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    Stans Crest vs Velocity Blunt SL 29er rims

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    ZTR Crest 29" - 32 Hole Black
    Weight 380g
    ISO 622 x 21
    ERD 605



    Velocity Blunt SL Rims
    Bead seat diameter: 622
    Weight: 420g
    ERD = 606


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    Had both, and the Blunt SL felt just right. The stability and cornering of the Velocity is simply unreal. I removed the stock Shimano Deore XT M-765 hubs and replaced them with DT Swiss 240S hubs and Sapim CXRay spokes and the weight of 1483g cannot be beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CupOfJava View Post
    Which one and why?

    ZTR Crest 29" - 32 Hole Black
    Weight 380g
    ISO 622 x 21
    ERD 605


    Velocity Blunt SL Rims
    Bead seat diameter: 622
    Weight: 420g
    ERD = 606
    I have the same question! I have my grubby paws on a new pair of King hubs and I'm just trying to decide on which rims to go with. Anyone have some useful feedback?

    :-)

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    One caveat of the Velocity rims is that they are quite soft. Somehow, I bent mine inwards, using a tire lever on a stubborn new tire. However, Velocity immediately sent me a new one, no questions asked.

    Don't get me wrong - I also loved my Stans Crest wheels. I put over 2400 miles on them and they never went out of true....no even ONCE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    One caveat of the Velocity rims is that they are quite soft. Somehow, I bent mine inwards, using a tire lever on a stubborn new tire. However, Velocity immediately sent me a new one, no questions asked.

    Don't get me wrong - I also loved my Stans Crest wheels. I put over 2400 miles on them and they never went out of true....no even ONCE.
    Sweet! Thanks for the info. It seems that I will probably like either one!

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    The Stans rims use a very short sidewall and a larger inner diameter to run standard bead tires tubeless. Some work well while others not so well, it's best to search the internets for recommendations.

    The Velocity rims use a Kirk Pacenti design that is a more "Tubeless Ready" friendly design. These work best with Tubeless Ready tires that have UST type beads. Speaking of Mr Pacenti he now sells his own rims that are light, welded, and eyeletted and don't have the "soft" reputation of the Velocity rims.

    CL25 700c Rim Specifications:

    * Size: 700c - ISO 622 (29er)
    * Width: 25.0mm
    * Inner bead width: 20mm
    * Section Height: 17mm
    * ERD: 607mm
    * Weight (700c):424g
    * Welded Construction

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    Damn you @Bike Whisperer, now I have another brand to throw in the mix... :-/ The TL28s also look like a good choice, and they're on sale for $59!!! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    Had both, and the Blunt SL felt just right. The stability and cornering of the Velocity is simply unreal. I removed the stock Shimano Deore XT M-765 hubs and replaced them with DT Swiss 240S hubs and Sapim CXRay spokes and the weight of 1483g cannot be beat.

    All Velocity wheelsets are now proudly Made in USA....
    How are the blunts holding up? I was looking at that exact build with 240s and cx-rays. I ride pretty much only xc and if I get any air it's 15" off a log or rock. Are you running them tubeless and if so, what tires and strip?

    I'm riding a 240/arch/dt comp setup now and was looking for that in between crest/arch build.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by imiller View Post
    How are the blunts holding up? I was looking at that exact build with 240s and cx-rays. I ride pretty much only xc and if I get any air it's 15" off a log or rock. Are you running them tubeless and if so, what tires and strip?

    I'm riding a 240/arch/dt comp setup now and was looking for that in between crest/arch build.

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    Yep, I run tubeless with NoTubes yellow strip and Kenda Slant Six DTC 2.2.....works great! The Blunt corners like its on rails, and feels very sure-footed out on the trail.
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    Zachariah, thanks for the quick reply. Now I just have to wait and convince the wife.

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    The crests are very flexy. I wouldnt consider them for any build, for any rider whos not racing. If you dont care about flexy wheels and just want the speed, you might want to consider crests. Id skip them completely and use a different rim, no matter what. Id take an arch EX over them if you insist on stans. The pacentis are a good call as well.

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    I like the width of the Blunts. Running high teens low twenties in front with 2.35 tire and no squirming. No durability problems, but I have good luck with wheels.

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    I had a set of the Velocity Blunt SL's and do not recommend them for anything more than front tire use. As stated above, they are soft. Luckily, the ERD is just 1mm off from the Pacenti TL28, so I replaced the rear rim with that and it has held up well. MUCH stiffer than the Blunt SL.

    I have no experience with an Arch, Crest, or CL-25. What I can tell you is that the TL-28 was just marginally less stiff than the Stans Flow (not Flow EX), and I mean just barely noticeable on the truing stand when building - not noticeable when riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    The crests are very flexy. I wouldnt consider them for any build, for any rider whos not racing. If you dont care about flexy wheels and just want the speed, you might want to consider crests. Id skip them completely and use a different rim, no matter what. Id take an arch EX over them if you insist on stans. The pacentis are a good call as well.
    Can you offer a suggested alternative that is relatively light? And less than $100 a pop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    The crests are very flexy. I wouldnt consider them for any build, for any rider whos not racing. If you dont care about flexy wheels and just want the speed, you might want to consider crests. Id skip them completely and use a different rim, no matter what. Id take an arch EX over them if you insist on stans. The pacentis are a good call as well.
    Curious if you built up Crests, ordered them from Stan's or elsewhere.

    I have a set of Crests that were ordered from Stan's plus hand built 355's and Flows. None of these wheel sets are what I'd classify as flexy (though I definitely watch it with the 355's since they are race wheels with DT revolution spokes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by morton.tj View Post
    Can you offer a suggested alternative that is relatively light? And less than $100 a pop?
    I have personally build wheels from Blunt SL, Flow (not the new EX), and Pacenti TL-28. I found the Blunt SL flexy and unsuitable for use as a rear wheel. YMMV because we are all different in so many ways. That said, I have been thoroughly pleased with both the Flow and Pacenti TL-28 rims. The TL-28's are lighter and have eyelets if either feature matters to you, though I believe you can still get the non-EX Flow rim at closeout pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morton.tj View Post
    Can you offer a suggested alternative that is relatively light? And less than $100 a pop?
    American Classic. Solid, but you'll pay slightly more for it. The All-Mountain 29er rim is a stout 28mm outside width. My next wheelset...
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    Quote Originally Posted by edubfromktown View Post
    Curious if you built up Crests, ordered them from Stan's or elsewhere.

    I have a set of Crests that were ordered from Stan's plus hand built 355's and Flows. None of these wheel sets are what I'd classify as flexy (though I definitely watch it with the 355's since they are race wheels with DT revolution spokes).
    Both. I had 2 factory sets from stans, one was so bad I couldnt get more than 75-80 kgf on the drive side before the spokes completely bottomed out! Had to order new spokes and redo them from scratch. At 110kgf built evenly, they were quite flexy.

    The arche ex's hardly weigh more and they're so much stiffer. Its worth the weight imo. Im not a big fan of the profile, but the arches do build up nicely, roundly, and are very acceptably stiff. They make decent wheels. I dont think crests do.

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    So, based on almost no technical knowledge and input from my LBS (read, a pretty good price on the rims) and a rider of similar ability and size, I went with Blunt SLs. I'm having them built on King hubs with DT Swiss double butted spokes by a pretty good wheel builder. I hope that I don't discover these rims are soft and flexy, but if I do, I guess it'll just be a lesson learned. I'm even getting new shoes to go with them and will be riding a Maxxis Ardent 2.25 front and a Maxxis Ikon 2.2 on the rear with some Salsa skewers.
    Now that they're ordered, I almost can't wait to take them out for a spin!!! Next week...next week.

    Thanks, everyone, for the input and advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morton.tj View Post
    So, based on almost no technical knowledge and input from my LBS (read, a pretty good price on the rims) and a rider of similar ability and size, I went with Blunt SLs. I'm having them built on King hubs with DT Swiss double butted spokes by a pretty good wheel builder. I hope that I don't discover these rims are soft and flexy, but if I do, I guess it'll just be a lesson learned. I'm even getting new shoes to go with them and will be riding a Maxxis Ardent 2.25 front and a Maxxis Ikon 2.2 on the rear with some Salsa skewers.
    Now that they're ordered, I almost can't wait to take them out for a spin!!! Next week...next week.

    Thanks, everyone, for the input and advice.
    How have the rims been working out?
    Any issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    How have the rims been working out?
    Any issues?
    So, I forgot to update... The owner of my LBS called me a day after I ordered the wheels. He made me an offer on slightly used, by slightly used, I mean ridden for perhaps 30 minutes in total, set of King/Blunt 35, DT Swiss double-butted wheels. The Maxxis Ikon tires that were part of the deal still had nipples on them. The offer was far too good to pass up, so I'm riding wheels that are a bit heavier than the Blunt SLs, but I love them. No flex, super smooth hubs and snazzy to boot!
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    velocity's are very soft. i've had a sl for 2 wks before it was caved inward in multiple areas, no idea how that happened. got a blunt same thing happened and now i'm on a 35 which is 1 week old and has a small inward dent. ive been running a 35 up front for a year and no probs. so i'm off to find some new hoops & poss look at pacenti's.

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    I emailed Velocity USA about this, and they are looking into it. I suspect the soft rims were leftover stock, from when the rims were extruded and made Down Under. Even though it says Made in USA - Velocity can still legally use imported materials, as long as final assembly(lacing, dishing, tensioning) is all done here.
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    Stans Crest vs Velocity Blunt SL 29er rims

    Stans Crest vs Velocity Blunt SL 29er rims-imageuploadedbytapatalk1374412775.251210.jpg

    I just swapped from crest to blunt SL for a rear wheel. haven't ridden with the blunts yet but I did weigh them both. I had no idea the crests were that light. it's lighter than most road rims. both rims 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morton.tj View Post
    So, I forgot to update... The owner of my LBS called me a day after I ordered the wheels. He made me an offer on slightly used, by they, I mean ridden for perhaps 30 minutes in total, set of King/Blunt 35, DT Swiss double-butted wheels. The Maxxis Ikon tires that were part of the deal still had nipples on them. The offer was far too good to pass up, so I'm riding wheels that are a bit heavier than the Blunt SLs, but I love them. No flex, super smooth hubs and snazzy to boot!
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    Blunt35's and Kings are exactly what I'm going to be building with.
    do you agree with the other posts that say they're soft? I'm not too sure what they mean by soft.
    maybe that the rim profile makes them susceptible to dents at the bead.
    Or, maybe they were just talking about the Blunt SL
    I'm not looking for a Downhill rim. Just looking for the extra width and willing to sacrifice a little weight.
    Do you notice the change in tire profile with the extra width?
    Thanks

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    soft as in the material (Al) is extremely soft. i guess it depends on riding style, but i'll never run a velocity outback ever again. the full blunt line (all 3 styles-sl, blunt, & 35) have buckled inward at the bead w/in couple months. i pick good lines most of the time and ride XC/light AM trails in SE MI. these are 29er hoops fwiw. p-35 mounted, sl just hoop & well the blunt rim got some frustration taken out on it and resides at my nearest recycling center.


    edit: trying to put pics back up that mysteriously vanished. attachment upload is acting way screwy
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
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    Blunt35's and Kings are exactly what I'm going to be building with.
    do you agree with the other posts that say they're soft? I'm not too sure what they mean by soft.
    maybe that the rim profile makes them susceptible to dents at the bead.
    Or, maybe they were just talking about the Blunt SL
    I'm not looking for a Downhill rim. Just looking for the extra width and willing to sacrifice a little weight.
    Do you notice the change in tire profile with the extra width?
    Thanks
    So, I haven't had any trouble with dents. Perhaps the fact that I ride a rigid bike means that I'm not hitting many square edges hard enough to dent my rims.
    The wide profile lets me run my tires at a slightly lower pressure and really makes for a nicer fit for the wide tires I'm running.

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    weird my pics are gone? anyhow, CS at velocity tries to tell me i run too low a psi. funny how i've never pinched flatted once on all 3, lesson learned.

    morton, what pressures w/ what tire do you run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    weird my pics are gone? anyhow, CS at velocity tries to tell me i run too low a psi. funny how i've never pinched flatted once on all 3, lesson learned.

    morton, what pressures w/ what tire do you run?
    Front: Maxis Ikon 29x2.20 - 18-20 psi
    Alternate front: Schwalbe Racing Ralph 29x2.35 - 18 psi

    Rear: Bontrager Team Issue 29.1 29x2.2 - 20 psi
    much lower and I can feel the hard knock of rim on roots or rocks.

    T.J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morton.tj View Post
    Front: Maxis Ikon 29x2.20 - 18-20 psi
    Alternate front: Schwalbe Racing Ralph 29x2.35 - 18 psi

    Rear: Bontrager Team Issue 29.1 29x2.2 - 20 psi
    much lower and I can feel the hard knock of rim on roots or rocks.

    T.J.

    i too run 18/20 to 20/22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    I emailed Velocity USA about this, and they are looking into it. I suspect the soft rims were leftover stock, from when the rims were extruded and made Down Under. Even though it says Made in USA - Velocity can still legally use imported materials, as long as final assembly(lacing, dishing, tensioning) is all done here.
    I don't know how true that is. They market their rims as being made in the USA. The rim material is a significant portion the rim...

    "What is the standard for a product to be called Made in USA without qualification?

    For a product to be called Made in USA, or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim, the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The term "United States," as referred to in the Enforcement Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.

    What does "all or virtually all" mean?

    "All or virtually all" means that all significant parts and processing that go into the product must be of U.S. origin. That is, the product should contain no ó or negligible ó foreign content.

    What substantiation is required for a Made in USA claim?

    When a manufacturer or marketer makes an unqualified claim that a product is Made in USA, it should have ó and rely on ó a "reasonable basis" to support the claim at the time it is made. This means a manufacturer or marketer needs competent and reliable evidence to back up the claim that its product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.

    What factors does the Commission consider to determine whether a product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.?

    The productís final assembly or processing must take place in the U.S. The Commission then considers other factors, including how much of the productís total manufacturing costs can be assigned to U.S. parts and processing, and how far removed any foreign content is from the finished product. In some instances, only a small portion of the total manufacturing costs are attributable to foreign processing, but that processing represents a significant amount of the productís overall processing. The same could be true for some foreign parts. In these cases, the foreign content (processing or parts) is more than negligible, and, as a result, unqualified claims are inappropriate.

    Example: A company produces propane barbecue grills at a plant in Nevada. The productís major components include the gas valve, burner and aluminum housing, each of which is made in the U.S. The grillís knobs and tubing are imported from Mexico. An unqualified Made in USA claim is not likely to be deceptive because the knobs and tubing make up a negligible portion of the productís total manufacturing costs and are insignificant parts of the final product.

    Example: A table lamp is assembled in the U.S. from American-made brass, an American-made Tiffany-style lampshade, and an imported base. The base accounts for a small percent of the total cost of making the lamp. An unqualified Made in USA claim is deceptive for two reasons: The base is not far enough removed in the manufacturing process from the finished product to be of little consequence and it is a significant part of the final product."
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    I've now been riding these Blunt 35s for a couple of years. This past spring, I got a Michelin Wild Grip'R2 (29x2.0) and loved it. I started running my rear tire pressure at 18-20 and I have managed to put a couple of small dents in my rim. None to the point that I have to replace it, but that'll have to happen soon. I'm still not quite sure what others are riding to cause creases. My point is to say that my Velocity Blunt 35s have held up very well on both front and rear.
    Any long-term feedback on the Pacentis?
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