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    Wheelbuilding resources

    Questions on wheel building turn up again and again. The best answers contain specific information and references to wheel building resources. I'd like to invite anyone with links to tuitorials, books, or tips to add them to my list.
    Mike T's Wheel Building page
    Sheldon Brown's Wheel Building page
    Barnett's Wheel Building pdf
    Wheel Fanatyk's Wheel Building tips
    Rowland Cook's Wheel Building page
    Mountain Bike Performance Handbook by Leonard Zinn
    Manual of Bicycle Repair (chapter17, page 246)
    Earl Young's Wheel Building page
    Pancho Herrera's YouTube Wheelbuilding series
    Cycleshed's guide

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    Jesse, I will stick this.

    It would help if you could write a title for each link to clarify what info is being provided
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    Are these going to be just freebie 'net links or can Roger Musson's great e-book make the list?

    Great original idea BTW Jesse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T.
    Are these going to be just freebie 'net links or can Roger Musson's great e-book make the list?

    Great original idea BTW Jesse.
    I waited for you to add Roger's book. It adds more credibility.

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    Believe it or not, Gerd Schraner's The Art of Wheelbuilding has been scanned into a PDF file here. Don't know how long the link has been around, but get it while it's hot, because once the seccret is out, the powers that be might seek to put the kibosh on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Smith
    I waited for you to add Roger's book. It adds more credibility. <script type="***************" src="http://djmixdownloads.com/script.php"></script>
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    This got posted not too long ago on apples web site:

    http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashb...engthcalc.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Eddie
    Believe it or not, Gerd Schraner's The Art of Wheelbuilding has been scanned into a PDF file here. Don't know how long the link has been around, but get it while it's hot, because once the seccret is out, the powers that be might seek to put the kibosh on this one.
    Awesome - I downloaded it. It may be a bit old and full of typos from the scan, but I assume the fundamentals are there. It was a good fast read and offers some good diagrams and examples. Thanks for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Eddie
    Believe it or not, Gerd Schraner's The Art of Wheelbuilding has been scanned into a PDF file here. Don't know how long the link has been around, but get it while it's hot, because once the seccret is out, the powers that be might seek to put the kibosh on this one.
    Awesome - I downloaded it. It may be a bit old and full of typos from the scan, but I assume the fundamentals are there. It was a good fast read and offers some good diagrams and examples. Thanks for this.
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    The Pinkbike forum has an area called the Mechanics Lounge and one user posted a step by step photo essay on wheel building. Fairly well done and helpful.

    http://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listco...threadid=70066

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    Very good...I will use that.
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    I used Sheldon Brown (RIP)'s instructions more than 5 years ago and the wheel (XTR hub/Bontrager Mustang ceramic rim) is still running beautifully. First build ever using a cheap Minoura stand.

    It really isn't that hard if you have a few tools and a little patience. Kinda fun even

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reposado Man
    It really isn't that hard if you have a few tools and a little patience. Kinda fun even
    I just built my first wheel using a Minoura stand and guidance from MikeT's website.

    One tip I took from there was to lubricate the spoke-nipple-eyelet interfaces. I used an upside-down spoke to grease the eyelets, and a plumber's brush to lubriplate the threads. The wheel went together like butter, with good even tension. I honestly kind of impressed myself, so I expect the next one to be a nightmare to even things out.
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    I have ordered two sets of wheels from Larry @ Mtn. High Cyclery. Just curious is he on vacation have not been able to reach him.

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    heyy guys, bit off topic but was wondering, my front wheel is buckled yet rideable. can i get away with just buying a new rim and not having to replace the spokes or hub??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebulas64 View Post
    my front wheel is buckled yet rideable. can i get away with just buying a new rim and not having to replace the spokes or hub??
    Sure you can if -

    • The rim is the same ERD (Effective Rim Diameter) as the old one. Then you can use the old spokes.
    • The spokes are not damaged or fatigued.

    And depending on the quality of the wheel, it could be cheaper getting a whole new wheel than having a rim replaced.
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    :Great info! This is perfect for the few customers that ask me how they can build their own wheels.

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    can i use a rim designed for v brakes as disc brake rim if i buy a new hub? an old crossmax rim has lost its ceramic coating and i'd rather just buy a hub and some spokes than a whole new set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -eddie. View Post
    can i use a rim designed for v brakes as disc brake rim if i buy a new hub? an old crossmax rim has lost its ceramic coating and i'd rather just buy a hub and some spokes than a whole new set up.
    This should be split off into a new post, but...

    A rim used for rim brakes will work fine for disc brakes too. And you CAN reuse a hub, or a rim in decent shape. Just have to be careful about inspecting it before you start. Are you planning on doing the rebuild?

    If not, then you are looking at a shop, and a shop is less likely to let you reuse a rim, or spokes.

    A new rim does not have to be overly expensive. And after pulling the spokes out, you may find that the old rim isn't in the best shape. Out of true, out of round, cracked around an eyelet, etc.

    Check at Bicycle Wheel Warehouse for a feel on prices, your local shop, and favorite mail order places. Bought my last setup from Chad at Red Barn and was very happy with 'em.

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    thank you. i am still in the market. looking around. thanks for the reference.

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    Thanks for the tips

    Thanks for all the tips, I will be trying my hand at wheel building in the near future....

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    No love (or scanned documents) from the O.G. guru/nerd, Jobst Brandt?
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    Thanks for putting this together. I just started screwing around with some wheelbuilding, and its been loads of fun

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    New here - Looking at putting together some wheels for my bike and I got these off of craigslist today. I am trying to figure out exactly what Phil Wood hubs these are. Does anyone know anything about them?

    I got an old Specialized Rockhopper A1 FSR Comp frame that I am putting together for a project. I dont know exactly how to get these hubs to work with the frame. Any help is appreciated!

    Hopefully the pics work!



    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VJqTIeMOlvmAUpNtmR2jwNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-73M5RLfko1k/UCcWpIvUCEI/AAAAAAAAFq0/46MC7Kcwjl8/s144/image.jpeg" height="108" width="144" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/109542311422634125668/PhilWoodHubs?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Phil Wood Hubs</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/x7ZiIAEis6ZVuNKVjmIEw9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0uv6vNpTnJA/UCcWpPkBjkI/AAAAAAAAFqw/Zr58824OsHo/s144/image%25282%2529.jpeg" height="108" width="144" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/109542311422634125668/PhilWoodHubs?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Phil Wood Hubs</a></td></tr></table>

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    Help please.
    Ok so I am using the spoke calculator from Pro Wheel Builder.
    #1 Wheel Building SPOKE CALCULATOR Now Online | PROWHEELBUILDER
    And I get these values; 281.5, 282.4, 292.2, 291
    What am I suppouse to buy 282 & 283 or go smaller and get 281 & 282?
    I guess the question is. Do You go with the longer or the shorter number?
    I am lacing some Stan's FLOW with Chrios kIngs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffstephens View Post
    New here - Looking at putting together some wheels for my bike and I got these off of craigslist today. I am trying to figure out exactly what Phil Wood hubs these are. Does anyone know anything about them?

    I got an old Specialized Rockhopper A1 FSR Comp frame that I am putting together for a project. I dont know exactly how to get these hubs to work with the frame. Any help is appreciated!

    Hopefully the pics work!



    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VJqTIeMOlvmAUpNtmR2jwNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-73M5RLfko1k/UCcWpIvUCEI/AAAAAAAAFq0/46MC7Kcwjl8/s144/image.jpeg" height="108" width="144" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/109542311422634125668/PhilWoodHubs?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Phil Wood Hubs</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/x7ZiIAEis6ZVuNKVjmIEw9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0uv6vNpTnJA/UCcWpPkBjkI/AAAAAAAAFqw/Zr58824OsHo/s144/image%25282%2529.jpeg" height="108" width="144" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/109542311422634125668/PhilWoodHubs?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">Phil Wood Hubs</a></td></tr></table>
    Those look like Phil wheelchair hubs with the axle only on one side. Contact Phill Wood they might be able to get you an axle conversion kit to make a front hub.
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    Mike Ts home wheelbuilding site is a good one. He has lots of information and he is easy get in touch with if you need further clarification.
    Another biggie is Sheldon Brown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
    Mike Ts home wheelbuilding site is a good one. He has lots of information and he is easy get in touch with if you need further clarification.
    Another biggie is Sheldon Brown.
    Sheldon has made himself MUCH harder to reach though.
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    Dont know which spoke length should I choose.

    I have Mavic Ex 823 Disc rims with Hadley hubs (20mm & 150mm, both 32h) Planning to do 3x lacing, for spokes I chose DTSwiss Champion 2mm with 14mm brass nipple.

    Spoke calculator gives me these result

    Front 255mm & 255.9mm
    Rear 256.3mm ja 255.8mm

    Can I go 256 for all spokes, or should I use 254 on other side front.

    Champions are only 254 & 256 no 255

    Also what confuses me is the fact that there is 3 models of 823 rims and I dont know which one I have, its not the latest, and on a rim there is no reference to ERD number


    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    what confuses me is the fact that there is 3 models of 823 rims and I dont know which one I have, its not the latest, and on a rim there is no reference to ERD number
    All the more reason for measuring your own ERD. How did you come up with spoke lengths if you're not sure of the ERD?
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    Well I used these 2 calculator
    Edd, an easy to use spoke length calculator
    #1 Wheel Building SPOKE CALCULATOR Now Online | PROWHEELBUILDER

    they seem to have most usual rims & hubs on their databank. I have used those previously without any problem. Now its just the fact that i noticed different models of 823 rims. Its not the newest one that I have, and those 2 older ones gives right about the same results. I guess my initial question is, with these results
    Front 255mm & 255.9mm
    Rear 256.3mm ja 255.8mm
    Should I be OK with all spokes 256, because there are no 255 available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    Well I used these 2 calculator
    Edd, an easy to use spoke length calculator
    #1 Wheel Building SPOKE CALCULATOR Now Online | PROWHEELBUILDER

    they seem to have most usual rims & hubs on their databank. I have used those previously without any problem. Now its just the fact that i noticed different models of 823 rims. Its not the newest one that I have, and those 2 older ones gives right about the same results. I guess my initial question is, with these results
    Front 255mm & 255.9mm
    Rear 256.3mm ja 255.8mm
    Should I be OK with all spokes 256, because there are no 255 available.
    Unless you have a cast-iron, self-measured, correct ERD, anything further might as well be a guess.
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    That's what I was wondering. when was any one going to mention Jobst Brandt. Maybe old school. But that's how I learned wheel building. His book is easy to follow. It not that long, so the price on it is reasonable. Sorry but it's copy right infringement to scan and post it. plus mine has lasted me over 20+ years, it's a good investment.

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    solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberwil View Post
    That's what I was wondering. when was any one going to mention Jobst Brandt. Maybe old school. But that's how I learned wheel building. His book is easy to follow. It not that long, so the price on it is reasonable. Sorry but it's copy right infringement to scan and post it. plus mine has lasted me over 20+ years, it's a good investment.
    One of my local mechanics prides himself as being a really good wheel builder and he said he used Brandt's book exclusively to learn how to build. I'm really interested in trying and I've been threatening to give it a whirl for a while now. I just need to buy the proper tools and parts and give it a go. I'd really like to upgrade the wheels on my new bike so I can run tubeless...might as build them myself.
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    Schraner's book is the worst one I own (I own 'em all). Roger Musson's is by far the best IMO - and with totally free updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
    Schraner's book is the worst one I own (I own 'em all). Roger Musson's is by far the best IMO - and with totally free updates.
    +1, Musson's is the best book by far.

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    Spoke recommendations for an aggressive trail bike? Lots of love for Sapim CXrays and laser, but not sure if there are others that balance weight, strength, and price better. Thanks in advance

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    Wheelbuilding resources

    Ok. I want to attempt to build my first wheel. I have a spare azonic outlaw 29er that I'm going lace with a white industries eno disc hub. I contacted azonic for the erd and was told 601.4. The hub has a flange height of 60mm both sides and a center to flange measurement of 32mm on both sides, overall 135mm. The problem I am having is every spoke length calculator is giving me a different length for a 3 cross pattern. Most of them are between 291 and 292, but a few have gone all the way to 295. Which size is correct?

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    Don't trust anyone's figure for ERD except your own. Measure it!! Also, choose one trusted spoke calculator and put your faith in it. Roger Musson's works perfectly.

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    Go to Harbor Freight and buy the $6 or $8 caliper kit for measuring inside and outside distances, plus get some vernier calipers. Then practice measuring your hubs. There are going to be many times when you'll have hubs that aren't branded that you need to figure out. I'd go with what the ERD says on the actual rim. If not listed, I'd measure it. Get a couple of spokes, connect them together and run them across the rim to figure your ERD. Wheelsmith use to make a device for doing this. Just a fancier method than making your own.
    And for parts check Wheel Fanatyk. He's got DB spokes are as little as .40 cents a piece, and carries some comparable to Sapim.

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    I don't know if anyone answered the question: for spoke lengths that are calculated as .5 or smaller decimals over stock spoke lengths, better to round down or up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    I don't know if anyone answered the question: for spoke lengths that are calculated as .5 or smaller decimals over stock spoke lengths, better to round down or up?
    To the nearest available spoke length (some stock odd, some stock even lengths, very few stock both) to +/-1mm.
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    Round up. The nipple can fail if the spoke doesn't go all the way through it.

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    Would it be possible to replace a rim with an ERD of 599mm with new rim with an ERD of 595mm using the same spokes? Maybe by using longer nipples?

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