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    9% Cali taxes are killing me

    Damn raising sales taxes over 9% here in Cali is killing me. Where are the good websites to buy from outside California?

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    No kidding ruri. I wanted to buy a wheelset from bww but the 9% prevented me.

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    The clowns in Sactown can't seem to figure this out! Pretty damn basic. You want less of something (buying in CA)? Tax it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by campisi
    The clowns in Sactown can't seem to figure this out! Pretty damn basic. You want less of something (buying in CA)? Tax it.
    idiots we elected.


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    9%..... You should consider yourself lucky, here in Canada anything I order from an other country over 100$ gets a 12,8% import tax

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakarina
    9%..... You should consider yourself lucky, here in Canada anything I order from an other country over 100$ gets a 12,8% import tax
    LOL At least you get something for your 12.8% tax; HEALTH CARE!!!!

    We get jack s#@t for our 9% tax; oh homeboy tattoo removal.

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    No kidding

    Quote Originally Posted by campisi
    The clowns in Sactown can't seem to figure this out! Pretty damn basic. You want less of something (buying in CA)? Tax it.
    It's just going to force us to buy from other states or countries. What a bunch of dipsh!ts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veritechy
    It's just going to force us to buy from other states or countries. What a bunch of dipsh!ts.

    Even though Jenson's is less than five miles from my office, I order from Universal. Unless I have to have it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruri
    Damn raising sales taxes over 9% here in Cali is killing me. Where are the good websites to buy from outside California?

    Pfftttttt! You think 9% is bad. Just wait till VAT:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052602909.html

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    Y'all want some real California cheese to go with that real California whine?

    Technically you're supposed to pay that same 9ish percent on out-of-state purchases. It's called "use tax" and there's a line for it on the 540 CA personal income tax form. But no one ever does pay it, and the state hasn't cared up til now. I'd expect that to change real soon.

    Everyone wants government to meet their needs, and no one ever wants to pay for it. It won't be long til people start whining when the roads fall apart from neglect, and the state parks are closed and vandalized and turned into commercial pot farms for the Mexican Mafia, all because some 20 million selfish @$$holes didn't want to pay their share of the state's expenses.

    So enjoy those tax-free blingy parts while you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chucko58
    Y'all want some real California cheese to go with that real California whine?

    Technically you're supposed to pay that same 9ish percent on out-of-state purchases. It's called "use tax" and there's a line for it on the 540 CA personal income tax form. But no one ever does pay it, and the state hasn't cared up til now. I'd expect that to change real soon.

    Everyone wants government to meet their needs, and no one ever wants to pay for it. It won't be long til people start whining when the roads fall apart from neglect, and the state parks are closed and vandalized and turned into commercial pot farms for the Mexican Mafia, all because some 20 million selfish @$$holes didn't want to pay their share of the state's expenses.

    So enjoy those tax-free blingy parts while you can.
    So you're saying out of control spending in Sacramento has nothing to do with The State's budget, or lack thereof?
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    you right there are a lot of selfish a-holes in this country.Most of them are in government.Lower Taxes and your budget mess will be gone.Raise taxes and people will flee and buy from out of state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chucko58
    Y'all want some real California cheese to go with that real California whine?

    Technically you're supposed to pay that same 9ish percent on out-of-state purchases. It's called "use tax" and there's a line for it on the 540 CA personal income tax form. But no one ever does pay it, and the state hasn't cared up til now. I'd expect that to change real soon.

    Everyone wants government to meet their needs, and no one ever wants to pay for it. It won't be long til people start whining when the roads fall apart from neglect, and the state parks are closed and vandalized and turned into commercial pot farms for the Mexican Mafia, all because some 20 million selfish @$$holes didn't want to pay their share of the state's expenses.

    So enjoy those tax-free blingy parts while you can.
    Come on now, don't you know that drivable roads, clean water, a power grid, and everything can be accomplished with minimal taxes? All we need is to borrow more from the Chinese, keep our taxes low because heck they've been now for so long now and we don't know what it costs to run a country, and live life for now and let our grandchildren pay off our loans. All those crazy English, Canadians and Danish with their high socialist taxes and living within their means lifestyles, what a joke!

    Try universalcycles. Or go live in the UK for the year, come back home and be happy we only pay 9% for the lifestyle we borrow for every year.

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    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tentrillion/
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    states need revenue.

    Seems to me that the deal that you can buy from out of state and have it shipped to you but not pay sales tax , but if you buy it in state you pay tax is silly. Great for FedEx and UPS, but its wasting gas and other resources.

    If it were up to me I would do away with sales tax and property tax, and only have income tax. Of coarse that would never fly.

    As much as I love the fact that I don't pay sales tax on most online purchases I think the most reasonable thing they could do is collect sales tax on all purchases, based on your states rate, with that money going to the state of the purchaser. This way you would buy from the company that could get you the item the cheapest including shipping, and the tax wouldn't effect who or where you purchased the item from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texas
    As much as I love the fact that I don't pay sales tax on most online purchases I think the most reasonable thing they could do is collect sales tax on all purchases, based on your states rate, with that money going to the state of the purchaser.
    I think this is coming sooner rather than later.
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    9% tw@

    15% VAT, + 14% import duty +£30 import flat fee,

    rip off Britain at it's best

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    How many of you law breakers, the ones that avoid taxes, are all for big govt?
    Nobody cares...........

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    Breakin' the law! Breakin' the law!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas_martel
    How many of you law breakers, the ones that avoid taxes, are all for big govt?
    I am. But only because I love irony

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    What's wrong,you couldn't fit the current screw balls debt on you chart? He's in the Trillions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by finger51
    I am. But only because I love irony

    notice how the arrow points up during the end of fords reign yet it was going down on the graft?
    im pretty sure obama isnt making it lower either. lol i guess you see what you want to. i mean theres more to the story then that chart.

    btw im neither democrat or republican if your going to bash me.
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    Another it's not so bad reply... I came from Georgia with sales tax and optionals between 4% and 5%, effective income tax around 27%.

    I now live in Germany where I pay 40% income taxes on every Euro I earn, and then I have to pay 19% VAT on everything I buy, including cars which is often capped in the USA. When you combine income tax and then sales tax, it's staggering.

    Better health and social systems? Not really, especially with respect to the health part.

    For you guys in Cali, somebody's gotta pay for the 10,000 plus (whatever) policeman to have to manage Michael Jackson's 'memorial'.

    G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    What's wrong,you couldn't fit the current screw balls debt on you chart? He's in the Trillions!
    Awesome: +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo
    For you guys in Cali, somebody's gotta pay for the 10,000 plus (whatever) policeman to have to manage Michael Jackson's 'memorial'.

    G.

    And in Fremont, where I live (suburban Bay Area, not the wealthier area, either), the starting salary of a firefighter is $76,386. NYC? $36,400. Mind you they still receive 90% of their last salary for their pensions, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo
    ...For you guys in Cali, somebody's gotta pay for the 10,000 plus (whatever) policeman to have to manage Michael Jackson's 'memorial'.

    G.
    haha, don't worry LA has it own 1/2% sales tax on top of the State's to pay for that.

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    I am. But only because I love irony

    Look at the increase in the money supply. I can't wait to pay $5 for a loaf of bread.

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    its funny seeing people try to blame the "clowns" in office..

    so do what with the budget? cut spending? maybe you miss all the HUGE protests whenever anyone even mentions spending cuts.

    ok fine.. raise taxes? you can see the whining about that here in this very thread.

    so everyone wants nothing to be cut and no one wants to pay for it.. but somehow, magically, thats their fault! it couldnt possibly be your fault, or my fault is his fault! its the evil government! they're forcing us to not spend our money yet demand everything.

    why does no one get this? you either pay or you get nothing. if you dont, you have a debt. we wanted everything and didnt want to pay, bam, debt. want out of debt? pay up. the 9% tax is absolutely necessary. its paying for all the crap we bought for free (tip of the iceberg).

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    the problem is that raising taxes does not pay for anything.Tax revenues go up when taxes are cut! The problem is the out of control spending.You take all of that bailout money and cut a check to every tax payer in this country,this economy would sky rocket!

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    you think money doesnt pay for things?

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    Tax revenues go down when you raise taxes,so less money and more spending doesn't pay for a whole lot? Also if the dollar keeps loosing it's value,it won't be worth much at all.

    http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/c...65&primeid=545

    but at least the Feds can get the dumbwaiter fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruri
    LOL At least you get something for your 12.8% tax; HEALTH CARE!!!!

    We get jack s#@t for our 9% tax; oh homeboy tattoo removal.
    But that is JUST the import tax... + more expensive shipping, brokerage fees ect ect.

    We still have the GST and in most provinces a sales tax, this typically adds up to 11% or more. Then add in a 40% income tax rate for that idealistic health care system. The same one that regularly sees 16-24 hour wait times in the emergency rooms. In our "perfect" system paramedics cannot leave a patient at the hospital until they are admitted and under the hospital's care. At times you'll see 12 - 14 paramedic crews lined up in the hallway waiting for a bed to open up. That takes them off the streets and unable to respond.

    The same health care that is prefering LPN Nurses with a 2 year diploma over Registered Nurses with a 4 year degree in order to save $1.50 / hour... How would you like an emerg dept that has to wait for a doctor to see you to give you anything for pain management? Oh that looks like it hurts, have a seat... Patients still get triaged and seen by priority but you get the idea its as good as any politian can manage anything

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    So? Here in Tennessee taxes are 9.25% and have been for some years. But, we dont have income tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    the problem is that raising taxes does not pay for anything.Tax revenues go up when taxes are cut! The problem is the out of control spending.You take all of that bailout money and cut a check to every tax payer in this country,this economy would sky rocket!
    i doubt your 2nd part..as many people would save it..or pay off debt.

    but your first part...is true. it's called the Laffer Curve

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

    high taxes run off producers to low tax areas. this is seen on a state level (see producers leaving NY and CA)...as well as nationally - see production leave the USA

    Keynesian economics don't work. particularly when countries stop loaning you money and buying your debt

    bush was terrible. obama is worse. don't depend on the government people. and don't give up your liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texas
    I think the most reasonable thing they could do is collect sales tax on all purchases, based on your states rate, with that money going to the state of the purchaser. This way you would buy from the company that could get you the item the cheapest including shipping,
    I like the sound of that.
    In New Hampshire we have no sales or income taxes.

    9% sales tax? WOW!

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    So the budget is fixed! Not raising taxes and they're gonna cut spending. Did you hear Bass say that she hopes to be able restore the cut spending cut once the economy picks up again? Some people never learn. Wait till next year's budget battle when they have to cut spending even more. Hey Bass - we don't want that spending to ever come back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by finger51
    I am. But only because I love irony
    My educational background is in economics and that is pretty much the most dishonest graph I have ever come across. Almost every detail except the raw numbers are engineered to influence the viewer. The irony is that you take it at face value while other fair minded people are smart enough to question the legitimacy of what it is trying to imply.

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    Raise taxes on Snacks and tobacco. Why not? Maybe it'll get more people stop shoving Twinkies and Oreos down their holes and get out and exercise more. I smoke on occasion, and I know I shouldn't, but f'me why not raise money on tobacco, maybe my dumb ass will quit all together when I have to pay 8 bucks for a pack. Those taxes at least can go to schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texas
    If it were up to me I would do away with sales tax and property tax, and only have income tax. Of coarse that would never fly.
    Actually it makes a lot more sense to have no income tax and a high sales tax. Poor people don't buy much (or buy inexpensive things) and wouldn't pay much tax at all. Rich people who want expensive things would pay a lot. So it would be up to the individual how much tax they pay (how bad do you want something?), not the pricks in Washington.

    People should have as much incentive to work as possible. Taking away the fruits of their labor and giving it to somebody else doesn't exactly encourage hard work or entrepreneurship.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
    Actually it makes a lot more sense to have no income tax and a high sales tax. Poor people don't buy much (or buy inexpensive things) and wouldn't pay much tax at all. Rich people who want expensive things would pay a lot. So it would be up to the individual how much tax they pay (how bad do you want something?), not the pricks in Washington......
    I haven't had an Econ class in a long long time but the last i heard flat tax, sales tax, user fees (adventure passes, park fees), sin tax, and state run lottos hurt the poor more because they are regressive taxes rather than progressive.

    The top 10% of the rich contribute over 60% of the tax revenue, to tax them less would create a huge gap in revenue. Now if you are in this top 10% I understand why you would repeal the income tax.

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    you must have went to a public school,the fair tax is not regressive.Taxing people less does NOT bring down tax revenues.It's the opposite!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    you must have went to a public school,the fair tax is not regressive.Taxing people less does NOT bring down tax revenues.It's the opposite!
    Yes public university. I am just talking straight income tax and its affect on the poor and middle class, not its affect on the economy.

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    "The FairTax is regressive and shifts the tax burden onto lower and middle income people"

    The truth: The FairTax actually eliminates and reimburses all federal taxes for those below the poverty line. This is accomplished through the universal prebate and by eliminating the highly regressive FICA payroll tax. Today, low and moderate income Americans pay far more in FICA taxes than income taxes. Those spending at twice the poverty level pay a FairTax of only 11.5 percent -- a rate much lower than the income and payroll tax burden they bear today. Meanwhile, the wealthy pay the 23 percent retail sales tax on their retail purchases.

    Under the federal income tax, slow economic growth and recessions have a disproportionately adverse impact on lower-income families. Breadwinners in these families are more likely to lose their jobs, are less likely to have the resources to weather bad economic times, and are more in need of the initial employment opportunities that a dynamic, growing economy provides. Retaining the present tax system makes economic progress needlessly slow and frustrates attempts at upward mobility through hard work and savings, thus harming low-income taxpayers the most.

    In contrast, the FairTax dramatically improves economic growth and wage rates for all, but especially for lower-income families and individuals. In addition to receiving the monthly FairTax prebate, these taxpayers are freed from regressive payroll taxes, the federal income tax, and the compliance burdens associated with each. They pay no more business taxes hidden in the price of goods and services, and used goods are tax free.

    How can the FairTax generate lower net tax rates for everyone and still pay for the same real government expenditures? The answer is two-fold. Firstly, the tax base is dramatically widened by including consumer spending from the underground economy (estimated at $1.5 trillion annually), and by including illegal immigrants, those who escape their fair share today through loopholes and gimmicks. In addition, 40 million foreign tourists a year will become American taxpayers as consumers here. Secondly, not everyone's average net tax burden falls. For households whose major economic resource is accumulated wealth, the FairTax will deliver a net tax hike compared to the current system.

    Consider, for example, your typical billionaire, of which America now has more than 400. These fortunate few are invested primarily in equities on which they pay taxes at a 15 percent rate, whether their income comes in the form of capital gains or dividends. In addition to having the income from their wealth taxed at a low rate, the principal of their wealth is completely untaxed either directly or indirectly. Assuming they and their heirs spend only the income earned on the wealth each year, the tax rate today is 15 percent. In contrast, under the FairTax, the effective tax rate is 23 percent. Hence, the very wealthy will pay more taxes when the FairTax is enacted. In a nutshell, those who spend more will pay more but low, moderate and middle income taxpayers will benefit from the greatest gains in reduced tax liabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratt
    Now if you are in this top 10% I understand why you would repeal the income tax.
    Other end of the spectrum actually, but I want what's right for society, not what benefits me the most personally.

    I could benefit immensely from Obama's socialist programs, but that doesn't make it right or something I can take advantage of with a clean conscience. My vote is not for sale, regardless how high the offer. They're trying to bribe us with our own money (and it's working)...but few understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chucko58
    Y'all want some real California cheese to go with that real California whine?

    Technically you're supposed to pay that same 9ish percent on out-of-state purchases. It's called "use tax" and there's a line for it on the 540 CA personal income tax form. But no one ever does pay it, and the state hasn't cared up til now. I'd expect that to change real soon.

    Everyone wants government to meet their needs, and no one ever wants to pay for it. It won't be long til people start whining when the roads fall apart from neglect, and the state parks are closed and vandalized and turned into commercial pot farms for the Mexican Mafia, all because some 20 million selfish @$$holes didn't want to pay their share of the state's expenses.

    So enjoy those tax-free blingy parts while you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    "The FairTax is regressive and shifts the tax burden onto lower and middle income people"

    The truth: The FairTax actually eliminates and reimburses all federal taxes for those below the poverty line. This is accomplished through the universal prebate and by eliminating the highly regressive FICA payroll tax. Today, low and moderate income Americans pay far more in FICA taxes than income taxes. Those spending at twice the poverty level pay a FairTax of only 11.5 percent -- a rate much lower than the income and payroll tax burden they bear today. Meanwhile, the wealthy pay the 23 percent retail sales tax on their retail purchases.

    Under the federal income tax, slow economic growth and recessions have a disproportionately adverse impact on lower-income families. Breadwinners in these families are more likely to lose their jobs, are less likely to have the resources to weather bad economic times, and are more in need of the initial employment opportunities that a dynamic, growing economy provides. Retaining the present tax system makes economic progress needlessly slow and frustrates attempts at upward mobility through hard work and savings, thus harming low-income taxpayers the most.

    In contrast, the FairTax dramatically improves economic growth and wage rates for all, but especially for lower-income families and individuals. In addition to receiving the monthly FairTax prebate, these taxpayers are freed from regressive payroll taxes, the federal income tax, and the compliance burdens associated with each. They pay no more business taxes hidden in the price of goods and services, and used goods are tax free.

    How can the FairTax generate lower net tax rates for everyone and still pay for the same real government expenditures? The answer is two-fold. Firstly, the tax base is dramatically widened by including consumer spending from the underground economy (estimated at $1.5 trillion annually), and by including illegal immigrants, those who escape their fair share today through loopholes and gimmicks. In addition, 40 million foreign tourists a year will become American taxpayers as consumers here. Secondly, not everyone's average net tax burden falls. For households whose major economic resource is accumulated wealth, the FairTax will deliver a net tax hike compared to the current system.

    Consider, for example, your typical billionaire, of which America now has more than 400. These fortunate few are invested primarily in equities on which they pay taxes at a 15 percent rate, whether their income comes in the form of capital gains or dividends. In addition to having the income from their wealth taxed at a low rate, the principal of their wealth is completely untaxed either directly or indirectly. Assuming they and their heirs spend only the income earned on the wealth each year, the tax rate today is 15 percent. In contrast, under the FairTax, the effective tax rate is 23 percent. Hence, the very wealthy will pay more taxes when the FairTax is enacted. In a nutshell, those who spend more will pay more but low, moderate and middle income taxpayers will benefit from the greatest gains in reduced tax liabilities.
    umm dude.... i said flat tax, nothing about fair tax from me.

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    Cool then we can agree that the Fair Tax is the way to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Cool then we can agree that the Fair Tax is the way to go!
    a 23% sales tax just sounds too Euro vat tax like to me and to me euro = socialism.

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