to, but now race with a bottle. One of the other posters mentioned this, but using a bottle helps teach you discipline when drinking during a race.

    I use to guzzle down as much water as I could as the camelbak tube was always just there. Drinking out a bottle when racing on tight single track is much harder and I drink less.

    I've been doing slightly longer races (20 - 35 miles) and racing with a camelbak I always needed to stop for a "natural break" or two. Using the bottle it saves me a lot of time not having to stop and pee.

    Maybe I've just got a weak bladder though

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbco1975 View Post
    If you are doing several races it's worth experimenting with both options and see which you like best.

    Like you, I started racing with a camelbak as that was what I was use to, but now race with a bottle. One of the other posters mentioned this, but using a bottle helps teach you discipline when drinking during a race.

    I use to guzzle down as much water as I could as the camelbak tube was always just there. Drinking out a bottle when racing on tight single track is much harder and I drink less.

    I've been doing slightly longer races (20 - 35 miles) and racing with a camelbak I always needed to stop for a "natural break" or two. Using the bottle it saves me a lot of time not having to stop and pee.

    Maybe I've just got a weak bladder though
    You don't want to drink too little or too much fwiw... both can be a big detriment to your performance out there...

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    I'm starting to see them more and more at the elite level. I still use a water bottle and if I need two I put the second in jersey. If i need more than two, I have a little PVC stand that i can hammer into ground and grab as I ride by. Free's my wife up so she isn't stressed about missing me.

    I can't imagine having that weight on my back. I'd over heat and I would suck all the water dry in the first 10 minutes. Water bottles I can control amount and how often I drink. This is extremely important during longer endurance races (triathlons, xterra, etc.)

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    The ability to actually see the bottle in the cage and visually measure how much water you drank/have left is also nice. A second bottle placed in an easy to grab spot has worked for me but for the racing I have done the bottle in the cage has sufficient water.

    After a number of races and more attention paid to water intake I can use my camelbak on all my normal rides and really make the water last which gives me more miles if I can't refill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    Use what is easiest to drink with. First race = might be a good idea to go ahead and use that Camelbak even they they are not "pro-like".

    Good luck out there. No matter what...race a second time in the near future...
    I finished my first race and I was happy to have my camelbak. Despite being cool (52F) and not using much water the simple fact was that my camelbak was a known deal. I have been riding with one for years and I knew what to expect. I did not need to learn to reach for the bottle and drink mid ride. I never stopped for the entire ride and I am not sure I ever let off enough to grab a bottle and drink. The hose is much easier to reach and drink will not intrupting my riding.

    Now if I practice with the bottle then maybe it would be different, but with all the new things to think about racing vs just riding I happy to not have to think about water. My luck I would have dropped the bottle somewhere and had to do without. My finish postion was not going to be hurt by carrying the pack, but could be hurt if ran out of water due to losing a bottle or crashing tying to drink.

    I also saw 3-4 rides with flats out on the trail and who knows how many happened behind me. Riding with my full kit of spares was nice since it meant I was self sufficent. My "race" might be lost with flat, but it would not mean a DNF either. The extra weight is not going to make a difference for a rider at my level. However being stuck miles from anywhere with no tools would mean a crappy long walk back that would be no fun at all. If I really wanted to "win" then maybe I take the gamble on no mechicals and minimal water, but for a rider's who's goals were to ride well (best of my abilities) and finish... it was not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    I finished my first race and I was happy to have my camelbak. Despite being cool (52F) and not using much water the simple fact was that my camelbak was a known deal. I have been riding with one for years and I knew what to expect. I did not need to learn to reach for the bottle and drink mid ride. I never stopped for the entire ride and I am not sure I ever let off enough to grab a bottle and drink. The hose is much easier to reach and drink will not intrupting my riding.

    Now if I practice with the bottle then maybe it would be different, but with all the new things to think about racing vs just riding I happy to not have to think about water. My luck I would have dropped the bottle somewhere and had to do without. My finish postion was not going to be hurt by carrying the pack, but could be hurt if ran out of water due to losing a bottle or crashing tying to drink.

    I also saw 3-4 rides with flats out on the trail and who knows how many happened behind me. Riding with my full kit of spares was nice since it meant I was self sufficent. My "race" might be lost with flat, but it would not mean a DNF either. The extra weight is not going to make a difference for a rider at my level. However being stuck miles from anywhere with no tools would mean a crappy long walk back that would be no fun at all. If I really wanted to "win" then maybe I take the gamble on no mechicals and minimal water, but for a rider's who's goals were to ride well (best of my abilities) and finish... it was not worth it.
    Excellent. Good to hear

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    I don't race a lot so for me it depends on the race. How much supplies I think I'll need. Ideally, I would like to ride without a camelbak. It's just nice not having the weight and insulation on your back. For long point to point races, a camelbak is a necessity for me. Two tubes, hydration, misc tools and a pump. That's a lot of gear to try and get all on the bike though it can be done. Also, the aid stations may be more than two hours apart depending on the race. A lap race, is a little different. I haven't done any lap races where the laps are much more than an hour, give or take 10 minutes. 1 bottle per hour is the rule of thumb depending on weather and how much you sweat. So for lap races, I'll rely on 1 tube and CO2 plus tool which all fit in a saddle bag. Refill water bottles at the start finish. 1 or 2 bottles depends on the rider and the weather.
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    if you are a strong rider. just take the camel back and show them what a "tourist" can do. HAHA. piss off the weight weenies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chickenburgerin3d View Post
    if you are a strong rider. just take the camel back and show them what a "tourist" can do. HAHA. piss off the weight weenies.
    Fascinating thing about racing, there's relatively few chumps. Take every advantage you can get.

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    that is true. so any deficiency that you inflict on yourself gives a win more prestige. does it not?
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