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    which spokes?

    I'm re-building my wheels, Crest rims are too flexy for my 190lb butt, so I bought a set of lightly used Arch rims to swap in. I used straight gauge spokes the first time, I didn't want to have an expensive mis-measurement. (length was spot-on btw...).

    I'm want to use double-butted spokes, but which? I was looking at Sapim here:

    Sapim Spokes and Nipples

    I'm looking at the Race and Laser, 14/15/14 ga or 14/17/14ga.

    Laser would be a bit lighter, Race a bit cheaper (but not enough to be THE deciding factor). Which would be better a better choice, and why? other brands a significantly better choice?

    From the Sapim website:
    Only experienced wheel builders should mount up wheels with this spoke.
    I've built my current wheels, and re-laced 3 sets of kids bike wheels onto new hubs, I've got the hang of it, and very mechanically inclined, would that be enough experience to cover this warning?

    Me: 190lbs, fairly smooth rider, Western North Carolina riding - roots/rocks & long steep climbs, 1-3 foot drops. Never taco'd a wheel, even cheap ones (knock on wood.....), I don't bash my way through things.

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    I am useing Sapim Force and so far so good with my build.. they are 2.3mm/1.8mm/2mm
    I bought 14g in black.
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    I've built tons of wheels with DT Swiss Comps. They've been trouble free.
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    The Sapim Race spokes are about 100g heavier than the Laser for a qty of 64, but they build much easier because the do not wind-up as easily when bringing up the tension. The laser spokes are much more finicky and harder to true, but the shorter spokes on a 26in wheel makes them more manageable than building with them on a 29er wheel.

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    other than being more finicky to build, is there any reason I should NOT use the laser? will the thinner mid section cause problems at my weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shupack View Post
    other than being more finicky to build, is there any reason I should NOT use the laser? will the thinner mid section cause problems at my weight?
    If you are new to wheelbuilding, the Lasers might give you fits.

    As far as your weight goes, you would be fine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    If you are new to wheelbuilding, the Lasers might give you fits.

    As far as your weight goes, you would be fine...
    awesome, maybe I'll buy one wheels worth and see how it goes.

    Thanks!
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    except for this:

    http://www.sapim.be/sites/default/files/checklist.pdf

    "do not use Sapim Laser in wheels with disc brakes"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burt4x4 View Post
    I am useing Sapim Force and so far so good with my build.. they are 2.3mm/1.8mm/2mm
    I bought 14g in black.
    Hey Burt, where did you get your Sapim Force spokes?
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    Sapim Spokes and Nipples

    at the bottom, photo is wrong though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    If you are new to wheelbuilding, the Lasers might give you fits.

    As far as your weight goes, you would be fine...
    I've just built up wtb KOM's with sapim D-light spokes and can agree "wind up" can be a problem for new builders
    I do try..!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shupack View Post
    except for this:

    http://www.sapim.be/sites/default/files/checklist.pdf

    "do not use Sapim Laser in wheels with disc brakes"
    bad info.

    1. the CX Ray has the same amount of steel in the cross section, yet they recommend it for mtbs with disc brakes... for *cough* 3x the price *cough*
    2. people (including myself) have been building disc-braked mtb wheels for many years with these spokes, including for clydes, without issue.

    If it still bothers you, buy DT Swiss Revolutions, which have the same dimensions, weight, etc., but not the antiquated warning about disc brakes.
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    Re: which spokes?

    Use Sapim's aluminum nipples, and mark one side of the spoke just above the nipple. They don't wind up nearly as bad as you might think, and if you're even somewhat competent as a builder, it's absolutely no issue.

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    cool, lasers it is. Thanks for the input guys.
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    As long as you use plenty of lube when you build wheels, windup isn't a big deal.
    There's also those wrenches that hold flat spokes from spinning while you turn the nipple.
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