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    Seriously, no 29 x 2.6" Aggressive Trail Tires Available?

    With all the hype around the 2.6 tire size, I can't find any that fit my simple criteria.

    • I want a trail tire, not DH tire, so under 1000 grams.
    • Aggressive, deep, closely spaced side knobs
    • Not a Maxxis DHF- they are drifty at my preferred lean angle


    What else is there?

    • Schwalbe Hans Damph 2.6 doesn't exist yet.
    • Schwalbe Magic Mary 2.6 has spaced out knobs
    • Maxxis Assegai is the right tread, but only available in 1300 gram version
    • All the WTB options are over 1000 grams



    I'm about to just order another Magic Mary 2.35 - which measures 2.5ish, but seems crazy that I can't find anything in 2.6.

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    The 1000g limit is the problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wytemike21 View Post
    The 1000g limit is the problem...
    It just means a 1-ply tire with some sort of kevlar sidewall protection like EXO or Snakeskin.

    All the non-aggressive 2.6 tires come like this, and there are tons of aggressive 2.35 tires in that setup.

    Right now the three I listed above seem to be the options.

    2.6 DHF - too drifty for my preferred lean angle
    2.6 Magic Mary - too widely spaced knobs, and can't buy anywhere
    2.6 Hans Damph - can't buy anywhere

    nothing else.

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    Would the Bontrager XR4 meet your criteria? Comes in at about 950g, true to size, and retails for $65. I have one on an i29, and it works quite well.

    https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/e...e-tlr/p/13585/

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    Bontrager XR4 Team 29 x 2.6- $65.

    The light version of the Terrine Chunk is 969g.
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    The light and tough versions of the Terrine McFly are under or close. Listed as 2.8.

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    XR4 (as mentioned twice already) is exactly what came to mind when I read this.

    The Maxxis 2.5 Aggressor is true to size and would fit your criteria if you could over look the 0.1" difference. It's got deep tread, it's almost a completely different tire than the 2.3 Aggressor. An Aggressor 2.5 would make a wonderful trail front tire if you don't want a DHF like tread pattern.

    Other thought would be the Specialized Purgatory 2.6, but reports seem to suggest it measures small.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Aggressive and closely spaced knobs don't belong in the same sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    XR4 (as mentioned twice already) is exactly what came to mind when I read this.

    The Maxxis 2.5 Aggressor is true to size and would fit your criteria if you could over look the 0.1" difference.
    Thanks for the responses!

    I have the 2.5 Aggressor as the rear, I'm looking for a more aggressive tire for the front.

    The XR4 looks pretty close, I'd need to see it in person. It kind of likes close to the Nobby Nic 2.6, which is not quite burly enough for me. I like the Nobby Nic 2.6 as a rear just fine, but it's quite drifty as a front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almazing View Post
    Aggressive and closely spaced knobs don't belong in the same sentence.
    The Assegai looks like the perfect "Aggressive & Closely Spaced side knobbed" tire.

    It's 1350 grams though in 2-ply DH casing only vs my current Magic Mary which is 885 grams.

    That's a full pound of extra rubber I don't really need. I never flat the Magic Mary. Maybe I'll do it anyway... It looks so good.
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    Look at how close the Assegai knobs are compared to the new 2.6" Magic Mary. No idea why they spaced them so far apart, on the 2.35 they are much closer together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredlyMcShredface View Post
    Look at how close the Assegai knobs are compared to the new 2.6" Magic Mary. No idea why they spaced them so far apart, on the 2.35 they are much closer together.
    Uh, yeah. Its the same tread pattern stretched across a 2.6 instead of a 2.3. Of course the knobs are spaced wider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalkerfiveo View Post
    Uh, yeah. Its the same tread pattern stretched across a 2.6 instead of a 2.3. Of course the knobs are spaced wider.
    Exactly. Which is a dumb thing to do. They had to make new molds for this tire anyway.

    Schwalbe did the same thing with the Nobby Nic. It's not like there are more knobs touching the ground on the bigger tire when you are on the edge.

    All the reviews say the 2.6 drifts more than the 2.35 for this reason. I'm guessing they were concerned about weight, so they just spaced out the knobs. They should have kept the knob spacing and height the same.

    But the reason people buy the Magic Mary is for all out traction. I'm not trying to buy a 600 gram tire, just under 1000 if I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredlyMcShredface View Post
    I have the 2.5 Aggressor as the rear, I'm looking for a more aggressive tire for the front.
    Yep - I'm going to recommend a 2.6 Magic Mary

    It's going to be hard to get more aggressive than an Aggressor, without getting into the DHF (or look-alike) realm.

    One question - how wide of a rim? I've ran 2.5 DHF WT's on 29-32mm rim widths and love it. I could see how it could be slightly vague feeling if you're running a 2.5 DHF WT on, say, a 23-25mm internal width rim.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Unless you want to wait for the yet to be available 2.6 x 29 Continental Trail King. That would be a good option as well. It's super aggressive, great for a front tire, but doesn't have as clearly as defined 'channels' as a DHF (or Butcher, etc.)
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post

    One question - how wide of a rim? I've ran 2.5 DHF WT's on 29-32mm rim widths and love it. I could see how it could be slightly vague feeling if you're running a 2.5 DHF WT on, say, a 23-25mm internal width rim.
    I run Ibis carbon rims, they are 35mm internal. Ideally Im going for DHF or more aggressive. The problem I have with DHFs is they have good center and side knobs, but the transition area is empty, which is where I slide them.

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    Maybe you can increase your contact area with lower pressure and get away with that by using a CushCore liner.

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    If the Bontrager XR4 Team issue isn't beefy enough the SE4 version should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredlyMcShredface View Post
    Thanks for the responses!

    I have the 2.5 Aggressor as the rear, I'm looking for a more aggressive tire for the front.

    The XR4 looks pretty close, I'd need to see it in person. It kind of likes close to the Nobby Nic 2.6, which is not quite burly enough for me. I like the Nobby Nic 2.6 as a rear just fine, but it's quite drifty as a front.
    Try an XR4 in 2.6
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    You haven't really given us your trail conditions. Each tire will be exceptional in one or two types of terrain and merely OK or mediocre in others. The tires that work well in MOST conditions in my findings were High Roller IIs and Magic Marys. They also happen to be my favorite tires from each of those 2 brands. Aggressive all-rounders will have wider spacing to be able to shed some mud and be useable in most conditions, usually at the expense of rolling resistance. Tires with closely spaced knobs excel in the dry, hard-pack, and loose over hard.

    All round 'trail' tires have shorter knobs and closer spacing(think XR/SE4, Aggressor, or Nobby Nics) and are great if your trails aren't too gnarly. They also excel in most conditions but generally don't have the bite of more aggressive tires. Obviously makes a great rear tire depending on conditions.

    You bring up the Assegai, but I don't feel that's an all rounder. Aggressive, yes. But I don't imagine it's good for really loose(like sand over hard or larger loose gravel) and wet. The moment that tire hits mud, you're never gonna shed it. If you're riding is dry and/or loamy all of the time, then the Assegai would be perfect.

    Seems to me like you're looking for a tire that doesn't exist. But the Magic Mary and High Roller II are the closest tires that fit the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    Try an XR4 in 2.6
    Don't like it? No big deal. You have 30 days to return it for a credit or exchange. Yes, tires too.
    Xr4 2.6 is aggressive, big meat

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    Maybe you can increase your contact area with lower pressure and get away with that by using a CushCore liner.
    I run my front at 14-16 psi already, so I'm looking for max traction. Do you go lower than that with CushCore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2MTB View Post
    Xr4 2.6 is aggressive, big meat
    Xr4 is getting some props. I'll swing by my LBS Trek Dealer and take a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredlyMcShredface View Post
    I run Ibis carbon rims, they are 35mm internal. Ideally Im going for DHF or more aggressive. The problem I have with DHFs is they have good center and side knobs, but the transition area is empty, which is where I slide them.
    Magic Mary 2.6 sounds exactly like your tire
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Specialized butcher grid. 29 x 2.6 approximate weight 975g
    I use the 27.5 version and its a great all rounder

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    Has nobody heard of the Nobby Nic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRPABT1 View Post
    Has nobody heard of the Nobby Nic?
    I like them a lot as a rear tire. They roll extremely fast, are light, last long(mine has been on for about 400 miles and still looks close to new) and good grip in most conditions. However, their grip wet/damp roots and rocks leaves a lot to be desired. I personally would never use one as a front tire. Magic Mary front, Nobby Nic rear in Snakeskin is a great combination and I use them on my personal trail bike. I'd pick my lines carefully or try avoid super gnarly rock gardens because of the lighter casing and and potential for cut sidewalls and punctures.
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    Dark horse candidate might be a Vittoria Goma 2.4? It's a HUGE 2.4 and would really play nicely with your wide Ibis rims.

    PinkBike's review of the 2.6 Magic Mary makes it sound like a soft conditions specialist. That's why I love the DHF 2.5 so much. It's PERFECT for the mix of hard pack; loose over hard; and dry, rocky trails that are so prevalent in the Colorado, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico. But, if you get into sloppy conditions, it does just fine (an HR2 would obviously be better, but hey - mud is rare in my parts).
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    I ride in the Colorado Front range, so never in mud. I do ride wet occasionally in the high country, but it doesn't get muddy above 8500 feet, just damp.

    Trails are mainly loose rocks with some kitty litter over hard, and some good dirt too. That's why I like the Magic Mary and Hans Damph in 2.35 so much, they really grip in terrain I ride. Often you are on one small rock and some dirt at the same time, so you need consistent knob spacing so the tire won't just break free randomly.

    What I like when I lean over is a front tire that if it does break free, it does with some consistency, and will grab again before drifting too far. The DHF I find grabs well, but just breaks free too often at middle lean angles. The Magic Mary and Hans Damph 2.35 are really consistent.

    The 2.6 Magic Mary just has too much spacing between knobs, and has a random extra space on the side knobs. No idea why, when the 2.35 doesn't have it. So it's out. Check the pic. What the eff is with the space between every 4th side knob...Seriously, no 29 x 2.6" Aggressive Trail Tires Available?-max_schwalbe_magic_mary_2point8_716259.jpg

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    Sounds like your conditions are similar to mine. I've raced enduro with a 27.5x2.8 Nobby Nic on the front several times, in snakeskin casing. Whilst I now have the 2.8 Mary which has more ultimate outright grip, the Nic was probably the most predictable tyre I've ever ridden. In the front I only very rarely kill the snakeskin tyres and they are under 1000g. I have the 29x2.6 Nic on my XC/Marathon bike and it's extremely confidence inspiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedling View Post
    Specialized butcher grid. 29 x 2.6 approximate weight 975g
    Thinking of getting one of these up front on my AM HT.

    They only blow up to 61-63mm's, so they'll hopefully fit in my non boost fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredlyMcShredface View Post
    The 2.6 Magic Mary just has too much spacing between knobs, and has a random extra space on the side knobs. No idea why, when the 2.35 doesn't have it. So it's out. Check the pic. What the eff is with the space between every 4th side knob..
    Nothing random about that space, and it's just like the one on the 2.35" you supposedly have

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    I think you're looking for a tire that almost doesn't exist, except it does. DHF. Drop down to 2.5 or 2.35 and your options increase. All going wider and keeping the weight down does is thin your sidewalls...
    Wide tires have been round for decades. No one ran them because they were so heavy and didn't provide that much more grip. Now they've made them lighter (I wonder how?) and the price you pay is durability.
    Why not get creative and cut some DHFs? I tend to think they're the perfect front tire, I run them about 26-28 psi and if they slide it's because I've done something stupid. On the back, yes they're a bit squirmy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenM View Post
    Nothing random about that space, and it's just like the one on the 2.35" you supposedly have
    You are right a similar spacing is there on the 2.35, but since the knobs are much closer together on the 2.35, it doesn't jump out at you as "that's the spot where the tire will wash out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRPABT1 View Post
    Whilst I now have the 2.8 Mary which has more ultimate outright grip, the Nic was probably the most predictable tyre I've ever ridden.
    I found the Nic to be consistent too, but on the front it definitely slid more than I liked. Do you find the 2.8 Magic Mary to randomly wash out?

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    I've found the 2.4 WT DHR2 3C to be my magical unicorn in this realm of trail tire you are looking for. It's under 1000g, not so big that it becomes combersome in weight, RR or squirming, offers huge traction, and I prefer it at random lean angles to the DHF. Up front, that's where I have settled. Any larger and I feel bothered a bit with that "over tired" feeling unless just shuttling or something. HTLT for the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudguard View Post
    I think you're looking for a tire that almost doesn't exist, except it does. DHF.
    Why not get creative and cut some DHFs?.
    I've been riding my wife's Mojo 3 a bunch lately and it has a 2.6 DHF on it. It's good as long as I don't push it too hard. I'm a fast rider but I don't lean over as much like the top pros do.

    At my lean angle I'm right where there are no transition knobs between the center and side knobs on the DHF. What I would need is a glue gun to glue on a middle row of knobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredlyMcShredface View Post
    I've been riding my wife's Mojo 3 a bunch lately and it has a 2.6 DHF on it. It's good as long as I don't push it too hard. I'm a fast rider but I don't lean over as much like the top pros do.

    At my lean angle I'm right where there are no transition knobs between the center and side knobs on the DHF. What I would need is a glue gun to glue on a middle row of knobs
    THIS is the DHR2. LOL
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    NN 2.6 is a terrible front tire, not even in the same zip code as the DHF.

    The DHRII rolls a bit poorly and doesn't lean that well but it's a good front for guys that need a ton of front brake while straight up and down.

    The HD is no front tire, ever.

    The MM 2.35 is a darn good front tire and rolls shockingly well, but absolute traction in my terrain (no mud or sand) is still well behind the DHF. Even the DHF Dual is better, whereas the DHF 3c TOWERS over the MM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    NN 2.6 is a terrible front tire, not even in the same zip code as the DHF.

    The DHRII rolls a bit poorly and doesn't lean that well but it's a good front for guys that need a ton of front brake while straight up and down.

    The HD is no front tire, ever.

    The MM 2.35 is a darn good front tire and rolls shockingly well, but absolute traction in my terrain (no mud or sand) is still well behind the DHF. Even the DHF Dual is better, whereas the DHF 3c TOWERS over the MM.
    My favorite fronts list in the 2.4-ish size goes:

    1-Magic Mary Addix Soft run backwards
    2-Hans Damph
    3-Conti Trail King
    4-DHF 3C
    10- A bunch of tires I wouldn't try again (includes the NN)

    I haven't tried the X4, or the DHRII as a front. I'm looking forward to seeing the X4 in person.

    I just confirmed my Ripmo is coming this week, and need to choose my front ASAP. Likely just going to go with another MM 2.35 until some of these others come out.

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    I have had good results with the Maxxis Rekon 2.6 29er. It is light but you do give up some protection compared with a true downhill tire. Works really well in the front in loose conditions. Not sure how it does in mud but probably not its design point.

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    A bit of analysis paralysis going on...

    If you want a good selection of 29x2.6 tires wait a year. Until then there are plenty of tires to choose from with a good profile that'll work well on i35 Ibis rims. As mentioned a couple posts above, a DHRII 2.4 WT front seems to suit your needs and paired with a Griffin 2.3 rear (nice round profile and high volume) would be a great combo while coming in under your preferred weight limit.

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    I got hooked on 29x2.6 when I demo'd a Ripley LS with NN 2.6 front and rear. While I never liked NN's, I knew the size was a good compromise. The combination of traction and volume without the squirm of full plus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkchop_Power View Post
    I have had good results with the Maxxis Rekon 2.6 29er. It is light but you do give up some protection compared with a true downhill tire.
    I've currently settled on the Rekon 2.6. I'm running them front and rear on a hardtail on predominantly fast flow trails and this setup works really well.

    When I built my Chameleon, I started with a Bontrager XR4 2.6 front with XR3 2.4 rear. I liked the setup initially but then found the XR4 slow and it has a weird transition spot when rolling over the cornering knobs. Similar to my issue with the Nobby Nic and a lot like an Ardent. I couldn't get any confidence with it in the front and the rear XR3 seeped bad so I changed to the Rekon's. It was then I realized how slow the XR4 is for where and how I ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by bob-o View Post
    If you want a good selection of 29x2.6 tires wait a year.
    Truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jp716 View Post
    Would the Bontrager XR4 meet your criteria?
    So did some traveling this week and got to rent a Trek Fuel 29er with the XR4. First off that bike is damn good. Surprised really.

    The XR4 was really nice as a rear, and hooked up great on technical climbs, and rolled really well. Up front it was solid. Better than a Nobby Nic. But not in the same class as a DHF, Magic Mary, Hans Damph.

    The profile is a bit too rounded, and side knobs are low because of this. Meaning you really need to get the bike over to get them to bite.

    The search continues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShredlyMcShredface View Post
    So did some traveling this week and got to rent a Trek Fuel 29er with the XR4. First off that bike is damn good. Surprised really.

    The XR4 was really nice as a rear, and hooked up great on technical climbs, and rolled really well. Up front it was solid. Better than a Nobby Nic. But not in the same class as a DHF, Magic Mary, Hans Damph.

    The profile is a bit too rounded, and side knobs are low because of this. Meaning you really need to get the bike over to get them to bite.

    The search continues...
    That rounded profile means you can get more performance out of it on a wider rim at a lower pressure. What width rim was it on? It can take a 45 inner I'd estimate.

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    It also means that the shoulder knobs won't be engaged when you're going in a straight line, which is very important for rolling resistance.

    The xr4 is a great tire. If you need tougher, there's the se4.
    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    That rounded profile means you can get more performance out of it on a wider rim at a lower pressure. What width rim was it on? It can take a 45 inner I'd estimate.
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    In the 2.4 neighborhood the Vittoria Morsa must be included. 29er front tire HOF for me and a number of my riding buddies.

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    Rear Vittoria Morsa 29 x 2.3, is 62mm wide at wide treadblocks, mounted on Derby 35mm wide rim (outer). Front Vittoria Goma 29 x 2.4 is 65mm. Just back from Downieville/Lakes Basin, tires performed superbly, as usual. I am 6 or 7 years into Vittoria(GEAX). They always seem to outperform Maxxis DHR II (rear), but the Morsa center tread does wear down rapidly. DHF and Shorty are great front tires for me too. Advertised weight of Morsa is 960g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    It also means that the shoulder knobs won't be engaged when you're going in a straight line, which is very important for rolling resistance.
    Anyone who mentions low rolling resistance as a needed feature is automatically disqualified from this thread

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    Talk about rolling resistance. Just switched my 2.35 NobbyNics for 2.6's....
    Going to play around with the pressure the coming rides but there's a whole lot more grip in the front and drag in the rear based on the first local ride.

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