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    Tubeless Tape Thread

    My Experience with the following tapes and a few questions.

    Stans Yellow tape:
    We all know it's just yellow strapping tape. The problem is the price of it and how much you get. Currently they want 12.00 plus shipping for barely 10yds of it. Strapping tape negatives are if change out tires a lot like i do, eventually the bead grabs the tape and peels it away as you pop the bead off the tire. People swear that Tesa 4289 tape on amazon is the exact same thing.

    3m/scott film Blue Strapping Tape 8896:
    This is the exact tape specialized used to send out with their roval wheelsets. They have since changed. My experience with this tape is that the adhesive sticks decent to alum rims, but ****ty to carbon rims. Also the adhesive seems like it becomes even more crappy as it sits in amazons warehouses or whatever warehouse. When I look at the roll i see gaps where there's space between and you can tell the adhesive is not sticky there. The results of this is a crappy bond to your rim and when you pop the bead off your rim the bead grabs the tape and pulls it off the flat ramp next to the bead wall allowing sealant to leak in when you seal it back up. It does not stick worth a crap to carbon rims either.

    jvcc polypro strapping tape from amazon:
    Great stuff. You need to go around the rim twice because this stuff is about 1/2 thick as the stan strapping tape in thickness, but it works great on alum. rims and is cheap.

    Gorilla tape:
    We know people love this stuff, but there's 2 major complaints I've had about it. 1st is the sticky residue it leaves behind if you ever need to re-tape or sell the rim or work on the rim, etc, etc. It's a mess. You will spend 30min cleaning it with goo gone and scotch pad. It sucks. Then the next issue is with it, is its weight. If you are a enduro / big huck rider then stop reading, but if you race XC and worry about rotational weight it really is heavy. Don't think so? Order the roll from Enve which is the exact amount it takes to do 2x29 wheels. That roll literally weighs 92g. Now think about that. You spend all this time trying to save weight here and there and then you are going to add damn near 100g back to your wheelset. They (Enve) advertise their wheelset at 1410g, but by the time you add their gorilla tape it comes to 1500g.

    Gorilla Clear Repair tape:
    This is hands down my favorite tape, but it has some drawbacks. Lets start with the positive. If you have aluminum rims then this should be your goto stuff. IT's really weird.. It's like it's vinyl with the most sticky adhesive I've ever felt. Like pretty much if you are going to use it, plan on it being basically permanent. Its so sticky it's hard to get off your fingers when you are putting it down. This stuff does work excellent though on alum rims. The price is great. Another hard part about this tape is cutting it down to size. What I did was stretch out the tape and start at one side of the rim and lay it down with the other side hanging off. once all the way down I went around with a razor blade and cut off the excess.

    Now when it comes to carbon rims. I am scared to try this stuff. It's soo sticky that I am afraid it might f up the rim if i ever need to take it off.

    Again if you have alum rims, just get this stuff.. It will never peel up or let you down.

    update: 8/11/16 - Some have reported that at very high psi's (more than you would typically use for mtb tires, probably cx tires, that they are blowing out holes around the nipple holes. This can be resolved by using 2 layers of tape instead of just 1

    electrical tape:
    You can use it in a pinch, but it will eventually peel up.

    scott transparent duct tape:
    I have not used this, but am pretty curious about it after reading this guys thread on sealing up his fat bike with it. Seems like it would be semi close to the gorilla clear repair tape, but maybe not so permanent?
    Has anyone used this on carbon rims
    update 8/19/14 - I tried this on my enve's and it wasn't all that great. I thought it was going to be a home run as I layed it down but once i sealed up the tire it kept getting slow leaks and would lose about 10lbs a night. I popped the bead off and sure enough stans had leaked thru the overlap area. Trust me I put the tape down proper. I am very anal about that.

    velotape by velocity:
    I am really really curious to find out what kind of tape this is. Other than gorilla clear repair tape, this is the best tape i've used on alum. rims. Actually the bike shop had my bike for a warranty issue and when they gave it back the said my rear tire was leaking so they retaped it with this stuff. It's been on there 1yr and i've switched tires about 3x's on that bike. It never catches or pulls off like strapping tape does. It's really like a vinyl type tape. I would love to know exactly what kind of tape this stuff is.

    updated 8/19/14:
    Tyvek Home Wrap Tape/Sheathing Tape/aka seam tape:
    This has become my 2nd favorite tape so far. I still say if you want bomb proof go with the gorilla clear and you have aluminum rims. However, if you have carbon or are scared to use gcrt on your rims for fear of it becoming permanent then this should be your next tape. I am pretty sure this is what velocity velotape is. It's basically strapping tape that is more stretchy so it's easier to pull tight and get to lay all the way down. Great stuff and peels back up fairly descent if you need to redo the tire for any reason. I did 2 layers around a 29" rim and the weight came to 9g.
    (see bottom of post for most recent info)

    updated 4/12/16
    Kapton Tape - Fratelli Tape
    gmats was the first to post about this. The 1mil Kaptop tape basically used in electronics and other b.s. like that is more than likely the spank fratelli tape. Most users on here report pretty good luck. If you go to chain reaction and look at their user reviews of the tape, they are not the best reviews. I myself have not used it yet, but again others on this thread have.

    updated 11/30/16 - OK I've been using this brown kapton tape on my carbon wheels for a couple of months now after I put some new rubber on. My tyvek stuff peeled up fine, but I didn't feel like going out to get another roll and cutting it to size. So I gave this stuff a shot. It's great.. It has a little flex to it so it fits really nice down into the channel without getting those annoying air pockets. It seems to stick really well to the carbon surface so I am sure it will be just fine on aluminum. It comes in varied sizes and I am pretty sure you could get away with just 1 layer. It's so light though I do one layer one way and the other layer the other. So far after 2 months its been fine. This will probably be my future goto tape unless someone figures out what that velocity tape is. Nice find by gmats on this one.
    you can get it on amazon.


    Tesa 4289
    This is the tape that people say is exactly what Stans is. You can find it dirt cheap on amazon. The only issue i've had with stans tapes and as well as the 9998 tapes is that when they sit or are in the heat long the adhesive tends to wear off. I've even got rolls from amazon that were kind of warped and you could tell the warping was from them getting hot/cold/hot/cold int he warehouse and the adhesive coming undone.

    added 8/11/16
    Maxi 248 Polyester/Silicone Single Coated Splicing Tape
    I've been using this tape on all my wheels lately. I think bang for the buck and ease of use have this as the best deal you can get. I still like tyvek and gorilla clear, but you have to cut both those down. This stuff is cheap, just the right thickness, good adhesive, does not tend to peel up when dismounting a tire, and doesn't leave residue. You get enough to do ridiculous amount of wheels. You get so much that I use this to tape basically anything around the house. The bold title i have up there is for the 2" version which I cut down on the rim after going around with an xacto knife. However I found some 1" wide that is 2mil thick (the maxi 248 is 3.3mil thick). 1" X 72 Yds - Tapes Master 2 Mil Green Powder Coating Masking Tape - High Temperature <- I have not used this brand yet, but will probably buy it next when I run out of the maxi 248
    as of 11/30/16 I've switched my primary tape to the kapton. This stuff still works fine and is great. So you can't go wrong with this stuff either. I just feel that it's slightly easier to not have air pockets with the kapton vs. this. This is my 2nd fav. tape though.

    3M Construction Seaming Tape 8087 Red
    Tried this thinking it would be like my tyvek tape.. It wasn't. It didn't work to well for me and the sides peeled up when popping the bead to put more stans in.


    2/12/18: Update.
    Came back to check on thread and see if I needed to add any new entries. As of this date and doing lots of tires on different rims this is my personal observation. If you want the tape to last and peel up fine and have the best of both of those worlds, the Tyvek tape is the best. I find that it never peels up from the edge, but somehow is easy to peel off if you need to sell the rim. I find it the lightest and really the toughest. If you tape it right with this stuff you can literally just use 1 layer. I use 2 since its so light. The only sucky think about tyvek is that you have to cut it size. Which blows if you mess up while trying to cut it with a razor blade. It would be awesome if there was a way to outsource some company that could cut this down to 22mm size or whatever size you wanted.

    My 2nd choice would be kapton. It's dirt cheap and you can get it close to your size. I have found this to work on rims for 6-12months. Eventually it will peel up but most of you raw dawgs out there will be finished with a tire by then.

    3rd choice is the green poly tape. It's dirt cheap too.

    Tyvek ftw till I find something else.

    Let me know if I need to update, but for now I don't see a better tape IMO than tyvek.
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    great post!
    the blue Scotch is 8898.
    8896 is ivory.
    not that it matters...

    I'm curious why you list the major drawbacks of Gorilla as being the sticky crap it leaves behind and weight, then your favorite tape is clear Gorilla, which you don't provide weight info for and describe as being "permanent." Have you ever tried to remove the clear stuff? How did it go? What does it weigh compared to Gorilla? How is the clear any better than regular Gorilla?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    great post!
    the blue Scotch is 8898.
    8896 is ivory.
    not that it matters...

    I'm curious why you list the major drawbacks of Gorilla as being the sticky crap it leaves behind and weight, then your favorite tape is clear Gorilla, which you don't provide weight info for and describe as being "permanent." Have you ever tried to remove the clear stuff? How did it go? What does it weigh compared to Gorilla? How is the clear any better than regular Gorilla?
    gorilla clear repair tape weight is on par with velotape by velocity. about 20-40g.. I have removed it from a stans crest rim and was scared it was going to pull up paint, but it did not. It did not leave and residue behind like the normal gorilla tape does.

    go to home depot and check it out. Normal gorilla tape is more like a cloth style duct tape as you know. The gorilla clear is more like a vinyl strip or clear packing tape, but tougher, but not near as thick as regular gorilla tape. It is thicker though than lets say normal packing tape. The clear is also waterproof.. it's literally meant to like repair inflatable tubes and crap like that. It's awesome stuff.. Just scared to try it on carbon.

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    I don't always use tubeless, but the scotch filament tape works and pretty much comes all the way off if needed. You can snip the end to the width you need and the excess stays on the roll at that width, quick.. I do two layers so each side has the straight cut from the roll.
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    I'm using gorilla tape atm, the 1" wide role comes in handy since dont have to tear it for my 29er. Not sure how much torn edge effects anything, did it on my sons 20" seems to work fine.

    Definitely going to check out the clr stuff. Figure heat gun will assist in removal should it become necessary.
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    Tubeless Tape Thread

    Tagged for info.

    May finally go tubeless once my Ikons come in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by combfilter View Post
    gorilla clear repair tape weight is on par with velotape by velocity. about 20-40g.. I have removed it from a stans crest rim and was scared it was going to pull up paint, but it did not. It did not leave and residue behind like the normal gorilla tape does.

    go to home depot and check it out. Normal gorilla tape is more like a cloth style duct tape as you know. The gorilla clear is more like a vinyl strip or clear packing tape, but tougher, but not near as thick as regular gorilla tape. It is thicker though than lets say normal packing tape. The clear is also waterproof.. it's literally meant to like repair inflatable tubes and crap like that. It's awesome stuff.. Just scared to try it on carbon.
    good to know.

    I haven't had any adhesion issues with the 8898 on aluminum or carbon.
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    Here's my Opinion on Gorilla tape (the black kind) used in ghetto-tubeless fashion:

    1. It's cheap - I bought 1 2" wide roll (maybe 8$???) and have done 5-6 wheels' worth and could easily do that many more from just one roll.
    2. It's easy - Easy to cut-to-width on the roll, easy to apply, easy to install valve stem. The threads in the tape make it a bit finicky, so it requires a bit of "finish" work for a perfect surface.
    3. It's heavy - Ex. For a DT Swiss EX500 rim (21mm inner width, similar to Stan's Arch EX), a couple layers, adds 50gr per wheel
    4. The adhesive will soften with Stan's sealant , but it doesn't completely fail. But it does not uniformly decompose either...
    5. Removal can be a *****.. it will pull the paint right off the rim in spots. Problem? probably not.. just cosmetic.
    6. It does not like to have tires repeatedly put on and taken off. So, I just redo it every time I change a tire - which is only when one is worn out.

    I can do a wheel in 10 minutes. I got my technique down. I don't be ticklin or nuthin.

    That said, I'm rebuildign the DTswiss EX500 wheels into Stan's Arch EX Wheels and will use Stan's tape.

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    I don't have any experience with it but seems like Orange Seal should make the list.
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    meltingfeather, where do you source the scotch tape? I believe Ibis is also using it on their carbon rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogidave View Post
    Here's my Opinion on Gorilla tape (the black kind) used in ghetto-tubeless fashion:

    1. It's cheap - I bought 1 2" wide roll (maybe 8$???) and have done 5-6 wheels' worth and could easily do that many more from just one roll.
    2. It's easy - Easy to cut-to-width on the roll, easy to apply, easy to install valve stem. The threads in the tape make it a bit finicky, so it requires a bit of "finish" work for a perfect surface.
    3. It's heavy - Ex. For a DT Swiss EX500 rim (21mm inner width, similar to Stan's Arch EX), a couple layers, adds 50gr per wheel
    4. The adhesive will soften with Stan's sealant , but it doesn't completely fail. But it does not uniformly decompose either...
    5. Removal can be a *****.. it will pull the paint right off the rim in spots. Problem? probably not.. just cosmetic.
    6. It does not like to have tires repeatedly put on and taken off. So, I just redo it every time I change a tire - which is only when one is worn out.

    I can do a wheel in 10 minutes. I got my technique down. I don't be ticklin or nuthin.

    That said, I'm rebuildign the DTswiss EX500 wheels into Stan's Arch EX Wheels and will use Stan's tape.
    I agree and have experienced points 4,5,6 of your opinion here as well. I forgot to mention them above but yes the gorilla tape does soak up some of the sealant and it's not uniform on how it does it either. Yes about not liking tires removed. Another reason why gorilla clear repair is good. You can remove your tire 50x's with out it grabbing the lip of the tape and peeling it back.

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    OK, so the scotch clear duct tape didn't work out well on my enve's. It seemed like it would be good but stans can get between the over layer that you go over 3-4 inches after you completed your rounds.

    So I think I found out what velo tape is. I think it's the same tape as that tyvek home wrap. There's a few different brands out there. Here's some cool red ones http://www.amazon.com/Shurtape-HW-30...sheathing+tape

    So on that note I went and bought some from hd and basically it's like strapping tape but with much better adhesive and more stretchy like the velotape. So as you pull it, you can lay it down tight with no air bubbles and it sticks really well. I am real pleased with it so far and trust it enough that I went ahead an put it on my carbon rims. The only caveat i came across was when tightening the valve it grabbed some of the tape and ripped it.. Seems weird too because the tape is pretty tough. I removed it and it peeled up as easy as strapping tape and did not leave any residue. It's water proof and uses some acrylic style adhesive. I don't see it becoming permanent like i feel the gorilla clear could. I still say that gorilla clear repair tape is the best if you have aluminum rims and you want a sure seal with no bead grabbing the tape and pulling it up. I put this tyvek home wrap now in 2nd and it's what's going on my carbon wheels.

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    Just for completeness.....

    I taped the Arch EX wheel with stan's yellow tape per the instructions on their website - 1 layer with 4" overlap opposite the Valve hole.

    With the valve stem installed, the wheel weight increased from 891gr to 904gr on my postal scale --> 13gr increase.

    Recall that to do a standard rim (i.e. not one with a shallow bead depth like stans), you need to do a few layers of Gorilla tape Black. For a 21mm inner width 26" rim like the DT Swiss EX500, this adds 40-50gr before the valve stem - 49gr on the one I tested.

    Multiple layers of gorrilla-black will help lock in the bead by decreasing the depth to be more in line with a Stan's rim.

    Also, there's something to be said for just paying a little extra for *exact* width tape and not having to cut a 2" roll down yourself.

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    To compare apples to apples, how much would the Stan's tape weigh on a standard (non-Stan's) rim if you applied enough to build up the inner rim as you did with the gorilla tape? On another note, are you cutting the wide gorilla tape rather than simply purchasing the 1" width?
    I only used one layer of 1" gorilla tape on my light bicycle carbon rims with bead hooks and have been very happy. I haven't noticed any issues and have changed my tires numerous times in 1.5 yrs. of riding. I haven't had to deal with "sticky adhesive residue" when removing it since I don't plan on taking it off. I also have had other rims with Stan's tape in the past 5 yrs and never had tape come off unless I had to remove it to replace a spoke nipple. YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy13 View Post
    To compare apples to apples, how much would the Stan's tape weigh on a standard (non-Stan's) rim if you applied enough to build up the inner rim as you did with the gorilla tape? On another note, are you cutting the wide gorilla tape rather than simply purchasing the 1" width?
    I only used one layer of 1" gorilla tape on my light bicycle carbon rims with bead hooks and have been very happy. I haven't noticed any issues and have changed my tires numerous times in 1.5 yrs. of riding. I haven't had to deal with "sticky adhesive residue" when removing it since I don't plan on taking it off. I also have had other rims with Stan's tape in the past 5 yrs and never had tape come off unless I had to remove it to replace a spoke nipple. YMMV.
    1" = 25.4mm. Rim inner width is 21mm, so I am cutting regardless of buying the 2" or 1".

    Bottom line is that you have to use enough tape to (adequately" seal a given tire on what ever rim you use. If that means 1 layer of Stan's yellow tape, or 3 layers of Gorilla Black, then that's what you need. I don't know what the optimum thickness (or layers needed) is to achieve a robust interface between rim bead and tire. However, part of the "system requirements" for running a non-tubeless rim (eg DT Swiss EX500) is to reduce the depth of the bead hook so that tire bead is firmly held in place with little/no gaps. This should (probably?) helps seal the tire.

    So lets say this for 2 rims, both with 21mm inner width:

    1: stans arch EX rim + yellow tape requires 1 layer of Stan's yellow tape and adds about 10gr

    2. DT Swiss EX500 rim + Gorilla Black (3x layers) adds about 40-50gr (say 15gr/layer). maybe you could do it with 2 and reduce the weight 15gr/wheel.

    I've never had Stan's rims before, so I'll report back with tire mounting experience and compare to ghetto tubeless on the DT EX500 in a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    good to know.

    I haven't had any adhesion issues with the 8898 on aluminum or carbon.
    Thanks & good to know as well...

    I ordered a roll of 8896 to use on my LB carbon and Stan's aluminum rims from now on.
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    Tubeless Tape Thread

    I used bontrager strips on my bontrager wheels but I'm going to order the 8896 tape for my specialized wheels.

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    Where are you guys sourcing the 3M Scotch 8896 tape?

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    Why the hell can't more companies make something like the Bontrager hard plastic strips that don't leave messy residue, never leak or peal up, etc. I miss my Bontrager wheels BAD.

    Gorilla tape will peal up after 1-2 tire changes... just swapped to Stan's tape and hasn't peeled up after 3 changes so far, knock on wood...

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    Re: Tubeless Tape Thread

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    Where are you guys sourcing the 3M Scotch 8896 tape?
    Amazon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias530 View Post
    Why the hell can't more companies make something like the Bontrager hard plastic strips that don't leave messy residue, never leak or peal up, etc. I miss my Bontrager wheels BAD.

    Gorilla tape will peal up after 1-2 tire changes... just swapped to Stan's tape and hasn't peeled up after 3 changes so far, knock on wood...
    I decided not to go tubeless until I found out about the bontrager strips. It is reaaallly easy and made going tubeless a snap, pun intended.

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    No issues mounting tubeless on EX500 + black gorilla (sounds like a kind of pot!) or Arch + Stans yellow.

    Both air-up with a regular floor pump, albeit with some fast strokes. Both pop/ping as expected.

    Rim/tire combo:
    Stans Arch EX + Conti Trail King 2.2 (2 diff used tires) -- good o go
    DT Swiss EX500 + Maxxis Highroller 2 -- good to go

    Will be doing the stans wheel with a new Maxxis Highroller 2 in the next few days. I expect no issues.

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    Bead hook depth

    Interesting observation in comparing the two rims. The DT Swiss EX500 (on the right, below) measures in at about 6mm deep at the bead hook while the Arch EX (on the left, below)measures in at about half that.

    One of the net results of this is that the bead is harder to break in the stans rim. This helps in preventing burping on hard hits at low pressure. So, on a non-tubeless rim, id does make sense to use a thick layer(s) of tape to reduce the depth.

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    I think anything you can do to seal the bead tightly up against the beak hook will help. It may take trial and error for different tape and rim combinations and it might make sense to measure rim depth with a caliper to help figure out how much tape to use.

    BTW - Stan's Arch rim (with Stan's yellow tape) + Maxxis Highroller 2 2.4" 3C/EXO (not DH casing) seats easily with soapy water + a floor pump. Easy.

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    Tesa 4289 tape is the same tape used by Stan's. but Tesa comes in 66 meters length for the same price as Stan's set. found out about it on BikeMarkt.

    also, people say you can use lighter Tesa 4288 but didn't use it myself.

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    To clear things up a bit, Amazon only sells blue 8896 in 24mm and ivory 8898 in 24mm. Before reading this thread, i always thought 8898 was the one we wanted?

    At least thats what i bought and seems to work good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impulse922 View Post
    To clear things up a bit, Amazon only sells blue 8896 in 24mm and ivory 8898 in 24mm. Before reading this thread, i always thought 8898 was the one we wanted?

    At least thats what i bought and seems to work good enough.
    Same tape... 8898 is blue and 8896 is ivory per 3M.
    Wouldn't be the first time an online vendor had a detail like that mixed up.
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    What about American Classic tubeless tape, which has "proprietary polymer materials?" or Spank Fratelli tubeless ready tape which appears to be the same thing?

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    The Scotch 3M 8898 or 8896 works fine on the right width rim (ie tape goes bead to bead). The trick is preping the rim by cleaning all contaminants off it first with rubbing alcohol. But if you change your tires a lot, then something stickier is a better bet but for install and mount it works fine.

    For set and forget it is hard to beat Gorilla Tape. Yes removing it can suck (trick is to heat it up with a heat gun first and most of the goo will come up with the tape) and yes it weighs a few grams more. But for set and forget through multiple tire changes, it is bulletproof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Whisperer View Post
    The Scotch 3M 8898 or 8896 works fine on the right width rim (ie tape goes bead to bead). The trick is preping the rim by cleaning all contaminants off it first with rubbing alcohol. But if you change your tires a lot, then something stickier is a better bet but for install and mount it works fine.

    For set and forget it is hard to beat Gorilla Tape. Yes removing it can suck (trick is to heat it up with a heat gun first and most of the goo will come up with the tape) and yes it weighs a few grams more. But for set and forget through multiple tire changes, it is bulletproof.
    My gorilla tape experience has been different... It pulls up and loses its seal after 1-2 tire changes

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    So I'm hearing some noise coming from my 29er Enve AM and I'm thinking it might be corroded nipples. Currently they're setup tubeless so I'm going to have to remove the tape before I can see. I know Enve use Gorilla tape so I picked up the 1" roll but when I compared it to the small bit I have left that came with my rims, I've noticed it's thinner by about 4mm. Is this going to pose a problem?
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    yesterday got that Tesa 4289 tape I talked about in my previous post.
    exactly the same tape that Stan's setup use, probably just rebranded. the difference is the Tesa tape comes at 66 meters length unit and Stan's come bearly enough for five times your rim...

    I'll use it today and post my findings.

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    Hey all,

    I forget now who had suggested this tape (from these same MTBR forums), but I am using Clear Gorilla Repair tape cut to roughly 15mm on my 40mm Nextie Carbon Rims.

    So far it has been holding up well. My front rim is still using normal 1" Gorilla Tape, but it has "soaked" itself with Stans; when I removed the previous application from the rear, the tape was quite heavy and wet. When I am less lazy I will apply the clear Gorilla repair tape to the front too.





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    yesterday I used Tesa 4289 tape for tubeless and after the day of hopping around mountain can say it is working with no problems whatsoever.

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    Thanks everyone for this thread! It was really helpful.

    I was able to convert some velocity aeroheat with 3M #L625 "tough duct tape". It's not light, but those aren't my race wheels. Tape, orange seal and go riding!

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    Thanks everyone for this thread! It was really helpful.

    I was able to convert some velocity aeroheat with 3M #L625 "tough duct tape". It's not light, but those aren't my race wheels. Tape, orange seal and go riding!
    Duct & Gorilla are good that way; the trade off is the weight and when you have to deal with it again it will be a sticky nightmare of goo residue on your rim.

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    Interesting thread - subscribed
    By the way I often change rear tires to suit conditions and tend to use the same front tire- and I am using Stans (expensive but holds great) on the rear wheels and Roval (cheaper but weaker adhesive) on front wheels :-)
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    I use STANS on my 29er WTB i23 rims. Works great. My new 26er rims are SPANK OOZY 295, with Fratelli tape. Rims are being assembled now, but I have not tried the Fratelli tape yet. Curious to know anyone's experience. I don't have a good reason to stop using STANS yellow tape. Great thread everyone. I find this interesting and informative.

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    Stan's tape is great. but if you like that use Tesa 4289 tape as it is the same, and I really mean same exact tape. the thing is Stan's package comes with 4, 5 wheels length and Tesa's come in 66 meters length for the same or very similar price.

    I used both Tesa and Stan's tapes and it really is the same material.

    Quote Originally Posted by hoolie View Post
    I use STANS on my 29er WTB i23 rims. Works great. My new 26er rims are SPANK OOZY 295, with Fratelli tape. Rims are being assembled now, but I have not tried the Fratelli tape yet. Curious to know anyone's experience. I don't have a good reason to stop using STANS yellow tape. Great thread everyone. I find this interesting and informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan_d View Post
    Hey all,

    I forget now who had suggested this tape (from these same MTBR forums), but I am using Clear Gorilla Repair tape cut to roughly 15mm on my 40mm Nextie Carbon Rims.

    So far it has been holding up well. My front rim is still using normal 1" Gorilla Tape, but it has "soaked" itself with Stans; when I removed the previous application from the rear, the tape was quite heavy and wet. When I am less lazy I will apply the clear Gorilla repair tape to the front too.



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    Read Post #1 of this thread. It was mentioned/reviewed. Looks like you had the balls to use it on carbon, which really should be fine.

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    This is a great post. Great info OP. I too have had great success with the black gorilla tape for some time but it is heavy. I've sort of resorted to that for the reliability for now.

    Anyone ever try this?
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    We've used it for years for insulating our electronics and exhibits many great properties with heat mitigation and durability. I just have not yet had the nerve to try it in my rim. It is very light though and the adhesive works great. It also is "slippery" in that the bead and tire doesn't seem like it'd get hung up.

    Anyway, just wondering if anyone else try it "yet".

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    Ok, my bike facebook page a couple of guys were saying that Gorilla tape, at higher PSI will expand into the spoke hole and rupture. Anyone with experience here?

    What about Gorilla getting mushy? Won't this cause it to allow air in?

    Does the clear gorilla tape react to the sealant like the black stuff? Does it get mushy and such?

    And finally, ashas has posted several times about the Tesa tape. Anyone else try this stuff? ashas says it is identical, but just curious if it truly is as in how does it react to the sealant?

    This post rocks. I just got my new bike and tried converting it to tubeless (my other bike was my first time and I had zero issues) and I kept having leaking around the valve. Couple of things I remembered I did differently that might help this thread
    -It was cold and I was having issues with Stan's tape sticking (it would not). The last bike I did it in the summer when it was crazy hot.
    -I used "green stuff" cleaner to clean the wheels. Last time I used alcohol. Wonder if the green stuff cleaner left some type of residue also.

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    Clear stuff does not react to sealant, however it cannot take much pressure and it will stretch to the point of tearing if you only use one layer.

    I have purchased the Kapton tape but I have not installed it yet. I just hope the adhesive is a good one because the 3M Stans wannabe will not stick to my carbon rims.

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    I've been using the 3M 8898 tape for a couple of months on my LB 35mm rims. It has held up well, no leaks. And I didn't exactly get it on perfectly, just tried to make sure it stuck. My wheels lost about 2lbs of pressure this last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by objectuser View Post
    I've been using the 3M 8898 tape for a couple of months on my LB 35mm rims. It has held up well, no leaks. And I didn't exactly get it on perfectly, just tried to make sure it stuck. My wheels lost about 2lbs of pressure this last week.
    Losing 2lb of pressure is holding up well? In my experience the with Ibis rims the 8898 with one round didn't stick. It also failed by stretching and popping into the inner spoke holes. I've been using two or three rounds. And as bike whisperer suggest, thoroughly cleaning the rim is key. I never worried about that with stans tape which seems to be more sticky.

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    Losing 2lb of pressure is holding up well?
    in a week? Yes.
    It's likely the tires and not the tape that would drive this. Your experience with 8898 is interesting... certainly different from mine. I've been setting up tubeless tires with it exclusively for about two years I'd guess with zero problems. Since I build wheels in my spare time I do more set ups than your average rider. I'm still on my first roll and have set up maybe a couple of dozen wheelsets with it.
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    @ashas,
    where did you get the Tesa 4289? Local hw store? Most sources seem to sell bulk.

    anyone compare 4298 to 4289?

    for tubeless-ready rims, is the issue just covering the spoke holes, and not building the bead bed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    in a week? Yes.
    It's likely the tires and not the tape that would drive this. Your experience with 8898 is interesting... certainly different from mine. I've been setting up tubeless tires with it exclusively for about two years I'd guess with zero problems. Since I build wheels in my spare time I do more set ups than your average rider. I'm still on my first roll and have set up maybe a couple of dozen wheelsets with it.
    I believe Ibis was initially using 3M 6409 Blue 471. I'm not sure if that was what was initially on my rims or not. I had assumed it was 8898 but dug up that info that that was what they were using last spring. I've since used 8898 on the same rims but did a double wrap just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    I don't have any experience with it but seems like Orange Seal should make the list.
    Rim Tape — Orange Seal
    Orange Seal is the tape I will be using on my next build of carbon wheels per the recommendation of the rim supplier Derby. This is directly from the web-site.

    " The best most effective tape I've found is Orange Seal 18mm wide tape. It can be found for $10 to $12 (MSRP) on-line. One roll is enough for 4 rims, one round.

    Another option is using one round of Stan's 12mm wide tape and adding another round of 3/4 inch (18mm) wide plastic tape over the narrow Stans, such as electricians black tape.

    Using tape wall to wall is not needed, this can be too tight, and not seal as well with good quality tires. Only the spoke holes need to be sealed with good sticky tape, 3/4 inch or 18mm wide in the center channel. Derby Rims don't burp with tape only in the center channel, using every tire I've heard of. No one has ever complained about burps."
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    I had Stan's 12mm tape double wrapped for nine months, sealant was beginning to migrate under the tape.



    I replaced it with Orange Seal 18mm also wrapped twice. After seven months the OS tape is sealed well, so I see no need to wrap with fresh tape this time. The current tire I mounted is very stiff and has a tight bead circle, yet the tape edge didn't roll when pushing one side of the tire back over the bead lock after initially setting the beads with a tube. The Orange Seal tape also survived being repeatedly jabbed with a stick, which had punctured the former tire. I rode with the 1.5 inch length, .25 inch OD stick buried to the end for quite a ways before finding a safe place to dismount.

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    Any other experiences with the clear gorilla tape?

    I am still wanting to know where you can get this tesa tape.

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    Here are two rolls for tessa on ebay.
    If you are in the US like me, it will be coming from the United Kingdom.
    Tesa 4289 | eBay

    Trying to decide if I want the 19mm or the 25mm

    EDIT: Just went ahead and ordered the 19mm.
    If I have no luck with this, i will keep an eye on this thread, my next choice will be clear gorilla.
    If that bombs, then i will just pony up and get the stans again

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    Any other experiences with the clear gorilla tape?

    I am still wanting to know where you can get this tesa tape.
    I used clear Gorilla tape when converting my wife's bike to Tubeless. It lays down sooo much easier than Stans, really is a piece of cake.

    Only advice I have is to make sure your hands are clean of debris, this tape really picks up everything.
    I bike with tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cardnation View Post
    I used Gorilla tape when converting my wife's bike to Tubeless. It lays down sooo much easier than Stans, really is a piece of cake.

    Only advice I have is to make sure your hands are clean of debris, this tape really picks up everything.
    Did you use the clear gorilla tape?
    I am really curious what this stuff looks like after awhile since the normal tape seems to soak it up and "loosen" up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    Did you use the clear gorilla tape?
    I am really curious what this stuff looks like after awhile since the normal tape seems to soak it up and "loosen" up.
    Yes the clear. Sorry about that, I've edited my post to make the distinction.

    The clear tape is nothing like normal Gorilla and I really do mean nothing. Normal Gorilla is more of a cloth and porous.

    If I was to describe the clear. I would say it is almost exactly like packing tape, except that it is a tad thicker and pliable/rubbery.
    I bike with tires.

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    awesome thanks.
    have you taken the wheels off your wife's bike yet to see how the sealant is interacting with the tape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    awesome thanks.
    have you taken the wheels off your wife's bike yet to see how the sealant is interacting with the tape?
    I've not had a reason to do so, since it is not losing pressure. This stuff is so sticky, I can't imagine it being affected.
    I bike with tires.

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    I ordered the tessa tape. I will let everyone know how it goes when it gets here next week or so.

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    ok, so the Tesa 4289 roll came in the mail from the UK

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    At first glance it looked identical. So I started to wrap my wheels.
    I went ahead and wrapped each wheel 3 times around only because the last time I had so much trouble. Took me 2 hours because I was extra cautious about removing all air bubbles and such.
    Wheels look ready, but I do not have time to get them setup any further, I will finish the setup tomorrow.

    After cleaning up, I compared two strips. In the pic below is the Stan's tape on the left, and the tesa tape on the right.
    The stan's tape is clearly thicker.
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    My concern now is if the tape will hold up around the spoke holes to high PSI (I do not run low PSI tubeless). I have read posts before where people thought that certain ghetto tapes would blow out at higher PSI. I went 3 times around, so hoping not.

    If this does not work, I will just go with the clear gorilla tape. Thinking of putting a single layer over this just for the hell of it.

    What do you guys think?

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    lardo5150, you really overkilled it with three layers on each wheel. but safe is safe, I get that.

    one more thing - from the pic of Stan's and 4289 tapes, I'd say your Tesa tape is narrower than Stans which is not the case with the one I used. there seems to be different versions of 4289 tape because the one I used is 25mm wide (as Stan's tape) and is not this transparent when I put it against the surface like yours is.

    just wanted to say I used one layer on each wheel (Flow Ex rims) on Spesh tires and run between 1,8 - 2,5 bars on them depending what I ride that day and had no problems whatsoever.

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    Ashas, yes mine is 19mm.
    I have used the 21mm of Stan's in the past. Never tried the 25mm, and the Tesa tape was only available in 19 or 25, so I just ordered the 19. The Stan's in my pic is 21.

    Thanks for the info, I will have to do my google bars to psi converstion, lol.

    I will get the tires set today, and let you know how it goes.

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    Just to add, I usually run around 35 PSI, just a tad bit more than you.

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    sorry, I'm european so I just wrote in bar's

    I'm guessing you're using a rim with less than 25mm inner width and that's why you used that 19mm tape. if I'm wrong, I strongly recommend getting 25mm 4289 tape next time.

    looking forward to see how the setup held...

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    It is the standard rim that comes with the Diamondback Overdrive Pro.
    Serious question, does it matter, just as long as the spoke holes are covered? I believe I measured it from lip to lip, and it is exactly 25mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thumperington View Post
    @ashas,
    where did you get the Tesa 4289? Local hw store? Most sources seem to sell bulk.

    anyone compare 4298 to 4289?

    for tubeless-ready rims, is the issue just covering the spoke holes, and not building the bead bed?
    hey sorry for this late reply, I didn't check forum for few weeks.

    I got the tape from my local Tesa distributor for free.
    he also sell in bulks (whole package has at least 24 units).

    he had couple of units laying around as specimens and he gave me one free because I called him on phone and he didn't believe I want to use it as air sealant tool for tubeless system on a bike

    he also told me to contact him when I need more of it, so that's great...

    I already posted I learned about the tape on MTB-News.de, german bike portal that has huge community forum wise, but also great buy/sell portal called Bike Markt (link goes to Tesa tape offers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    It is the standard rim that comes with the Diamondback Overdrive Pro.
    Serious question, does it matter, just as long as the spoke holes are covered? I believe I measured it from lip to lip, and it is exactly 25mm.
    Quote Originally Posted by thumperington View Post
    @ashas,
    for tubeless-ready rims, is the issue just covering the spoke holes, and not building the bead bed?

    I don't think the width matters, somebody here put narrow tape on a 40mm carbon rim and seems he doesn't have any problems.

    on Flow Ex the width is 25mm as the tape itself so I had to watch out to not get in the way of the hook on the rim, nothing else. I think you're good with 19mm tape.
    at least you'll find out about that pretty soon

    good luck with set-uping. let us know how it went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashas View Post
    sorry, I'm european so I just wrote in bar's

    I'm guessing you're using a rim with less than 25mm inner width and that's why you used that 19mm tape. if I'm wrong, I strongly recommend getting 25mm 4289 tape next time.

    looking forward to see how the setup held...

    Here is my rim with the 3 layers of the tesa. I have never used the 25mm, even on the old bike that had zero issues getting setup tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashas View Post
    hey sorry for this late reply, I didn't check forum for few weeks.

    I got the tape from my local Tesa distributor for free.
    he also sell in bulks (whole package has at least 24 units).

    he had couple of units laying around as specimens and he gave me one free because I called him on phone and he didn't believe I want to use it as air sealant tool for tubeless system on a bike

    he also told me to contact him when I need more of it, so that's great...

    I already posted I learned about the tape on MTB-News.de, german bike portal that has huge community forum wise, but also great buy/sell portal called Bike Markt (link goes to Tesa tape offers).
    Ya, I could not find it in the US. Amazon had it in bulk for like 700 bucks which defeated the purpose of saving money LOL.
    I got it from this guy, Tesa 4289 No Tubes Tubeless Rim Tape 19mm Wide x 66M Long | eBay
    fast shipping considering it came from the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    Here is my rim with the 3 layers of the tesa. I have never used the 25mm, even on the old bike that had zero issues getting setup tubeless.

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    this looks very good.
    if you had good experiences with 19mm tape before, I don't see why that would change now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashas View Post
    this looks very good.
    if you had good experiences with 19mm tape before, I don't see why that would change now.
    it was the 21mm before. in mm that is not that much wider. Ya, the first bike went great.
    I really think the issue I had before this with the new bike is its cold here and I was having issues getting the tape to stick. Plus, for whatever reason, me being a dummy I cleaned the rims with a cleaner instead of alcohol and I think it left a film.

    I will let you know how it goes.
    In my google search I think I saw the same post you saw where someone mentioned this was the same tape.

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    The tape seems to be holding just fine right now.
    I got the tires setup last night, but have not taken the bike for a ride.
    I will say, without going into a long backstory, I ended up putting an o-ring on the stem as well, on the inside of the rim to add more of a seal.

    Once I go for a ride i will let everyone know how it is holding. I currently have 35 psi in them.

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    I just picked up some tyvek house wrap tape. How do you guys cut down this wide tape? I've just wasted a bunch and at 13 bucks a roll I'd like to not totally waste a bunch of it. I had a thought that I should just set up my tablesaw with a fence and cut it to width that way? anybody here done such a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    I just picked up some tyvek house wrap tape. How do you guys cut down this wide tape? I've just wasted a bunch and at 13 bucks a roll I'd like to not totally waste a bunch of it. I had a thought that I should just set up my tablesaw with a fence and cut it to width that way? anybody here done such a thing?
    That's hardcore man.

    I just grab a box cutter, elevate it horizontally on whatever object can stabilize it at the height I want (peanut butter lid in my case) then I just spun the tape on the knife edge.

    Cylinders and table-saws just put a funny feeling in my tummy.

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    I would use a fence and a push stick. But perhaps I'll try your method first

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    I just picked up some tyvek house wrap tape. How do you guys cut down this wide tape? I've just wasted a bunch and at 13 bucks a roll I'd like to not totally waste a bunch of it. I had a thought that I should just set up my tablesaw with a fence and cut it to width that way? anybody here done such a thing?
    I did mine like this pic:
    http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb8465542/p4pb8465542.jpg

    The only difference was I used an xacto knife.. Do this method and really just take your time. Once you go around it once it makes a groove that is easy for you to keep the blade in. Just go around a few more times until your blade goes pretty far in there. I went to fast on my first gorilla clear and screwed up. I learned my lesson because yes that tyvek tape is 12-14.00. I love it though. That's been my goto tape now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    This is a great post. Great info OP. I too have had great success with the black gorilla tape for some time but it is heavy. I've sort of resorted to that for the reliability for now.

    Anyone ever try this?
    1 Mil Kapton Tapes

    We've used it for years for insulating our electronics and exhibits many great properties with heat mitigation and durability. I just have not yet had the nerve to try it in my rim. It is very light though and the adhesive works great. It also is "slippery" in that the bead and tire doesn't seem like it'd get hung up.

    Anyway, just wondering if anyone else try it "yet".

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    Dude, I think you found out what tape is the AC and Spank Fratelli tapes are!. It's pretty much looks like that stuff.

    Nice find. Let us know how it lays down on the rim, what type of rim you put it on, and how well it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    Ok, my bike facebook page a couple of guys were saying that Gorilla tape, at higher PSI will expand into the spoke hole and rupture. Anyone with experience here?

    What about Gorilla getting mushy? Won't this cause it to allow air in?

    Does the clear gorilla tape react to the sealant like the black stuff? Does it get mushy and such?

    And finally, ashas has posted several times about the Tesa tape. Anyone else try this stuff? ashas says it is identical, but just curious if it truly is as in how does it react to the sealant?

    This post rocks. I just got my new bike and tried converting it to tubeless (my other bike was my first time and I had zero issues) and I kept having leaking around the valve. Couple of things I remembered I did differently that might help this thread
    -It was cold and I was having issues with Stan's tape sticking (it would not). The last bike I did it in the summer when it was crazy hot.
    -I used "green stuff" cleaner to clean the wheels. Last time I used alcohol. Wonder if the green stuff cleaner left some type of residue also.
    First, I'd just stay away from regular gorilla tape all together. The residue sucks, it's heavy, and it works ok, but there's better tapes out there that wont add 100g of rotational weight to your wheels.

    Gorilla clear is in a different league than regular gorilla tape. It's more like vinyl but with a crazy adhesive. Just take your time cutting it to size. The good thing about it is that it's cheap. I am still too scared to use it with my carbon enve's. It's that sticky.

    As far as cleaning your rims with simple green. Just use a blow dryer and heat up all the old tape and glue and wipe all that off. Use a scotch pad and alcohol to really clean up the rim and let that all evaporate. That should be it.

    I bet what happened is the same stupid thing I did with my "orange clean" degreaser.. I used that to get old gorilla tape residue off and didn't realize that by spraying that directly onto the rim that I was letting that stuff get into the nipple hole. I'd then tape the wheel and the tape would come un done or leak. I finally realized there was leftover orange clean trapped inside where the nipple hole was that was causing my tape to come un done. Now I just use alcohol and a blow dryer.

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    Fratelli tape and Kapton tape

    I had used the split tube method for a few years, and this year decided to try tape instead for a new set of wheels. I bought the Fratelli tape from CRC, and when I received it I saw that it looked identical to the kapton tape I have used at work. The Fratelli label said the material is polyimide, which is the same as kapton. There was not much length to the roll, probably around 5 yards for $15. So I bought a couple of 1"x36yard rolls of 1mil kapton tape on Amazon, $14 each. Looks identical. Since March 2014 I have one wheel taped up with the Fratelli tape, and one wheel taped up with the kapton tape. I used two layers on each rim, following the description from this thread:
    Spank spike race28 - Pinkbike Forum

    I am using 26" Spank Spike Race 28 EVO rims, with Schwalbe Magic Mary supegravity tires. The tires aired up with a compressor right away, and held air with no sealant overnight. I did put sealant in the next day. The setup has been working really well, no air loss at all. I have swapped out the front tire once, and the rear 3 times without re-taping. So far, no issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    I just picked up some tyvek house wrap tape. How do you guys cut down this wide tape? I've just wasted a bunch and at 13 bucks a roll I'd like to not totally waste a bunch of it. I had a thought that I should just set up my tablesaw with a fence and cut it to width that way? anybody here done such a thing?
    The people who have tried that can't type anymore.
    A tablesaw is not going to work and be very dangerous. Use a razor blade.
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    I've used Kapton and PET tape with success on LB rims. One rim with PEt and the other with Kapton.
    I purchased both from DX. It was abut $5 a roll (30 metres).
    I used 2 wraps just to be safe. No issues so far in 8 months of use.

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    Kapton sounds like the business - silicone adhesive with no mess sounds great to me. Plus I have spank oozy trail 295 rims and kapton is what they sell / recomment.

    I see it in 1mil 1.5mil, 2mil and 2.7mil thickness. Bonus points for any one who finds out what the thickness used by spank / american classic and even more bonus points for cheapest source.

    So far I have found
    Polyimide Tape - Kapton Tape - Masking Tapes - Soldering Tape

    Tapes master on Amazon is about same

    Can tape a while with shipping from Hong Kong but the price is right -
    Gold Finger High Temperature Adhesive Tape - 24mm x 33m Roll

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    I just picked up some tyvek house wrap tape. How do you guys cut down this wide tape? I've just wasted a bunch and at 13 bucks a roll I'd like to not totally waste a bunch of it. I had a thought that I should just set up my tablesaw with a fence and cut it to width that way? anybody here done such a thing?
    I've done something similar with a bandsaw. It was a much wider roll of specialty tape though, probably like 12", like a paper towel sized roll. It worked surprisingly good. In this case I would imagine cutting off such a thin section would be sketchy.

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    I've got 29mm inner width rims. I'm struggling to find tape that exact width and know from my arts and craft skills, I won't be able to cut tape accurately. Last bike I used stans 21mm tape on 21mm rims, worked perfectly and I had zero issues. I'm hoping to duplicate that success if possible.

    So.. Do I need 29mm tape, or will 25mm tape work? Do the holes just have to be covered, or does the tape to tire bead seal give the best results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toyotatacomaTRD View Post
    I've got 29mm inner width rims. I'm struggling to find tape that exact width and know from my arts and craft skills, I won't be able to cut tape accurately. Last bike I used stans 21mm tape on 21mm rims, worked perfectly and I had zero issues. I'm hoping to duplicate that success if possible.

    So.. Do I need 29mm tape, or will 25mm tape work? Do the holes just have to be covered, or does the tape to tire bead seal give the best results?
    If you have tubeless rim (sealed seam) the it's only the holes that need covering.

    If you look on the Derby site they use 15mm (or close) tape to seal their 35mm inner rim.

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    On wider rims only covering the spoke holes may work, but on narrower rims the tire bead upsets the tape, causing leaks and the need to retape. Rim channels vary across different wheels, but for my current WTB I23 rims they are 23 mm inner diameter and the tape specific to this rim from WTB is 28 mm, so +5 mm might be a good starting point for those trying to buy the right width tape without having to cut it to size.

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    I need something to replace the crappy Gorilla duct tape that keeps tearing and no longer seals my Arch EX rim. I have a ride on Sunday so I don't have time to wait for something on Ebay and I would rather avoid expensive Stan's tape. What can I pick up at Home Depot or something? Anyone have experience with Super Glue EZ Fuse tape?Super Glue, 1 in. x 10 ft. Black E-Z Fuse Silicone Tape, 15408-6 at The Home Depot - Mobile (sku1000894281 on homedpot.com)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    I need something to replace the crappy Gorilla duct tape that keeps tearing and no longer seals my Arch EX rim. I have a ride on Sunday so I don't have time to wait for something on Ebay and I would rather avoid expensive Stan's tape. What can I pick up at Home Depot or somethung? Anyone have experience with Super Glue EZ Fuse tape?Super Glue, 1 in. x 10 ft. Black E-Z Fuse Silicone Tape, 15408-6 at The Home Depot - Mobile (sku1000894281 on homedpot.com)
    Silicone tapes only fuse to themselves and have no adhesive, I don't know how well they would work on a rim. If I were in a pinch and needed something quick I would use something like this: Staples® Fiberglass Filament Tape | Staples®

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    Home depot has tyvek tape. I don't rave about it like others as I had some issues getting it to seal but it could have been user error too. The issue for me is cutting the hole for the valve

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    I've got good results with Tyvek. I'm punching small hole for valve using marker punch or whatever it's called. Just big enough to push valve stem through so tape has plenty of area to seal against stem's rubber cone.

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    Thanks to all for this thread. After spending $20/roll for Stans tape at the LBS, I decided to look around. Here is a summary of what I ended up doing:

    I could not find the Tesa 4289 tape (Stan's equivalent) in the USA, so I compared the specs on Scotch 8896 (blue) and 8898 (ivory). Both are tensilized polypropylene with a natural rubber backing. The Tesa is 5.9 mils thick, and the Scotch is 4.6.

    The 8896 and 8898 24mm wide x 55m long are available for about $6.50 delivered from Amazon prime.

    I needed 21mm width. I tried clamping a razor knife to a cutting board, shimming it to the proper position with some old credit cards, but was not happy with the results. I ended up cutting the whole roll on the table saw. I feel it can be done safely as per the photo. Throw away the first few outer layers and the remaining tape is nearly perfect.

    It looks, feels, and applies exactly like the Stans as near as I can tell.

    According to the specs, it is best if used within 18 months. I put it in a zip-lock bag and threw it in the refrigerator.

    I tried some Kapton tape first, because it was available in 19mm width which is close enough. However, I could not get it to seal around the valve stem.

    Tubeless Tape Thread-cutting-tape.jpg
    You could cut out an an E-shaped finger guard instead of the single stick I used here.

    http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/8...-tape-8896.pdf

    http://www.packagingtapeinc.com/pact.../tesa_4289.pdf

    Amazon.com: Scotch Film Strapping Tape 8898 Ivory, 24 mm x 55 m (Pack of 1): Industrial & Scientific

    http://www.amazon.com/Scotch-Film-St...ds=scotch+8896

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    this is my taping experience. I cleaned the rims before hand with Coleman camp fuel and then 99% alcohol...really clean. I started with the standard Gorilla Tape cut down to width with an exacto knife. It worked okay but needed to be replaced as the tire bead would push the tape edge and peel it up. Also the gorilla tape delaminated and left terrible residue. Then I switched to LB carbon rims and the gorilla tape was so sticky in places that it actually removed very small carbon fibers. So that was the end of gorilla tape.

    I bought 25mm 3M 8898 when people said it was Stans. Its not. It is stiffer and does not mold into the center channel near as well as Stans. As well I had failure of the tape when it split at a nipple hole. I have resorted to layering in a couple wraps of 12mm fiberglass tape over the holes and then wrapping the 25mm 8898 over it. Also the 8898 doesn't stick that well to itself so it would leak at the overlap back to the valve stem even though the overlap was 6 inches long. So I tape over the overlap with a couple inches of gorilla. Phew!! And the 8898 does not peel off in one piece, separating into fibers and leaving residue.

    I guess the next is Tesa 4289 which everybody says is Stans but I will believe it when I see it. Or to Kapton. The search continues.

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    Sorry the 8898 didn't work out for you. Where did you get yours? It doesn't seem like the sort of thing someone would counterfeit. Is the inside of the spool printed with the Scotch logo & model#? As I recall mine came in a sealed wrapper.

    If it's old I can see the glue losing adhesion. Maybe the plastic would get brittle over time.

    Mine's still doing fine. I had the tire off to check the goo before a race, and the tape looked fine. I didn't go trying to peel it up tho .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snipe View Post
    this is my taping experience. I cleaned the rims before hand with Coleman camp fuel and then 99% alcohol...really clean. I started with the standard Gorilla Tape cut down to width with an exacto knife. It worked okay but needed to be replaced as the tire bead would push the tape edge and peel it up. Also the gorilla tape delaminated and left terrible residue. Then I switched to LB carbon rims and the gorilla tape was so sticky in places that it actually removed very small carbon fibers. So that was the end of gorilla tape.

    I bought 25mm 3M 8898 when people said it was Stans. Its not. It is stiffer and does not mold into the center channel near as well as Stans. As well I had failure of the tape when it split at a nipple hole. I have resorted to layering in a couple wraps of 12mm fiberglass tape over the holes and then wrapping the 25mm 8898 over it. Also the 8898 doesn't stick that well to itself so it would leak at the overlap back to the valve stem even though the overlap was 6 inches long. So I tape over the overlap with a couple inches of gorilla. Phew!! And the 8898 does not peel off in one piece, separating into fibers and leaving residue.

    I guess the next is Tesa 4289 which everybody says is Stans but I will believe it when I see it. Or to Kapton. The search continues.

    Good Lord, is a roll of Stans so freaking expensive to make it worth all of that^?!

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    hello. just been reading these threads. i'm about to tape up a HED big ride rim set.

    interesting stuff. summary: adhesives tend to be acrylic or rubber based. then tape are various materials with various conformation properties and elongation. It seems the stronger adhesive tapes folk mention use acrylic based adhesives (im not sure what tyvek tape uses), tapes such as the tesa and stans seem to lack some stretch to me - they are polyporp - so might not be ideal over the exposed nipples of single wall rims such as the HEDS. the tesa 4288 and 4289 have a rubber adhesive.

    the 3m 8898 is polyprop with a synthetic rubber resin adhesive. again, this might explain the reports of less adhesiveness. no idea what clear gorilla tape is.


    3m 471 was mentioned: it is vinyl, conformable, but thin. it uses a rubber adhesive. i'm guessing it might deform around stuff well?

    i was wonderign about using tape such as 3m 'scotchguard' tape…

    product data here - http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/9...%202014_R4.pdf

    i suspect it might be a bit thin for just one layer (~ 0.2mm) but wondered if anyone had any experience of it? it seems like it would be like thin 'helicopter' tape. 3m 8671 seems to be the 'copter tape of choice…available in bike friendly widths and lengths. it is acrylic adhesive polyurethane tape, 0.36mm thick, puncture and abrasion resistant. (specs here http://=http://www.vikingindustrial....pdf/8671hs.pdf)

    different sizes: http://=http://www.vikingtapes.co.uk...| Viking Tapes

    there is also 3m 480 poly ethylene tape - very thin, but designed as a comforming protection tape - with an acryllic adhesive. dont know much about that stuff…

    i've used helicopter tape on carbon components to prevent rub and it seems to adhere well.

    ok: that was an hours reading on my behalf and i thought id distill my thoughts in case it helps anyone else. if i try with any of the thin plyurethane tapes ill let you know how it goes.

    edit: just a wee bit more: from the tesa site about different adhesives…

    Exploring Adhesives Used in PSA Tapes - The tesa Technology Journal - tesa tape North America

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Good Lord, is a roll of Stans so freaking expensive to make it worth all of that^?!
    Stans is a bit of a ripoff at the price charged for how much you get. I have a lot of bikes, a lot of wheels and I ride a lot so yes it would be worth it to find something that was more economical. Maybe during that process I might even find something better and could share that with the rest of you. If I don't then well I guess I will buck up like the rest and buy the Stans. In the meantime the process of discovery and curiosity is kind of fun. Don't get me started on sealant formulas :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisF View Post
    Sorry the 8898 didn't work out for you. Where did you get yours? It doesn't seem like the sort of thing someone would counterfeit. Is the inside of the spool printed with the Scotch logo & model#? As I recall mine came in a sealed wrapper.

    If it's old I can see the glue losing adhesion. Maybe the plastic would get brittle over time.

    Mine's still doing fine. I had the tire off to check the goo before a race, and the tape looked fine. I didn't go trying to peel it up tho .
    I bought my 8898 tape last year from Amazon. I will have to look at the roll again and the logo. My 8898 certainly doesn't feel like or work like Stans. Close but not the same in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snipe View Post
    I bought my 8898 tape last year from Amazon. I will have to look at the roll again and the logo. My 8898 certainly doesn't feel like or work like Stans. Close but not the same in my opinion.
    Same experience here. The 8898 tape is noticeably thinner than Stan's. I also find that it leaves more residue when removed. I use two layers since it's thin, and that often causes the top layer to shift around when changing tires. Overall, besides expense, Stan's has been better for me.

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    Hello, if I want to set up my new 30mm ID rims with kapton tape, do I use narrower (20mm) tape, or full width tape (30mm)? Does it matter? I'll be running specialized 2bliss ready tires.

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    I'm about to tape up a set of DT BR710 rims for tubeless. I'll be using the DT rim strips, with two wraps of 2"-ish wide tape, overlapping in the middle, covering bead seat to bead seat.

    Debating between Tyvek and clear Gorilla tape.

    The DT rim strip seems stronger/stiffer then Surly's plastic ones, and is a woven fabric molded in a plastic/rubber strip...

    Thoughts?

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