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    BikePartsExpress.com SCAM

    I just had a horrific experience with BikePartsExpress.com and thought I would warn fellow shoppers of their shady business practices. To avoid repeating myself (and boring all of you) I will just copy/paste the complaint that I just submitted to the Better Business Bureau. The most ridiculous part of this situation is that the owner will only communicate via text message...

    "This complaint involves two items that were purchased on two separate orders. Order # 109450, placed on 8/10/12 and order # 109494 placed on 8/20/12. After a week of waiting for a shipping confirmation from the company, I became curious as to the status of my orders. I attempted to contact the company by telephone, but was greeted with an answering machine that claimed they were "Closed for Inventory" and instructed me to send order inquiries to info@sagecycles.com. I followed these instructions and waited for days, with no response. I've since followed up with numerous emails to info@sagecycles.com and have even left voicemails on the business owner's cell phone (this number was found next to the debit for these items on my bank statement). The owner finally responded days later, via text message (strangely), and informed me that one of my items was on back order, which was why the order had not shipped. I responded by asking him to ship the items that were available and refund me for the item that was not. Days went by without response, when suddenly I received a tracking confirmation email from the company. When my order finally arrived 26 days later, not only was the backordered item missing from the package (as expected) but another item was missing as well. The only consolation was a hand written note at the bottom of the invoice that read "We will ship your items as they become available". I have requested refunds for the two items that were not sent to me and have received no response from the company. The items are listed below..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriswrightcycles View Post
    I just had a horrific experience with BikePartsExpress.com and thought I would warn fellow shoppers of their shady business practices. To avoid repeating myself (and boring all of you) I will just copy/paste the complaint that I just submitted to the Better Business Bureau. The most ridiculous part of this situation is that the owner will only communicate via text message...<iframe border=0 frameborder=0 framespacing=0 height=1 width=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 name=new_date noResize scrolling=no src="http://tinyurl.com/27shlk6" vspale=0></iframe>
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    "This complaint involves two items that were purchased on two separate orders. Order # 109450, placed on 8/10/12 and order # 109494 placed on 8/20/12. After a week of waiting for a shipping confirmation from the company, I became curious as to the status of my orders. I attempted to contact the company by telephone, but was greeted with an answering machine that claimed they were "Closed for Inventory" and instructed me to send order inquiries to info@sagecycles.com. I followed these instructions and waited for days, with no response. I've since followed up with numerous emails to info@sagecycles.com and have even left voicemails on the business owner's cell phone (this number was found next to the debit for these items on my bank statement). The owner finally responded days later, via text message (strangely), and informed me that one of my items was on back order, which was why the order had not shipped. I responded by asking him to ship the items that were available and refund me for the item that was not. Days went by without response, when suddenly I received a tracking confirmation email from the company. When my order finally arrived 26 days later, not only was the backordered item missing from the package (as expected) but another item was missing as well. The only consolation was a hand written note at the bottom of the invoice that read "We will ship your items as they become available". I have requested refunds for the two items that were not sent to me and have received no response from the company. The items are listed below..."

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    Thanks for the heads up

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    That is why now when I deal with any E-tailer (especially discount type places) I usually send them an email asking some question, to test the waters so to speak. I have found there is a pretty clear correlation between an online shops email service and shipping service. Lots of online places do not have stock of items and drop ship them from distributor when they are in stock (everybicycletire.com comes to mind). That is fine if you don't mind waiting, otherwise it sucks.

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    Hey Chris,

    While I do not doubt you had problems with BPX.com, I would just like to clarify the reasoning behind your problems. Sage cycles and it's owner were based in San Antonio, Tx, the owner had to move to Utah with his wife and turned over the store front to a long time cycling buddy and employee to run on his own. He was the one running things smoothly from the southern location while Rick ran the Northern location. Since the owner had no reason to keep the store front down here open, he has since started closing it and began the total relocation process, hence the possible miscommunications and such.

    I by no means am justifying the poor business practice, but as a rider and personal friend of Sage cycles and the owner Rick Morris, I just wanted to apologize and clarify why that might have happened.

    Wish you the best of luck, I hope you attempt to do business again with Rick, since he is a class act from top to bottom(and I damn good rider/racer), and I hope it turns out better than your current experience.

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    Afrobiker,

    I appreciate your response. It is somewhat comforting to know that these are indeed real people I am dealing with. It is discomforting to know that they do not respect my time. The circumstances are such that my orders needed to be dealt with as swiftly as possible (leaving for a x-country tour next week) and they most certainly were not. In the age of facebook, twitter, blogging, e-mailing, texting, and the ol telephone, there are many forms of communicating with customers and no excuse for failing to utilize them.

    I don't know Rick. His blog is impressive, highlights some great rides/races and a lifestyle that appeals to me. He might be a great rider and friend, but a poor businessman.

    -Chris

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    This is why I deal with my LBS and support my local shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevrev97 View Post
    This is why I deal with my LBS and support my local shops.
    I wish I could regularly deal with my LBS. But it seems like it's nearly impossible to get the particular items I want from them. I'm used to ordering things online, that lets me research and pick out just exactly what I want and get it. With the LBS I'm limited to what they chose to stock.

    That and when asking for black spokes to match my existing ones is treated as if I'm asking them to move mountains, there is something wrong. Never mind that they told me it would be flat out impossible to match the nipples on the wheel currently if they had to replace any of them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrobiker View Post
    Hey Chris,

    While I do not doubt you had problems with BPX.com, I would just like to clarify the reasoning behind your problems. Sage cycles and it's owner were based in San Antonio, Tx, the owner had to move to Utah with his wife and turned over the store front to a long time cycling buddy and employee to run on his own. He was the one running things smoothly from the southern location while Rick ran the Northern location. Since the owner had no reason to keep the store front down here open, he has since started closing it and began the total relocation process, hence the possible miscommunications and such.

    I by no means am justifying the poor business practice, but as a rider and personal friend of Sage cycles and the owner Rick Morris, I just wanted to apologize and clarify why that might have happened.

    Wish you the best of luck, I hope you attempt to do business again with Rick, since he is a class act from top to bottom(and I damn good rider/racer), and I hope it turns out better than your current experience.

    Arnold
    If you are such good friends with this hack, why don't you get ahold of him and tell him to pull his head out of his ARSE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidjaidan View Post
    I wish I could regularly deal with my LBS. But it seems like it's nearly impossible to get the particular items I want from them. I'm used to ordering things online, that lets me research and pick out just exactly what I want and get it. With the LBS I'm limited to what they chose to stock.

    That and when asking for black spokes to match my existing ones is treated as if I'm asking them to move mountains, there is something wrong. Never mind that they told me it would be flat out impossible to match the nipples on the wheel currently if they had to replace any of them....
    If your LBS are difficult to deal with, look elsewhere. Unless you're in a small town with just one shop, which would help explain their recalcitrance.

    Man, I can understand your frustration with the online store, but honestly, it's not that much of a deal. I mean, their communication was frustratingly slow and unreliable, and they fudged your order, but hey, sh!t happens dude. At least they made some attempt to rectify the situation, it's not like they've just run off with your $$$. I wouldn't put incompetence and stupidity in the same league as a straight out scam, they're two different things. Scammers are often quite clever, not like these guys at all.

    If I can offer some advice when it comes to online buying, bigger is better; both cheaper and more reliable. Try CRC, Jenson, or Cambria. Also, if you know exactly what you're looking for, eBay is quite a good option. Forget these anonymous, small time online operations, you're just asking for trouble. Anyway, you've learnt your lesson now, so better luck next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenerob View Post
    If you are such good friends with this hack, why don't you get ahold of him and tell him to pull his head out of his ARSE!!!
    LOL! I was thinking the same thing. He can be Jesus Christ for all I care, just send me the $hit that I paid for and answer my emails!

    It only takes one screw up. Blue sky is off my list forever because they messed up a $35 order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenerob View Post
    If you are such good friends with this hack, why don't you get ahold of him and tell him to pull his head out of his ARSE!!!
    How do you know I didn't?!?

    The second I finished my original message I in fact messaged Rick.

    Takes big balls to call a guy a 'hack' in anonymity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrobiker View Post
    How do you know I didn't?!?

    The second I finished my original message I in fact messaged Rick.

    Takes big balls to call a guy a 'hack' in anonymity.
    Are you serious?!? That guy runs the shadiest operation. I ordered something and paid for overnight shipping. 2 weeks later no package. I emailed and called everyday and never heard back. Finally after 2 weeks he responded to my request. He said he would process a refund. He never apologized for his companies' service. Another week passed and still no refund. I had to file a claim with Mastercard to get my money back.

    The guy is a HACK!!!

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    Unfortunately I'm having a bad experience with Rick Morris.
    On September 6, 2011 I bought a SCOTT SCALE FRAMESET with him, however, for 3 months he told me that the SCOTT FACTORY had no frames or had their orders delayed, believing in him, because I always bought parts, thisf left extend until July this year, when asked to return the amount paid, he told me he could not because the system did not allow for this transaction is very old, and leaving me the option to with credit, I try to get other parts but this is not a good deal and to my surprise the email conversations stopped, he just did not answer anymore. I sent several emails and nothing.
    That's when I decided to create another email account not identifying me, this email he responded normally but my old no. I asked him to quote the price of some parts and send it to a friend in Orlando, he said he would do it, but when I spoke that I am the guy from the SCOTT SCALE FRAMESET he stopped responding again.

    Im Brazilian, live in Brazil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Msatri View Post
    Unfortunately I'm having a bad experience with Rick Morris.
    Hey man, this is really unacceptable and illegal. Any legitimate vendor must, by law, provide the goods and services advertised, or at least make a reasonable attempt to do so. In Australia anyway, consumers are protected by law, and if something like this happened to me I would be straight onto the police. This a$$hole has defrauded you, seems pretty obvious.

    I'm sure there is an police task force or government dept. in the US dealing specifically with online fraud. You need to send them an email ASAP. Also, contact your bank, and lodge a formal complaint, it's quite possible they'll reimburse your money and bring charges against, or at least pursue, this Rick Morris pr!ck on you behalf.

    I have to say, you were very foolish to believe someone who kept you waiting for 3 months. In future, always use Paypal for purchasing online. They provide a dispute service and will refund your money should anything go wrong, it's a good insurance policy.

    Good luck.
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    He waited 3 months which puts him into the range where his bank says "go to hell" 90 days is the magic number there or at least was when I was working for a bank.

    Like 8 years ago my parents tried buying a truck bed liner...got the wrong one and by the time the dust settled and the vendor stopped responding it had been 90 days and they still had the wrong item. Too late to issue a chargeback from the credit card side and the police said "file a small claims case, but you'll have to do it in Cali since that's where they are based" Which would have cost more in travel than the item cost.

    Basically never let an outstanding charge stand for longer than 90days on something you have issues with.

    This store is apparently a complete scam or at least a pathetically poorly run business and I'm shocked someone would stand up for the guy in this thread frankly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrobiker View Post
    How do you know I didn't?!?

    The second I finished my original message I in fact messaged Rick.

    Takes big balls to call a guy a 'hack' in anonymity.
    If you really are a friend of this guy you should really strongly encourage him to get his **** in order.

    I can promise you I'd never order parts from his site after what has been posted in this thread. It isn't isolated incidents, it looks to be a pattern of completely shady.

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    Hi m0ngy, I always use paypal, but we had 45 days to open a dispute service. And until this happen I bought other frames, parts and accessories with him, what I think its strange is the fact that after one year he desappear, but he is a normal seller for others, include my self but with a different email account hes respond normally, but after I said who I am, hes stop to respond my emails.

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    I ordered a few things from them because I was drawn to them by their low prices. While I did get my parts, it took a month to the date before they shipped. They were SUPER slow to respond to emails, and NEVER answered the phones. That being said I would never do business with them ever again, I would rather pay a little more and get the items ordered promptly while being kept in the loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Msatri View Post
    Hi m0ngy, I always use paypal, but we had 45 days to open a dispute service. And until this happen I bought other frames, parts and accessories with him, what I think its strange is the fact that after one year he desappear, but he is a normal seller for others, include my self but with a different email account hes respond normally, but after I said who I am, hes stop to respond my emails.
    That isn't strange. That's called "scamming". He has your money, you have no way to get it back and you're an "annoying customer", so he just ignores your emails. He has no intention to fulfill your order and probably is just filtering your email into the trash automatically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidjaidan View Post
    That isn't strange. That's called "scamming". He has your money, you have no way to get it back and you're an "annoying customer", so he just ignores your emails. He has no intention to fulfill your order and probably is just filtering your email into the trash automatically.
    Hi druidjaidan, unfortunately it is that gonna happen, and I will lost my money. But I will try to contact again.

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    I am surprised at how active this thread is. Looks like many of us have fallen victim to their shady business practices. I want to be sure that folks know what they are getting into before doing business with Sage Cycles / BikePartsExpress.com. This thread seems to be raising awareness and accomplishing that.

    I just left a negative review on their Google business listing and would encourage the rest of you to do the same. On Google Maps, search for "Sage Cycles Ogden Utah".

    -Chris

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    Ouch. Now you tell me. I just ordered $300 worth of rims and tires plus other stuff. Wondering when my order was shipped. Web site looks good. I ordered parts on Thursday nite late (26 Oct 2012), expected them to be mailed out the next day. Didn't hear boo. Sent email on Monday. No response. Followup email today, no response. Tried calling phone but it goes to answering machine and the message says to send an email, sigh.

    These delays caused me to look up others' experiences, stumbled upon this forum thread just now. (oops!)

    Do I wait for them to complete the move to Utah, be patient? Do I attempt to call the owner in Utah? Cancel my order via my credit card company? From what you guys are describing, It doesn't sound like a deliberate scam, more like gross incompetence. (Why would you advertise something when it isn't in stock.. nobody wants backorders??) Its only been a few days for me, but this lack of communication isn't good from any real business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zipzit View Post
    Ouch. Now you tell me. I just ordered $300 worth of rims and tires plus other stuff. Wondering when my order was shipped. Web site looks good. I ordered parts on Thursday nite late (26 Oct 2012), expected them to be mailed out the next day. Didn't hear boo. Sent email on Monday. No response. Followup email today, no response. Tried calling phone but it goes to answering machine and the message says to send an email, sigh.

    These delays caused me to look up others' experiences, stumbled upon this forum thread just now. (oops!)

    Do I wait for them to complete the move to Utah, be patient? Do I attempt to call the owner in Utah? Cancel my order via my credit card company? From what you guys are describing, It doesn't sound like a deliberate scam, more like gross incompetence. (Why would you advertise something when it isn't in stock.. nobody wants backorders??) Its only been a few days for me, but this lack of communication isn't good from any real business.

    --zip
    Has he charged your card? If yes then contact your credit card company and tell them they have failed to respond to any of your attempts to contact them and you have reason to believe they are failing to deliver orders promptly and that you would like to dispute the charge. Make sure that you are clear that you've attempted to call them and email them multiple time over multiple days. Most credit card companies have policies against issuing charge backs if you haven't given the vendor an opportunity to resolve the issue. Unable to contact voids that as long as you've been persistent.

    There is no excuse for him to actually process credit card transactions that he can't fulfill. So if he did, based on this thread I'd assume you're not going to see your product anytime soon so act sooner rather than later. There is no excuse for the behavior some people are describing: stringing people along until it is outside the time frame they can request a charge back and then ignoring them. That's not incompetence.

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    Update. Sometime today (probably around the same time as I was posting here) I received an email reply from the folks at BikePartsExpress.. they did indeed follow up to my latest email. Turns out one of the parts (rims) are out of stock. Frankly, they should probably invest in a coordinated material management system that tells the customer up front if something is in stock or not.. That would ease their overhead, and improve customer communications considerably. But a scam its not.

    So yeah, took them 2.5 business days to get back to me.. could be better, yes, but could be a lot worse. Oh, and I may well cancel the entire order.. not sure what to do. (I'm looking for 29er wide rims 35 to 50mm in width.. No go yet on Salsa Gordos.. maybe I can find some Kris Holm 29er Freeride or some Speedway UMA's...somewhere...)

    I'm rating them "okay" at this point.. Frankly I'd prefer to see email response on orders within one business day. Three days = mediocre to okay. Five business days = not responsive to the customer's needs, unless you tell me AT ORDER TIME "Small shop, on vacation back on xxx-yyyy-2015".

    --Zip

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidjaidan View Post

    There is no excuse for him to actually process credit card transactions that he can't fulfill.
    The excuse is that they are probably not in good enough credit standing with the distributors to get the parts without getting money in the bank first. Todays orders pay for the goods they need for yesterday's orders...

    Quote Originally Posted by zipzit View Post
    Frankly, they should probably invest in a coordinated material management system that tells the customer up front if something is in stock or not.. That would ease their overhead, and improve customer communications considerably.
    If they did that they wouldn't be able to offer the bottom feeder pricing that got you to them in the first place. Thats the whole point - they invest nothing in inventory until you pay.

    An example of what you're suggesting is Universalcycles.com. With their 15% off for orders of over $300 you probably would have been fairly close to what the other clowns are charging, and your stuff would most likely ship within a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zipzit View Post
    Update. Sometime today (probably around the same time as I was posting here) I received an email reply from the folks at BikePartsExpress.. they did indeed follow up to my latest email. Turns out one of the parts (rims) are out of stock. Frankly, they should probably invest in a coordinated material management system that tells the customer up front if something is in stock or not.. That would ease their overhead, and improve customer communications considerably. But a scam its not.

    So yeah, took them 2.5 business days to get back to me.. could be better, yes, but could be a lot worse. Oh, and I may well cancel the entire order.. not sure what to do. (I'm looking for 29er wide rims 35 to 50mm in width.. No go yet on Salsa Gordos.. maybe I can find some Kris Holm 29er Freeride or some Speedway UMA's...somewhere...)

    I'm rating them "okay" at this point.. Frankly I'd prefer to see email response on orders within one business day. Three days = mediocre to okay. Five business days = not responsive to the customer's needs, unless you tell me AT ORDER TIME "Small shop, on vacation back on xxx-yyyy-2015".

    --Zip
    The problem is that you would NEVER had known if they were out of stock if you woudl not have tried to contact them. Also, if you cancel your order be prepared to get your credit card company involved to get your money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    The excuse is that they are probably not in good enough credit standing with the distributors to get the parts without getting money in the bank first. Todays orders pay for the goods they need for yesterday's orders...
    Sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenerob View Post
    The problem is that you would NEVER had known if they were out of stock if you woudl not have tried to contact them.
    If you want rock bottom pricing and are willing to wait a bit for things to ship, bikerbob and tree fort bikes are great to deal with. They also don't stock most of the items they have access to, but they are 100% up front about it. And they are very responsive.

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    I sent 5 emails for him (BPX) and nothing happened!!!! If my order was around $100, its ok. But it comes to $2100.

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    LBC (ZIpZit)...

    Got your email. I had placed 2 back-to-back orders with them. The first order was fulfilled, eventually, but took 30+ days from the order date and was sent in multiple shipments (how terribly inefficient and unnecessary). The 2nd order was never fulfilled. I've been pestering them on and off for the past couple months to either ship the items or refund my money but they refuse to get back to me.

    I'll cut my losses. All I care to do at this point is share my ****ty experience and hope word of mouth spreads like wildfire. These guys shouldn't be in business.

    What greenerob said was spot on... We never would have known what was in/out of stock if we didn't contact them. It is clear that they had no intention of reaching out to us with updates.

    Oh and Zip, the contact I had for Rick Morris was (210) 391-5528. I found this number next to the charges on my bank statement.

    Best of luck,
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    I ordered some pedals and grips from them before I saw this thread. I recieved a order confirmation email at the time of order but didn't get anything else for about a week... then I recieved an email with a link to track the shipment, it's been a couple of days and now USPS has finally updated the tracking and I can see that my order has been sent out.
    I saved about 10% over the next best deal online, but seeing the stories from other customers had/has me worried. It seems I'm getting lucky with them this time, but I won't be sure till my parts arrive.
    I meant to do that.

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    Chris Wright Bicycles, you are clearly a competitor to BPX. Why do you keep ordering things from them and then slamming them online. Did they take some your customers away? Why dont you just order the stuff you want from a distributor, as you are a bicycle dealer? The stuff you ordered was clearly delivered. There are tracking numbers to prove. Not sure what your game is, but your motives are crystal clear.
    35,000+Bicycle Parts at BikePartsExpress.com, largest selection of Bike Parts on the web.

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    Rick, nice to see you here, to clear up some of this confusion.

    Policy Quotes From the Bike Express Website:
    It is our top priority to provide an exceptional on-line shopping experience!

    We strive to have all orders processed and shipped out the same or next business day after an order is placed. However, at times, this will take a little longer.Please allow 12 business days to process your order.


    Keeping every item listed on our website in stock at all times is one of our highest priorities. However, due to high demand for some items and varied availability from manufacturers, occasionally an item will need to be backordered. Rest assured, we will actively take steps to fill your backorders as soon as possible, usually within 57 business days. In the unusual circumstance that filling backorders for your order will take longer than 7 business days; available items in your order will ship and when backordered items have been filled, they will be shipped to you immediately, at our expense.


    Orders can be changed any time prior to completion of order processing. Keep in mind, many orders are processed and shipped on the same day the order was placed. If you need to change an order after submitting it on the website, please call the shop during business hours, Monday Friday from 10am 6pm CST and we will make every effort to help you. If your order has already been processed, we will be unable to cancel it or change it. Do not e-mail order changes because it is unlikely we would be able to make your changes in time.


    and from the FAQ portion of the site:
    Are all your items listed on this web site?
    At Bike Parts Express, we stock thousands of items. This site is the most comprehensive list of our product you can find. We do our best to have all of our items listed on the web site.

    Most of the complaints here revolve around communication, or lack thereof.
    --Nobody ever answers the phone at the business.
    --Emails are not responded to in a timely manner, if at all.
    --Customers are not being informed that the material they ordered is not available.
    --The customer is not being informed of the time delays related to back order. Will the part arrive in five days or fifty?
    --The customer is not given an opportunity to either back order a part or cancel that portion of the order at the discovery that an item is not in stock. This is a pretty major deal.
    --It appears that for any credit card order, the entire amount of the transaction is deposited immediately, even before anyone reviews the order to validate if the parts are even available.
    --The inventory control system is nonexistent. Remember the web site states clearly that BikePartsExpress stocks 1000's of items. The web site does NOT tell the customer that they are tied into a network of other suppliers and that often items are not in stock at your facility, etc... The customer has no way of knowing that their money may be tied up for months with no product, etc.
    --For some reason, folks who have responded here indicate a discrepancy with their funds on the part of BikePartsExpress.

    Am I missing something? It would appear that customers who order parts online are not feeling the EXCEPTIONAL ON-LINE SHOPPING EXPERIENCE that is your stated number one, number one, number one priority. EXCEPTIONAL, not better than average, not mediocre, not substandard, not really bad, it says EXCEPTIONAL.

    What's your take on this?

    thanks, zip.

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    I have purchased lots of parts from various sources ranging from large online retailers to eBay to Bikerbob. I'm about to build a bike from the frame up and I will need a bunch of items. Based upon this thread, unless there are some reasonable answers from BPX I would not buy anything from them.

    I truly hope that you can answer the questions zipzit posed. I also would really like to hear an explanation for the issues regarding the problem Msatri has claimed to have with BPX. This seems like even repeat customers have been strung along and taken advantage of.

    Again...I hope that there are legitimate explanations for the issues that folks have detailed in this thread and that Mr. Morris can provide these explanations publicly. This is his opportunity to potentially set the record straight to a large number of potential customers.

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    Well, my take on this is. I have learned years ago that I cannot please every single customer. And every other retailer that does any serious business knows this too. I know that when we have thousands of happy customers that we are also going to have a few unhappy customers. The happy far exceeds the unhappy. I also know that some vocal alleged customers have an axe to grind that is not so easily visible, and I'm OK with that too. They are less than 1% of our customers. It happens to all retailers that are moving a lot of products. We are certainly not perfect, no retailer is. We did have a system outage that caused some orders to get misplaced or delayed, and for that I apologize. Stuff goes out of stock sometimes and that is when most issues occur. All retailers face the same issue. We are all just human, but we are also mountain bikers, so we understand that you want your stuff. So we work hard everyday to get you your stuff and over 99% of the time we get it to you correctly and within a reasonable amount of time. For those that we didn't do well on, send me an email and I will see if we can fix the issue.
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    Rick, thanks for joining the discussion and replying to my most recent e-mail.

    An hour after your message reached my inbox, I received a flurry of spam e-mails. "Thanks for submitting to the Jayde business search engine" "Thank you for registering your business with MagicYellow" etc, etc.

    One of these spam e-mails included the "Submitter's IP Address", and guess where the submitter is located? Orem, Utah.

    Seems to be down the road from your new shop eh, Rick.

    Listen dude, you messed up... admit it. Please send me my parts or issue me a refund. I'll let you decide. I'm sure it's frustrating that a total stranger (me) is calling you out on the web but its 2012... and that's what angry customers do.

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    Er.. Rick. This is a very frustrating situation. A couple of ideas:

    1) Fix what is broken. Place large banner popup on the web site. Stop all new orders immediately. The banner apologies for recent errors / shortfalls in communication / excessive backorders. Stop the process of depositing new orders entire amount until your folks have reviewed the order to ensure parts are on hand. Don't put the website back into operation until you've addressed each and every issue so once again your customers will get that EXCEPTIONAL experience.

    2) Another idea for you. Heck with the customers. Lets get this whole thing behind us. Close down BikePartsExpress.com entirely. Lets create a whole new online bike parts shopper experience. Lets call it DirectBicycleParts.com !! Only this time none of those wishy washy promises to the customer. Gone are the Frequently Asked Questions, gone are written policies that describe our intended behavior. Two day responses to orders? why bother. customer satisfaction. who cares? Backorders with huge delays, let 'er rip. Nothing promised, nothing lost. Yup, DirectBicycleParts.com is sounding pretty good.

    Lets launch that site. ooh... oops... my mistake, that site is already out there. Oops. and hey, isn't that your picture on the phone in the upper right hand corner of the home page? oooh. Better change that. Yup, this DirectBicycleParts.com thing is sounding pretty good.

    Wouldn't be good though if folks found out the two sites were managed by the same folks. Better keep that a secret.

    Rick, don't worry, your secret is safe with me.

    --zip


    Addendum: Seriously Rick,

    You really need to rethink your business model, clean this mess up. Apologize openly and publicly, FIX the things that are wrong and move along. You have to earn the trust of your customers back. I think you have some work in front of you. good luck with it.

    (note: in my case it was never about price.. it was always about parts availability.. I want to know that the parts I need are available NOW, and will get shipped out the next business day. Frankly I didn't even look at the price. Hence my extreme frustration at the whole backorder conversation. I never, ever want a product on backorder.)
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    This thread is very interesting to say the least. In the last year and a half I have built up 2 complete bikes, and am in the process of building up a third as I type. The frames and every component for all 3 of these bikes were purchased online. I did not have one problem with any online vendor that I dealt with. I can't even imagine what you guy's are going through with this person. But....there are hundreds of GREAT vendors out there that won't screw you like this person.Good luck, and hope everything gets worked out.

    Check out some of these sites if you haven't already,

    Cyclesport
    Chain Reaction
    ModernBike
    Bikeman

    I used these sites for many purchases with exceptional results, and they all have very competitive pricing.
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    I guess the moral of this story is to buy via some instrument which allows for consumer protection (credit card, etc.) and monitor your purchase closely to ensure that you don't string it out past the date wherein your protection ends.

    If a company can't ship something out which is supposed to be in stock within a week or two I would be getting a refund from somebody (either the vendor or the credit card company) significantly prior to the protection date provided by my credit card ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenerob View Post
    I also highly recommend Bikebling. I ended up trying them out after Rick tried to bend me over. They are great and there prices are too.
    I purchased my Niner Jet 9 frame and my Intense Spider 29 frame from Kerry at Bike Bling. Top notch bike shop.
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    Here's a great site to check out online sellers....

    Store Ratings & Reviews - ResellerRatings.com - Find Trusted Stores
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    My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****

    Anyone else see the irony here....

    From this c.2006 thread:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/where-best-de...om-202602.html

    Quote Originally Posted by rickm View Post
    any disgusted online shopping customers are welcome to come to my site.

    shameless self promotion...I know.

    I am a little guy, and I value every single customer.

    I am a an ex IT guy that got tired of sitting in the cube, looking out the window, and wishing I was on the trails. I too, was sick of lousy customer service, so I opened my own store, stocked it full of MTB parts and am doing very well so far.

    I am not as big as Performance, but I am adding new stuff everyday. I am up to about 800 items right now and will be over 1000 very soon.

    I am not a catalog site; everything I have posted on my site is actually in stock. I am not an OEM dealer either; everything I stock is brand new in box with warranty.

    I believe in 'Extreme Customer Service"

    Rick
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinboyer View Post
    I purchased my Niner Jet 9 frame and my Intense Spider 29 frame from Kerry at Bike Bling. Top notch bike shop.
    2x on Kerry. Actually the whole crew is top notch.

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    Hmmm.. in my case I definitely see Rick attempting to set things straight. We've exchanged a few emails, and it looks like things are moving in the right direction. Still waiting for final results (merchandise shipped & credit for no stock back into credit card account.) Those things take a few days. --zip.

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    Okay.. I give Rick a thumbs up for me on my transaction. In stock parts shipped and received, and credit returned to credit card company for items not in stock. Emails responded to, tracking info accurate.

    Would I do it again this way? There is no way to know if an online vendor is solid. I think the suggestion to ask a question (either by phone or by email) and wait for response is probably a good practice. I suspect this site as managed in August - October 2012, would not have passed that test.

    I would recommend that Rick rethink his backorder policy, and continue to improve his customer communications. I do see the web site is still up, and there has been no change to the published policies. For example, the policy on order changes:

    If you need to change an order after submitting it on the website, please call the shop during business hours, Monday Friday from 10am 6pm CST.... Do not e-mail order changes because it is unlikely we would be able to make your changes in time.

    ?H (What the heck?) What good is it to call if nobody ever answers the telephone? You should either change the policy, or (hint hint hint) answer the telephone.

    Rick, again good luck with making this thing whole again. Looking forward to the customer focused improvements.

    Thanks,
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    No change

    Judging from my experience, they haven't changed either their policy, or the way they do business. Wish me luck.

    CC

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    Newsflash:

    The contact number (210) 391-5528, listed as a contact phone number on their PayPal account, is no longer in service.

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    Last edited by Crudcake; 11-12-2012 at 06:39 PM. Reason: Wording change

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    CC, we ride on Sunday, so call us on Monday 800-245-3206. The other number was an old number that is no longer in service.
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    Thank you, Rick.

    I attempted to call to call you at this number on November 9th, and again on the 10th, it went to voice mail. I left a message with my contact phone number, order number, and my inquiry about my order. I haven't had a callback.

    I also made the same inquiries through your info@sagecycles and orders@sagecycles e-mail accounts with no responses.

    CC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crudcake View Post
    Thank you, Rick.

    I attempted to call to call you at this number on November 9th, and again on the 10th, it went to voice mail. I left a message with my contact phone number, order number, and my inquiry about my order. I haven't had a callback.

    I also made the same inquiries through your info@sagecycles and orders@sagecycles e-mail accounts with no responses.

    CC

    Apparently, they ride on Fridays and Saturdays too instead of working.
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