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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    Laced up some King hubs, dt comp spokes and i23's yesterday. They feel pretty burly. Hoping to get a ride on them today.

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    Any chance you can reveal what spoke lengths you used for your I23 and your CK hubs??

    I thinking I will building a new rear wheel up soon.

    It will be my first jump into wheel building, so I'm ordering extra patients with my spokes..............What could go wrong...............
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    buy the rims and take erd measurements yourself. the rims you receive could be slightly different from the rims he got and that can be enough to throw your build totally out of wack.

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    I'll +1 on that, given weight variations of 26" sized i23 rims found in this thread (450-480 g or so).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    buy the rims and take erd measurements yourself. the rims you receive could be slightly different from the rims he got and that can be enough to throw your build totally out of wack.
    Thanks, I will do that. I guess it's the same old, same old..................your mileage my vary.
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    Wheels came in today. They are tubeless ready but don't I need to add some Stan's rim tape to cover the spoke holes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    Wheels came in today. They are tubeless ready but don't I need to add some Stan's rim tape to cover the spoke holes?
    Yep you'll need some yellow tape and sealant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    Wheels came in today. They are tubeless ready but don't I need to add some Stan's rim tape to cover the spoke holes?
    yes, you need tape. WTB has this WTB TCS Rim Tape > Components > Tires and Tubes > Rim Strips | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop you also need the tubeless valves or did they include them?

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    Thanks...I have a roll of stans tape and sealant already. I need to pick up some valves tomorrow.

    One more question. You only need to put the tape around the rim once?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    Thanks...I have a roll of stans tape and sealant already. I need to pick up some valves tomorrow.

    One more question. You only need to put the tape around the rim once?
    yes. I don't know what wheels you ended up going with but i know wtb makes tape rolls specific to the width of their rims but as long as the spoke holes are covered I don't see why it would really matter.

    What tires are you going with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    What tires are you going with?
    Geax TNT Seguaro
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    Geax TNT Seguaro
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    Nice, I'm a newbie to mtb and I got a deal on Geax Mezcal tnt and they mounted up super easy with a pump. They have very little tread and it's winter here in NY so I just got a set of geax sturdys which also mounted up easy with a pump. The mezcals were a very fast rolling tire. Couldn't find much info on them. They probbly didn't sell very well hence me getting them for less than $30 a tire which is unheard of for a tubeless ready tire. Vittoria makes great road bike tires which is why I decided to go with the GEAX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    I used 259mm for front disk side and 260mm for the rest of the spokes. That was what I calculated using 537 erd and the dt swiss spoke calculator. Length was perfect. After the wheels were tensioned almost all the spoke threads came to the bottom of the nipple driver slot or whith in a thread. My hubs are dt swiss 240 12x142 rear and a 20mm thru axle OS 240 in the front. They were easier to build and true compared to the flows I built last year.
    Thanks for the reply.

    One more question I can't seem to find the answer to. Is there any special way to lace them since they are "4D" drilled? It appears it is just that you use the left side holes in the rim for left side of hub. But I wasn't sure if it is more specific than that. As in each hole specifically for one of the 4 positions on each side.

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    Yes, it is more specific, in that they are drilled for 3 cross lacing with a typical sized hub (say, 38-62 mm hole circle diameter flanges).

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    Finally got these out on the trails.

    My initial impressions is I like them. There are a couple hundred grams lighter than what I had and the hubs are noticeably better than what I had.

    Couple of things I didn't like was the stickers and the paint scratches easily. I liked part of the stickers but some of it seemed like an advertisement and I didn't care to see all of the features of the wheel on the sticker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    Couple of things I didn't like was the stickers and the paint scratches easily. I liked part of the stickers but some of it seemed like an advertisement and I didn't care to see all of the features of the wheel on the sticker.
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    Agreed, unfortunately it seems to be how all hoops and tires are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    Couple of things I didn't like was the stickers and the paint scratches easily. I liked part of the stickers but some of it seemed like an advertisement and I didn't care to see all of the features of the wheel on the sticker.
    Agreed, unfortunately it seems to be how all hoops and tires are now.

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    Did not post it here when I got them - the pair I had weighted in at 448 and 488g, with stickers. That seems a bit on the high side of variations. Heavier goes in the back wheel, so it is good.

    What weights did you get?

    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho View Post
    I'll +1 on that, given weight variations of 26" sized i23 rims found in this thread (450-480 g or so).

    For 40g difference, thickness of the rims, measured with digital calipers, was within 0.05mm between those two.

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    [QUOTE=Axe;10191731]Did not post it here when I got them - the pair I had weighted in at 448 and 488g, with stickers. That seems a bit on the high side of variations. Heavier goes in the back wheel, so it is good.

    What weights did you get?

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    My 26" i23 rims came in at 452g and 453g with the stickers removed.

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    I'm interested in a set of 26" i23 rims, how would standard maxis ardent 2.25 and a 2.5 minion work with these rims if I was to try and set them up tubeless. I had read they work better with tubeless ready tires. Would flow ex be a better option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyninja View Post
    I'm interested in a set of 26" i23 rims, how would standard maxis ardent 2.25 and a 2.5 minion work with these rims if I was to try and set them up tubeless. I had read they work better with tubeless ready tires. Would flow ex be a better option?
    2.25 would be fine on an i23. I think if you want to run big daddy's like the 2.5 Minion you would be better off with a FlowEX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    2.25 would be fine on an i23. I think if you want to run big daddy's like the 2.5 Minion you would be better off with a FlowEX.
    Why do you think that that tiny, non-standard bead on EX will be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Why do you think that that tiny, non-standard bead on EX will be better?
    Was actually just considering the width of the rim itself. My FlowEX's give my wider tires (only 2.35) a better profile than my i23's did.
    I'd imagine that 2.5 beast like the Minion would only benefit that much more.

    Also, I've never had an issue with Maxxis tires on Stan's hoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    Was actually just considering the width of the rim itself. My FlowEX's give my wider tires (only 2.35) a better profile than my i23's did.
    I can't get around trusting a bead that is half the size that the tire was designed to use. Obviously, YMMV. Do not know about Maxxis.

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I can't get around trusting a bead that is half the size that the tire was designed to use. Obviously, YMMV. Do not know about Maxxis.
    I agree. The tires are design for use with hook bead rims. The Notubes rims have little hook and the inner sidewall height is lower than the height of the tire bead.
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    So if I go for new rims I need new tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyninja View Post
    So if I go for new rims I need new tires?
    Your question is unclear. The WTB Frequency rims are designed for tubeless use only with tubeless/UST/tubeless ready tires.

    I do not recommend using any standard tire and/or rim without an inner tube.
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    I do not recommend using any standard tire and/or rim without an inner tube.[/QUOTE]


    That's the info I was looking for. Thanks

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    I've been running a standard tire tubeless on mine with no issues.


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    I've heard from WTB that they have made a few continued refinements to the Frequency rims that are presently shipping:
    1. They are now using the WT69 alloy also used in their Stryker rims (no more Series 7000 aluminum alloy), which makes the rims stiffer and about 5% lighter in weight.
    2. They have also changed the inside spoke nipple hole chamfering geometry, so it more closely supports the nipple and leaves more material in the nipple seat, which should further increase durability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4slomo View Post
    leaves more material in the nipple seat, which should further increase durability.
    Thanks WTB!
    Did you hear about any failures from spokes pulling through?

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    I've only heard of one failure, which appeared to be due to someone grossly overtensioning a spoke, probably due to inexperience. I continue to be greatly impressed by these rims.
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    4slomo, that's great info.



    Due to directional drilling (excellent feature), it's really easy to overtension spokes on Frequency rims if one has no idea how 1200 N feels with the spokes he's using and no way of measuring tension.

    I keep recommending those rims on local forums with phrases like "I'd build with them a wheelset for myself".

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    Whaaaa! I'm having early adopter syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphic View Post
    Whaaaa! I'm having early adopter syndrome.
    Me too. Bought older version on sale, now will be riding thinking they are not light and strong enough.

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    But now you have an excuse to ride the hell out of them )

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho View Post
    But now you have an excuse to ride the hell out of them )
    I actually found the stickers I took of the rims, and it says "WT69". So I guess I got newer ones. Still bummed at such a large weight difference, does not sound right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I actually found the stickers I took of the rims, and it says "WT69". So I guess I got newer ones. Still bummed at such a large weight difference, does not sound right.
    When did you buy your rims? I bought mine last month so maybe I have newer ones to? I removed the stickers so now I have no way of knowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    When did you buy your rims? I bought mine last month so maybe I have newer ones to? I removed the stickers so now I have no way of knowing.
    Treefort, few weeks back, they price matched. WTB website still lists them as 7000 alloy - but the sticker clearly states WT69 - extra icon, not like on picture on web site.

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    I'm having a heck of a time trying to seat my i23 s ti a set of nano tcs tires, sealant, 28 mm rim tape wtb valves, everything WTB. New to tubeless also, any tricks or tips? Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating? Oh this is for a29er setup too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating?
    A high volume track pump would suit better.. a compressor, much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    I'm having a heck of a time trying to seat my i23 s ti a set of nano tcs tires, sealant, 28 mm rim tape wtb valves, everything WTB. New to tubeless also, any tricks or tips? Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating? Oh this is for a29er setup too.
    Have you tried soap and water?

    Air compressor will definitely help.

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    I am using a high volume pump, and I have not tried the soap and water since WTB markets it as a mount and pump tire. I have an air compressor coming tomorrow so I'm give that a shot. Any excuse to by new tools for the garage is fine with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    I'm having a heck of a time trying to seat my i23 s ti a set of nano tcs tires, sealant, 28 mm rim tape wtb valves, everything WTB. New to tubeless also, any tricks or tips? Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating? Oh this is for a29er setup too.
    That seems odd. What do you have for the rim strip and valve?

    Be gentle with the compressor. Easy to over inflated and blow it off, though I expect it will not be as sensitive as regular tire bead on Stan's hooks.

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    WTB (aka Stan's) 28mm rim tape, and WTB Valves. Everything WTB and it won't seat with my high volume pump. Even when I remove the presta core. I've followed everything to WTBs specs, still no dice.

    I just want to get enough air pressure with the compressor to inflate and I'll do the rest by hand.

    Thanks for the tip.

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    What a pain in the ass this tubeless process was. Used the air compressor, no go! So WTB's claim of seating it with a floor pump, is just that, a marketing claim. I'm sure it worked for some but not on my 29er wheels. Not bashing WTB, but I should've of know that marketing is marketing.

    To get it to work, I had to put in a tube, seat the tires, take out the tube so that one side is seated and then pumped it up with the air compressor and it finally worked. Not immediately, but after a few tries. Once seated, I deflated, took out the air core, and added Stan's via syringe, and re-pump.

    After the wheel set, unplanned TCS tires, rim tape, valves, misc. tubeless stuff, and air compressor, my tubeless curiosity set me back an close or over $1K. Sheesh...

    Hope it's worth it. I've yet to have a flat with tubes and tire liner, I know it's more weight but I'm not a gram counter and snake bites are very RARE with my low tire pressures.

    At least I got an air compressor?

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    Must be the tires. My geax tires seated right up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    At least I got an air compressor?
    And 2 nice wheels that you can still ride with tubes if you abandon the tubeless way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    So WTB's claim of seating it with a floor pump, is just that, a marketing claim.
    I can seat Hans Dampfs and Nobby Nic with a compact pump. Just as I could seat them on Shimano's UST rims. Did not try Geax, but I think it will be the same result. I also use CaffeLatex instead on Stan's (now their new formula). For some reason it seems easier to do the initial seal

    Did you install rim strip with enough tension? You need to really pull on it, so it goes over the ramp very tightly.

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    You're right about the wheel set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    I'm having a heck of a time trying to seat my i23 s ti a set of nano tcs tires, sealant, 28 mm rim tape wtb valves, everything WTB. New to tubeless also, any tricks or tips? Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating? Oh this is for a29er setup too.
    A high volume pump from top peak (i think they call it mountain or something)
    Also, take the valve core out of the stem, pump it up and let it seat. Wait a minute, then let the air back out (slowly). Replace the core and pump to desire pressure.
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