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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    You're making assumptions Literally...Nope the original 2016 post doesn't appeared to have been updated and the OP was not Combfilter.

    Help me out here...
    One of us is clearly taking crazy pills...

    As far as I can tell, the original poster was indeed combfilter, and all the way at the bottom of the first post it shows:

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    I see that the original post was from 8/12/2014. I suspect you simply scrolled up to the top of page 4, where the topmost post was from 2016, and not from combfilter, and most certainly not the original post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    You're making assumptions Literally...Nope the original 2016 post doesn't appeared to have been updated and the OP was not Combfilter.

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    at the bottom of post #1 you will see where I wrote

    2/12/18: Update.
    Came back to check on thread and see if I needed to add any new entries. As of this date and doing lots of tires on different rims this is my personal observation. If you want the tape to last and peel up fine and have the best of both of those worlds, the Tyvek tape is the best. I find that it never peels up from the edge, but somehow is easy to peel off if you need to sell the rim. I find it the lightest and really the toughest. If you tape it right with this stuff you can literally just use 1 layer. I use 2 since its so light. The only sucky think about tyvek is that you have to cut it size. Which blows if you mess up while trying to cut it with a razor blade. It would be awesome if there was a way to outsource some company that could cut this down to 22mm size or whatever size you wanted.

    My 2nd choice would be kapton. It's dirt cheap and you can get it close to your size. I have found this to work on rims for 6-12months. Eventually it will peel up but most of you raw dawgs out there will be finished with a tire by then.

    3rd choice is the green poly tape. It's dirt cheap too.

    Tyvek ftw till I find something else.

    Let me know if I need to update, but for now I don't see a better tape IMO than tyvek
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    Oh geezzz....My mistake, I didn't go back far enough.

    My bad, I just added to confusion, where confusion didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    Oh geezzz....My mistake, I didn't go back far enough.

    My bad, I just added to confusion, where confusion didn't exist..
    I dont think anybody would disagree that this place can be confusing and have plenty of contradicting information... But you did seem to take a pretty aggressive stance earlier. And now you're trying to deflect as if its everyone else's fault for producing such a confusing thread? Are you having a bad day or something?

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    That's funny...

    Nope, I accept all responsibility for being a knucklehead on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    That's funny...

    Nope, I accept all responsibility for being a knucklehead on this one.
    In which case I must have misinterpreted your post. I rescind any earlier criticism. Everyone has a little derp from time to time.

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    New: Blue Tuck Tape.
    In Canada we now have a new blue type of tuck tape that may be a good substitute for tyvek tape if tyvek is not available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by combfilter View Post
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    Thanks for the thread. It's been very informative. Without it , I don't think I would have ever considered using Tyvek tape. And I've had excellent results with it. It's reasonable and it really works good.

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    Direct link on ebay for exact Tyvek tape plz..
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    Love this thread. After having bad experiences with the 3m tape on 29i carbon rims, I'm excited to try the Tyvek tape. Can someone share their best method on cutting it to a proper width? Assuming the roll is around 6" in diameter, one would have to cut 5 layers deep with a razor to get approximately the length required for 1 layer on a 29" rim (just under 8' in circumference).

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    Guys get #4289 Tesa Strapping Tape and be done with it! BTW, same as Stan's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Love this thread. After having bad experiences with the 3m tape on 29i carbon rims, I'm excited to try the Tyvek tape. Can someone share their best method on cutting it to a proper width? Assuming the roll is around 6" in diameter, one would have to cut 5 layers deep with a razor to get approximately the length required for 1 layer on a 29" rim (just under 8' in circumference).
    I haven't tried cutting the Tyvek tape yet, but with Gorrilla tape, I score a line at the correct width with my calipers and then carefully use an exacto knife to trace the line as deeply as I feel comfortable pressing. Sometimes a second pass is needed.

    Curious to learn if there's a better method though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalgorn View Post
    Curious to learn if there's a better method though.
    Find a tape that is the correct width?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    Find a tape that is the correct width?
    This seems easier said than done and also limits a person to a particular width instead of a particular tape. For instance, the inner width of my rims is 29mm, but when you take into account the channel arc length, I need a width closer to 33mm. I want the width of the tape to extend to the bottom of both flanges. Know of any tapes that are exactly 33mm in width? I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    This seems easier said than done and also limits a person to a particular width instead of a particular tape. For instance, the inner width of my rims is 29mm, but when you take into account the channel arc length, I need a width closer to 33mm. I want the width of the tape to extend to the bottom of both flanges. Know of any tapes that are exactly 33mm in width? I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by literally View Post
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    Fair enough, but isn't the point of this thread to avoid paying outrageously marked-up tape prices? The product you posted is $19 + $3 shipping for 30' of tape. That is 9x more expensive (per foot) than the Tyvek and would only be enough to tape 3 wheels with 1 layer of tape. No thanks.

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    Everyone has their opinions and preferences on tubeless tape, but I have successfully used Stan's almost exclusively with zero issues or problems on many wheel sets. I have wheels that I taped with Stan's 10 years ago that have endured many, many tire swaps and are still doing great.

    I have never tried Tyvek, but I would consider that if I didn't have to cut it to fit my rims. I have never used Gorilla Tape, but I have helped several friends remove it for a fresh tape job and it was a real pain in the a$$. Far more energy and effort than it was worth to clean up for fresh tape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Fair enough, but isn't the point of this thread to avoid paying outrageously marked-up tape prices? The product you posted is $19 + $3 shipping for 30' of tape. That is 9x more expensive (per foot) than the Tyvek and would only be enough to tape 3 wheels with 1 layer of tape. No thanks.
    hey, you asked if there were any and i showed you.

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    how i cut tape

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    Quote Originally Posted by literally View Post
    hey, you asked if there were any and i showed you.
    And I acknowledged as such when I said "fair enough". The rest of my posting was simply why I wasn't interested. I'd rather do the small amount of work required and pay 1/9th the price. So, in the most literal phrasing possible, thanks but no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhmr View Post
    Fair enough, but isn't the point of this thread to avoid paying outrageously marked-up tape prices?
    No, based on the OP's original post, I saw this thread as the OP's observations and experience with multiple types of tapes along with his notes on each. It might have morphed into what you have described though.

    Given the infusion of $ we all place into this chosen venue of mountain biking, I fail to understand how some get wrapped around the axle on spending around $20 on a roll that I can get two complete wheel sets taped (4 wheels). $5 per wheel taped that (for me) will last years and many tire swaps. Assuming I can get 3 years from a tape job (I can expect more than this), then your cost per wheel is less than $2 per year. YMMV.

    I will drop $20 without thinking about it on a brief evening with friends on a few good, hand crafted double IPA's, or gas money just to get to a good trail head to ride, or a whole lot more on tires and sealant for just one season of riding.

    I have to question what are people spending on their bikes? How does this expense compare to your overall costs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    Guys get #4289 Tesa Strapping Tape and be done with it! BTW, same as Stan's.
    Where can a person purchase a roll of Tesa 4289 in the US? Thanks.

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    Goggle it. I found too many to list
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    Goggle it. I found too many to list
    I did that...duh! I only found two single roll listings. One on Ebay that will not work for me because it's only 19mm wide. The other listing was from the UK which ends up being too costly. Everything else are cases of 72 or 96.

    That's why I was asking "Simplemind".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwapik View Post
    I did that...duh! I only found two single roll listings. One on Ebay that will not work for me because it's only 19mm wide. The other listing was from the UK which ends up being too costly. Everything else are cases of 72 or 96.

    That's why I was asking "Simplemind".
    The 18mm tape will work in most applications, as you don't need to go from bead to bead. As long as the holes are well covered, then you're good. I use 18 mm on my 28mm NOX without issues. Now, that said, I did buy a 48 mmm roll from that same (good) seller on eBay. She may still have inventory, just not listed it on eBay. Let me know what you come up with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwapik View Post
    I did that...duh! I only found two single roll listings. One on Ebay that will not work for me because it's only 19mm wide. The other listing was from the UK which ends up being too costly. Everything else are cases of 72 or 96.

    That's why I was asking "Simplemind".
    You can't get Stan's Tape in the UK?
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    ^^^^ Hmmmm...Have you already applied it?

    Report back and let us know how this works out.
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    I have and so far I'm impressed!

    I just applied tape to a spare set for the photo here as the set I'm trying it on is all setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalgorn View Post
    I haven't tried cutting the Tyvek tape yet, but with Gorrilla tape, I score a line at the correct width with my calipers and then carefully use an exacto knife to trace the line as deeply as I feel comfortable pressing. Sometimes a second pass is needed.

    Curious to learn if there's a better method though.
    There are a few tricks to make cutting Gorilla tape easier, but I've not found it necessary. Similar to duct tape, once you start to tear it length-wise the tear will stay in that same spot.

    Also, they make Gorilla tape in 1" widths and I've found that works well with most rims.

    That said, I may give Tyvek a try. Not that I've had many issues with Gorilla tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boboxx View Post
    I have and so far I'm impressed!
    I'm thinkin' that I might wanna try this stuff!

    It's a little stretchy huh? It looks like it would be easy to apply. Sticks well?
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    It has a nice thickness, stick well but leaves no residue and you can stretch it to the form of the rim profile.

    I'm not sure how the glue will handle the ammonia but time will tell.

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    I'm writing this out of ignorance because my wheels don't have spoke holes and thus don't require rim tape or rim strips. Why isn't there a rim strip that seals without the need for rim tape? Seems like a royal pain to have to tape the rim to seal the spoke holes and even then, how effective is that in preventing leaks? Why can't the rim strip seat up against the tire beads and seal the tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee View Post
    I'm writing this out of ignorance because my wheels don't have spoke holes and thus don't require rim tape or rim strips. Why isn't there a rim strip that seals without the need for rim tape? Seems like a royal pain to have to tape the rim to seal the spoke holes and even then, how effective is that in preventing leaks? Why can't the rim strip seat up against the tire beads and seal the tire?
    there are some rim strips that do just that - the bontrager tlr is the first that comes to mind. i'm guessing the taping method took off because it's lighter and cheaper for both the rim/wheel manufacturer and the customer.
    having used both i'd prefer a dedicated strip like the bonty tlr for its ease of installation and use but i've never had a taped rim leak or otherwise have any issues either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boboxx View Post
    It has a nice thickness, stick well but leaves no residue and you can stretch it to the form of the rim profile.

    I'm not sure how the glue will handle the ammonia but time will tell.
    Good find boboxx. Which tape is that again? I like the stretchy transparency of it.
    The link in your above post sent me to some cloth hockey stick tape.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noclutch View Post
    Good find boboxx. Which tape is that again? I like the stretchy transparency of it.
    The link in your above post sent me to some cloth hockey stick tape.
    https://renfrewpro.com/renfrewhomepa...?ProductID=902
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    Quote Originally Posted by boboxx View Post
    HAHAHA!! I live here in Hawaii. Not much hockey here. Though yeah, another realization that mail order is every thing here in hick down Waimea, Hawaii.

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    Quote Originally Posted by literally View Post
    there are some rim strips that do just that - the bontrager tlr is the first that comes to mind. i'm guessing the taping method took off because it's lighter and cheaper for both the rim/wheel manufacturer and the customer.
    having used both i'd prefer a dedicated strip like the bonty tlr for its ease of installation and use but i've never had a taped rim leak or otherwise have any issues either.
    Is the Bontrager rim strip only for specific Bontrager rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee View Post
    Is the Bontrager rim strip only for specific Bontrager rims?
    yes they're molded to fit the inner rim profile perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDee View Post
    Is the Bontrager rim strip only for specific Bontrager rims?
    You might want to check out Caffelatex tubeless rim strips. Rather pricey, but work really well. They are made by Effetto Mariposa who have various tubeless products.

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    Do any of the rim strips have humps for the bead to seat against like true tubeless rims have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boboxx View Post
    What is the width of this tape?

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    I just finished my first TL installation on used wtb frequency i23. Had some issues with properly installing WTB/Stans/Tesa tape due to weird profile with nipple holes and too wide tape. Then also tried Orange Seal tape. This is probably the worst tape one can imagine. Stay away from it. I actually tore it on two attempts when pulling to install it, WTF?? Then went to buy some Gorilla tape, seated the bead w/o sealant, added Cafelatex and so far so good. I don't mind the sticky residue as I will probably throw the wheels away when I buy new wheels.

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    I used the Tyvek tape on my new rear wheel on Friday, So far I have ridden 3 days, One jump/dirt park day and two days on the trails and have had absolutely no leaks at all, so in that aspect so far so good.

    Now some of the issues I kept having during installation is the tape kept tearing when I was installing it onto the rim (tears very easily). I literally had to pull the the amount of tape needed off of the roll, have someone hold one end while I applied the other end to the rim.
    After I was satisfied that the tape was on properly I did attempt to remove the tape to see how well it came off and as I peeled evenly (only about .25 inch) it off it began to tear; at that point I stopped and reapplied that small piece.

    I say that to say this, removal of the tyvek may prove very hard to do (maybe using a heat gun may make the process easier), but I don't really forsee myself having to remove it unless it fails to hold a seal. Only time will tell.

    I can definitely say Stans tape is good stuff (minus the price), I have had the same strip of Stans tape on my front wheel for about a year and a half with multiple tire changes and haven't had any issues with significant air loss. I just check before each ride and its always good to go.

    Hope this info was helpful.
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    Hopefully I'm understanding your question right, but the quick answer is probably no. But to further expound, The rim strips don't really require anything additional since they are usually thin enough to not interfere with the tire bead and rim interface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riding4life View Post
    I can definitely say Stans tape is good stuff (minus the price), I have had the same strip of Stans tape on my front wheel for about a year and a half with multiple tire changes and haven't had any issues with significant air loss. I just check before each ride and its always good to go.
    I have been a fan of Stan's for many years. I have multiple wheel sets and a few that have are more than 5 years on Stan's tape and who knows how many thousands of miles and tire swaps with complete success and no issues.

    Stan's is easy to install and easy to remove. Some enjoy whimpering about the price, but for about $11, I can get two wheel sets (4 rims) that last for years. You can do the math.

    If I could only get tires to last this long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    I have been a fan of Stan's for many years. I have multiple wheel sets and a few that have are more than 5 years on Stan's tape and who knows how many thousands of miles and tire swaps with complete success and no issues.

    Stan's is easy to install and easy to remove. Some enjoy whimpering about the price, but for about $11, I can get two wheel sets (4 rims) that last for years. You can do the math.

    If I could only get tires to last this long.

    I concur, its Good Quality. I have had to remove my stans tape from my rear wheel two occasions due to 1) having multiple spokes break on a ride and 2) getting a new rear hub; and I must say, It came off just as easily as it went on. Absolutely no complaints there!!! And I do agree again, yes the math is pretty good considering how long it will last.

    I just enjoy finding new ways and options. But I guess the old saying can apply here, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

    BUT.................

    I was one of those kids that would take radios apart, toys, remote control cars, ect and tinker with them just to see what would happen and if I could get them to work again. :-)

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    ^^^^ Speak of broken spokes and the emanate failure of the tape...

    I have a rear wheel that broke a spoke (only one spoke) and it went through the tape. I had a weekend of rides planned with friends and being lazy and not really wanting to re-tape my wheel, I just placed a small piece of packaging tape over the hole. Reinstalled the tire and it held air, so I rode. That was just over two years ago and it's still holding air. I never re-taped the wheel.
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