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    Sun Ringle - Equalizer 21 Rims

    Has anyone gotten their hands on these things and built them up?

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    INNER BEAD WIDTH:
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    SECTION HEIGHT:
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    WEIGHT:
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    I havent yet, but am currently tossing up between a custom build with these, or AC's. If I go ahead, ill let you know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the rat
    I havent yet, but am currently tossing up between a custom build with these, or AC's. If I go ahead, ill let you know...
    I'm eagerly waiting for a pair of these rims and I would like to read some feedback from somebody who used the Equalizer 21. It seems really this rim is the successor of Lime Light, isn't it?

    And what about the application of the any tubeless flap available on the market?

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    This is the email I received from Sun Ringle.

    Thanks for the email!!! EQ 21 rims should be in stock by the end of the month they will ship to are Canadian disturber Norco. Have your local shop contact them at the end of the month to early feb to get them on order for you.

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    Thank you very much Cheers! to know that. I would like to order a pair of those rims for the wheelset I have in my mind. My primary issue is that I'm in Italy, so it could take a while to arrive through standard distribution.
    Are you going to buy a pair of those ones too?

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    Curious to know if anyone has gotten their hands on some equalizer21 rims... I'm still waiting on a pair of tune hubs that have been back ordered for months, so I haven't gotten the rims yet.

    Right now it is a toss between them and notubes ZTR 347g Olympics, with it slightly favoring the Sun Ringle ones as I still use tubes.

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    Ok... 3 weeks have come and gone. Surely someone has had the chance to get their hands on some. I'm curious as to your opinion on these things and if you managed to get them on a scale to verify that indeed it came in at 350grams or less.

    Thanks.

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    Only weight I can find so far is 359g from this japanese website.

    http://www.diatechproducts.com/sunri...equalizer.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    Ok... 3 weeks have come and gone. Surely someone has had the chance to get their hands on some. I'm curious as to your opinion on these things and if you managed to get them on a scale to verify that indeed it came in at 350grams or less.

    Thanks.
    Someone in the 29er forum has built up the 29er version of the 27mm. Rims are available, but not the lightweight XC versions. There are so many "Equalizers", this is going to be a name problem....

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    Oh snap! Those would look ridiculous on my bike in gold!!!
    www.cycletofitness.com It's only a super-awesome website for a super-awesome store. Just click it. I dare you.

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    Here is an update.

    weight came in under the manufactured claimed weights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    Here is an update.

    weight came in under the manufactured claimed weights.
    Thanks for the update. Those puppies are light! But can they hold up to 5 foot to flat?

    Let us know how they build/hold up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P
    Thanks for the update. Those puppies are light! But can they hold up to 5 foot to flat?

    Let us know how they build/hold up!

    P
    These rims aren't meant for tricks/jumps/drops. They are marketed as XC race rims, and that is why I bought them. They will handle 15% inclines that are 200 feet long no problems.

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    Build em up! I wanna hear how they ride!!! Just about to order them myself...

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    Wow, it's always shocking when products come in at weight or even below. I think there is finally a good alternative to Stans rims. This is very good news. Thanks for posting these up Cheers. Might have to start trying to get a hold of some.

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    Here's the build.

    Tune King Front Hub
    Tune Kong Rear Hub with Ti Freehub
    Sapim CX-Ray
    32 spokes, 3 cross
    Sun EQ21 Rims
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    And the ride is???
    a) Astounding
    b) Incredible
    c) Orgasmic
    d) All of the above?

    Have you mounted anything to them yet? If so, is it as good as any other rim? Any feedback is welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    Here's the build.

    Tune King Front Hub
    Tune Kong Rear Hub with Ti Freehub
    Sapim CX-Ray
    32 spokes, 3 cross
    Sun EQ21 Rims
    Thank you, Cheers!

    What about the weight of your hubs? Which length did you use for your spokes? I'm going to use the same spokes, although I'll use a DT Swiss 240S hub set.

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    Whoooah...those turned out so nice! What are you putting those on? I think this demands a full shot of the bike! Hope they serve you well.

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    The Rat: They are still in the mail. USPS is taking longer than expected. I'll post an update once I get them.

    ppower: Unfortunately I have to fess up. I didn't build them up. I had a top wheel builder build them up for me. All I did was spec out the parts and he did the rest. So I'm unsure what length of spoke was used. The Tune King Front hub weighed in at 136g, the Tune Kong with Ti Free hub came in at 230g.

    Cranked: They are going on my 2007 Kona Hei Hei Supreme I'm building up.
    For Tires: I'm going to be switching between the Schwalbe 2008 Racing Ralph 2.1 and Furious Fred 2.0 with Maxxis Flyweight tubes

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    Here they are mounted up with disc rotors and tires

    Disc: Ashima ARO-08, 140mm rear, 66 grams
    Tube: Maxxis Flyweight, 88 grams
    Rear Tire: Schwalbe Furious Fred 2.0, 295 grams

    Now I just need a fork for the bike. The store shipped me the wrong fork...
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    I think thats going to be a real stunner when its built up and dialed in. I see you're sporting the new Ashima rotors, did you get a weight on the 160? Can't wait for the finish product, I would be unholy pissed about the fork mixup, but what can you do? The blue details will be a very tasteful bit of 'pop' to play against that beautiful polished frame.

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    Cranked.

    Check out this thread over at the weigth weenie forums.

    I think the claimed ashima 160 mm rotor weight was 86 grams...? They weighed 82 grams.
    Ashima Brake rotors ARO-08 160mm & 140mm

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    Yep, caught the evolving flame war a couple minutes ago. Anyway I'll be looking for your thoughts on premature disc/pad wear and overall performance in general. I can tell you relish in the details of a fine build.

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    Also keen to hear how the rotors turn out...

    a little off topic on this forum, but I hate how Nino and D8 take shots at each other, it ruins a good thread.

    Cheers! The wheels look mighty fine :-)

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    Agreed Strong Ti, its so predictable its almost comical, but not quite. Any useful info seems to be lost to bickering.

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    Got my EQ 21 rims just last week, theyre lying in my bedroom next to some shiny xtr m965 hubs. I have a question for cheers though. Did you struggle to get the tyres on? My dads bike has sun ds-2 rims and i cannot get tyres on without 2 levers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the rat
    Got my EQ 21 rims just last week, theyre lying in my bedroom next to some shiny xtr m965 hubs. I have a question for cheers though. Did you struggle to get the tyres on? My dads bike has sun ds-2 rims and i cannot get tyres on without 2 levers...
    hi the rat,

    I didn't have any difficulties installing the tires on the rims. I have only installed the schwalbe furious fred 2.0 with a light weight tube. I did it all by hand, no tire levers required. I think different models/manufacturers make their tire sidewall casing differently and that impacts the installation of tires the greatest.

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    I saw these rims a few weeks back in a race where the local distributor had built up. I am using Limelite at the moment and hence I was very interested to see these new rims.

    First impression was that they looks so small and narrow even compared to the Limelites.

    Also I am wondering if they still have the dreaded issue with the eyelets?

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    My rims are still sitting on my bedroom floor with 960 hubs, gold nipples and supercomp spokes. Damn exams. Any chance of an update on how theyre riding cheers? Ill hopefully have mine done by mid --> end of next week...

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    Digging this back up. What is the eyelet issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BQuicksilver
    Digging this back up. What is the eyelet issue?
    that was only for the sun ringle lime lights. A super light rim made from scandium enriched aluminum alloy. Sun Ringle discontinued the rim because of all the difficulties of eyelets pulling through as you were lacing the wheels.

    So far no problems with my EQ21.

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    My bike is finally done. The wheels make the bike fly!

    My 19.7 lbs Kona Hei Hei Supreme finally done...

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    I finally got mine done.
    XTR 965
    Supercomp
    EQ21 (of course!)
    DT Alloy nipples

    They weigh in at 1530 grams, hand built myself. Not super light, but I wanted something that would survive some punishment.

    Heres the complete bike:

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    Nice looking wheels!

    Any advice where to find these rims nobody seems to stock them online, also are they any less expensive than the notubes olympic rims ($90)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the rat
    I finally got mine done.
    XTR 965
    Supercomp
    EQ21 (of course!)
    DT Alloy nipples

    They weigh in at 1530 grams, hand built myself. Not super light, but I wanted something that would survive some punishment.

    Heres the complete bike:

    Post your XC Race Rigs
    Nicely done! Those are awesome tires. Albeit only for the dry... in the damn they are a bit of an eye opener to say the least

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekkamaki
    Nice looking wheels!
    Any advice where to find these rims nobody seems to stock them online, also are they any less expensive than the notubes olympic rims ($90)?
    I live in Australia, so I got mine through the local distributor called Dirtworks. In aussie dollars, theyre about 15-20 dollars cheaper than stans, per rim.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    Nicely done! Those are awesome tires. Albeit only for the dry... in the damn they are a bit of an eye opener to say the least
    Cheers, Cheers!
    Im looking forward to taking them for a proper spin, though I figure I wont even risk racing on that setup, purely for showing on a scale for the ww's! Maybe a racing ralph up front and FF on the rear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekkamaki
    Nice looking wheels!

    Any advice where to find these rims nobody seems to stock them online, also are they any less expensive than the notubes olympic rims ($90)?
    In case you're still looking for these:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=26280

    "Due In Stock 26/09/2008..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaLove
    In case you're still looking for these:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=26280

    "Due In Stock 26/09/2008..."
    Yes, I also noticed that ChainReactionCycles had added those rims in the last weeks, but they seem to be not ready yet. My order will be sent in October, so that my wheels will be assembled for the end of October.

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    Has anyone used the rim brake version?
    the ELQ21?
    What is its real weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekkamaki
    Has anyone used the rim brake version?
    the ELQ21?
    What is its real weight?


    V-brake rims

    this should help a bit. his were 399g and 402g.

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    Question.
    do you guys run these tubeless? i want to get some but want to make sure they can be used tubeless.

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    I'm interested in building up a wheel set using these rims as well. How are they holding up after all this time? And if its not too personal, whats your weight? Could be important

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    Just one question, do the Rim's have a PSI limit like stan's?

    I am currently looking at a wheel build using Mavic XC717's, but will want to run 80psi when using slicks on the road... Will the EQ21's work ok with that?

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    -I use Maxxis flyweight tubes

    -I weigh 170 lbs, cat 2/sport class XC racer

    -No idea if there is a psi limit. Would be best to email SunRingle and ask them.

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    fyi these rims have a 65 psi inflation limit. Oh well back to mavic 717 for my build!

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    I'm still hesitant to order these rims. I weigh some 185lbs, but I mostly drive recreational XC in the Netherlands (flat terrain). To be sure I will use DT SuperComp spokes with red alu nipples, but I wonder what kind of tire restrictions this rim will impose because of its tiny innerbead width. And will it there be lateral flexing?

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    The so called "flex" in a wheel is not determined by the rim, but rather the tension on the spokes that hold the rim to the hub. Tension balance between drive and non drive side and enough tension is what makes a wheel stiff. Not the rim.

    A wheel is a system. If you were to take the rim, and stand it up and try to do a push up on a it, the rim will give.

    As for tires. I think 2.25" is the max width you can run.
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    And what is the weight limit for the disk version of this rim, who knows?

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    Any more updates on this rim from actual use out in the wild?

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    About the PSI limits.

    I emailed Jon Wells over at Sun Ringle last year asking him if I could run high PSis around 85-100PSI for slicks on paved roads. His response was "Thanks for the email… there is no psi limit on this rim. It can handle the higher pressure." Just an FYI.

    Where did you hear it was a 65PSI max on these rims?

    As for updates on acutal use out in the wild. I didnt get to ride them much last year due to personal reasons.

    Heres a few pics. They are identical to Cheers! wheels besides the Black vs. Blue colors.



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    What more do you need to know? My rear wheels still run straight and true. Maybe close to 1000 kms on them between racing, and training. The front wheel I had to get the rim replaced when I flatted on a decent and the rim flat spotted before I could stop.

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    interesting thread - these rims look great, but will they hold up to my 230 lbs?

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    Just to add, I got a rear wheel laced up to Hope Pro II SS hubs with the rim brake version (ELQ21) of these rims. It's been taking a beating but have held up great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TabascoJoe
    About the PSI limits.

    I emailed Jon Wells over at Sun Ringle last year asking him if I could run high PSis around 85-100PSI for slicks on paved roads. His response was "Thanks for the email… there is no psi limit on this rim. It can handle the higher pressure." Just an FYI.

    Where did you hear it was a 65PSI max on these rims?

    As for updates on acutal use out in the wild. I didnt get to ride them much last year due to personal reasons.

    Heres a few pics. They are identical to Cheers! wheels besides the Black vs. Blue colors.


    Really nice wheels!

    Where did you get the hubs? May I ask how much did you pay for them?

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    http://www.whitemountainwheels.com/

    Ron is the owner. He was the one who built my blue tune hubs with Sing Ringle Eq 21 rims. I think at the time he sourced the hubs from http://www.alchemybicycleworks.com/

    http://www.alchemybicycleworks.com/ used to be the Tune USA distributor. From what I understand Jeremy of Alchemy Bicycle works dropped Tune for in ability to deliver orders in a timely manner. That and he just released his own set of hubs for road.

    The only three sources for Tune hubs that are easier to get are:
    http://www.fairwheelbikes.com/
    http://www.royalbicycles.com/
    http://www.starbike.com/

    I would think that http://www.starbike.com/ has the greatest availability for Tune stuff since they are out of Germany...

    Fairwheel is in arizona, and royal bicycles is out of Peurto Rico...

    if you want stupid light this was my next incarnation for a Ti bike I built up...

    Ok, looks like the forum is boring lately... 1185g Custom Tune wheels

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    So what are other people's impression of the rims after a couple year(s) of use?

    Here is my report.

    The rims perform quite well for what they are. Narrow rims which are light. However over the last 2 years of use this is what I have noticed. They seem soft and not as durable as I had originally thought.

    I dinged the front rim after 1 year of use during a race. The ding was quite bad as it had cracked the hook/bead seat. So I had the wheel rebuilt with a new EQ21 hoop.

    However this past weekend I was out on a technical fast ride. I managed to get the rear wheel caught on a fast corner with the bike leaned over quite a bit. The rear caught between two rocks and I'm guessing two rocks torqued my rear tire quite it bit as I felt the bike jump out from under me a bit. I didn't realize but after I finished the section off, my friend told me I had a huge wobble in the rear wheel.

    There is no scuff or scrape on the anodized finish of the rim. The tire shows some wear from glancing on the two rocks.

    The rear rim is ruined as there is no way to true out the wobble.

    Perhaps long term use of these rims aren't so great. The the aluminum alloy seems soft.

    I'm thinking to replace this rim, get new Sapim CXray spokes, and get the new Stan's Notubes ZTR Crest to rebuild the rear and ride out the front wheel as is.

    After using the Stan's ZTR Olympic on another build (Sapim Laser + Chris King). I'm liking the extra width of the rim idea, and also the lower bead hook to maximize tire volume. Another set of wheels I had built up with Alex XCR Pro rims, Tune hubset, and Pillar Ti spokes seem to be holding up well. I think the EQ21 rim is the softest out of the 3 rims I have personally owned and tried out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheers!
    So what are other people's impression of the rims after a couple year(s) of use?

    Here is my report.

    The rims perform quite well for what they are. Narrow rims which are light. However over the last 2 years of use this is what I have noticed. They seem soft and not as durable as I had originally thought.

    I dinged the front rim after 1 year of use during a race. The ding was quite bad as it had cracked the hook/bead seat. So I had the wheel rebuilt with a new EQ21 hoop.

    However this past weekend I was out on a technical fast ride. I managed to get the rear wheel caught on a fast corner with the bike leaned over quite a bit. The rear caught between two rocks and I'm guessing two rocks torqued my rear tire quite it bit as I felt the bike jump out from under me a bit. I didn't realize but after I finished the section off, my friend told me I had a huge wobble in the rear wheel.

    There is no scuff or scrape on the anodized finish of the rim. The tire shows some wear from glancing on the two rocks.

    The rear rim is ruined as there is no way to true out the wobble.

    Perhaps long term use of these rims aren't so great. The the aluminum alloy seems soft.

    I'm thinking to replace this rim, get new Sapim CXray spokes, and get the new Stan's Notubes ZTR Crest to rebuild the rear and ride out the front wheel as is.

    After using the Stan's ZTR Olympic on another build (Sapim Laser + Chris King). I'm liking the extra width of the rim idea, and also the lower bead hook to maximize tire volume. Another set of wheels I had built up with Alex XCR Pro rims, Tune hubset, and Pillar Ti spokes seem to be holding up well. I think the EQ21 rim is the softest out of the 3 rims I have personally owned and tried out.
    Sun rims are known for using a "soft" alloy. Some riders like it, others hate it.
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    Thanks for the write up Cheers.

    Anyone know if No-Tubes rims soft aluminum like the Sun's?

    Mavic's are probably the stiffest aluminum.

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    Thanks for the update two years later. I was about to pull the trigger on a custom build from CRC with these rim in white on red Hope Pro II hubs.

    All are in stock items because I've been waiting for the white ZTR Crest or Alpine rims to come in stock....(either white rims or red hubs are 'out of stock' whenever I want to order my build)...I think I'll be patient and wait for the white ZTR Crest rim to come in...

    I want these to go on my 2008 Rocky Mountain Element (still think its the best colour scheme for the team version)..my bike is not very light...at present 12kg...I weigh 65kg...

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    I hope with the new wheels my bike will fall to abuot 11.5kg...

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