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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt

    Thoughts? Please advise if you run them. Read some good reviews coming from racing Ralph and very satisfied. Might have to give this tire a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAY55 View Post
    Thoughts? Please advise if you run them. Read some good reviews coming from racing Ralph and very satisfied. Might have to give this tire a try.
    I don't have any first-hand experience with them, but I do plan
    on using them for next year's race season. If they require more
    skill than I can muster, I'll swap them for Racing Ralphs. This was
    my first year racing cross country, and I used a RoRo/RaRa (f/r)
    setup.

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    I got a pair this morning finally. With the snakeskin they weighed 470 and 450g. I put them on Crests, the front tubeless and rear tubed. The Crests make putting many tires I've used a bit more of a challenge than on my other wheels. That in mind, these were pretty tight, but went on with no drama. I didn't have my preferred Continental tire goo on hand, so used Stans goo. I used one tiny bottle. The tubeless setup took one try to air up with a compressor. Once aired, it was leaking a fair bit from the bead, but not the sidewalls, which many of the racier tires I've used do. Normally I would wait a day before riding a new tire tubeless, but it was so nice out I couldn't resist. By the time I got to the trail a half hr later, the tire was flat. I added more goo and pumped it to about 25psi. It continued to seep a bit during the ride, but never flatted, burped or did anything odd.

    I meant to just run this tire in back with a Rocket Ron front. Figured I'd see what would happen with a pair of them on both ends and boy am I glad I did. I usually run a Rocket Ron front and Racing Ralph rear on my day to day wheels, which are the Giant wheels on my ANthem X Advanced. I have Enve tubulars with Racing Ralphs on both for races. A tough setup to top. I've had the Crests a while but usually loan them out cuz they haven't been my favorites.

    So right off the bat I could tell I was going to be pleasantly surprised. The bike felt really perky. The front was so light and quick turning, though it's only 150g lighter all in than my Giant w RoRo. Nice. The rear spun up VERY quickly, and really encouraged me to stand up and hammer out of corners, as opposed to my normal sit and chill routine.

    What surprised me to most was that I rode these with a leaking front, no baseline for pressure, and not so much as a ride around the park before hitting my regular loop. Which, by the way, I knocked several minutes from...

    I am totally stunned at how well they corner. I am a fairly good cornerer ( to make up for all of my other inadequacies ), and have until recently been pretty enamoured at how great the RoRos and Racing Ralph tubbies work at maximum velocity corner after corner. These are right there. No question. Very impressive. Totally worth the wait.

    My local loop was just groomed, thanks to SEGA-SORBA, who maintain it and just cleaned all of the leaves off the sandy trail. It was firm, and is incredibly rooty. This loop is just under 7mi and has a zillion corners. In a week it'll be covered with leaves and pinestraw again. I'll update this after I've tried in those conditions. I don't expect it to be as awesome as today.

    After 4 laps I did air them up to 35psi just to see what they did. Again, it is SUPER rooty, and 35psi is not right for that with any tire. These included. I felt like they lost a LOT on corner grip and they for sure lost a lot in rollover speed on the roots. I was tired though, so I am sure it felt worse than it was. I then did a few miles pavement and felt like I was on road tires. They reminded me of the Furious Freds on pavement, which are pretty good. But these don't feel fragile at all. So far..

    Will update more after I've played with them a bit more.
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    0sparky0, 450 and 470 for 26" or 29"? Schwalbe website says 515g for snakeskin 29x2.1....and they are usually a lot lower than actual weight

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    Ryan, those are 29 er versions. After another couple days on them I think they are still awesome. I had one of my (much faster) teammates (Scott Wagner) run them on our ride there the other day. He too was gushing. Same bike. I just handed him the whole wheelset and left the pressure at 23.5psi then attempted to keep up with him on my race wheels. They aren't great for when the ground is covered in leaves. We both tossed it in the same corner where the fast line wasn't cleaned. Happens. Is your bike a 29er Solti?

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    Great review, thank you!
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    Yep, Cannondale Flash 29er. I have rocket ron 2.25 on front and racing ralph 2.1 on the rear. Thought the Burts would be perfect for our area

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    where to buy?

    I've looked online a bit but can't find a dealer with them in stock. Any suggestions?

    Thanks in advance.

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    The usual German suspects have them
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    So what's the consensus on the best version of the Thunder Burt?

    TL - 435g
    RaceGuard - 490g
    Snakeskin - 515g

    The TL is tempting but the lack of puncture resistance might make it a liability in a race (but the weight is tempting ). The Snakeskin is only slightly heavier than the RaceGuard and appears to provide better overall protection so it would seem to be the best option when trading off weight vs. puncture / sidewall tear resistance. I also noticed that the snakeskin version seems to be completely sold out so my guess is the SS is the most popular version?

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    I have a set of both the raceguards and tl's. Been using and sharing the raceguards w my teammate quite happily. He did puncture the front with a big, sharp stick and had to walk it out. I've been trying to get it to seal. Its in the sidewall, of course, so not expecting it to work. It did reseal, but the hole is big. Will let you know. It's held air for nearly a week, but I haven't ridden on it. Ultimately I'll probably replace it with a tl and keep this as a spare to be used w a tube. Still consider them to be amazing performers.

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    Great-looking tire but I can't find the 29x2.1 Snakeskin anywhere.

    Also, I'm curious as to Raceguard vs. Snakeskin features: does the Snakeskin model have significantly thicker sidewalls AND tread or only sidewalls? In other words must one choose between just tread or just sidewall protection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Great-looking tire but I can't find the 29x2.1 Snakeskin anywhere.

    Also, I'm curious as to Raceguard vs. Snakeskin features: is the Snakeskin model have significantly thicker sidewalls AND tread or only sidewalls? In other words must one choose between just tread or just sidewall protection?
    I had the same question. It would appear from Schwalbe's website that the Raceguard has better puncture resistance than the SS version but less sidewall protection and vice versa. That's if you believe the little boxes in their pull down menu. I got tired of waiting for the SS version and picked up the Raceguard (I got a good deal on them). Won't mount them until spring time when thing dry out a bit in the NE. Use the little pull down arrows and you can check out the attributes of each version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chomxxo View Post
    Great-looking tire but I can't find the 29x2.1 Snakeskin anywhere.

    Also, I'm curious as to Raceguard vs. Snakeskin features: does the Snakeskin model have significantly thicker sidewalls AND tread or only sidewalls? In other words must one choose between just tread or just sidewall protection?
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    Thanks for the link!

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    2 of 3 TBs just arrived for 3 S-Works swap. Goodbye Renegade & Fast Trak. Name:  THUNDERBURT.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAY55 View Post
    Goodbye Renegade & Fast Trak.
    WHAT? And you're a Spesh guy...what's this world coming to?
    FWIW, I really like the S-Works Fast Track in 2.20, so I'll be interested in your take away after a few runs.
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    Anyone have issues with the non-snakeskin, TL version, holding air tubeless with some stans or does it get more sidewall weep than the snakeskin version?
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    I would think that the TL version, meaning tubeless ready, would not have sidewall weep. That's been my experience with the TL 2.2 and 2.1 Rocket Rons; haven't seen any sidewall weep since Schwalbe came out with that spec, but yes the 2009'ish Racing Ralphs used to be bad about that.

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    I bought the TL version when it first came out. I have used Swork renegades in the rear for a couple years and figured I try the Thunder Burt to see if cornered or braked better. 30 minutes into the first ride I was going up a slightly rocky hill and slit open the sidewall. I have been up this hill 100 times with Renegades and never a problem. The sidewalls are way to thin on TL version. According to the Schwalbe Rep the Raceguards only add protection on the tread area. If you want more protection on the sidewalls then you have to go with the Snakeskin. FWIW, the 30 minutes I did get to ride with the tire it seemed slightly better in hooking up going up loose hills and slightly better on the corners compared to the Renegade.

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    Yikes. I had a similar experience with the 2013 Rocket Ron 29x2.1 TL, a very similar tire in casing construction. I got an unsealable flat on a fire road downhill with little to no rocks on the entire race course. I would consider the Raceguard or better version to be mandatory for the rear tire; maybe you can get away with TL-only on the front, as I did for the rest of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeronD View Post
    I bought the TL version when it first came out. I have used Swork renegades in the rear for a couple years and figured I try the Thunder Burt to see if cornered or braked better. 30 minutes into the first ride I was going up a slightly rocky hill and slit open the sidewall. I have been up this hill 100 times with Renegades and never a problem. The sidewalls are way to thin on TL version. According to the Schwalbe Rep the Raceguards only add protection on the tread area. If you want more protection on the sidewalls then you have to go with the Snakeskin. FWIW, the 30 minutes I did get to ride with the tire it seemed slightly better in hooking up going up loose hills and slightly better on the corners compared to the Renegade.

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    With the weight if the SS, its still a huge weight loss from what i am used to. My new 1.95 sworks renegades came in at 498/501. From what I read above the SS came in way below there advertised weight. Would be nice to have a good sidewall and a lighter tire. If I dobt have the skill for the renegades I will try tue TB out.

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    Dang....might have to run this tire just cuz my name is on it LOL

    Anyone running this as a rear tire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burt4x4 View Post
    Dang....might have to run this tire just cuz my name is on it LOL

    Anyone running this as a rear tire?

    Heh, I have a friend named Bronson and that was his first set of tires

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    It's even spelt right..most of the time you see Bert....

    I am rolling on worn FastTrack tires now and Sunday I washed out the front on a local dirt trail that was slightly wet from rain the day before. So I bought a Pergatory 29x2.3 for the front this morning...the back tire I'm still rolling the FastTrack but not for much longer.
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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt

    Quote Originally Posted by Burt4x4 View Post
    It's even spelt right..most of the time you see Bert....

    I am rolling on worn FastTrack tires now and Sunday I washed out the front on a local dirt trail that was slightly wet from rain the day before. So I bought a Pergatory 29x2.3 for the front this morning...the back tire I'm still rolling the FastTrack but not for much longer.
    Is Schwalbe a European Company?
    Schwalbe is German. If you're one of those anti-LBS types you can order from German online stores that ship to the US for cheaper than retail here and they usually have more selection. As for the name, I read it was the winner from an online contest.

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    I'm not anti anything when it comes to mountain bikes, I love this sport! I was at two LBSes today :-)

    Just did a quick google and yeah looks on the high end up 80-90bucks...
    I'm not a super go fast rider nor do I race so as cool as it is prolly too much tire for me...never know tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAY55 View Post
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    Hey Jay55 ~ May I ask were you got yout TBurt tires from?...Eversence I told my buddys about this tire they are all... "Burt! You have to get it! It's got your name on it" LOL
    And all the "traction" reviews for the tread seams good to go!
    Jay55 ~ Have you got them in the dirt yet? What's yer thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burt4x4 View Post
    Hey Jay55 ~ May I ask were you got yout TBurt tires from?...Eversence I told my buddys about this tire they are all... "Burt! You have to get it! It's got your name on it" LOL
    And all the "traction" reviews for the tread seams good to go!
    Jay55 ~ Have you got them in the dirt yet? What's yer thoughts?
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    I wish they would have called it "Thunder Butt"

    They could have blamed it on German to English translation. The publicity would have been great.
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    LOL yeah I suppose Ha!
    Thanks for the link.
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    Well Eric ~ Yer link provided the best to my door price I have come accross in the last few days so F-It got me a 29x2.1 SnakeSkin THUNDER BURT
    My current FastTrack 2.0 is getten shread wear on it..by the time the TB floats on the slow boat to me I'm sure that fasttrack will be even more bald!
    Tomorrow I am hitten local single track for more "tranning" lol
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    Some new test results give Burt a high rating. The race combo in the article, Rocket Ron front, Thunder Burt rear is what I'm going with too. Except it will be RR Evo 29x2.1 front, TB Snakeskin rear.

    Detail - Schwalbe Professional Bike Tires

    I've done marathon races with the Nobby Nic front / Racing Ralph 2.25 rear as listed in the article as well and it's certainly stable and comfortable, if a little heavier.

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    NIce! That link took me too a therm chart...I could not read the words but all the therm meters were on the positive side so looks like a great rear tire....few weeks it should arrive...first out of USA purchase..is that wierd..too many beers I'm trippin...
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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt-1-thunder-burt-logo.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burt4x4 View Post
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    Nice burt, tiremaniacs got the best price.
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    Awesome! Rode today..I Need more tire in the rear so I'm looking forward to rippin the THUNDER BURT ... LOL I love saying that out loud...ok ok I know...but if it was your name you would do the same chest pounding RaaaHaa THUNDER BURT LOL
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    Thunder Burt SnakeSkin 29x2.1 is on!
    Took a ride all the way from Germany to Cali.
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    Replacing Fasttrack 2.0 (offical spare now)

    First impression...man thoes knobbys are small!
    Look towards the top of the two tire pic you can see the hight A bit better.
    Spun around the culdasac and well I need to hit some dirt to really tell!
    I pedealed as fast as I could trying to make it slip (without lifting the rear) and no slip..
    The tall knobbys on the side look like they hook well on cornering and that is when the Fasttrack would slip so..gotta hit that same trail and find out.
    Thanks again!
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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt-img-20140305-00586.jpg
    Thunder Burt rolling tread contct patch, see the sides to.

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    Purgatory on top
    TBurt below

    Just goofing around on my evening ride today...
    Went up some short 6ft dirt climbs testing traction when I crank hard up the side of the canal bank...freakin TBurt sticks gooood..even semi wet dirt..when I did get it slip it tore into the gound and spit out the dirt!
    It's fast and light...time will tell
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    Schwalbe Thunder Burt-img-20140308-00598.jpg
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    First flat for TB...found two punctures and 4goatheads..rode down to the river exploring and such....
    JUst running tubes for now...but I just picked up a pair of 949 shrader tubless valves...so I think the smaller/thiner TB would be best tubeless....the Purgatory picked up one of them too....3 patches later I went back out for another 8 miles...awesome!!
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    Oh. I want a thunder Burt 2.4.
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    Yeah the 2.1 is visablly smaller that my front 2.3. I guess that is what makes it a "fast" tire...I'll run it until it's destroyed lol
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    I've had a chance to try a couple of versions of this tyre. Very happy with the grip, but if you're thinking of Tubeless, don't bother with anything but the Snakeskin!

    I initially bought the Raceguard version as it was the only tyre in stock at the time. Sealing it was an absolute pain in the arse! Took literally days and about 200ml of sealant.

    I've had to change the rear tyre out to a Snakeskin version. This wasn't any fault of the tyre itself mind, but just the crappy Spex sealant that I had in there. The Spex separated and was not able to seal a pin hole puncture I got last Friday, but the inside of the tyre was a mess as there was a brown liquid plus a mess of super sticky residue that even made the tyre stick to itself!

    Now, that gave me the chance to purchase a SnakeSkin TLR version of the tyre.

    Wow! Compared to the "Raceguard" version, it was night and day. Tyre beads seated straight away with some soapy water, and then I deflated and added sealant through the valve. The Raceguard literally pissed sealant through the sidewalls, tread and everywhere else, but the SS version has done a little on some small spots on the bead, the nothing on the sidewall.

    So, for anyone interested in the Thunder Burts and Tubeless, don't bother with anything but the Snake Skin version!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isildur View Post
    I've had a chance to try a couple of versions of this tyre. Very happy with the grip, but if you're thinking of Tubeless, don't bother with anything but the Snakeskin!

    I initially bought the Raceguard version as it was the only tyre in stock at the time. Sealing it was an absolute pain in the arse! Took literally days and about 200ml of sealant.

    I've had to change the rear tyre out to a Snakeskin version. This wasn't any fault of the tyre itself mind, but just the crappy Spex sealant that I had in there. The Spex separated and was not able to seal a pin hole puncture I got last Friday, but the inside of the tyre was a mess as there was a brown liquid plus a mess of super sticky residue that even made the tyre stick to itself!

    Now, that gave me the chance to purchase a SnakeSkin TLR version of the tyre.

    Wow! Compared to the "Raceguard" version, it was night and day. Tyre beads seated straight away with some soapy water, and then I deflated and added sealant through the valve. The Raceguard literally pissed sealant through the sidewalls, tread and everywhere else, but the SS version has done a little on some small spots on the bead, the nothing on the sidewall.

    <b> So, for anyone interested in the Thunder Burts and Tubeless, don't bother with anything but the Snake Skin version! </b>
    I'm running TB raceguards and they sealed up with Stans no problem. Was able to seat them quickly using a floor pump and they had only a few pinholes that sealed right up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cusco View Post
    I'm running TB raceguards and they sealed up with Stans no problem. Was able to seat them quickly using a floor pump and they had only a few pinholes that sealed right up.
    Ha! Very different to my experience then I do know that rims play a fairly big part to though, so perhaps yours made it easier.

    I think also the sealant may have been an issue with the RG version. My rear tyre "totally sealed" about 4 times, only to have another pinhole appear. I think the Spex (Aussie brand) sealant wan't holding onto it's holes long term...

    Still, the SS version hasn't had any leakage on the side wall, at all! my RG definitely were like a pin-board while sealing

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    Update on my experiance with TBurtSnakeSkin still running tubes.....

    Well... 3 flats, two pinch flats and one goathead invasion (4 of them) got a good 100+ miles on the tire now. I run around 35psi but after yesterdays rock impact resulting in snakebite pinch flat....I'm going to 45psi.

    Traction on a scale from 1-5 is for me about 3. It hooks and slips...super steep with light loose dirt..forget it..slippin and walkin up. I'm no racer so could be just me as a recreational rider trying not to puke up a lung lol

    Brakeing is sliding/skiping agin about 3 nothing super

    Wear EWWWWWwww thoes little knobbys are getting jacked up, scraped away.

    This tire will not make it to next season with my riding style. I will never buy it again.

    I am excited to take my screwgun and screw this tire to the wall in my garage when I'm done tearing it up!!! Gonna make a great garage deco :-P

    THUNDER BURT (monster truck voice) yeah right!! The name is the only "cool" thing about this tire.....

    Anyway just my .02c
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    This tire is not an all rounder that is for sure. However, unlike the previous poster, I really like this tire.

    This is definitely an XC tire for trails with minimal roots and rocks.

    It performs very well in the damp and hardpack. If those are your type of trails and you need a lightweight tire, I can recommend it. If you are looking for traction in rocks and roots, look elsewhere.
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    I have crossed 100 miles according to my Garmin with the TL Thunder Burt. No Flats. Running TL with Stan's. I use them on a wheelset for a trail that is hardpack and roots with not too many rock gardens and they are fast and light.

    Just for another data point.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    This tire is not an all rounder that is for sure. However, unlike the previous poster, I really like this tire.

    This is definitely an XC tire for trails with minimal roots and rocks.

    It performs very well in the damp and hardpack. If those are your type of trails and you need a lightweight tire, I can recommend it. If you are looking for traction in rocks and roots, look elsewhere.
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    Well I got rid of my tubes!! :-)

    No more pinch flats for the Snakeskin Thunder Burt!!
    "feels" grippier too...time will tell I guess. Still need to hit some single track to test...

    Stans did a goodjob filling the punchtures/holes left behind from whatever stabbed the tire to begin with, prolly Goatheads!!
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    I have a few rides in with the TB on the rear (26x2.1"). I would not run it in the front, the risk of a washout is too great IMO. I can't put into words how fast the tire is, and how ridiculously light! The tire is SOOOOOO Supple too, the ride is exceptional.

    Mine took 3 days to seal up tubeless. The sidewalls were just weeping Stan's, the first round of air only lasted 10 minutes! 3 days of the sealant dance and they are good.

    I typically have one "spin" per ride. Either in slippery mud on a climb/descent, or on a steep climb/descent on smooth rock.

    With more miles I'll be able to prevent that (sprint going into the slippery spot, etc), but I'm not used to this tire yet, so still make the same mistake.

    On dry trails this thing is incredible. It would be a nightmare on moss or roots, even worse if there is water around. YMMV.

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