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    So if I go for new rims I need new tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyninja View Post
    So if I go for new rims I need new tires?
    Your question is unclear. The WTB Frequency rims are designed for tubeless use only with tubeless/UST/tubeless ready tires.

    I do not recommend using any standard tire and/or rim without an inner tube.
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    I do not recommend using any standard tire and/or rim without an inner tube.[/QUOTE]


    That's the info I was looking for. Thanks

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    I've been running a standard tire tubeless on mine with no issues.


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    I've heard from WTB that they have made a few continued refinements to the Frequency rims that are presently shipping:
    1. They are now using the WT69 alloy also used in their Stryker rims (no more Series 7000 aluminum alloy), which makes the rims stiffer and about 5% lighter in weight.
    2. They have also changed the inside spoke nipple hole chamfering geometry, so it more closely supports the nipple and leaves more material in the nipple seat, which should further increase durability.
    Thanks WTB!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4slomo View Post
    leaves more material in the nipple seat, which should further increase durability.
    Thanks WTB!
    Did you hear about any failures from spokes pulling through?

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    I've only heard of one failure, which appeared to be due to someone grossly overtensioning a spoke, probably due to inexperience. I continue to be greatly impressed by these rims.
    Hey everybody, ride my wheels! They ride good, real good.
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    4slomo, that's great info.



    Due to directional drilling (excellent feature), it's really easy to overtension spokes on Frequency rims if one has no idea how 1200 N feels with the spokes he's using and no way of measuring tension.

    I keep recommending those rims on local forums with phrases like "I'd build with them a wheelset for myself".

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    Whaaaa! I'm having early adopter syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphic View Post
    Whaaaa! I'm having early adopter syndrome.
    Me too. Bought older version on sale, now will be riding thinking they are not light and strong enough.

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    But now you have an excuse to ride the hell out of them )

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Random Psycho View Post
    But now you have an excuse to ride the hell out of them )
    I actually found the stickers I took of the rims, and it says "WT69". So I guess I got newer ones. Still bummed at such a large weight difference, does not sound right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I actually found the stickers I took of the rims, and it says "WT69". So I guess I got newer ones. Still bummed at such a large weight difference, does not sound right.
    When did you buy your rims? I bought mine last month so maybe I have newer ones to? I removed the stickers so now I have no way of knowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    When did you buy your rims? I bought mine last month so maybe I have newer ones to? I removed the stickers so now I have no way of knowing.
    Treefort, few weeks back, they price matched. WTB website still lists them as 7000 alloy - but the sticker clearly states WT69 - extra icon, not like on picture on web site.

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    I'm having a heck of a time trying to seat my i23 s ti a set of nano tcs tires, sealant, 28 mm rim tape wtb valves, everything WTB. New to tubeless also, any tricks or tips? Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating? Oh this is for a29er setup too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating?
    A high volume track pump would suit better.. a compressor, much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    I'm having a heck of a time trying to seat my i23 s ti a set of nano tcs tires, sealant, 28 mm rim tape wtb valves, everything WTB. New to tubeless also, any tricks or tips? Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating? Oh this is for a29er setup too.
    Have you tried soap and water?

    Air compressor will definitely help.

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    I am using a high volume pump, and I have not tried the soap and water since WTB markets it as a mount and pump tire. I have an air compressor coming tomorrow so I'm give that a shot. Any excuse to by new tools for the garage is fine with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    I'm having a heck of a time trying to seat my i23 s ti a set of nano tcs tires, sealant, 28 mm rim tape wtb valves, everything WTB. New to tubeless also, any tricks or tips? Using a high pressure hand pump, will an air compressor help guarantee a seating? Oh this is for a29er setup too.
    That seems odd. What do you have for the rim strip and valve?

    Be gentle with the compressor. Easy to over inflated and blow it off, though I expect it will not be as sensitive as regular tire bead on Stan's hooks.

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    WTB (aka Stan's) 28mm rim tape, and WTB Valves. Everything WTB and it won't seat with my high volume pump. Even when I remove the presta core. I've followed everything to WTBs specs, still no dice.

    I just want to get enough air pressure with the compressor to inflate and I'll do the rest by hand.

    Thanks for the tip.

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    What a pain in the ass this tubeless process was. Used the air compressor, no go! So WTB's claim of seating it with a floor pump, is just that, a marketing claim. I'm sure it worked for some but not on my 29er wheels. Not bashing WTB, but I should've of know that marketing is marketing.

    To get it to work, I had to put in a tube, seat the tires, take out the tube so that one side is seated and then pumped it up with the air compressor and it finally worked. Not immediately, but after a few tries. Once seated, I deflated, took out the air core, and added Stan's via syringe, and re-pump.

    After the wheel set, unplanned TCS tires, rim tape, valves, misc. tubeless stuff, and air compressor, my tubeless curiosity set me back an close or over $1K. Sheesh...

    Hope it's worth it. I've yet to have a flat with tubes and tire liner, I know it's more weight but I'm not a gram counter and snake bites are very RARE with my low tire pressures.

    At least I got an air compressor?

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    WTB Frequency i23 AM wheelset: alternative to Flow rims

    Must be the tires. My geax tires seated right up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    At least I got an air compressor?
    And 2 nice wheels that you can still ride with tubes if you abandon the tubeless way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VO2 Lax View Post
    So WTB's claim of seating it with a floor pump, is just that, a marketing claim.
    I can seat Hans Dampfs and Nobby Nic with a compact pump. Just as I could seat them on Shimano's UST rims. Did not try Geax, but I think it will be the same result. I also use CaffeLatex instead on Stan's (now their new formula). For some reason it seems easier to do the initial seal

    Did you install rim strip with enough tension? You need to really pull on it, so it goes over the ramp very tightly.

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    You're right about the wheel set.

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