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    Vredestein Black Panther and Bull Lock

    Has anyone used these tires or know real weight etc? They look definately interesting.

    All information is appreciated.

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    The real weight is 685-690g for 2.35 folding one (using Topeak electronic scale).
    They have decent width/volume 55.5mm (slightly wider than Kendas Small Block 8 that I use)
    I haven't tried them yet though. Maybe in few days.

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    My previous post regards Black Panther.

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    I've just ridden a pair of Black Panthers for one week in the Austrian Alps, mounted as tubeless with Eclipse latex. I weighed the 2.1 tires out of the box at 456 gram / each, which is less than labeled on the box : 475g.

    The tires had everything thrown at them : sharp rocks, singletrack, gravel, etc all without a single problem.

    I was very pleased, here are my impressions :

    Strengths :

    - low rolling resistance - better than my Michelin XCR Dry²'s
    - easy installation as UST tire (managed to inflate the tire with a regular footpump)
    - very good mud dissipation (thread doesn't tend fill up with mud like Michelin XCR Dry²'s)
    - big volume, which results in comfort
    - doesn't throw up a lot of rocks thanks to the central line of blocks
    - low wear : almost no wear visible
    - low weight : 456 gram on our electronic kitchen scale (475 gram labeled on the box)

    Weaknesses :

    - doesn't perform very well on gravel : the tire seems to seek direction in turns
    - same when riding through sand or loose dust
    - as both tires need to be mounted in the same direction, not a lot of grip at the rear when breaking

    Conclusiion : very good tire, but requires some technical skills to get everything out of it. If you don't have a lot of experience or are lacking technique, better choose a different tyre.

    I would definitely buy this tire again

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow
    I've just ridden a pair of Black Panthers for one week in the Austrian Alps, mounted as tubeless with Eclipse latex. I weighed the 2.1 tires out of the box at 456 gram / each, which is less than labeled on the box : 475g.

    The tires had everything thrown at them : sharp rocks, singletrack, gravel, etc all without a single problem.

    I was very pleased, here are my impressions :

    Strengths :

    - low rolling resistance - better than my Michelin XCR Dry²'s
    - easy installation as UST tire (managed to inflate the tire with a regular footpump)
    - very good mud dissipation (thread doesn't tend fill up with mud like Michelin XCR Dry²'s)
    - big volume, which results in comfort
    - doesn't throw up a lot of rocks thanks to the central line of blocks
    - low wear : almost no wear visible
    - low weight : 456 gram on our electronic kitchen scale (475 gram labeled on the box)

    Weaknesses :

    - doesn't perform very well on gravel : the tire seems to seek direction in turns
    - same when riding through sand or loose dust
    - as both tires need to be mounted in the same direction, not a lot of grip at the rear when breaking

    Conclusiion : very good tire, but requires some technical skills to get everything out of it. If you don't have a lot of experience or are lacking technique, better choose a different tyre.

    I would definitely buy this tire again
    Both tires do not "have to" be run in the same rotating direction. You can turn them (or any) tire around if you want.

    But in most cases a tire has better braking when used in the "front" direction. I would say the center ridge tread is the real issue, though.
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    Bull Locks

    I actually use the Bull Lock for DH racing in loose conditions. They perform especially well in the loamy stuff. The 2.35' are BIG though. But even these only weigh 694g... I'm keeping them on my "light-duty" DH bike for sure.

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