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    Why I hate Performance Bike

    Why I hate Performance Bike
    1. Unlike LBSs, the techs and sales people talk to me in whatever way necessary to sell their China junk to me

    2. They recognize a majority of their employees have families that they would like to spend time with in the evening, but don't give a damn and make them work late at minimum wage so that Mr. Performance Bike can buy new gold rims for his Mercedes and give the rest to the Republican party (google this if interested)

    3. They actually have prices that are almost always much higher than Jenson, Pricepoint, and Ebay

    4. They have locations all over the place, just like Walmart, and are really good at killing other businesses that pay their employees fair wages. They are also really good at supporting child labor and destroying the environment by getting all their house brand junk from China

    5. Spam is on sale at Safeway

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    Really though, I do prefer buying from my LBS vs Performance, and yep Internet deals are cheaper.. but some things, like tubes.. are a more instant need and half the price for the same tube (literally, same maker even) than my LBS. It's harder to dodge, than say the W place.. which I don't even walk into.
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    There are pros and cons to PB. I bought my 1st real MTB from them after going to the LBS and getting sticker shock. My next bike will be from a LBS though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by needcheap

    2. They recognize a majority of their employees have families that they would like to spend time with in the evening, but don't give a damn and make them work late at minimum wage so that Mr. Performance Bike can buy new gold rims for his Mercedes and give the rest to the Republican party (google this if interested)
    Dude. Are you serious ? The hours are on the door. If somebody doesn't like it they can bail on their interview and get back in their car. No guns are being held to anyone's heads.

    And here in my neck of the woods performance is one of the VERY FEW shops that offers medical insurance to the full time people. And the dinky hole in the wall shops that have 2 models of tires in stock and no mechanics over 18 are also open on sunday. So is that ok with you since they're locally owned by a guy that drives a subaru ?

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    About the only thing I agree with is #3, and there are not many bike stores that beat (or match) Jenson, Price Point or ebay.

    Also #1 and #2 contradict each other. You basically are saying their techs and sales people are not good, so why do you think they don't deserve minimum wage? Also no one is making them work there, if they don't like the pay, hours etc. they are free to look elsewhere.

    And I don't know what LBS you go to (or work at) but every LBS I go to has just as many clowns as Performance working there. And their prices are usually double what Performance's are.
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    .. dont shop there then?

    performance bike is the cheapest place to buy parts, as long as they actively stock them. if you cant get the cheapest price there, you're doing it wrong. they'll price match anything, even if its ridiculous.

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    Alright, I hate to explain it, but my post was in response to "Why I love Performance Bike". Just wanted to bring in a different perspective. Don't get all worked up about it, have a cookie and get back on your Ironhorse bike!

    Oh and yes, in a dream world, people can just say "no" to their boss when he asks them to stay until 8pm instead of 6pm.
    Keep buying from Performance, Walmart and the like, until China owns everything, nice job. Always low prices! Oh, where did my job go?

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    lol, go to your locally owned small business and see whos making all the crap they sell.

    you bought into the propganda, congradulations. now go tell all your friends how american you are for not shopping at walmart, while you purchase your chinese goods locally for 2x the price.

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    One thing I have noticed is both Performance and Nashbar (owned by the same folks last I knew), are not as hot as they used to be...for closeouts and stuff. But you got to keep your eye on them though. They have been known to closeout some sock- knockers from time to time. Needcheap,...you know that's true homey. Chi bro-bro'll holla at you if he see sumpim. Feel me? (chek the best deals forum for my posts).
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    price match, no shipping.. if they stock it, its the best deal you can find. i dont know how they operate everywhere else, but locally they sell a lot of stuff thats not listed on the site, for silly almost unreasonable cheap prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomsmoto
    price match, no shipping.. if they stock it, its the best deal you can find. i dont know how they operate everywhere else, but locally they sell a lot of stuff thats not listed on the site, for silly almost unreasonable cheap prices.
    The one time I've been in a Performance store, they would only price match their own website. Just like Best Buy. Not really price matching as I understand it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiderInTraining
    The one time I've been in a Performance store, they would only price match their own website. Just like Best Buy. Not really price matching as I understand it...
    It looks like you're both right. It seems like a PITA that they will not PM an item until you buy it. Normally they'd PM an item to GET you to buy it.

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    We will match any advertised price on the same item within 90-days of your purchase.

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    When I first got back into MTB'ing a few months ago I checked out their website for some gear I needed. I decided to take a ride to my local PB location. I got there and the inventory sucked, prices were sky high (REI was 10-20% CHEAPER!) and the sales staff were rude.

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    They have their purpose in the bike community. When a co-worker asks me for a bike suggestion under $400, Performance is one of the two places I recommend (after the obligatory "spend more $$" talk).

    The thing I really despise of them is what they did to Supergo, and to an extent Nashbar.

    Right now, about all I use them for is when I need something at 8PM the night before a big ride, and the occasional clearance bin find. Got a set of Sidi Doms for $95 and a giro atmos for $55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrah
    They have their purpose in the bike community. When a co-worker asks me for a bike suggestion under $400, Performance is one of the two places I recommend (after the obligatory "spend more $$" talk).

    The thing I really despise of them is what they did to Supergo, and to an extent Nashbar.

    Right now, about all I use them for is when I need something at 8PM the night before a big ride, and the occasional clearance bin find. Got a set of Sidi Doms for $95 and a giro atmos for $55.

    I agree with grrrah. Although I really don't love PB, I'm glad there in my neighborhood for an occasional last minute/needed/cheap part.


    OP: The "China Junk" of which you speak can be found just as much at your LBS as at PB. And I'm sure that the majority of us are riding a "China Junk" made bike when we hit the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiderInTraining
    The one time I've been in a Performance store, they would only price match their own website. Just like Best Buy. Not really price matching as I understand it...
    That was not my experience; I told them "do you PM? go to this web site and check the price" and they matched it no questions asked about 150$ off a fork by that time
    You just have to ask nicely

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    I'll bet people would be surprised at how much stuff they buy in general that isn't American made. I'd say around 90-95% is likely imported form somewhere or another. There's very few stuff that's actually made in the USA these days, it just costs too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBW
    That was not my experience; I told them "do you PM? go to this web site and check the price" and they matched it no questions asked about 150$ off a fork by that time
    You just have to ask nicely
    yeah, pretty much! the guys who work there tend to not really give a crap.. if that means marking something off 75% they will, as long as you can prove someone else sells it for that price.. sometimes you dont even have to prove it.

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    at my local Performance, I have had nothing but good luck. The sales people have all been knowledgeable and helpful. They are great about price matching, and often do minor repairs/adjustments for free. Just go in there, be friendly, and they should do the same for you. Sure they arent a small LBS, and sure they do sell some chinese crap, but If they have what you need, they are a great place to shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by needcheap
    Why I hate Performance Bike

    2. They recognize a majority of their employees have families that they would like to spend time with in the evening, but don't give a damn and make them work late at minimum wage so that Mr. Performance Bike can buy new gold rims for his Mercedes and give the rest to the Republican party (google this if interested)
    oying the environment by getting all their house brand junk from China
    even if you deliver Newspapers, you have to get there when they tell you to be there, not when you want to be there,
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    Wow.. you must have serious problems with PB

    1. Park tools, Giro, Shimano, etc. Plus some of us can't always afford the expensive stuff...

    2. Im pretty sure no one is pointing a gun to make employees work late there

    3. Regular prices are indeed higher compared to online retailers. But catch a good sale and rebate offers, heck they might be cheaper than online retailers. And you can buy and try it on the spot!


    4. Oh geez.. not the evil Walmart and China argument... I'm not even going to respond to this.

    5. I love SPAM! :-)

    Not saying PB is the place on earth but you can't say they are the worst either. I actually appreciate the store. They same way I appreciate Walmart.

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    A little OT

    I think the whole china and wal mart thing is really interesting. I don't like that so much manufacturing (and jobs along with it) are being outsourced to China, but what are you going to do?

    I was watching an interesting program on the discovery channel awhile back called "The People's Republic of Capitalism." One portion of the show featured the shutdown of a plant (in AK or MO, I think) because most of the jobs were moving to China. Of course the workers were very upset with the company and criticized them as being un-American. However, when the workers were asked "Where do you shop?" They all answered "Wal Mart." We demand low prices on items, but also demand that companies stop outsourcing jobs. Very interesting stuff.

    What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poontank
    What do you guys think?
    I think that capitalism, by its very nature, eats its own.

    I also think PB sucks because they charge sales tax here because they operate a call center somewhere in the state.
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    You never know what kind of closeouts you're gonna find at perfomance or nashbar. They are the"dollar store" of the bike industry. Just call the toll free number to get the rules about price matching. ...Sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poontank
    I think the whole china and wal mart thing is really interesting. I don't like that so much manufacturing (and jobs along with it) are being outsourced to China, but what are you going to do?
    you know the best way not to lose your job at the factory?

    go to college and dont work in a crappy factory to begin with

    plus you have to remember that chinese goods dont magically appear here, or get dropped off and stocked on the shelves by the chinese. they make it, they ship it. an american company handles it incoming, another american company distributes it, another american company receives it and sends it to walmart.. which is managed by american workers who dictate the marketing, implementation and design, stocking and labeling to another group of american workers.. to be used in a store front built by an american contruction company, and that store pays taxes, federally and locally.

    why do people glaze over that? theres a lot of parts of importing chinese goods that CANT be imported. tons of americans make a living off importing chinese goods. the product is probably 1/10th the money exchanged in a retail situation.. walmart is the largest employer of americans in the country.. whats that say about "losing" jobs to outsourcing?

    the industry is changing. jobs arent being lost, they're being changed. no you cant work in a crappy factory anymore, but theres a ton of other positions that just opened up to fill those spaces.

    everyone should stop and think "can my job be done by someone in china/india just as easily with no downside?". if the answer is yes, you need to change industries before you're the guy on the news ranting about losing his job.

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    ^^ While this is true, have you ever worked at a Walmart? It may be a job, but all it is to most is merely a paycheck and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poontank
    What do you guys think?
    Unions don't help much either...look at what happened to GM.

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    like peanut butter?

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    "walmart is the largest employer of americans in the country.. whats that say about "losing" jobs to outsourcing?"

    Aside from your spelling and grammar skills, you are disqualifying your entire statement portrayed by the ignorance and incorrectness of the above statement.

    The government is the largest employer in the USA.

    You are comparing these two situations:

    a. Items produced in the USA and sold in the USA
    b. Items produced in China and sold in the USA

    You are saying that jobs in the USA are not lost in situation b. I'm not even going to comment on that.

    Most of the statements in this thread help me understand why the USA is going down. For some reason I thought that the average cyclist was a little smarter and more educated than the average Fatland citizen. I give up.

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    Needcheap: check out your SN. If you want cheap it will have to come from cheap sources--right now its emerging economies like China and India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    like peanut butter?
    That was enlightening

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    Quote Originally Posted by needcheap
    "walmart is the largest employer of americans in the country.. whats that say about "losing" jobs to outsourcing?"

    Aside from your spelling and grammar skills, you are disqualifying your entire statement portrayed by the ignorance and incorrectness of the above statement.
    so i missed a few letters. kill me. you also didnt indent, or cite properly. or use anything resembling the MLA format.

    why? maybe because those things have no bearing on word recognition, comprehension, legibility or ease of reading.. while conversely things like reasonable length paragraphs do.. which i did. but (started a sentence with but!) thanks for being anal about it.
    The government is the largest employer in the USA.
    thats like paying yourself. you're not forced to shop at walmart.. you're forced to pay taxes, which pay workers. its different.
    You are saying that jobs in the USA are not lost in situation b. I'm not even going to comment on that.
    nope. im saying the market trend of chinese goods sold in the US have changed the market. jobs have shifted. yes jobs are gone. yes factory workers are now unemployed.. but you'd be kidding yourself to deny the fact that the importing of foreign goods, and the volume in which we do it now, has created an industry in itself.

    you have to stop and think how so many people are still making money when "everything" is being outsourced.. maybe its because really not much is being outsourced and theres a ton of jobs, and money in the united states economy. its the loud minority scenario.
    Most of the statements in this thread help me understand why the USA is going down.
    ok, comrade? we're not the borg, theres no united citizens commune. theres really no "we" in a society like the one weve created. im not going down? ive made more during the recession than i have in my whole life.. it happens.. my investments also went up this year. lots of people did the same. people just like the doom-and-gloom scenario that EVERYONE must be doing terrible because they dont like the way the economy has changed. "we" will never fail by the nature of the country, as theres really no "we".

    its not true.. or reasonable.. or valid. the worlds changing, some people change with it and go on to prosper. some people ***** about it, keep their industry and go under.

    performance bike is an american company turning profit. its a great example of what im talking about. they've found a way to profit from a changing world. how many bike shops do you see closing and performance bikes opening?

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    this comes up over and over and over..

    you can do what you can to make smart financial decisions, save your money, and build your future. or fight the entire world, all the market trends, and the whole global economy to make a dying stand and crumble with it.

    its time we move forward. im ahead of the outsourcing and going back to school anyway, just to stay competitive. it beats *****ing about what you cant change, doesnt it?

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    i got an american made Lynskey cross frame for 700 bucks so performance bikes is ok by me.

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    Outsourcing sucks, but there is no way around it. It's reality. I like to have a variety of small cool, locally owned bike shops around, but when I need something, it is hard to pass up the best price, which is usually Performance. Recently I bought a helmet at the LBS and knew I could have saved $15 bucks at Performance, but did it anyway.
    I've worked in manufacturing all my life. It's not about crappy factories. Manufacturing is cool. Losing manufacturing jobs here is bad for the country, and bad for our security from the standpoint of relying so heavily on China, which is not exactly a trustworthy friend.
    I don't know if isolationism is the answer, but the reason we can't compete with the Chinese, is not just about cost of living. We give them our technology and their people come over here to be educated. They break our patent laws, and copy our ideas. Then they flood our markets with products they copied from us, and sell at a loss thanks to Chinese Government subsidies, and we don't even put tarriffs on their products to give an American company a chance.
    I worked for a company that went under because we couldn't compete with a Chinese chemical that was selling for under our raw material cost. They shipped it half way around the world and sold it in our back yard for cheaper than we could make it. How? The Chinese gov will sell at a loss to keep its people employed. It's cheaper than having a billion people on welfare. And there vision is for the long term. They are not worried about this years bottom line, they are thinking about years down the road, when the competition is gone and they control the market.

    Despite that little rant, Performance Bike is not about the Chinese problem, its about the big box mega corporation squeezing out the little guy problem, which is a whole different story.

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    Most people don't put their money where their mouth is when it comes to the whole "everything is made in china" issue. Next time you go buy something, do a search to see if you can't find a brand that is made in the U.S. -- often you can, sometimes you can't. BUT -- here's the catch. The made in the U.S. brand, will be more $$ than the made in china or taiwan or maylasia brand. That's when people start to rationalize and justify...and go buy the made in china product that is cheaper -- when it affects THEIR wallet.

    Frankly, most people beotch about it, but don't even try to find made in U.S. products. They're too lazy, then they're too cheap. I tell them if they aren't willing to back up their words with action and $$, then they have no right to complain.

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    Now that I know that the owner supports the Republican party, I'll make sure I shop there more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnieA
    Now that I know that the owner supports the Republican party, I'll make sure I shop there more.
    Well I won't get into politicin' widdim cause I dunno that much about 'em in that light, but the closeout prices and pricematching, plus the fact that I know they hire blackfolk (I hear 'em on the phone) is enough to make them legit for me. plus my access 29er frames for under $100. ...They cool.
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    Support Republicans? Hmm, now that we have control of Bush's illegal wire taps, we'll have to have our death panels listen in on them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomsmoto
    nope. im saying the market trend of chinese goods sold in the US have changed the market. jobs have shifted. yes jobs are gone. yes factory workers are now unemployed.. but you'd be kidding yourself to deny the fact that the importing of foreign goods, and the volume in which we do it now, has created an industry in itself.
    I agree that the Chinese goods have changed the market and formed retail stores. The American workers lost their specialized training, which gave them a high paying job. This job was replaced with a minimum wage retail job at a place like Wal-Mart. Anyone else see a problem with this system besides the Chinese controlling the production of goods into our economy. If our relationship with the Chinese collapses this country would be in shambles.

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    Are you telling me that my XT cranks, Avid brakes, SRAM cassettes and chains from PB are made in a different place than the same stuff bought elsewhere?

    My PB price matches all the above by just googling for prices at the checkout counter.
    I love the place.

    PS: The employees seem happy to me, always say hi and come again with a smile on their face.
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