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    Quote Originally Posted by CupOfJava View Post
    "Guaranteed price match" is misleading and blatantly false..
    I don't see anywhere that states "guaranteed". Either way, it was always my understanding that a price match is for identical items. This is like trying to get a store to sell you a new boxed television for the price of the discounted floor model. Sure, nobody has owned the floor model, but, its not exactly new either. Not the same thing.

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    I think in this case you will find the Jenson part probably has twice the warranty of the Blue sky company.

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    i asked a jenson rep how do they know blue sky sells oem stuff. the rep said they have bought most of the shimano items blue sky has from time to time, to check to see if it is oem or not. everytime time all the parts came in a plastic bag, no retail packaging.

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    FWIW, I've bought a bunch of stuff from Blue Sky Cycling over time. The items on sale. I've never received retail packaging on anything except for saddles. Every time I shop Blue Sky Cycling, I expect OEM packaging, but I'm not one who really cares. The only OEM item that would concern me are tires as OEM is not always to the same spec as retail. They are sometimes heavier or thicker and stiff and hard.

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    Jenson price matched a set of pedals for me on my first and only purchase with them. It took about an hour and was easy like Sunday morning. I avoided shipping and jipped the Fed out of their taxes. I'll definitely use Jenson again.

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    Get a lawyer and sue them.
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    I find jenson to be hit and miss. I did get them to match a cassette that I found cheaper on amazon and a set of bb7 160mm that was 39.98 on price point. I do feel like they do the best they can. I have nothing but good things to say about Jenson or bluesky.

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    If you only shop at places that claim to be price matching, instead of just starting with whoever has the cheapest price, you're a complete moron and deserve to be treated as such.
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    I'm hoping Santa locks and throws away the key to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    If you only shop at places that claim to be price matching, instead of just starting with whoever has the cheapest price, you're a complete moron and deserve to be treated as such.
    Aside from the overreaching global comment... I do the above to avoid shipping charges and/or taxes. If I'm getting free shipping from another retailer, it would be better to order more from them. Because if I start a new order with another vendor, I might not order enough to avoid shipping charges. So if the first vendor is willing to pricematch, I'm able to get the cheapest price (or sometime the cheapest that they can do) and free shipping. Am a still "a complete moron and deserve to be treated as such"?

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    Why get you panties all knotted up about this?

    Just order it from the cheaper place.

    Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtyling View Post
    I'm hoping Santa locks and throws away the key to this thread.

    Well it pretty much died on its own a week ago.......until you resurrected it....hoping it would just die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    Honestly I'd trust Jenson over BlueSky. I've ordered from BlueSky several times and always received brand new parts but out of the original packaging. Whether or not it's a take-off part it's not being sold as a brand new part.
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    If Jenson won't match, try Treefort or Universal.
    Same here Jenson is a great company and very reliable

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    I've had nothing but great experiences with Jensen. Treefort is good too.

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    Jenson bought a widget for 50 bux.

    I want them to sell it to me for 45 bux. And free shipping. And no tax.

    They won't.

    Jenson sucks, I hate them.
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    They just priced matched a Kreitler fork stand for me. Saved me $16.00 & free shipping!

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    Just had jenson price match me some XTs from Nashbar, for $5 more than their OEM bits. I really like Jenson.

    edit: and some hayes rotors, and a vivid spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmHolland View Post
    FWIW, I've bought a bunch of stuff from Blue Sky Cycling over time. The items on sale. I've never received retail packaging on anything except for saddles. Every time I shop Blue Sky Cycling, I expect OEM packaging, but I'm not one who really cares. The only OEM item that would concern me are tires as OEM is not always to the same spec as retail. They are sometimes heavier or thicker and stiff and hard.
    I'm new to this thread. Are we still talking about bike parts???

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    The only thing that sucks about the Jenson price match is that they sometimes dont offer the parts I'm looking for . . . so I cant match the price and use their free shipping policy as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    I'm new to this thread. Are we still talking about bike parts???
    No, it's a dildo I ordered for anal pleasure.

    I meant tires. :P Some OEM tires are not actually what is spec'd on manufacturer's websites. I know this is true for WTB. OEM tires are usually heavier, by a 200-300g, for WTB, with thicker casing.

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    How about Blue Sky Cycling XT build kit? $850 good deal. Expect OEM to be the same as packaged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoolie View Post
    How about Blue Sky Cycling XT build kit? $850 good deal. Expect OEM to be the same as packaged?
    Check out Total Cycling:

    Groupsets - MTB: Total Cycling

    1) Shimano XT M775 Group With Hydraulic Brakes - 10sp Triple $595.12
    2) Shimano 2012 XT M785 Group With Hydraulic Brakes - 10sp Triple $692.22

    Shipping is ~$20 via the post office (max $10 brokerage fee in Canada).

    The prices at Merlin Cycles are slightly better but they are out of stock at the moment:

    Shimano Groupsets | Merlin Cycles

    1) Shimano XT M780 2 x 10 Disc Brake Groupset - Black $703.00-$35.16= $667.84
    2) Shimano XT M780 3 x 10 Disc Brake Groupset - Black $703.00-$35.16= $667.84

    Merlin uses UPS to ship groupsets (to Canada at least). They don't charge for shipping but UPS means I would get hit with big brokerage fees.

    You could also try:

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    - I avoided these because they ship via DHL and in Canada they also charge big brokerage fees.

    Just purchased the 2012 group from Total Cycling. TC's prices are slightly higher and they charge for shipping but, knock on wood, most shipments I get in the mail are not charged any taxes/duties for some unknown reason. Even if I do end up having to pay tax, the shipping cost+higher price probably equals the UPS brokerage fees so the difference would be minimal.

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    I estimate that I've saved over 300 bucks using Jenson's price match. Saved 75 on a fork, 60 on a crankset that is guaranteed for *life*, and lots of little 10's, 15's and 25's here and there. I know that if I find a lower price on the SAME EXACT, in stock item somewhere else, Jenson's will match it - never had them say no. If I'm too busy to go get something and I don't need it ASAP, I just have them ship it to me - here in a day or two and their free shipping starts at 50 bucks. Just saved 24 bucks on a Weirwolf TCS - 45 bucks. Jenson's is my go to place - literally; they're right down the road, so they're also my LBS. Their Riverside place is kinda neat too, Just a little office with a couple of bikes, a few tires and computer terminals for looking items up. You give 'em your part numbers and they go to the warehouse and grab your parts. I've gotten a couple of warehouse tours as well - their warehouse is amazingly large. I've never had a bad experience with them (probably 30+ transactions, at least 10-15 price matches), and I know that if I I did, they would bend over backward to fix it.

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    OEM XT brakes versus retail?

    So...other than the packaging, is there any difference between the XT disc brakes Blue Sky sells and other places like Jenson? Is this just a packaging issue or is the product actually different?

    Personally I am all for cheaper prices and less packaging, as long as the product is the same.

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    generally it's just packaging but i suppose it can really be any number of differences.
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    JensonUSA priced matched a few things for me from outlet stores where they were probably losing money on things or the margin was super small. I remember PM'ing an outlet clearance sale from Department of Goods and they honored it, though they told me not to share the PM code (was their old website). I'm a local who rides with them, so could have been someone who knew me and hooked me up at risk of endangering their job.

    Just for theory testing purposes, I'm gonna try PMing this store:

    CamelBak Charge LR 70 oz. Peat - 6pm.com

    6pm.com Reviews - 6pm.com Ratings at ResellerRatings (poor rep, consistent and recent reviews implying that there's some spotty warehouse picking accuracy)

    On top of the online store's poor rep, this Camelbak is priced so low that margins would be razor thin, if they were making money at all, according to an inside source who can purchase these at cost through their employee discount (who couldn't say exactly how much it costs them). Should have official reply tomorrow. What do you guys think, JensonUSA will approve or reject?

    I assume JensonUSA can pull their "authorized dealer" flag on it, as this shop claims to buy out stock from authorized dealers and manufacturers, and probably isn't one. I know TreeFortBikes and other semi-auto PMs can auto-reject for prices that are too low. I suppose they can make an exception too, using that catch-all they have, saying PM terms can change at any time. I'd be more surprised if they do match it, though people could reason it's a "bro deal" and prob a rare exception.

    Some may ask, why not just order from 6pm? Uh, did you see those reviews and all the "value added" services JensonUSA adds on to all purchases made through them? Hard to put a value on them, but they definitely cost something to have employees supporting 'em, like warranty services and having enough warehouse workers to get things out on a tight schedule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmc View Post
    So...other than the packaging, is there any difference between the XT disc brakes Blue Sky sells and other places like Jenson? Is this just a packaging issue or is the product actually different?

    Personally I am all for cheaper prices and less packaging, as long as the product is the same.
    I believe it's packaging and supplies. You miss out on the various plastics that shimano ships their brakes with (pad spreaders, bleed tools) as well as brass olives and barbs, but I think the big miss is that it SOUNDS LIKE the retail versions come with both resin and metal FINNED pads, and the OEM versions come with "maybe metal" non-finned pads. The difference is supposedly minor, but if you buy them separately, it's $40 more.

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    Don't think shimano retail brakes are any diff from OEM, besides the packaging. They both come in versions with and without IceTech pads. Shimano doesn't include adapters and rotors with retail either, as they want ya to buy them separately to suit your bike and your riding.

    I know SRAM OEM brakes might not come with the olive nuts parts for shortening the hose properly, nor rotor, nor adapters, while their retail kits do. I know OEM cranks don't come with BBs included. In general, OE parts are diff from retail. I think the warranty may limited too, and is up to the seller, rather than direct with Shimano or just any authorized Shimano dealer. What if BlueSky isn't dedicating anyone to be a warranty rep for Shimano and other vendors? JensonUSA definitely has one, as I've been in their HQ. Take an OE part for warranty to a bike shop and they'll ask for proof of purchase maybe... and if it's not retail or something they sold, maybe they won't spare their man power to handle your case and just say take it to where you bought it.

    Was chatting with Jenson guys earlier and they were talking about how they bought warehouse stock that included this Shimano stuff, and earlier it was new old stock from Easton (maybe those non 31.8mm riser Monkeylite bars, etc). They were stacking Shimano stuff up to the ceiling, in a warehouse that's not near full capacity.

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    Oh, and surprise surprise:



    This is prob like $5 over what it costs them to buy, not counting freight and overhead.

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    Use your LBS and you'll have the service that you expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnek View Post
    Use your LBS and you'll have the service that you expect.
    If you mean overpriced with attitude then you are correct.

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    Not that crap again...yeah, if you were to buy a retail packaged XT brake, if it didn't take three weeks for them to get it to you, you'd spend $80 a side more than we are, if they ONLY price it at MSRP. I could buy the stuff online, take it to them, and have them install it for less than $160, then everybody is happy.

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    What if you don't have a LBS? I grew up where the closest shop to me was 200 miles.

    Shimano's OE policy is that the manufacturer (since OE is supposed to be going on a complete bike) is responsible for warranty. So, if you buy from BSC, the warranty would be through them, not Shimano. I'll pay a bit more for a warranty than I would to have to deal with a customer service guy at a shop.

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