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    2014 World Cup Thread

    Cuz' someone had to do it.

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    UCI Mountain Bike Calendar 2014 Season - World Cup and Champs

    April 10-13 2014.........UCI World Cup XCO / XCE / DHI 1 Pietermaritzburg
    April 24-27, 2014........UCI World Cup XCO / XCE / DHI 2 Cairns
    May 23-25, 2014........UCI World Cup XCO / XCE 3 Nove Mesto na Morave
    May 30-June 1, 2014...UCI World Cup XCO / XCE 4 Albstadt
    June 6-8, 2014...........UCI World Cup DHI 3 Fort William
    June 14-15, 2014........UCI World Cup DHI 4 Leogang
    July 31-Aug 3, 2014.....UCI World Cup XCO / XCE / DHI 5 Mont-Sainte-Anne
    Aug 7-10, 2014...........UCI World Cup XCO / XCE / DHI 6 Windham
    Aug 21-24, 2014.........UCI World Cup XCO / XCE / DHI 7 Méribel
    Sept 3-7, 2014...........UCI XCO/XCE/XCR/DHI WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS Hafjell
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    I miss the XCO at Ft. Bill.

    Also, no World Cup after the WC is too bad. I like seeing the new rainbow kit at one big race before the end of the season.

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    Yeah...someone was bound to do it I guess. I am sad that the USA got shut out this year. I am excited to see a dry Albstadt, even though last years mud-fest was arguably the best race of the whole season!
    Here's hoping all of the "Big Three" are healthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by criscobike View Post
    Yeah...someone was bound to do it I guess. I am sad that the USA got shut out this year. I am excited to see a dry Albstadt, even though last years mud-fest was arguably the best race of the whole season!
    Here's hoping all of the "Big Three" are healthy
    I see Windham on the schedule, is that not right?
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    Yep, Windham right after MSA this year.

    https://www.redbull.com/us/en/bike/e...world-cup-2014

    A lot of travel south of the equator this year. That flight between South Africa and Australia is at least 14 hours long. And South Africa is something like 30-35 hours from North America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SandSpur View Post
    I see Windham on the schedule, is that not right?
    Whoops! Yup my mistake. I got caught between thoughts as I typed about 2013 and 2014. Either way, I'm still a moron.
    The travel issue brought up is interesting. I know the racers are not fond of being in airplanes as they try to avoid catching colds. I wonder if we will see lots of guys skip races this next year.

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    Skipping early races screws up their starting position quite a bit, unless that have been doing lots of UCI points races pre-World Cup season. It's too bad that they changed the start order ranking from World Cup points to all UCI points, that works against riders running just the World Cup series, their start order ranking just gets worse and worse unless they are in the top 10 all the time at the finish.
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    They have changed it again.

    This year the first world cup will be by UCI points, after that the rest will be by world cup ranking.

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    Skipping early races screws up their starting position quite a bit, unless that have been doing lots of UCI points races pre-World Cup season. It's too bad that they changed the start order ranking from World Cup points to all UCI points, that works against riders running just the World Cup series, their start order ranking just gets worse and worse unless they are in the top 10 all the time at the finish.
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    Good thing too, that was a wacky idea and really hurt the non-Euro racers who have limited access to UCI points races outside of Europe.

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    They have changed it again.

    This year the first world cup will be by UCI points, after that the rest will be by world cup ranking.
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    Yea, I know it was crappy for Lea Davidson last season. She was consistently in the top 10, had a few podiums, etc. But, she was always like number 15-16... barely on the second row.

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    I don't want to miss out on this thread like I did last year, so subscribed.

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    I am curious, has anyone here every actually been to a WC event? If so describe what it was like...

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    Quote Originally Posted by criscobike View Post
    I am curious, has anyone here every actually been to a WC event? If so describe what it was like...
    Might have been to a few WCs, not to mention a world championships and an Olympics or two.

    What do you want to know? Course, atmosphere, ect...
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    I've spectated at 4 World Cups and a World Champs at Mont Sainte Anne, and the World Cup at St Felicien in Quebec. They put on a great events in Quebec. Typically had 20,000 spectators at MSA when MHP was racing, a bit less without. And they put on a big party on the last night after the DH races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    Might have been to a few WCs, not to mention a world championships and an Olympics or two.

    What do you want to know? Course, atmosphere, ect...
    It's on my bucket list. Seems like having a WC event won't be coming back to the western US for a long time (if ever again). So I will have to convince the wife to let me go. Just wondering what could I expect if I did go? Do you feel like you can follow what's going on at all? Is it a fun time? Worth my time/money?

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    WC are a lot of fun. My experience at them it a bit different then most, with my wife racing they are far from relaxing weekends, but still a lot of fun. I usually get a ton of riding in during week and spend the week watching some racing.

    How good of viewing experience it is depends entirely on the course. Mt. Saint Anne for example is superb to watch, with a bit of running you can catch the riders multiple time per laps. Other courses, like Windham for example, aren't as good. ( The course layout makes it really hard to follow the race. ) Fortunately the UCI brings in a big screen TV and you can watch the live feed while you are there spectating.

    I don't know of a WC event in western US, but from what I have been hearing there is a good chance for a Whistler WC in the near future.


    Quote Originally Posted by criscobike View Post
    It's on my bucket list. Seems like having a WC event won't be coming back to the western US for a long time (if ever again). So I will have to convince the wife to let me go. Just wondering what could I expect if I did go? Do you feel like you can follow what's going on at all? Is it a fun time? Worth my time/money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    I don't know of a WC event in western US, but from what I have been hearing there is a good chance for a Whistler WC in the near future.
    Been a long time since the World Cups on Grouse Mountain. Whistler would be good, it would be nice to drive to a WC race instead of fly.

    If you were going to make a vacation trip out of it, Mont Sainte Anne is a great destination. Still lots of open XC and lift assist trails to ride during the week while the race is organized and taped, and it's only 35 minutes from old Quebec City which is a worthy tourist destination on its own for the SO that maybe isn't as gung ho about watching MTB racing.
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    Very tempting to make the trek up the coast the Cairns this year... Some awesome riding in North Queensland and I have no doubt the WC weekend will go off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    WC are a lot of fun. My experience at them it a bit different then most, with my wife racing they are far from relaxing weekends, but still a lot of fun. I usually get a ton of riding in during week and spend the week watching some racing.
    Dude! That's sweet that your wife is racing at that level! Bravo. Are you comfortable revealing who she is so we can root for her? Do you have a blog or anything?

    That MSA course looks super sweet! If I ever make the trip there I will have to try out the course after the race (if people can get on it). It often seems that TV/video just doesn't do justice to how crazy the features are sometimes. I'd like to get a feel for how hard it really is. For example, that famous rock drop/left turn feature. It was taken out this last year. But I want to clean that sucker!
    My wife's family is in Michigan so maybe I can talk her into letting me drive over there for a weekend during a family visit.

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    Ah... I just checked when you joined the forum, most posters know her. The tiny girl in the Luna outfit on 2nd step of the podium in one of pictures above is my wife. That picture was after a good day for her, her first top three at a world cup. The next weekend was better.

    MSA is worth the trip. The course is generally closed during the week but, and you didn't hear this from me, you can often sneak on during the evenings. And your right TV doesn't do justice on how challenging the course is.


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    Dude! That's sweet that your wife is racing at that level! Bravo. Are you comfortable revealing who she is so we can root for her? Do you have a blog or anything?

    That MSA course looks super sweet! If I ever make the trip there I will have to try out the course after the race (if people can get on it). It often seems that TV/video just doesn't do justice to how crazy the features are sometimes. I'd like to get a feel for how hard it really is. For example, that famous rock drop/left turn feature. It was taken out this last year. But I want to clean that sucker!
    My wife's family is in Michigan so maybe I can talk her into letting me drive over there for a weekend during a family visit.
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    I thought I likely had a photo of Mrs.LMN at MSA, better known as Catharine Pendrel.

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    Along with some shots of the very well attended pit area and La Beatrice. It's supposed to be back in the game in 2014, the trails above it were eroded like mad in the spring. In the dry it isn't so scary unless the stones have got a nice coating of dust, in the wet it can be greasy enough that walking is more dangerous than riding.

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    I see Topeak-Ergon has dumped their XCO team.
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    Irina deserves better! They all do, but this chick has too awesome of a resume to get this treatment!

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    Ah! Mr. Pendrel it is a pleasure to meet you. Yes, I am a bit late to the party but I did discover the XC passion 4 years ago and have been totally hooked ever since. Besides, bike racing is far better for a family man tha hardcore rock climbing.
    What's also cool is that we are big Luna fans in this house. I was so psyched to see Nash get her first win (been close so many times)! Watch Georgia almost get it last year. You could see the emotion from your wife when she reached her just before the line! That had to be tough passing your teammate like that.
    After last year's disappointing year, I hope she comes back stronger than ever!
    Back on the original topic: the course at MSA is so classic, we are trying to convince our local ski resorts to cut XCO style courses modeled after it. We are slowly turning the gears if change out here in Utah.
    Despite my newness, I am pleased to meet you all and look forward to chatting up how awesome this next season will be. Hoorah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewarnerusa View Post
    I see Topeak-Ergon has dumped their XCO team.
    Topeak-Ergon Drops Cross Country To Focus On Marathon Racing | Cyclingnews.com
    Irina deserves better!!
    That IS bad news! Any word on where she will sign?

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    Irina has done quite well at MSA over the years, she's quite good at the technical trail surfaces. She's very tiny (5'-1") in person. Being small and light sure helps with her climbing speed.

    Any bike company or race team looking at having a proven contender could do worse, but I bet she'll be an expensive hire with her resume.

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    There's some rumours they added to that Cyclingnews article

    "There are unconfirmed reports that Kalentieva will still race under Ergon sponsorship, but as part of a Russian team while Rieder will race for a German team. Cross country rider Wolfram Kurschat may still be under contract for 2014."
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    Irina will still race in 2014. She will race and help run a Russian development team. Ergon will still be involved with Irina, but just not under the Topeak-Ergon banner. The team is narrowing its focus to events and formats that best match the brands involved with the team.

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    That's good news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criscobike View Post
    That MSA course looks super sweet! If I ever make the trip there I will have to try out the course after the race (if people can get on it). It often seems that TV/video just doesn't do justice to how crazy the features are sometimes. I'd like to get a feel for how hard it really is. For example, that famous rock drop/left turn feature. It was taken out this last year. But I want to clean that sucker!
    My wife's family is in Michigan so maybe I can talk her into letting me drive over there for a weekend during a family visit.
    I was at MSA this year (second time, also been to Windham). I rode the XC course the day after the races went off. I think officially it was closed, but no one said a thing or batted an eye lash as we rode it.

    I feel I'm a pretty confident technical rider and I rode the entire course and all sections without inspection, but there were certainly a couple moments where I wouldn't call what I did, or the line I picked 'smooth' and was just holding on, rather than attacking the course. Certainly picking lines in a pre-ride would have helped, but counter balance that trying to do it at race pace, and I'd say it was close to being the toughest 5 km of 'XC' riding I did this year. From my experience, the 'average' sport rider would feel pretty intimidated on the course.

    Any overall, WC's are fun to watch. I'd like to go back next year. We had our trailer right in the parking lot at MSA, right by the entry to where riders got pulled. It was tough to drink my beer in my lawn chair as a Junior or U23 rider got pulled and cried in his coaches arms. Awkward!

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    The Beatrice (part taken off this year) looks hard on TV but when you get up there right before the sharp left turn before the rock ''stairs'' it looks even more crazy. That section has not been worked on this year so it is even more sketchy with long grass and rocks all over the place. The lines are not easy to pick and see. The left turn is just nuts. FYI, even the chicken line is somewhat hard as well.

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    With one HC race (Bonnelle) and another possible one (Fontana) now on the UCI schedule, you can't help but wonder if a future world cup in California is in the cards.

    Pretty cool to see those big UCI races in North America. I wonder if they will draw Europeans.
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    I walked La Beatrice the day after the World Champs in 2010, it was slick enough that I nearly landed on my rear end a couple of times, The first 5 shots are the entrance at the top and then the sharp left. The last two shots are the view up and down from the rock paved descent. The chicken line is longer and just has fewer sharp rocks to land on, but just as off-camber in places.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devincicx View Post
    The Beatrice (part taken off this year) looks hard on TV but when you get up there right before the sharp left turn before the rock ''stairs'' it looks even more crazy. That section has not been worked on this year so it is even more sketchy with long grass and rocks all over the place. The lines are not easy to pick and see. The left turn is just nuts. FYI, even the chicken line is somewhat hard as well.
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    No surprise that La Beatrice is a big spectating spot in wet or dry conditions...

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    It's a shame they never put cameras in the twisty single track on the east end of the course, that rooty and rocky section is slick in the wet and there can be some good action in there. They do cover the one area with the steep descent and climb back up again, but the other twisty section that dumps them out in the bermed corners is fun to watch too.
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    I love that the season starts earlier this year. Yes, it does end earlier, but I don't have to wait as long now for it to start

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    LMN: Have you actually done or considered doing a video diary/blog at any of these races? It would be sweet IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criscobike View Post
    LMN: Have you actually done or considered doing a video diary/blog at any of these races? It would be sweet IMO.
    I agree a behind the scenes blog / video would be awesome.
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    Cycling news has an article about a UCI meeting to discuss what's working at certain WC venues. Fort William in England (remote location) pointed out something about a "Loyalty Incentive". Anyone know details on what that means here?
    It does seem that the venues are figuring out how to cover the event better. Camera locations, and angles are improving. XCE courses are getting more entertaining. One cool thing I would like to see are live video blogs from the teams each day of the week. I would really enjoy a live pre ride. Have the racer talk us through what they are seeing. Talk strategy. Stuff like that. Then again, I'm hooked on this stuff.

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    Typically loyalty incentives would be something like "bring last year's ticket for a $5 discount on this year's parking".

    Mont Sainte Anne doesn't charge any admission, they just charge for parking.

    When the World Cups were at Grouse Mountain, they didn't charge admission, they just charged the usual prices for the gondola lift. You could ride up Mountain Highway (almost 4000' elevation gain to ride from the base of the mountain to the top where the races were) and get in for free. I think they have a mandate to not charge for admission to UCI MTB events.
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    Colorado or California (Norsthar Resort in Tahoe) would be good options for XCO/DHI races. The summer trails at Northstar are pretty good and I can imagine designing a route that would be good for viewership. As usual, the problem is getting the fans out. Maybe build the weekend up with beer festival. It seems every CX race I watch from Belgium is basically a beerfest + race.

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    The biggest problem is getting enough sponsorship to pay out the UCI World Cup level prize money.
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    UCI XCO at Washington DC: brought to you buy: THE US CONGRESS! We're all millionaires!

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    The UCI just shifted Pietermaritzburg to April 10-13th with DH on Saturday and the XCO on Sunday.
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    Just so everyone knows, The New York State MTB Series will be presenting an xc race at the Windham World Cup on the same weekend as the WC, and on the same course! Ever wish you could race the course after the pros"? Here's your chance. The whole NYSMTB Series is pretty sick, actually.

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    guava

    interesting. I will be racing the Catamount Pro XCT the week before, im from Canada and would like to make the trip with my GF down to race the Windam race and then see the worlcup after.

    What are the categories for the Windam race? I assume there is a Pro category?

    That would be awesome!

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    The Categories are cat 1,2,3 ( beg. sport expert) in all age classes as well as SS open and pro/cat1 open.

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    Who will be the upcommer this year?
    Who will challenge Nino?

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    I expect Jaro to be in good race shape again this year. Of course Julien will always be game as well. But I think the new big name guy that will really start to challenge will be Cink and Naf. Merida could be a force this coming season.

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    I wonder if Jolonda Neff will be able to step up in the Women's field this year...? CLearly Julie B will be back in form and might run away with it early. Neff seems like a natural challenger if she has improved her endurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criscobike View Post
    I wonder if Jolonda Neff will be able to step up in the Women's field this year...? CLearly Julie B will be back in form and might run away with it early. Neff seems like a natural challenger if she has improved her endurance.
    I think Jolanda will be one of the best riders, but as always it is hard to be sure when. Young riders might get a year of racing when the results don't even get near the ones from the year before. But she will be there. Probably Jenny Rissveds when she is older.

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