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    Wheel builders - Spokes and pattern for an IGH heavy touring/bikepacking build?

    I'm building up a Surly Ogre as an all-around utility, heavy touring, and bikepacking rig. I will be using an Alfine 8 rear hub (32h) and had planned to do a standard 3x pattern with double-butted spokes. Then I read something that a 2x pattern provides a more desirable angle when using an Alfine hub.

    For a wheel that will potentially be loaded down with a 170lb. rider plus gear, should I stay with my plans of going 3x or do spoke-to-rim angles trump that thinking? Spoke lengths are nearly identical for each side of the wheel.

    My ultimate goal is a strong, reliable disc brake wheel for extended loaded trips, some taking me far from easily accessed support. I would appreciate hearing thoughts on the topic!

    Overall setup:

    - Alfine 8 Disc hub
    - Velocity Blunt 35 29er

    As mentioned above, I will be running disc brakes.

    Thanks!
    Ventana El Rey
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    Project - Surly Ogre

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    cant' remember where now, but I remember reading that a 2x on the IGHs give appx the same angles as 3x on a std hub, and that 3x lacing actually reduced the angles by going beyond 90deg, and caused flange interference issues. Maybe on the IGH sub-forum? I'm considering an alfine8 as well, havn't gone beyond lightly checking it out though.
    My bike MCA kinda climbs like a billy-goat. WOO WOO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanq View Post
    I'm building up a Surly Ogre as an all-around utility, heavy touring, and bikepacking rig. I will be using an Alfine 8 rear hub (32h) and had planned to do a standard 3x pattern with double-butted spokes. Then I read something that a 2x pattern provides a more desirable angle when using an Alfine hub.

    For a wheel that will potentially be loaded down with a 170lb. rider plus gear, should I stay with my plans of going 3x or do spoke-to-rim angles trump that thinking? Spoke lengths are nearly identical for each side of the wheel.
    Go to this spoke length calculator and calculate a spoke table. Then hover the mouse pointer over a spoke length and it will give the rim entry angle. 6-7 degrees is considered the maximum.

    www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger-m View Post
    Go to this spoke length calculator and calculate a spoke table. Then hover the mouse pointer over a spoke length and it will give the rim entry angle. 6-7 degrees is considered the maximum.

    www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc
    Thank you for this site! When I plug my info in, a 2x pattern gives 7.1 degrees. A 3x pattern is 8.7 degrees. Based on what I'm finding for "ideal" angles, a 2x pattern would be better for this build.
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    Another somewhat related question - would it be best to lace the front wheel 2x to match the rear or go with the standard 3x?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanq View Post
    Another somewhat related question - would it be best to lace the front wheel 2x to match the rear or go with the standard 3x?
    Lace it however is best for that rim/hub combo.
    My bike MCA kinda climbs like a billy-goat. WOO WOO!

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    Rigida or ryde makes rims for extreme spoke angles used mainly on motorized cycles. These will allow you to use 3 cross which will place less stress on the flange. Andra | Ryde
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