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    Quote Originally Posted by fermenter View Post
    Arrrgh I was hoping for something wider and stronger than the I23. I'll be happy to try a build onto I25's this coming winter. I 23's have a thin sidewall to the bead, at least for me. Otherwise I love them.
    Cheers!
    Here's a link to a weird presentation I found giving some info by searching for I25.


    Presentation by Kevin Lai on Prezi

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    Just a minor reminder that the Pacenti rims do not have the little inner lip that prevents the bead from falling into the center channel.

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    The presentation seems to show the new XC ST i19 rims won't have the I-beam, and the AM Frequency i23 and i25 rims will have the I-beam. No mention of the KOM rims in this presentation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    Here's a link to a weird presentation I found giving some info by searching for I25.


    Presentation by Kevin Lai on Prezi

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    Hi I have asked this before and got 2 different answers but will I be able to mount a 2.25 exo ardent tire to the i23 rim, it is not a specific tubeless ready tire. If not what tires work well with these rims for am riding. I live in Scotland so it's wet a lot not really dry dusty trails. I normally use high roller/ adrent combo all year so something like that would be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyninja View Post
    Hi I have asked this before and got 2 different answers but will I be able to mount a 2.25 exo ardent tire to the i23 rim, it is not a specific tubeless ready tire.
    It will readily mount and is rated to work as intended with a tube. For tubeless, the LUST/UST version of this tire is rated to work correctly with the i23 since it is a UST spec rim.

    If you want to use the EXO version tubeless, then who knows. It'll likely air up OK but you will have a higher likelihood of tire burps or rolling the tire off the rim.

    Assuming you want tubeless, I'd look at any tire that is rated "Tubeless Ready" or UST. For example:
    - UST/LUST versions of the Ardent
    - TR (aka tubeless ready) versions of the Highroller II
    - Schwalbe Nobby nic or Hans Dempf "TL Ready" with Snakeskin
    - Specialized "2Bliss" tires w/Control (Purgatory, Butcher)

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    And other tubeless tire nomenclature (I have used these on i23s with Stan's liquid with success):

    Bontrager's TLR
    WTB's TCS (tubeless compatible system)
    Geax's TNT (tube/no-tube)

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    What carnut said. I have had excellent results with Specialized 2bliss tyres on my i23s.

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    Thanks for the suggestions will look at specialzed

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    I just mounted a tire on my Frequency i23 for the first time.

    WTB rim tape and valve. Bonty TLR tire (previously used). No sealant. Dry (no soapy water).

    Mounted on rim easily.
    Inflated with a floor pump with normal effort (not super fast or hard).
    Immediately captured air and the bead seated at 10-15psi. Have air leaking around the valve. Not sure if it is the valve or my tape job.
    Update: a bit of sealant and the valve stopped leaking. Not fond of these rubber cone base valves.
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    It looks like they've dropped the inner bead retainer on the i25


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    I have just received a pair of i23 26" 2013 from CRC, both WT69 alloy.
    Bad news: they are around 490g each!
    So the alloy change doesn't mean they are lighter. I guess it's the extrusion process variation that play here.
    I found out also that the holes are very unclean inside. Not very good for the nipple seating if not cleaned before lacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumby. View Post
    It looks like they've dropped the inner bead retainer on the i25

    I think it is still there. Just hard to see from the lighting in the pic.
    Can't a guy get bombed and call his ex at 3 in the morning without it meaning something?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by djr8505 View Post
    I think it is still there. Just hard to see from the lighting in the pic.
    ...and there is likely a big bur from slicing.

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    Shiggy, for the rubber cone valve I just cut a piece of inner tube into a little square and cut a slit in it then slid it over the valve stem and then trimmed it to a circle around the cone. I then tightened the valve tighter into the rim and it won't pull through and seals better by filling in any voids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    I just mounted a tire on my Frequency i23 for the first time.

    WTB rim tape and valve. Bonty TLR tire (previously used). No sealant. Dry (no soapy water).

    Mounted on rim easily.
    Inflated with a floor pump with normal effort (not super fast or hard).
    Immediately captured air and the bead seated at 10-15psi. Have air leaking around the valve. Not sure if it is the valve or my tape job.
    Update: a bit of sealant and the valve stopped leaking. Not fond of these rubber cone base valves.
    I just put a Hans Damph on mine with 28mm tape and Stans stem. The tire went on a little too easy. I'm used to Mavic UST rims. However, it aired up with my floor pump and locked in at 20 psi.

    I rode the set up 2 hrs later and it was solid all day. I was a little concerned with how easy the tire went on and it might burp on the trail. I had no burping, farting, or puking from my newly mounted tire.
    Lead by my Lefty............... right down the trail, no brakes.

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    The Damph is a pretty awesome tire. I'm running them front and rear on i23s at about 25 pounds and they have been rock solid. I continue to be impressed with the performance and longevity of this tire.

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    So, I guess I should answer the OP question for way back.

    Is the I23 an alterative for the Flow rim???

    I give it a resounding yes. I'd even say it's an upgrade as it has a real locking UST type bead and can take high spoke tensions.
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    And it has the extra vertical wall for more strength. And weighs about the same. And the directional drilling feels so great to build with. And they are much cheaper, at the expense of quality however (but ZTR are hard to even approach in quality).

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    So, I guess I should answer the OP question for way back.

    Is the I23 an alterative for the Flow rim???

    I give it a resounding yes. I'd even say it's an upgrade as it has a real locking UST type bead and can take high spoke tensions.
    The i23 is a valid option for tubeless rims.

    The other brand mentioned is not an option for me, with or without tubes, because of the non-standard design.
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    Does anyone know when the i25 is gonna be released? Is this rim equal to a flow ex as the i23 is like a flow? I'm looking to build up some new tubeless wheels for my banshee spitfire v2, I am new to tubeless so fancy giving it a try, I use this bike for everything expect full on dh I have a big bike for that, so the wheels need to stand up to a fair bit of abuse, I weigh 80kg and regularly hit jumps and drops.

    So i23 or i25?

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    Until I hear differently, I don't expect to see the new rims before Fall 2013. My understanding is that the rims are not intended for significant jumping, more for riding with your tires on the ground.

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    The last I heard from WTB was them telling me that they anticipate the new rims to arrive Fall 2013.
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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    Quote Originally Posted by 4slomo View Post
    ...My understanding is that the rims are not intended for significant jumping, more for riding with your tires on the ground.
    WTB has "gravity" as one of the intended uses.
    http://www.wtb.com/products/frequency-team

    Longevity while jumping is more about the rider than the rim.
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    I've heard back from WTB, here's the latest info:

    WTB expects to get the Frequency i25 rim in stock in October/November.

    The new website is/was ahead of itself regarding the i25. Rim intended usage information on the new website is/was a little vague: the i19 is intended for XC, the i23 for AM/enduro, and the i25 for gravity (DH riding/racing, FR, aggressive enduro). The i23 is being used by some as a lighter weight race style DH rim.

    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    WTB has "gravity" as one of the intended uses.
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    Thanks 4slomo! I'm looking forward to the ST TCS I23 and I25.

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    So I have just ordered some i23 rims and am thinking of running them with specialized butcher/purgotory control tires. This is my 1st experience with tubeless, I have ordered some 25 mm stans tape and valves. I have watched the stans video... is it just a case of applying 1 layer of tape with a small overlap and then seating the tires using soapy water and then once they are properly seated I add the sealant as per the video

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